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Yes.
The sad part is : SotTR is actually a pretty good game exploration wise. It's actually the most "Tomb Raider" of the whole "survivor" trilogy and i liked the game for that.
....But the story is still awful and Lara is still not Lara but a cringy teenage woman with daddy issues.

The storyline in these games is just ridiculous; I find it hard to believe that adult writers are getting paid for such a ludicrous plot. Nothing makes sense. And if Lara is a terrible character, her companion Jonah makes you want to kill him... I hated the moment when Lara emerges from a dark cave, lost on a mountain, after enduring a thousand hardships, covered in blood and mud, and out of nowhere Jonah appears and says, "Hi Lara, how's it going?" They treat us like idiots.

 

[Rush2112]

People who actually liked the reboots probably also bought all the shitty horizon games.

 

[StueyDuck]

I've been replaying the old games from the first remaster that came out this year. Damn i miss THIS character, you know...when she used to be Lara Croft

From the beginning of the first game you knew this was a badass woman in every way who knew what she was doing. The way she was presented to us on that hotel. Her smile at the end knowing some good adventure was coming. Her sarcastic one liners. The first cut scene "on the job" opening that door in Peru, cutting that rope and killing everything in sight (even though...she could just stop holding the rope but who cares...it looked cool):



Being a badass without saying a word, whole the most memorable soundtrack song from the first game kicks in (even though this was Tomb Raider 2):



Being the smartest one in every room. The delivery for that "we'll see" at the end...can you imagine current Lara doing that delivery in a convincing way?



"A commendable work ethic i guess"
"Happy retirement"



Fuck, i can't wait for the next 3 remasters.

Also...it's a miracle what they did with these last 2 cutscenes and all the remastered cut scenes when you compare them to the originals. Great work all around. (the CGI cut scenes remain unnaltered, but still aged well besides the ones from the first game tbh)

I'm sorry, I spoke to a modern person, a modern audience member if you will, in a mental institution and they said that Lara was "of the time" and I now have it on legitimate authority after the subject ate their own faeces and dry-humped a cactus plant that Lara was indeed an offensive character.

So old Lara must die, not just erased but done so with mockery and humiliation.

And if you don't like it, then i guess your racist... or homophobic... or ummm I'm not sure I'll ask the patient and get back to you on what to label those who stray from the narrative.

 

[DirtyBast8rd]

I don't give a shit what the modern audience lovers call me. Fuck them and their shitty games and stories.

 

[Rivdoric]

People who actually liked the reboots probably also bought all the shitty horizon games.

The first Horizon is actually quite good.
That's the second one which went haywire and destroyed everything the first one set up. They entirely forgot the whole plot and replaced it with their crazy ass patriarchy delirium that is just there for the sake of making toxic politics.

 

[scoobidoo112]

Yes.
The sad part is : SotTR is actually a pretty good game exploration wise. It's actually the most "Tomb Raider" of the whole "survivor" trilogy and i liked the game for that.
....But the story is still awful and Lara is still not Lara but a cringy teenage woman with daddy issues.

It also still suffers from the same problem that Rise had, which is a lack of combat, or at least a mismatch between the weapons/inventory/crafting and the actual gameplay.

All three games were built around the combat loop / system from the reboot, but after the many complaints that there were way too many waves of combat in the first one, they completely reduced it to a few 'kill boxes' in Rise (literal square combat zones) and a few, better implemented combat encounters in Shadow.

All the while you still have an inventory system with dozens of bows, shotguns, assault rifles and more, all with their own upgrade paths, but by the time you've upgraded some of those weapons, you're near the end of the game, and even though you can traverse all over the map, there's no more enemies anywhere.

It's frustrating because Shadow's combat (and stealth) is really fun. I just wish there was more of it. Not to the degree of the first, but man would it be fun to have respawning enemy patrols in those forest sections.

 

[Ceadeus]

I highly recommend people try out Ion Fury if you haven't already. Fantastic old school shooter.

Also phantom fury. A sequel but inspired by half life. It's a must play imo

 

[mitch1971]

Yes, I miss both of her personalities.

(am I doing this right?)

No.

I miss her tits.

 

[Mister Wolf]

I think you guys are seeing old Lara with nostalgic goggles on.
In the original Tobmb Raider, she was a self centered cunt with a terrible 90s vibe and style (those round glasses...) who loved to act like an unsufferable bitch toward everyone.
She was all that's bad with Indiana Jones, without the heroic redeeming qualities, at least until the very end of the game.
Her only redeeming feature was her double ds knockers.

Now that i think about it, being a self centered cunt who loves to act like an unsufferable bitch toward everyone is the very definition of "girl boss" so everyone saying she was what the blue haired mob aspire to be are totally right.

Yes, we know all that. None of us are disremembering Lara. Especially those of us that read her character in other media like her classic comics from Image/Top Cow.

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

I think you guys are seeing old Lara with nostalgic goggles on.
In the original Tobmb Raider, she was a self centered cunt with a terrible 90s vibe and style (those round glasses...) who loved to act like an unsufferable bitch toward everyone.
She was all that's bad with Indiana Jones, without the heroic redeeming qualities, at least until the very end of the game.
Her only redeeming feature was her double ds knockers.

Now that i think about it, being a self centered cunt who loves to act like an unsufferable bitch toward everyone is the very definition of "girl boss" so everyone saying she was what the blue haired mob aspire to be are totally right.

There is NOTHING wrong with giving the protagonist some flaws.

None of us are saying she was a saint; hell she is basically a proud thief. But no one was asking her to be a paragon of virtue, just as no one asked Tony Stark to be a paragon of Virtue.

Flaws are interesting, flaws make characters more than vanilla plain action heroes.

 

[DanielG165]

I liked her in both Rise and Shadow, personally. She had much more confidence in those games versus the first one, but still made massive mistakes or fudged up things sometimes. Made her feel more… Personable. Nothing at all wrong with action hero Laura, though.

 

[schaft0620]

I think the word you are looking for is boobies.

 

[nkarafo]

Nice to see this remaster appreciated, I miss it too, but also the gameplay I miss it, no difficulty, no hand holding, no regen life and all of the modern bullshit.

But simpler times, no big agendas in making a game, people played games because it was fun, it was an escape, nobody cared about achievements, no blighted streamers and their idiotic opinions.
And it's not only in Lara you see this, in every popular character, with all the you need to relate to them fucking bullshit, it needs to be real, emotional crap.

Let's enjoy this and the upcoming remasters, because that Lara's never coming back.

Yeah, i just wish the remasters didn't have those unhinged, unapologetic disclaimers against the old developers and fans.

 

[RCX]

All I wanted from the new ones was the same emphasis on puzzles and exploration with a coat of shiny modern paint.

Instead we got a pain-in-the-ass Lara, too much combat, crap stealth and bugger-all puzzles.

 

[The Cockatrice]

There is NOTHING wrong with giving the protagonist some flaws.

None of us are saying she was a saint; hell she is basically a proud thief. But no one was asking her to be a paragon of virtue, just as no one asked Tony Stark to be a paragon of Virtue.

Flaws are interesting, flaws make characters more than vanilla plain action heroes.

But then what are you arguing about if the og was flawed since the modern one is also flawed lmao. Both have different personalities with their ups and downs. I hated both, the first was a cocky blow up doll cunt and the new one is a drama queen cunt. Take your poison but outside of a one night stand I'd never marry Lara Croft. You know who I liked tho? Elena Fisher, Nate's gf and Chloe even tho she's not a good person, she had more personality in 2 games than Lara had moaning and screaming for 3 games.

 

[cireza]

The fact that she actually shuts up during gameplay/exploration is a huge win. And when she says something, in cut-scenes, she actually shows an interesting British personality and accent, a bit like James Bond. So that's a pretty cool character overall.

Modern Lara is as bland as it gets, and she never shuts up. Next Lara will be She-Hulk, probably.

 

[BbMajor7th]

Yeah, those remasters are a pleasure to play through. A genuinely unique design language that feels fresh and interesting in the modern gaming scene, with a heavy focus on exploration, platforming and puzzle-solving over cover-based shooting, RPG skill trees and corny cut scenes.

Classic Lara was a gigantic mary-sue.

In what way? It's not like she speaks four languages, plays the harp, and quotes the Illiad while raiding ancient tombs. Most of her skill is based around physicality and athleticism, which makes sense for her vocation.

 

[Bond007]

We all do.

 

[Hypereides]

Wasn’t Lara the strong independent woman all these blue haired freaks wanted in the first place?

Why are they changing her?

Apparently, not enough. Its really baffling what they've done to the Tomb raider IP. It honestly makes no sense at all. She was exactly the kind of character those people could've used as a prime example of what they were pushing for.

 

[Bojanglez]

OG Lara, Derby's finest creation. What they have done to her now is an insult to my place of birth and quite frankly my culture.

 

[sloppyjoe_gamer]

Embrace your new broad shouldered, breastless, woke Lenny Croft

 

[Moochi]

I miss both of 'em.

 

[Alex11]

Yeah, i just wish the remasters didn't have those unhinged, unapologetic disclaimers against the old developers and fans.

Yeah, of course, but I try to not let it get to me, if I do, it's possible I'll never get out of this constant boring war of minorities and culture and whatnot.

But these are the times, pussyfied and as I said, this constant need for a fucking game character to relate to the gamer, for fuck's sake, it's a video game, Jesus Christ.

I mean, when I was in school, I couldn't care less of a character's problems in a game, I wanted it to be cool, to blow shit up, to escape from reality for a bit.
As an adult the same, you go to work, you deal with all kinds of stress and problems, you come home, why in the fuck would I want to see drama and all that feelings crap in a video game when I want to relax and play a fun game with fun gameplay. Sure, it can have an interesting story and characters, but there has to be a line somewhere drawn.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

Yes.
The sad part is : SotTR is actually a pretty good game exploration wise. It's actually the most "Tomb Raider" of the whole "survivor" trilogy and i liked the game for that.
....But the story is still awful and Lara is still not Lara but a cringy teenage woman with daddy issues.

The fact that she starts the game by erasing an entire village never ceases to amaze me, lmao.

 

[nkarafo]

Yeah, of course, but I try to not let it get to me, if I do, it's possible I'll never get out of this constant boring war of minorities and culture and whatnot.

But these are the times, pussyfied and as I said, this constant need for a fucking game character to relate to the gamer, for fuck's sake, it's a video game, Jesus Christ.

I mean, when I was in school, I couldn't care less of a character's problems in a game, I wanted it to be cool, to blow shit up, to escape from reality for a bit.
As an adult the same, you go to work, you deal with all kinds of stress and problems, you come home, why in the fuck would I want to see drama and all that feelings crap in a video game when I want to relax and play a fun game with fun gameplay. Sure, it can have an interesting story and characters, but there has to be a line somewhere drawn.

I know what you mean but...

That disclaimer... That particular disclaimer is not like the others.

They pretty much say "You and the developers of the original, are racist/sexist assholes but we also want to capitalize on their success and get paid of their work so we can't risk changing anything and make you not buy this so enjoy your racist/sexist game".

That's the tone of their message. It's pretty hard for me to ignore and not make me angry. Why should i even support those fuckers when they attack me as a fan and the old developers? I also try to ignore stupid things that don't really matter but this goes over the line for me.

 

[Alex11]

I know what you mean but...

That disclaimer... That particular disclaimer is not like the others.

They pretty much say "You and the developers of the original, are racist/sexist assholes but we also want to capitalize on their success and get paid of their work so we can't risk changing anything and make you not buy this so enjoy your racist/sexist game".

That's the tone of their message. It's pretty hard for me to ignore and not make me angry. Why should i even support those fuckers when they attack me as a fan and the old developers? I also try to ignore stupid things that don't really matter but this goes over the line for me.

Yeah, they're hypocrites to say the least, but humans being hypocrites is one of the greatest love stories ever. And also liars, I mean I don't really think anyone there really believes that message.

I get your anger, I was too the 1st time I saw it, but what can you do? Not buy games anymore, sure, the AAA games or at least not at launch, but can you really convince even 40% to not buy these games that have shitty stuff like this?

 

[nkarafo]

Yeah, they're hypocrites to say the least, but humans being hypocrites is one of the greatest love stories ever. And also liars, I mean I don't really think anyone there really believes that message.

I get your anger, I was too the 1st time I saw it, but what can you do? Not buy games anymore, sure, the AAA games or at least not at launch, but can you really convince even 40% to not buy these games that have shitty stuff like this?

Sure i will make a post about it to inform others and express my annoyance. For the chance that someone may care but is unaware. But no, i don't really care what everyone else does afterwards. If people can ignore this then good for them.

Personally, after reading that awful disclaimer i would find it really hard not to think about it. It would be in my mind and bother me all the time while playing so i rather not have that in my gaming time, which should only be about my enjoyment and nothing else.

 

[Krathoon]

What happened with Lara Croft was totally wokeism. She was this campy, larger than life character that got watered down.

I do like every video game incarnation, though.

 

[Krathoon]

Natla was the perfect antagonist to Lara Croft.

 

[SkylineRKR]

I think she was best in the Legend and Underworld games. A bit more personality than the original saga, but still cocky and experienced.

Then in the survivor trilogy she starts like an inexperienced adventurer, being scared and feeling remorse for killing her first animal an human in self defense. Which prompts her to go on a rampage with the biggest arsenal of weapons the series has ever seen. And these are also the easiest TR by far (well perhaps Legend is easier). She decimates private armies, even with brutal finish moves. One after another. And in cutscenes its a 180 again. I enjoyed the first of the survivor games, but it wasn't the game it could've been (true survival on a desolate island).

 

[MagiusNecros]

Lara 2013 - Weak woman, favors the pickaxe and throwing dirt(likes to roll in it too like a pig), for daddy, insecure, i didn't mean to do all these bad things, i'm not insane, manor is in disrepair and there is garbage everywhere, started a world ending apocalypse, Jonah, not classy, says they are a good person, is very dumb, does not have the sexy glasses, has no ass, claims they aren't selfish

OG Lara - Strong woman, disowned by family due to saying fuck you to an arranged marriage and ordinary rich life after surviving a plane crash and being standed in the himilayan mountains for 2 weeks(twas a mental gamechanger), chased adventure and made lots of money doing exploring, merc work, stealing shit, has no problem jacking cars, helicopters, planes, submarines to get her way, dual guns, super hot and athletic, is not a good person, penchant for killing nearly extinct or thought to be extinct creatures, saved the world many times over, very smart, the manor is not in disrepair and very clean, tendency to lock her butler in the freezer, can afford a Butler, has the sexy glasses, has an ass, very selfish

I dunno the choice is clear to me. While Survivor Croft tends to whine and cry about everything...OG Lara would just shoot it in the face.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

This is what western videogame writers think it's badass today.

 

[Little Chicken]

Sweet Baby has entered the chat

 

[Guilty_AI]

Also phantom fury. A sequel but inspired by half life. It's a must play imo

i heard phantom fury wasn't very good tho, not even made by the same developer

 

[MagiusNecros]

i heard phantom fury wasn't very good tho, not even made by the same developer

It's alright. Not as good as Ion. And nowhere near as good as Selaco.

 

[Krathoon]

The original Lara Croft is not a good person, but that is her charm. She is kind of nutty.

Angelina Jolie was great casting in the movie.

 

[Omnipunctual Godot]

Me too.

To think we have the technology to actually make her look like this in a game.

Well, maybe we don't. But Eastern devs do at least.

 

[Mister Wolf]

To think we have the technology to actually make her look like this in a game.

Well, maybe we don't. But Eastern devs do at least.

They could, but wont. Crystal Dynamics is likely infested with feminists and men that think they can become women.

 

[BigLee74]

I absolutely LOVE the slower pace and sense of scale in the old Tomb Raiders.

It would be great for them to be reimaged using the same grid system but with super-spangly graphics.

Don’t get me wrong, I love the new Tomb Raiders too, but they did lose a little bit of magic.

 

[AgatonSax]

I’d have put an antagonist based on the original Lara character into the new games to really nail the message.

 

[Filben]

I thought what they did with the 2013 reboot was fine and I really enjoyed it. But instead of progressing her closer to the classic Lara with subsequent entries she's just gotten worse and more unlikeable.

This. I thought her origin story was ONE game (and I reeeally enjoyed it for what it was) and then came Rise and they dragged it over two more games... and invented that "my dad did something and now must follow his footsteps" story. She already became that survivor at the end of the first game. They should have gone with a ten years time leap and shown her as classic Lara in a modern game.

 

[MagiusNecros]

I’d have put an antagonist based on the original Lara character into the new games to really nail the message.

Doppelganger Lara except Doppelganger Lara would just snap Survivor Lara like a twig in 2 seconds flat.

 

[Arachnid]

is there anything sadder & dumber in all of gaming than people 're-imaging' characters whom we hold dear primarily because of who they were originally? it's like 're-imagining' chocolate by making it vanilla...

So tired of this.

Jill Valentine was basically unrecognizable. Legit just a new annoying character.

Kratos bitching about peace and "wE mUsT bE BeTtER" was also boring as hell. That isn't why anyone came.

 

[Crayon]

Besides their wanting to re-do the character in their own image, and somehow do better than the iconic original being monumentally cocky...

I understand wanting to reboot her into a more human and realistic person. They simply don't have the talent to do it, though. Their lara is boring and not particularly believable. I'll say that again: They don't have the talent. You can get away with a lot if you do, but they don't.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I miss when characters were badass and were shouting one-liners at every step. The likes of Duke, Caleb or Lara.

Nowadays it's all uuuh muh feels and the drama. Shit sucks.

Bad ass action film star Croft > current year daddy issues OnlyFans Croft.

 

[deeptech]

I always wondered this, it was around the time they rebooted her that feminist types and twitter/tumblr blue hair shit started to appear iirc. And there was "muh strong independent wymin" nonsense being spewed. Yet they made her into a weakling nobody cared about, nobody wanted, nobody will ever want or care about, whereas the original Lara WAS already the greatest model perhaps in gaming for a strong cool independent woman.

 

[nial]

Serious question, when does modern Lara Croft start? In that one garbage PS2 game, the reboot OR the other reboot?

 

[Crayon]

Serious question, when does modern Lara Croft start? In that one garbage PS2 game, the reboot OR the other reboot?

Angel of Darkness? I think that was the same lara but a poor attempt at edgelording. The game itself was god awful, though.

 

[kiphalfton]

Pics of "personality" for reference:

 

[MagiusNecros]

Serious question, when does modern Lara Croft start? In that one garbage PS2 game, the reboot OR the other reboot?

2013. Legends was a soft reboot. 2013 aka Survivor was the beginning of the end. The garbage PS2 game which I assume you mean Angel of Darkness was rushed and had a lot of issues and cut content.

The original devs wanted to either take a break from TR or end the series at 4. But Eidos wanted to continue yearly releases and so Chronicles and AoD happened.

Last Revelation was supposed to be the last Tomb Raider game.