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[Kagey K]

All it took was navigating the new job market, and getting a firm offer from a new client

Everybody should be doing it right now.

.loyalty is for dogs qnd it's easy to look for a new job while you are employed.

Shoot for the moon, worse case they say no, and you continue to make what you did yesterday.

One of those offers you the big salary, and you will have decisions to make.

I negotiated with one company for 6 weeks before getting a great offer, and my current employer outbid it.

I skipped 10 years worth of raises. Without that other offer I would have gone by for a while.

If they don't like it, you have a new higher paying job to go to.

 

[dr_octagon]

Good work.

My work are cunts, I'll probably leave soon.

 

[Jennings]

Congrats, but nobody should be fooled into thinking they're not just buying time till they can find someone to do the work for less.

 

[Kagey K]

Good work.

My work are cunts, I'll probably leave soon.

Make sure you have a great offer before you quit.

It's so much easier to look for work when you don't really give a shit.

I was throwing caution to 5he wind and applying for jobs I wasn't qualified for, then one company made a new position just for me, between what I applied for and what my experience could do.

In the end I turned them down and feel kind of bad.

 

[Kagey K]

Congrats, but nobody should be fooled into thinking they're not just buying time till they can find someone to do the work for less.

That's why anyone unhappy with thier current pay, should always be looking for the company willing to pay for thier skills.

Take the job you want instead of the one you need.

 

[Ikutachi]

 

[BadBurger]

My employer got out ahead of this after we lost a lot of people during the first and second quarter: prior to applying our annual raises they performed a "market adjustment" after they had already done one last year. So depending upon the employee, at least in our division, we got 3% - 5%. They then applied the annual raises based on a percentage of that new figure - which was like 2.5% - 3.5%, again based on employee. Small percentages but when everyone in the department was already earning six figures, well, you can imagine the math. Worked out quite well.

Now they just need to stop fucking around and hire more people. Because the workload never let up.

 

[Kagey K]

Make sure you have a great offer before you quit.

It's so much easier to look for work when you don't really give a shit.

I was throwing caution to 5he wind and applying for jobs I wasn't qualified for, then one company made a new position just for me, between what I applied for and what my experience could do.

In the end I turned them down and feel kind of bad.

I expected him to lowball me, and instead came in at slightly above what they offered me.

I was ready to walk out that day if necessary though.

 

[Kagey K]

My employer got out ahead of this after we lost a lot of people during the first and second quarter: prior to applying our annual raises they performed a "market adjustment" after they had already done one last year. So depending upon the employee, at least in our division, we got 3% - 5%. They then applied the annual raises based on a percentage of that new figure - which was like 2.5% - 3.5%, again based on employee. Small percentages but when everyone in the department was already earning six figures, well, you can imagine the math. Worked out quite well.

Now they just need to stop fucking around and higher more people. Because the workload never let up.

That's the thing, nobody can find good employees anymore, so they need the SR staff to just keep things rolling.

If you found a position willing to pay more, it sounds like they would meet or beat it.

You just have to throw yourself out there to see.

 

[nush]

All it took was navigating the new job market, and getting a firm offer from a new client

Everybody should be doing it right now.

.loyalty is for dogs qnd it's easy to look for a new job while you are employed.

Shoot for the moon, worse case they say no, and you continue to make what you did yesterday.

One of those offers you the big salary, and you will have decisions to make.

I negotiated with one company for 6 weeks before getting a great offer, and my current employer outbid it.

I skipped 10 years worth of raises. Without that other offer I would have gone by for a while.

If they don't like it, you have a new higher paying job to go to.

Now your card is marked. Keep looking and bail.

 

[Kagey K]

That's the thing, nobody can find good employees anymore, so they need the SR staff to just keep things rolling.

If you found a position willing to pay more, it sounds like they would meet or beat it.

You just have to throw yourself out there to see.

Just don't do it without backup, if they call your bluff and let you go, make sure to have somewhere to go.

I did all my interviews and testing, outside office hours. It's really not hard.

 

[Kagey K]

Now your card is marked. Keep looking and bail.

Fick them then.....

I'm going to keep advancing myself, if they get mad about it, who cares?

They aren't going to look out for me. Who else will?

It's either I do what's best for me or I bend to the will of everybody else.

 

[Coolwhhip]

Grats! I'm glad I work in a family company though, so I don't have to deal with bosses owning me and the whole promotion bs.

 

[The ninja farmer]

I am in that position. Kind of

my role ends in about 2 weeks and I have been on a short term contract since some ‘restructuring’ by the new company owners during the summer. When they let a load of good people go and went in a different ‘direction’

but now realising that their ‘way forward’ plans aren’t worth the emails they are typed on. I have been offered a new deal

the thing is, in my field I seem to be quite well respected (pleasant surprise to know me worth). As such I have some companies creating roles for me. I haven’t even gotten as far as actually applying. More they came to me and started discussions (to the point I have been having hour long conversations with company directors and have one wanting to present to me next week).

One is actually quite exciting sounding and kind of a startup and they want me as employee number 1 (could be a cool badge to wear ). But this would take me into a new field/other level and well out of my comfort zone

so after around a decade in an org and moving around roles a little. I have a big choice to make. Stay and see what happens (already explained it would take a monster pay offer to retain me and get me ‘reengaged’. ). Or take a fairly decent pay off, have a little time off & pay some bills and then set off in a new adventure.

decisions !??!

 

[V1LÆM]

been with my work almost 9 years now. quite happy with the pay but found out this week that i'm getting an 11% increase starting next month. didn't even have to do anything except say yes. they came to me. so since starting my pay has gone up 43% and it will probably go up again in 2023 since i'll have been with them 10 years and i'll even get more holidays will have a total of 41 days to take. right now i'm at 35. there is a shit load of overtime so you could make as much as you wanted. seen people doing 60-70 hour weeks. you don't need to do that much if you don't want to but if you do...

 

[HoodWinked]

What are you people's doing as your profession?

 

[Maiden Voyage]

The only problem for me is that my work keeps giving me insane raises. I want to leave but they keep giving me more and more. I'm making roughly 30% above market right now, though with inflation I'm sure that number has sunk a bit.

 

[ClanOfNone]

Everybody is starving for employees, I've lost count of the number of offers I've gotten across my bar up at work.
I'm probably gonna ride season out behind the bar one last time, and then I'll put on my big boy pants and finally get a real job.

 

[p_xavier]

I'm about 10% under market but make about 30% more in overtime and have 9 weeks off a year and pension plan with age of retirement at 51. I prefer to enjoy life now. My linkedin is open but didn't get anything remotely interesting so far.

 

[teezzy]

Just don't do it without backup, if they call your bluff and let you go, make sure to have somewhere to go.

I did all my interviews and testing, outside office hours. It's really not hard.

It's harder when you work 8am to 6pm without lunch M-F

My job is driving me nuts, and I might just leap without any notice or safety net.

 

[DarkestHour]

Yes, there is a reason many people job hop and its' simply to get more money. Don't be a sucker like me and stay at your current employer because you're comfortable unless you don't want more money.

 

[teezzy]

Who's hiring?

 

[EverydayBeast]

Sounds a little choppy, raises aren't always attractive when the job is bad, a raise today doesn't feel like a raise in the past as it automatically gets knocked out by raising meat, gas etc. prices.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Sweet Kagey!

In the mid-2000s I was making ok money. I was making $52k as a finance analyst. Didnt know what the going rate really was but it's not like I had a ton of experience or anything. I had been at that company for only about a year or so. Left the company for another where I did kind of the same thing but a touch higher. $70k. WTF? I'm getting paid $18k more (that's a 30%+ pay bump) for basically the same job. And this new job even paid a bonus. So end of the day more like +40%. Who knew.

Money is out there. Sometimes just got to ask or scope out other companies.

 

[jufonuk]

That's why anyone unhappy with thier current pay, should always be looking for the company willing to pay for thier skills.

Take the job you want instead of the one you need.

where can I find a job where I work one day a month for 150k a day ? Tell me ?

 

[G-Bus]

I never worked a job longer than 2 years when I was in my late teens to early/mid twenties.

Every new job I got I made sure I made more than the previous job.

I don't get the loyalty thing unless they matching inflation at the least + benefits.

 

[Kagey K]

where can I find a job where I work one day a month for 150k a day ? Tell me ?

If you find it you tell me, I’m willing to relocate, but even better if it’s WFH.

 

[///PATRIOT]

Grats! I'm glad I work in a family company though, so I don't have to deal with bosses owning me and the whole promotion bs.

Can I be part of your family?

 

[Celcius]

I've been with my company 8.5 years and my salary has nearly doubled since I first got here. That being said, now is a great time to shop around if you want to make more. Hopefully I get yet another raise early next year.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

I negotiated with one company for 6 weeks before getting a great offer, and my current employer outbid it.

Congratulations, if your current company is not full of brainless monkeys they will start looking for your replacement right now. Pulling this shit is something you just don't do, nobody wants to work with someone that is there only for money.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Grats! I'm glad I work in a family company though, so I don't have to deal with bosses owning me and the whole promotion bs.

Translation: I earn shit but I like my work environment and my boss brings me donuts. Yay me!

 

[AlteredForms]

OP be like:

 

[Mohonky]

I get a 25% rise at work every day, but it's only because I'm surrounded by young nurse grads.

 

[AJUMP23]

Good for you man, way to use the free market to negotiate your value.

I keep looking for VP jobs and getting turned down. But I am cool some one will bite.

 

[Classicrockfan]

Only raises I get from Walmart are physical ones from them screwing me over.

 

[Pagusas]

can we put a “mansplaining” or “punchable face” tag on this thread?

 

[Kagey K]

Good for you man, way to use the free market to negotiate your value.

I keep looking for VP jobs and getting turned down. But I am cool some one will bite.

The last time I actively looked for work was 15 years ago, and it’s a much different ball game today than it was back then.

Im sure the right one will pop up if you just keep plugging away.

can we put a “mansplaining” or “punchable face” tag on this thread?

Sorry I was just excited when I got the news, in retrospect probably didn’t need to share.

 

[Ozzy Onya A2Z]

+10 for negotiation there Kagey K . Perfect setup to be willing to walk but also stay if the terms suit you well. Congrats.

 

[Ozzy Onya A2Z]

Congratulations, if your current company is not full of brainless monkeys they will start looking for your replacement right now. Pulling this shit is something you just don't do, nobody wants to work with someone that is there only for money.

Interesting fact is the most significant pay rises and sustained ones come from changing jobs, not internal promotions. I'd say it was used to stay in a good place and increase pay; the company obviously values Kagey or they wouldn't have made an offer to keep them.

 

[Coolwhhip]

Translation: I earn shit but I like my work environment and my boss brings me donuts. Yay me!

Better not become a translator.

Can I be part of your family?

Are you a cute grill?

 

[jufonuk]

If you find it you tell me, I’m willing to relocate, but even better if it’s WFH.

I will do. But I will also apply for it.

 

[Zenaku]

I'm doing work currently that's well above my pay grade (low level technician tasked with fixing machines and keeping them running, while I'm now doing programming and setup which contractors usually charge £1500 a day for), I should be getting a new job title and a 50%+ pay raise when the new budget starts in March.

Sounds huge, but that's more to do with my current paying being so low. But I love my job and am the happiest I've been in my life.

Knowing your worth is important. Aiming for more money when you can, and especially when you deserve it, is smart. Loving your job is priceless.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Interesting fact is the most significant pay rises and sustained ones come from changing jobs, not internal promotions. I'd say it was used to stay in a good place and increase pay; the company obviously values Kagey or they wouldn't have made an offer to keep them.

That is not the point - he let management know he is there only for money, the moment someone makes a better offer and they cannot match he is gone, and since someone will always make a better offer it is a question of time of him leaving. That is true most of the time, but nobody likes to be on the receiving end. They probably matched the offer since him leaving will make a mess in his department i.e. person leaving doesn't care + person coming for replacement needs to onboard, etc.

 

[Dural]

That is not the point - he let management know he is there only for money, the moment someone makes a better offer and they cannot match he is gone, and since someone will always make a better offer it is a question of time of him leaving. That is true most of the time, but nobody likes to be on the receiving end. They probably matched the offer since him leaving will make a mess in his department i.e. person leaving doesn't care + person coming for replacement needs to onboard, etc.

This isn't necessarily true, it sounds like he had been there a long time and they know him quite well. I can tell you from experience that it's much better to give someone you know more money than bet on someone you don't know to replace them. We've been through so many shitty "replacements" in the last several years, it's not easy to get good people.

Several years ago I left the company I had been with for 15 years. The company had only been around 20 years and I was there for 15 of them and helped them build it up. It was a family owned company of ~20 employees, I was friends with the family that owned it because of the time I'd been there. I was at the point where there wasn't anywhere else I could move up in the company. I was contacted by a recruiter to manage their lab and help with quality, wasn't looking for a job at all at the time but had a LinkedIn account that the recruiter saw. I was offered 50% more than what I was currently making and it was closer to my house by about a mile. There was opportunity for advancement as well. I let the company I was with know about the offer to see if they wanted to match and all they came back with was a 10% raise. For everything I had done for them, I felt a little insulted. I left and am quite happy at the new company, I was misled about a few things but overall it's been pretty good. Funny thing is, the old company got hold of me about a year after I left and asked if I could do work for them on the side. I now go there once a week and get a little extra money on the side.

 

[TheContact]

Definitely people should keep their options open especially in this work climate. Don’t work for any less than you’re worth

 

[Kagey K]

That is not the point - he let management know he is there only for money, the moment someone makes a better offer and they cannot match he is gone, and since someone will always make a better offer it is a question of time of him leaving. That is true most of the time, but nobody likes to be on the receiving end. They probably matched the offer since him leaving will make a mess in his department i.e. person leaving doesn't care + person coming for replacement needs to onboard, etc.

They can take it however they want, I subcontract to them, and the threat of other offers will always be around.

I normally don't even consider them, but that 9ne offer was too much to refuse.

I felt they should be aware of it, and told the other company, I was going to finish the year no matter what.

By no means did I expect my current contract to extend past this year or upgrade to match.

The fact that they chose to makes me feel wanted, not alienated like you think I should be.

Perhaps you should be less cynical. I want to make money for the people I work for so I can make more money.

Why the fuck else would anyone do this?

I'm not here to make thier wallets extra fat, while I remain the same.

They saw the value I bring, or they would have let me go like others before me.

 

[Tschumi]

Sadly in some countries the new company will call your current job in the evening and gossip about your pathetic dishonorable ass lol or so I've been told when I suggested this

 

[Kagey K]

Sadly in some countries the new company will call your current job in the evening and gossip about your pathetic dishonorable ass lol or so I've been told when I suggested this

They actually proposed this question to me in my interview.

I told them my current contract was unaware I was exploring this opportunity and I would prefer if I could tell them before they called asking.

But they would all say the same thing. Personally or professionally nobody had any problems, my only grief was financial.

TBH my financial problems weren't that bad either, my house is paid, my car is paid, and I have have no short or long term debt.

The fact that I was frugal, and smart with my money, doesn't give anyone the right to suggest I deserve to make less, because I don't need as much now.

We srimped and saved to psy that mortgage off in 10 and we deserve to see the benefits of it coming out the other side.
..

 

[mekes]

Good stuff Kagey K

I think its honest and good advice that some people could always benefit from being reminded of.

I've always been self employed since a teenager so my understanding of these situations are somewhat limited. But I do get some insight from my sister who started out in a very basic role at her company. She did stay loyal for a good few years, taking on heavier workloads and usually seemed quite downbeat about her job.

After 5 or so years she enquired about a pay rise and was offered crumbs, 2-3% I believe. She handed in her notice, got a new job with much better perks, learned many new skills through her new role and has had a substantial pay rise most years in this role. A couple of which she has had to fight for, and succeeded with which I am really proud of her for, as she is a little more on the introverted side.

Its very obvious, but if you don't ask, you won't (hardly ever) get.

 

[fran.fernandez]

I change every time some company offer more. But I never stay less than one year.

I change again recently because they offer me airplane tickets every year for me and my family to travel the other side of the world (I live in japan but from South America) . Also the travel time won’t count as Holliday. (Plus more salary)