Right now, even today we have the technology to reconstruct images by just using brain activity. So as you can see what I am saying is not fantasy, part of it is reality right now and maybe in the future it will become a complete reality too.
Not everything can be explained in a few sentences. Please understand that my aim is to try to make people understand, rather than impress.
Yeah I can understand. I also don't believe in magic or miracles. I believe that every miracle done by our Gods was achieved with the help of their advanced knowledge and technology. But I also believe that a fair and thorough investigation and research should be done of the haunted houses and locations, which the scientific community is not even a little bit interested in doing.
Halo is Back
Member
I didn't say it had to be an arbitrary 3 sentences like most modern scientific hypothesis. People will listen and give you the time of day more if you can condense your points in a more digestible way. Basically, I am saying it is a valuable skill and can be a good challenge for yourself if you can pull it off for more complex ideas.
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Soodanim
Member
What about the thousands of years preceding this brand new tech?
Thing is mate, when you present that much text in an environment like this which rarely sees things that long, you have to format it well. The OP looks like a first draft thesis, when it needs to be more like an article. Stick some relevant section titles in and links to supporting evidence, and probably a tl;dr for good measure. As of now it's largely gone unread, which is a shame.
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Yeah, I totally understand your point man, but people also use lack of explanation and lack of evidence to discard a theory or thought. So don't you think it's fair to let the person make their argument or case by using all the evidence or logical explanation they may have, before judging. So that people don't argue in circles about the same thing over and over again.
Halo is Back
Member
You should open up with a hypothesis or a longer abstract. Then you begin expanding upon your theory with supporting evidence and context. You keep talking about scientific evidence but made no such links to back up your claims.
Soodanim
Member
You're probably right to a point about science not being interested in looking into haunted houses, but you have to understand why. Every single claim so far that has been put out has been found to have been false. Haunted houses, psychics, and everything else associated with the afterlife has been adequately explained by other means and so there isn't any need for science as a field to either use state or private funding on it. For most it's an open and shut case, for better or worse.
This is brand new tech for us but I dont think its anything new for our Gods. Here are some examples of things that may seem like science fiction to us but was present at the time when our Gods were present, here on Earth.
Strange liquid substance that would make their drinker immortal.
Cloaks or rings that would make someone invisible.
Flying cities.
Weapons of mass destruction and much much more.
Soodanim
Member
Without any malice or ill will I only ask one thing: prove it.
That's the long and short of any claim. If there's nothing to back the claim up, then it's dead in the water.
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Nope, not every case has been debunked. A lot of evidence is just treated as unexplained. And I don't think any extensive scientific research has been done on haunted houses, which is a shame.
Soodanim
Member
Do you have any examples?
I have detailed extensive facts and points that support my claim that our Gods were extraterrestrial visitors and that they use technology to collect souls, that is present in my ebook on Amazon, which is free right now. Feel free to check it out. I can't just copy and paste 50 pages here. I can only defend what I have written in my OT or posts here about souls and ghosts.
Here is a great YouTube channel that is full of past and current videos of ghosts and paranormal. There are simply too many to post here.
Nukes top 5
Feel free to check them out and try to debunk all of them. It blew me away when I found out that so many videos exist that show real evidence of ghosts.
nkarafo
Member
This and every other similar tale is made by men who just can't cope with the fact they will stop existing at some point. These things make people feel better about themselves.
That's why religions still exist. Humans are the only animals who are aware of their mortality and want to live forever.
Everyone so full of themselves.
Rimon-hanit
Member
I'm a ghost. no soul though.
EDIT: Hontestly not bad though got some spizonain vibes.
EDIT: Hontestly not bad though got some spizonain vibes.
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Soodanim
Member
I purposely didn't mention TV paranormal shows because I didn't want to insult you, but then you link me to YouTube channels? For a while I was willing to engage in something approaching serious, but you overplayed your hand there.
I don't get it. I don't get why people can't just accept death. It's an inevitability for everyone. Supernatural isn't needed when there's enough natural stuff in this world to be in awe of.
There is another tale in Hindu religion that talks about how humans and an army of apes destroyed an evil force. It's called Ramayana.
It tells that apes that could talk and work together like humans helped them to defeat an evil force. This tale is thousands of years old and is said to have been of the time of the start of humanity. So tell me how did the writer knew that when humans evolved there were some species of apes that could talk and work together like humans. Which we even didn't know about till recently.
And also it talks about a bridge that is thousands of years old and is still present underwater.Bridge from Ramayana
See not every tale is a work of fiction. We have found Troy, we have found Sodom. So it's time we really look into our holy books and separate the truth from the lies.
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That channel has 160+ videos related to ghosts and paranormal. Some of which are genuinely unexplained and can be considered as the true evidence of it. Check them out before claiming that it's a waste of time. I am not here to force my views or anything by winning arguments or anything like that. That channel has some videos that made me a believer. So please check them out. We can argue about it later when you have seen what I have seen.
Soodanim
Member
I don't have the time or desire to go sifting through shit for what looks like a diamond in the right light. Even if there is a diamond, you've chosen to keep it among the shit. And unless it's a source that is nothing like the rest of it, it's still going to smell like shit when I find it.
I firmly believe that people truly accept or believe something when they realize it themselves rather than someone telling them to do it. So my aim is to just provide the hints or the direction. Believe me I have watched every single video on that channel because I wanted to find the truth for myself. When you too will want the truth for yourself, you too will devote the time.
GeorgPrime
Banned
If you want to find the truth, keep searching. I am sure you too will find it eventually.
Well I am not denying. I firmly believe that it was aliens.
nkarafo
Member
I can see why people would lie to themselves in order to believe they can exist forever in some form. I also don't like the idea of death. It feels like everything is pointless. Plus, i just want to see what happens.
But i guess i'm not naive enough to believe all these "too good to be true" stories. I accept the truth even if it sucks.
QSD
Member
So yeah this is a complicated subject. I studied psychology and work in psychiatry so I'm well aware that a large % of abnormal experiences people have are just in their brain, and that human senses and memory are easily deceived. However I do think it's not very helpful to dismiss outright any weird or seemingly supernatural experiences people have. Consider that before the internet helped spread awareness of conditions like sleep paralysis, tons of people were still having those experiences, without being able to easily find an explanation for them. You could imagine a person living their entire lifetime in fear of what could happen at night, and not being able to talk about it for fear of ridicule. You want to keep at least some avenues open for people to talk about abnormal experiences without immediate judgement.
There is also an aspect of skepticism that I dislike which is what I call the "weather balloon syndrome" where someone will detail an experience, only to be met with an explanation that doesn't really cover the experience completely. I.E. "i saw a huge craft with multiple rows of lights spinning and then it suddenly zipped off into the sky" can't be explained by "weather balloon" or "swamp gas", and it's kind of insulting or dismissive to try. At least give people the benefit of the doubt that they are somewhat accurately recounting what they saw. If it was you, you would also at least like to be taken seriously.
There is also an aspect of skepticism that I dislike which is what I call the "weather balloon syndrome" where someone will detail an experience, only to be met with an explanation that doesn't really cover the experience completely. I.E. "i saw a huge craft with multiple rows of lights spinning and then it suddenly zipped off into the sky" can't be explained by "weather balloon" or "swamp gas", and it's kind of insulting or dismissive to try. At least give people the benefit of the doubt that they are somewhat accurately recounting what they saw. If it was you, you would also at least like to be taken seriously.
Soodanim
Member
I have no problem with death. I'm going to die at some point between now and 70 years from now, and that's fine. The world still turns. Some people will remember me, and billions more won't. Meaning while I'm here is defined by me, and the finality of death doesn't inform life for me. That's not to say I wouldn't want to live for 2000 years to see where things go from here, but that's fantasy.
I'm not atheist, I'm non-theist. It's a non-factor for me. None of this paranormal stuff is. Until a god pops his head in my front door and lets me know what's going on, I've been given no reason to even begin to care about the supernatural outside of intellectual curiosity. It certainly doesn't inform my day to day life.
Coolwhhip
Neophyte
That's probably just hope. Why would there be more to it? Do you think the dinosaurs went somewhere else than being fossils?
QSD
Member
People really really need hope to get them through the tough times. Why try to take it away from them? I mean, I can understand trying to oppose organized religion or other spiritual beliefs when they are harmful. But in this case I think the belief is pretty innocuous.
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Nah, I've been there. You just "fade away" like if you go to sleep.There is a floating theory that after death your consciousness lives. You "experience" all the unspeakable horror that occurs to your body for years and centuries. But you are unable to speak, move, expression emotion etc.
Have a nice sleep
QSD
Member
Yeah I understand. I work in psychiatry, and sometimes things happen or you read a clients anamnesis and it's just beyond fucked. I find that I just have to believe that some of them will get another shot at it somehow. The alternative is just too grim to contemplate.
In the future we would be able to live forever, it's not science fiction. I am just saying that maybe we are not the only species in the universe that has such advanced technology.
Every living being has a soul or consciousness but I don't they are valued enough in the eyes of our Gods to be given a new life in heaven. I mean would the Gods rather have the soul of someone like Einstein with them or a creature from nature that they can create easily in their labs.
I feel that even the scientific community is being hijacked by cult like mentality. I laugh when a religious fanatic claims that our Gods control everything that happens in our universe. And I also laugh when a well known scientist or researcher claims that there are infinite dimensions and also how we can move through time.
Maybe or maybe it's a glitch in the system. See if scientists and researchers would have given a damn then we would have some answers. But no, they ignored any and all evidence and let the crazy religious fanatics to hijack this topic.
FunkMiller
Banned
That's a bit unfair, mate. Religious people have an absolute belief in the weird stuff they believe, scientists posit theories based on what evidence they have at hand.
"There is a non-corporeal god who created us and has unlimited power over us"
is very different from:
"Inflationary theory may allow for the existence of other realities, but we don't yet have the knowledge to say whether it's true or not"
Religious people and scientists couldn't be more different in their philosophy and approach to the world.
Then why don't they give the same benefit of doubt to the paranormal. They claim to support a theory that breaks so many rules of the universe without a single evidence, yet don't even give a look to so many videos and photos and testimonies related to ghosts.
FunkMiller
Banned
Because there's no evidence of anything paranormal. There's evidence for the basis of all theoretical physics.
If a scientist were to claim to me that they had travelled through time, but failed to produce any evidence, I would ignore them. If a scientist claims the inflationary theory of the universe exists, using data showing how celestial bodies are moving away from one another constantly, based upon red shifting, I'm going to lend credence to their claims. I can see it for myself.
You can provide no demonstrable, first hand evidence of the paranormal that I am able to analyse and assess, whereas I am able to do that first hand with all scientific theory, should I choose to.
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jufonuk
not tag worthy
Yes I do. They went into motor cars and aeroplanes as fossil fuels.
Also Maybe it is hope ? but It's my own personal belief. I don't see what is wrong with that. I also believe in science as well as other possibilities. I don't see why I can't believe in both at the same time.
FunkMiller
Banned
I don't believe in god because I have anything against the guy. I don't believe in him because scientific understanding has shown me there's no need for him to exist, beyond his use as a psychological crutch.
But there is no evidence for infinite dimensions or time travel, so isn't it dishonest and unfair to ignore and discard all photos, videos and testimonies related to ghosts.
Have you seen the devices ghost hunters use today. Emp recorders, laser grids, thermal and night vision cameras and much more. But even if they catch something who is gonna treat it as evidence. Nobody. They are ghost hunters. Shouldn't such research be done by scientists? Why is there no branch of science that tries to investigate it? It's baffling.
Is there a afterlife? The most important question related to mankind, yet no scientist wants to discover it. Strange isn't it?
trikster40
Member
I just want a link to the YouTube ChanNEL OP references.
Here you go.
Nukes top 5
I am not claiming that every video posted there is real, some are clear fakes. But a lot feel genuine and can be seen as proof of the existence of ghosts.