I knew all along! No plane hit the Pentagon...

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Of course it was a joke. That was rather obvious.

But the notion remains. You can get anyone to say anything.
 
I don't believe in conspiracy theories, but to shrug it all off is just as bad.

I really want to know what happened to the rest of the plane. The pentagon didn't get damaged that heavily, so seeing only small plane pieces here and there is kind of suspicious. I would think at least the wings would be intact.

And why aren't there any marks on the grass near the pentagon?

Why did the FBI seize all those surveilance videos that would've shown the plane flowing over the freeway and approaching the pentagon, and refuse to release them to the public?
 
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Exactly.

I'm not trying to ruffle feather here... Although it's too late.

I just want to talk about it because prior to even seeing that clip, the whole thing never sat right w/ me.

This was a forum the last time I checked.
 
Catzgirl said:
No one ever asks about evidence from the planes that hit the WTC. There wasn't much debris left from them either, was there? So hey, where's the swf animation for that conspiracy? Pfft, no planes hit the WTC! There's no evidence! All the footage was manufactured and all those people crying were actors! :P

Come on people :P
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No evidence...except for countless videos that captured the plane crashing into the towers broadcast on every news channel in the entire world?
 
Miburou said:
Why did the FBI seize all those surveilance videos that would've shown the plane flowing over the freeway and approaching the pentagon, and refuse to release them to the public?
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Far be it from the FBI to want to have as much footage as possible to determine the details of what happened. Why aren't they being released to the public? I don't know, perhaps it's all classified as evidence?

And if you'd like to follow that up with "Well, how come we have so much footage from New York?" That one's easy. Media center of the world, you know? There are lots of freelance cameramen with plenty of stock to burn through. It can't all be realistically confiscated, and much of it has wound up on the news because of it.


DaCocoBrova said:
Of course it was a joke. That was rather obvious.

But the notion remains. You can get anyone to say anything.
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I was speaking of the notion. Let's turn the tables. For that amount of money, would you go on TV and tell the world that you lost a relative? And you still haven't explained that even if it were a conspiracy, how the government could simply get rid of a plane-load of people.
 
The main thing that keeps me from believing in that Flash clip is my inability to see what the government would gain by crashing a plane into the Pentagon (when it was clear to all to see two planes hit the WTC towers). That was easily enough to start the ball rolling for the terrorist manhunt and the war in Iraq. Of course, some argue that even the WTC attacks were engineered as well, but again, I have to wonder to what possible goal the government would have in such a wild scenario.
 
Catzgirl said:
No one ever asks about evidence from the planes that hit the WTC. There wasn't much debris left from them either, was there? So hey, where's the swf animation for that conspiracy? Pfft, no planes hit the WTC! There's no evidence! All the footage was manufactured and all those people crying were actors! :P

Come on people :P
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Hahahahahahahaha

Hopefully I'm missing some sarcasm here.
 
The reason they had to use real planes for WTC is because you can't pull the wool over the eyes of New York but you can sure make washington believe anything you tell them. :)
 
Leon said:
No evidence...except for countless videos that captured the plane crashing into the towers broadcast on every news channel in the entire world?
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There's almost no footage of the first plane though. Just during the aftermath alot of footage captured the second plane impact.
 
xsarien said:
I was speaking of the notion. Let's turn the tables. For that amount of money, would you go on TV and tell the world that you lost a relative?
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For that amount of money, I would go on TV and kill one of my relatives.
 
Leon said:
No evidence...except for countless videos that captured the plane crashing into the towers broadcast on every news channel in the entire world?
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You obviously missed this part of my post: All the footage was manufactured and all those people crying were actors! :P

:)
 
I was speaking of the notion. Let's turn the tables. For that amount of money, would you go on TV and tell the world that you lost a relative? And you still haven't explained that even if it were a conspiracy, how the government could simply get rid of a plane-load of people.
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Hell Yes! That's the answer to your first question.

As for the plane load of people? I haven't seen anything even confirming a plane load of people. I don't track daily domestic flights and those aboard them.
 
DaCocoBrova said:
Hell Yes! That's the answer to your first question.

As for the plane load of people? I haven't seen anything even confirming a plane load of people. I don't track daily domestic flights and those aboard them.
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I can't tell if you're just being daft, or are floating shit just for the sake of it. There were actual human beings aboard that plane, they are no longer alive; they had funerals; their bodies were recovered (those that were recoverable, anyway) from the crash site.

Oddly enough - and you may want to sit down for this - they were all scheduled to be on that flight that day. Turn off the God damned X-Files and use some logic.
 
"If it wasn't a plane, or even the plane they said it was, tell me where the passengers and said plane are right now."

Add to that, that no one has any reason to assume that, based on what they saw, a plane didn't hit the Pentagon when they don't know what a plane of that size crashing into the Pentagon, at that speed and, with a large amount of fuel on board is supposed to look like to begin with.


"I always thought that crash site looked suspicious. Where the heck is the plane?

Why was there no footage?"

There wasn't much wreckage at the site of Flight 93 either (IIRC). Not much footage either.
 
DCB, dude, don't argue this crap for the sake of arguing it. A plane hit the Pentagon. There's no conspiracy. These aren't the droids you're looking for.
 
So why have the 'victims' exclusive to WTC and to a much much lesser extent, PA?

There's been little to no coverage of the Pentagon fatalities in the media.

Can we at least agree w/ that?

How many people were on that flight?

Was there a black box?

DCB, dude, don't argue this crap for the sake of arguing it. A plane hit the Pentagon. There's no conspiracy. These aren't the droids you're looking for.
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It's quite alright to question things from time to time. Why doing so riles people up, I'll never know.
 
DJ Demon J said:
The main thing that keeps me from believing in that Flash clip is my inability to see what the government would gain by crashing a plane into the Pentagon (when it was clear to all to see two planes hit the WTC towers). That was easily enough to start the ball rolling for the terrorist manhunt and the war in Iraq. Of course, some argue that even the WTC attacks were engineered as well, but again, I have to wonder to what possible goal the government would have in such a wild scenario.
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Well if I were going to buy that it was not flight 77 that hit the pentagon, that wouldn't necessarily lead me to believe that the government planned the pentagon destruction (and certainly not all of 9-11). It simply could have been a highjacker in a smaller craft. One does not have to jump from one to the other. And certainly they wouldn't have needed the pentagon as a tipping point in what ever other personal millitary wet dreams they had (Iraq), the WTC incident would have been enough.

I don't believe the government planned this, I do believe they ruthlessly grassped the situation at hand to propel other long planned agendas they had. It was opportunistic, not conspiritorial.
 
So why are the 'victims' exclusive to WTC. There's been little to no coverage of the Pentagon fatalities in the media.
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Probably because nearly 3000 people died in the WTC, as opposed to a little over 100 in the Pentagon, and the fact that the collapse of the world's tallest building made much better footage than the partial collapse of the Pentagon.

All of this is, of course, painfully obvious.
 
I'm missing something here. I thought the video suggested that something other then a plane hit the Pentagon, not the the Pentagon wasn't attacked. Personally, I think the plane probably did hit the Pentagon, but that doesn't mean that the events aren't a bit suspicous, and where there's doubt, there's speculation. What if it was a missle and not a plane? That would open up a whole buttload of questions,wouldn't it? Who fired it? From where? How'd they get it? How'd they get it within range of the Pentagon without our intelligence knowing about it? And where'd that plane go?

Maybe the goverment shot down the missing plane, wasn't it supposed to be heading to the White House and spontaneously took a detour to the Pentagon? Seems a little bit of a reach to assume that a bunch of unqualified pilots could make some navigational adjustments on the fly like that. It's not that hard to think up a scenario where the gov't found itself in a position where it needed to explain both a missing jet full of people and an explosion at the Pentagon simultaneously.
 
I don't understand why some people get upset about topics like this. Seriously, some of you debunking this (or posting lame-ass jokes) are just as annoying as the conspiracy theorists. Some of us here though have legitimate questions, and it would do everyone a big service for those capable of answering them to do so in a civilized manner.
 
I don't understand why some people get upset about topics like this.
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No one's really upset, it's just a fucking retarded argument. It's like trying to convince someone the sky is blue. If someone's stupid enough to argue against that, it just kinda diminishes one's faith in humanity.
 
DaCocoBrova said:
So why are the 'victims' exclusive to WTC. There's been little to no coverage of the Pentagon fatalities in the media.

Can we at least agree w/ that?

How many people were on that flight?

Was there a black box?



It's quite alright to question things from time to time. Why doing so riles people up, I'll never know.
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1) The WTC attack gets all of the attention because it had 10x the amount of casualties. It was the epicenter, the largest of the three targets.

2) http://www.dod.mil/news/Sep2002/n09122002_200209123.html

3) It's all right to question certain things, yes, but you may as well be asking if Kennedy was really assassinated. Despite what you're told in school, there are such things as stupid questions. "Did a plane really hit the Pentagon?" is one of them.
 
All I took away from that clip was that there was no way a 7 seried aircraft hit the Pentagon, judging by the destruction/debris or lack thereof.


A plane would leave more than just a hole, and it wouldn't penatrate layers A - E either.

That's also some percision flying to leave the ground (grass at that!) unscathed...

Despite what you're told in school, there are such things as stupid questions. "Did a plane really hit the Pentagon?" is one of them.
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To you, because you obviously witnessed it all... :rolleyes.
 
DaCocoBrova said:
All I took away from that clip was that there was no way a 7 seried aircraft hit the Pentagon, judging by the destruction/debris or lack thereof.
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I didn't realize you majored in architecture and aeronautics.
 
Nintendo Ate My Children said:
No one's really upset, it's just a fucking retarded argument. It's like trying to convince someone the sky is blue. If someone's stupid enough to argue against that, it just kinda diminishes one's faith in humanity.
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So you're equating someone asking why there are no marks on the grass, no traffic accidents while the plane flew dangerously low over the freeway, etc. with someone asking if the sky is blue? Well, that's the kind of attitude I was talking about.
 
I don't think anyone's really upset, other than that vague anger you get when arguing with someone who purposely refuses to see other sides of the coin.


And I just finished watching the vid - they should rename the thing 9/11: The Second Renaissance. I'm eagerly awaiting the movies - 9/11 Reloaded and 9/11 Revolutions.
 
That's also some percision flying to leave the ground (grass at that!) unscathed.
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I was never aware airplanes scalded the ground as they flew over. The things you learn on an internet message board.

To you, because you obviously witnessed it all... :rolleyes.
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This guy was one of the many who did, though:

"I was sitting in the northbound on 27 and the traffic was, you know, typical rush-hour -- it had ground to a standstill. I looked out my window and I saw this plane, this jet, an American Airlines jet, coming. And I thought, 'This doesn't add up, it's really low.'

"And I saw it. I mean it was like a cruise missile with wings. It went right there and slammed right into the Pentagon. - Mike Walker, USA Today
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He's obviously lying, of course.
 
Nintendo Ate My Children said:
No one's really upset, it's just a fucking retarded argument. It's like trying to convince someone the sky is blue. If someone's stupid enough to argue against that, it just kinda diminishes one's faith in humanity.
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Damn, I guess we should all wish that the colonists didn't get together and argued the "fucking retarded arguments" that the British shouldn't rule over the colony anymore...


Oh wait, NO, WE SHOULDN'T.
 
I hope some of you seriously don't buy this. The Pentagon was hit by flight 77, a 757 air bus.

If the jet was going at 503 mph it hit at almost max velocity and penetrated a structure that was designed to withstand nuclear blasts. Pieces of the air plane were found all over the place. The rest of it burned off.

I hate these stupid conspiracies...what a joke. Don't be so fucking gulible. My question to the believers of this bullshit is where is flight 77? Did it go through some fucking time slip?

And when people talk about 9/11 it just isn't about the WTC. Everyone mentions WTC, Pennsylvania and the Pentagon. 9/11 will not be forgotten, and to think some idiot would come up with this conspiracy bullshit? Get a fucking life.
 
There are only 2-3 people that have posted in here that are close minded enough to not even entertain the thought of something other than a plane hitting the Pentagon.

So there's no clear, cut and dry answer to these questions. The Government is withholding information in reference to the Pentagon attack.

We all have a right to believe what we want to.

My purpose for even posting this here was to have someone debunk the whole thing convincingly. That hasn't happened.

If anything, it shows that a lot of people have a lot of questions about the whole thing, and I blame the Government for that.

But let's remove emotion from the equation and try to remain objective. k?
 
Well Coco, when you post a topic that says "I knew all along! No plane hit the Pentagon!" You're going to draw some unwanted attention. Maybe if you had presented the conspiracy theory as just that, a theory, it would be taken and debated more seriously.
 
DJ Demon J said:
Damn, I guess we should all wish that the colonists didn't get together and argued the "fucking retarded arguments" that the British shouldn't rule over the colony anymore...


Oh wait, NO, WE SHOULDN'T.
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Actually that was all a conspiracy. This country and even yourself, don't exist..
 
Wherever there is smoke there is fire too. I know that in USA it's "uncool" to even talk about conspiracy theories, but why don't you look into something before you reject it?
 
HAOHMARU said:
If the jet was going at 503 mph it hit at almost max velocity and penetrated a structure that was designed to withstand nuclear blasts. Pieces of the air plane were found all over the place. The rest of it burned off.
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Well, considering the incredible force of an atomic blast, they failed miserably if a jet could pentrate several layers of one wedge of the Pentagon.

From http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2000/MuhammadKaleem.shtml :

"Nuclear explosive devices can have a wide variety of yields. Some older bombs had yields of about 20 megatons, or 1540 Hiroshima bombs. A megaton is the amount of energy released by 1 million short tons (907,000 metric tons) of TNT. Today most nuclear devices have yields of less than 1 megaton."

"'Castle/Bravo' was the largest nuclear weapon ever detonated by the United States. Before it was set off at Bikini on February 28, 1954, it was expected to explode with an energy equivalent of about 8 million tons of TNT. Actually, it produced almost twice that explosive power -- equivalent to 15 million tons of TNT."

Now, just for the sake of argument, let's say that this super A-bomb didn't go off near the Pentagon, but rather, an A-bomb the size of the original two that hit Japan:

"By today's standards the two bombs dropped on a Japan were small -- equivalent to 15,000 tons of TNT in the case of the Hiroshima bomb and 20,000 tons in the case of the Nagasaki bomb."

Now, I'm not a math/physics expert, but it seems to me that a jet plane crash wouldn't generate as much energy as an atomic bomb blast, let alone a plane that apparently "bounced" and "dissipated much of its energy that could have hit the Pentagon" before hitting the Pentagon. And this plane was capable of doing that much structural damage? An atomic bomb of any size would level the Pentagon if that's the case. So much for that theory, HAOHMARU.
 
Warm Machine said:
A video of the impact just like the 500 or so that were captured of the WTC buildings would help seal the deal.

Interesting theory none the less.
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I'm waiting for the day people try to claim the video footage of the plane hitting the WTC is a fake too. Hell the government paid the networks $900,000,000,000,000 to air the fake airplane hitting the tower footage. Then they paid the people of NY off to all run around scared and stuff to add to the drama. In fact the towers were probably just taken down by a local demolition crew cause they need the real estate to put up some new fancy buildings instead. Actually I haven't been to New York since 9/11...who's to say the buildings still aren't there! You have to dig and do your own fact finding -- I won't buy the official government line!

I mean seriously, where do the conspiracy theories end anyway?
 
Yeah I doubt the pentagon was designed to withstand nuclear blasts. It has windows FFS. Now whatever bunker that is likely several hundred feet under the pentagon is another story alltogether.

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Tool said:
I'm waiting for the day people try to claim the video footage of the plane hitting the WTC is a fake too. Hell the government paid the networks $900,000,000,000,000 to air the fake airplane hitting the tower footage. Then they paid the people of NY off to all run around scared and stuff to add to the drama. In fact the towers were probably just taken down by a local demolition crew cause they need the real estate to put up some new fancy buildings instead. Actually I haven't been to New York since 9/11...who's to say the buildings still aren't there! You have to dig and do your own fact finding -- I won't buy the official government line!

I mean seriously, where do the conspiracy theories end anyway?
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Jesus, how many times do we have to repeat that not everyone is barreling fullspead down some "slippery slope"? One question does not necessarily lead to the other. Sure maybe someone will run around and claim that the WTC footage was CG. They would be stupid, but unsurprising, and that would still have nothing to do with most of the people in this thread, some of whom are trying to argue legitiment doubts.
 
We'll probably find out in 10 years, when its too late and nobody cares anyway. I'm not going to comment on this, but for people who question what possible benefit the gvt would have for having the pentagon hit.. please. Wake up.

Again, not commenting on this theory.
 
xsarien said:
If you'd like to know why the Pentagon didn't suffer any MAJOR damage from an impact like that, you don't have to look any further than the elementary fact that the place is built like a fort, literally. It's all reinforced steel and concrete. The WTC towers were pieces of cardboard, relatively speaking.
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not only that, but a few months before the plane hit, the Pentagon had undergone reconstruction of its outer walls/windows with much stronger reinforcement.
 
Slurpy said:
We'll probably find out in 10 years, when its too late and nobody cares anyway.
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10 years? Please, tell that to the people still waiting for the reports about JFK's assassination... which would include me.
 
Slurpy said:
We'll probably find out in 10 years, when its too late and nobody cares anyway. I'm not going to comment on this, but for people who question what possible benefit the gvt would have for having the pentagon hit.. please. Wake up.

Again, not commenting on this theory.
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You know, I'm about as much a fan of this administration as a lobster is of drawn butter in a cup, and even I think that suggesting that they deliberately let 9/11 happen is beyond reprehensible. Let certain people off the hook after the fact? Sure; were too myopic in their world view to see it forming? Quite possibly, the cabinet's filled with Cold War relics. But that it was a deliberate action (or inaction) that led to 3000 and change dying? You're going to need to back that up with something on the scale of Nixon's Oval Office recordings.
 
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