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[brain_stew]

Well, I guess the new Nvidia GTX 580 with 2GB of GDDR5, a 512 bit memory interface, 512 CUDA cores and 128 TMUs is the one for you

Crazy rumor time: http://www.techpowerup.com/132832/NVIDIA-to-Counter-Radeon-HD-6970-Cayman-with-GeForce-GTX-580.html

:lol

Good luck with that.

Nvidia have no need for a wider memory bus, they just need to sort out their memory controller so that it can accept faster GDDR5 memory and they'll be fine. Adding more wasteful transistors is the last thing they need to do.

 

[Ryoma-Echizen]

IrishNinja
Why 460, HD6850 is better and with less powerconsumption. X6 1055T is a beter gpu, cost the same, and also have good temps. A future-proof cpu for the multicore-games (Crysis 2 will support 8 core cpu's).

brain_stew

You're right, current nvidia gpu's struggles with 4Ghz GDDR5 and AMD gpu's will use 6/7Ghz GDDR5. They need to work on that memory controller. At least until 2012 384bit + 7000Mhz GDDR5 is the way to go for a monster card.


HD5870
153GB/s (4800Mhz * 256bit / 8)

GTX480
177GB/s (3696Mhz * 384bit / 8)

"so called single gpu HD6970"
204GB/s (6400Mhz * 256bit / 8)





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First 3D Monitor certified for AMD HD6000 series HD3D

http://www.madboxpc.com/viewsonic-lanza-el-primer-lcd-led-3d-certificado-para-amd/
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=260779

€378

 

[brain_stew]

I am currently on a 4850. And despite it being a known problem for many years, I still can't really play games over HDMI on my 1080p television because it goes crazy with scaling and resolution (ie keeps trying to do 1080p24, etc.)

That's easily fixed, just enforce hardware scaling. That's it, problem solved and all your content will be scaled to a 1080p/60hz output. No more 24hz output.

You might have to select a lower resolution first in order to enable hardware scaling.

 

[Chris R]

They're really the 6750 and 6770.

Ah, explains the rather poor results. Why did AMD do this then if they are really the 67xx series?

edit: nevermind, I forgot companies love to use one set of identifiers to determine performance and then just screw it up to mess the consumers minds up

 

[DodgyGeezerFella]

Hey guys, Im tired of playing games on my laptop and am interested in building a small pc to hook up to my TV.

What Im looking for:
-Im interested in having a small PC, so as small case as possible. I looked at the mATX cases but have no idea where to start.
-i3/i5 or the new AMD proc? Whichever is cheaper lol.
-A video card to play newer games on high at a resolution on 1360x768.
-Dont need a SSD.
-Internal Wireless Internet card possible?

Budget:

$500 not including windows, is this possible? I have a microcenter near me and Im willing to order online.

I used to have 1 of these -

Shuttle XPC SP35P2

Running a Q6600, 4GB DDR2 and a 1gb 5770 (Exhaust blower), loved the little thing, was cool n quiet, tucked away in a small section of my desk. Might be worth looking into a Shuttle, they come with motherboard and power supply wired up, so all you really need to do is put in the proccesor, memory, graphics cards, hard drive and DVD drive. On that particular shuttle i wouldnt have been able to fit in a PCI wireless card as the GPU took up both slots, but you might be able to find different ones online that would allow it. Hope this helps

 

[brain_stew]

Ah, explains the rather poor results. Why did AMD do this then if they are really the 67xx series?

edit: nevermind, I forgot companies love to use one set of identifiers to determine performance and then just screw it up to mess the consumers minds up

The most frustrating part is that AMD had the simplest and easiest to understand naming scheme for 3 generations straight. That's unprecedented in the GPU world but I guess that just couldn't be allowed to continue.............SMH

 

[Ryoma-Echizen]

Ah, explains the rather poor results. Why did AMD do this then if they are really the 67xx series?

edit: nevermind, I forgot companies love to use one set of identifiers to determine performance and then just screw it up to mess the consumers minds up

Because they have the Fusion APUs (cpu+igp). Regular naming has to be readjusted with those newcomers.

Fusion Llano has a 480SP gpu (~HD5570)
Fusion Ontario has a 80SP gpu (~HD5450)

 

[brain_stew]

Because they have the Fusion APUs (cpu+igp). Regular naming has to be readjusted with those newcomers.

Fusion Llano has a 480SP gpu (~HD5570)
Fusion Ontario has a 80SP gpu (~HD5450)

I know that's the excuse they're using, its still a cop out. Lla

Has anyone come out with a projection of what the whole lineup might look like yet? I'm quite interested in what the low end chips will look like, not least because one of them will probably be used in Wii 2's own APU.

Are we expecting a 80x4 chip? That's what I'd probably want to see in Wii2, should be a good fit with 4x2ghz Bobcat cores + ~10MB eDRAM as L3 cache + 1GB of GDDR5 attached via a 64 bit bus.

P.S. Redwood as used in the 5570 is a 400sp GPU, and since Llano probably has a stock Redwood GPU integrated, it'll likely be a 400sp part as well.

 

[coopolon]

That's easily fixed, just enforce hardware scaling. That's it, problem solved and all your content will be scaled to a 1080p/60hz output. No more 24hz output.

You might have to select a lower resolution first in order to enable hardware scaling.

I already have hardware scaling enabled for when I play older 4:3 games, and it doesn't fix the issues.

It seems like the fix would be under HDTV support, but I've messed with every setting on there, as have numerous other people on the ATI forums, and so far I have yet to see a consistent solution.

 

[Varna]

i5-760 turbo boost feature is pretty damn awesome. I only wanted a really moderate overclock... was looking at getting to 3.6. It does it on it's own when ever I am in a CPU heavy game though. Goes as high as 3.8 sometimes. If I was to overclock it would it attempt to go even higher on it's own?

 

[brain_stew]

I already have hardware scaling enabled for when I play older 4:3 games, and it doesn't fix the issues.

It seems like the fix would be under HDTV support, but I've messed with every setting on there, as have numerous other people on the ATI forums, and so far I have yet to see a consistent solution.

Give Dark10x a PM, he had the same issue (on Nvidia hardware as well) and got it sorted with little fuss.

 

[brain_stew]

i5-760 turbo boost feature is pretty damn awesome. I only wanted a really moderate overclock... was looking at getting to 3.6. It does it on it's own when ever I am in a CPU heavy game though. Goes as high as 3.8 sometimes. If I was to overclock it would it attempt to go even higher on it's own?

You're best off leaving Turbo boost off when overclocking. Its possible to use it along with an OC but it can actually restrict your OCs and is just an extra headache you probably don't want.

 

[Aeana]

Okay, so based on the input I received a few days ago, I tried to sort of adapt the Econobox and Hazaro's recommendations from before and came up with something that seems... decent. But it doesn't strike me as being as good of a value as I might be able to get otherwise.

Here's the Newegg shopping cart: http://imgur.com/l6LVl.png

I'd love it if anybody has any input on how to either make it cheaper without sacrificing too much, or by making it much better while keeping it under $600 with shipping included, I'd really appreciate it.

Anyone? I realized after I posted this that an image isn't really all that helpful, so here are the links to the individual items:

DVD drive - $19
Case - $40
Hard drive - $55
Graphics card (Radeon 4870) - $130
Processor (Athlon II X4 640) and motherboard (ASUS M4A87TD) combo - $183
RAM (2x2GB DDR3) and PSU (500W) combo - $135

$561 + $10 shipping is what it comes out to. I'm looking to either reduce the price and keep it about the same in terms of power, or replace some parts to make it better while still keeping it under $600. Or if one of you says it looks all right, I guess I'll go with it. I'm just such an amateur at this stuff that I'm sure it can be made better.

 

[Dennis]

:lol

Good luck with that.

Nooooooo, don't kill the dream..... I want that card.

 

[brain_stew]

Anyone? I realized after I posted this that an image isn't really all that helpful, so here are the links to the individual items:

DVD drive - $19
Case - $40
Hard drive - $55
Graphics card (Radeon 4870) - $130
Processor (Athlon II X4 640) and motherboard (ASUS M4A87TD) combo - $183
RAM (2x2GB DDR3) and PSU (500W) combo - $135

$561 + $10 shipping is what it comes out to. I'm looking to either reduce the price and keep it about the same in terms of power, or replace some parts to make it better while still keeping it under $600. Or if one of you says it looks all right, I guess I'll go with it. I'm just such an amateur at this stuff that I'm sure it can be made better.

Get the 1TB F3, only a few dollars more but twice the space and quite a bit faster.

Get one of the ~$140 768MB GTX 460s mentioned in the last few pages.

Rest of its looking pretty good though.

 

[Aeana]

Get the 1TB F3, only a few dollars more but twice the space and quite a bit faster.

Get one of the ~$140 768MB GTX 460s mentioned in the last few pages.

Rest of its looking pretty good though.

Oh, is the 768MB GTX 460 okay? I'd been reading about it earlier today and it kind of seemed like it wouldn't be worth it if it wasn't the 1GB model (which is out of my price range for sure). My monitor is 1920x1080, but if the 768MB will do fine, I'll totally go for that. I don't need to run everything on super high settings or anything; I just want to get better than the 10 FPS I get now on most games. -_-

 

[brain_stew]

Oh, is the 768MB GTX 460 okay? I'd been reading about it earlier today and it kind of seemed like it wouldn't be worth it if it wasn't the 1GB model (which is out of my price range for sure). My monitor is 1920x1080, but if the 768MB will do fine, I'll totally go for that. I don't need to run everything on super high settings or anything; I just want to get better than the 10 FPS I get now on most games. -_-

At that price its impossible to ignore.

 

[·feist·]

Most rumors are from asian forums, but they generally turn out to be correct.

I'm sure there will be a leaked benchmark before launch and NDA is up, but I'll reserve my opinions on the card until pricing and I read reviews from:
Guru3D (woo 20 pages)
Anandtech (woo 20 pages)
TechReport
[H]
TechPowerUp
and probably another 2 websites.

I'm in the same boat. Some sources have definitely proven more reliable than others, but with all the inaccurate info and falsified benchmarks, I'll be waiting until a handful of legit sources confirm (like some of the ones you have listed above).

Part of what I was getting at was that it isn't the best idea for anyone to be relying on, or taking advice from, certain individuals/sources/sites that so clearly have an obvious slant to them.

 

[Aeana]

At that price its impossible to ignore.

I see. Well, thanks for the help. I went ahead and pulled the trigger. Can't wait to finally get off of this P4 3GHz/6800GS.

 

[Hazaro]

Someone offered to buy my R4870 512MB for $75. Should I jump? Figure I can get a 460 if the 6000 series is crap (looks to be a letdown if those benches are true...)

Good price for the card considering its 512MB version.

Im looking towards building something like this.

I really want the smallest form factor possible. I could bump up my budget a bit. Im not looking to buy until decemberish so I could save until then. Just want an idea of what to look out for.

Small form factors like that raise your price and limit your options. I can't really give you any reccomendations, a person here bought that rig iirc yesterday. I'd try a HTPC forum or something.

It's damn amazing seeing BFBC2 running at 60 FPS with all settings maxed out and not a single hitch.

I am having a little problem someone in here might be able to help me... what's the best way to apply thermal paste to the 212? Should it be on the CPU? The Heatsink? My temps are not all that great at the moment. Getting idle temp of 30 and under heavy load around 50. That does not seem right based on all the reviews I've read.

Those temps are just fine.

Here's the Newegg shopping cart: http://imgur.com/l6LVl.png

I'd love it if anybody has any input on how to either make it cheaper without sacrificing too much, or by making it much better while keeping it under $600 with shipping included, I'd really appreciate it.

1TB F3 + 460GTX 768MB.

I see. Well, thanks for the help. I went ahead and pulled the trigger. Can't wait to finally get off of this P4 3GHz/6800GS.

Oh man - What are you gonna run first?

 

[asdad123]

I used to have 1 of these -

Shuttle XPC SP35P2

Running a Q6600, 4GB DDR2 and a 1gb 5770 (Exhaust blower), loved the little thing, was cool n quiet, tucked away in a small section of my desk. Might be worth looking into a Shuttle, they come with motherboard and power supply wired up, so all you really need to do is put in the proccesor, memory, graphics cards, hard drive and DVD drive. On that particular shuttle i wouldnt have been able to fit in a PCI wireless card as the GPU took up both slots, but you might be able to find different ones online that would allow it. Hope this helps

That looks exactly what Im looking for actually. I looked around tonight and cant seem to find one with over a 300W power supply. Im assuming that would be too low for a quad core and a 5750/70?

How much of a power supply does yours have?

 

[DodgyGeezerFella]

That looks exactly what Im looking for actually. I looked around tonight and cant seem to find one with over a 300W power supply. Im assuming that would be too low for a quad core and a 5750/70?

How much of a power supply does yours have?

It had a 400w PSU.

 

[Ryoma-Echizen]

I know that's the excuse they're using, its still a cop out. Lla

Has anyone come out with a projection of what the whole lineup might look like yet? I'm quite interested in what the low end chips will look like, not least because one of them will probably be used in Wii 2's own APU.

Are we expecting a 80x4 chip? That's what I'd probably want to see in Wii2, should be a good fit with 4x2ghz Bobcat cores + ~10MB eDRAM as L3 cache + 1GB of GDDR5 attached via a 64 bit bus.

P.S. Redwood as used in the 5570 is a 400sp GPU, and since Llano probably has a stock Redwood GPU integrated, it'll likely be a 400sp part as well.

Well, rumors pointed models with 480/400SP and slower dual-cores with 240/160SP.

If Nintendo decides that their "Ati" previous support means now AMD support(they can provide cpu+gpu+chipset, is a winning combo in my book) Llano is the most logical option. A 80SP gpu or even two of them will barely compete with Xbox 360 GPU. The only drawback is that with Llano the next Nintendo machine will not have the low power consumption of Wii, only Ontario can do that.

HD5450/4550/Ontario < HD3650 < HD4650 / Xbox 360 (x1900XT~) < HD4670 < HD5570

Quad-core Llano:

95W&#65306;3.6GHz+480sp(HD5570)
60W&#65306;3.0GHz+480sp(HD5570)
45W&#65306;2.6GHz+400sp(HD5550)

One of the

http://white-rabbit50.at.webry.info/201008/article_1.html

 

[Owzers]

If a motherboard has an optical audio connection will that give me 5.1 surround through my receiver or do i have to have a dedicated sound card?

 

[·feist·]

If a motherboard has an optical audio connection will that give me 5.1 surround through my receiver or do i have to have a dedicated sound card?

Do you also have HDMI on-board? As long as everything is set (bios/software/drivers/components), your motherboard should be passing along a signal for your receiver to decode.

That looks exactly what Im looking for actually. I looked around tonight and cant seem to find one with over a 300W power supply. Im assuming that would be too low for a quad core and a 5750/70?

How much of a power supply does yours have?

Did you take a look at any of Shuttle's other models? They've recently introduced some newer models/iterations. I believe they have PSUs of up to at least 500w that can be purchsed with a chassis, or as a stand alone.

http://us.shuttle.com/barebone/products.html
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=bl_sr_electronics?_encoding=UTF8&node=172282&field-brandtextbin=Shuttle

As for other mATX/mini-ITX SFF options, SilverStone, Lian-Li, and even smaller companies like Fractal Design and Lan Gear all make a range of enclosures that might interest you.

http://www.silverstonetek.com/
http://www.lan-gear.com/products.php
http://www.lian-li.com/v2/en/contact_us/index1.php
http://www.fractal-design.com/?view=product&category=2&prod=42

 

[ZZMitch]

I see. Well, thanks for the help. I went ahead and pulled the trigger. Can't wait to finally get off of this P4 3GHz/6800GS.

I know what you mean, I will be going from an old Mac Mini (bootcamp) to a GTX 460/Core i5 760

Should be here on Monday... gunna start with Civilzation 5 and Team Fortress 2 probably.

 

[Jin34]

Nooooooo, don't kill the dream..... I want that card.

:lol . Well a full Fermi card is possible (all 512 cores enabled) but that thing is just to distract from the new Radeons.

 

[toastyToast]

So is it the 6850 the one that competes with the GTX 460 or the 6870?

I was thinking that the 6870 would sit between the 5850 and the 5870 (GTX 470-ish performance). Pretty disappointing otherwise.

 

[Cipherr]

So is it the 6850 the one that competes with the GTX 460

Yes.

I was thinking that the 6870 would sit between the 5850 and the 5870

It does.

 

[IrishNinja]

I used to have 1 of these -

Shuttle XPC SP35P2

(nevermind, my PSU question had been answered...fuck. my dream of building a high-end portable gaming rig that looks like a gamecube still eludes me...)
*edit: wait, ·feist·'s post gives me hope. what's the minimum wattage an i5/GTX 460 or the like GPU require? would 500 be ok, or only 600w?

IrishNinja
Why 460, HD6850 is better and with less powerconsumption. X6 1055T is a beter gpu, cost the same, and also have good temps. A future-proof cpu for the multicore-games (Crysis 2 will support 8 core cpu's).

ah, only because the site im looking at doesn't offer the 6850, suppose i could take a cheaper card and then upgrade? your CPU comment lost me though; why would the i5-760 not be a good call? im told OC'ing it to @ 3.5ghz shouldn't be a problem, long as temperatures in the SFF case hold.

 

[GodfatherX]

Recently decided to upgrade my early 06 gaming rig
-Athlon X2 3800
-2gb xms ram
-8800 GTS
-250gb HDD

with another 2 gigs of ram (which was like $90 freaking ddr1 ram), and a 2tb HDD, worked fine for 4 days after everything was installed, the out of nowhere it doesn't boot, get the evga (mobo mfg) splash screen, no post error beeps pr anything, just sticks there. Tried removing all components and adding min configuration and tried each stick of ram 1 at a time and no dice, thinking either my mobo or cpu is fried, so tired of dealing with this rig so started looking at building a new one

uses: primarily for media (music, movies ect), music production (Reason 4, FL Studio, Cuebase ect) and light gaming (primarily HL2, Portal, mainly use my 360 or PS3 but use steam to buy indie games ect).

Want to salvage what I can from the old rig, so dvd burner, 250gb hdd, new 2tb hdd, heres what I have so far
-Intel Core i3
-Biostar HD55
-Mushkin 4GB DDR3
-Apex Micro ATX case
-Apevia 500w psu
Total - $328 shipped prior to mails ins, which i never count on

not entirely sure that psu will work in the case, also I'd really like to stay with the 8800gts to save money. Last thing is I plan to use this as a hackintosh as well, checking the compat lis all looks ok on that front but would like to hear advice from any experienced people on that front, or any suggestions period, havent built a pc in 4 years.

 

[Shambles]

I would suggest the Athlon II X4 640 over the i3 but I don't believe it would be do-able for a hackintosh.

 

[Vigilant Walrus]

That Lian-Li looks great. When I build my power desktop, I am thinking about also building a Micro ATX system, for use with downloading and such, because I dont want a powerful gaming pc, being turned on all night... its bad for your power bills if your doing SLI and shit.


But is it the best way to build a dedicated HTPC? I was also thinking about buying one of those sleek HP Home Server systems, but thats more like storage, though it says it can convert files on the fly, and backup shit wirelessly.

Basically you want your gaming PC hooked up to your gaming monitors. but then you want your your HTPC hooked up to your HDTV, so you can browse the net from your couch and watch your downloaded stuff on the HDTV too.. and you also want back up for your HTPC AND your gaming PC, with all your important files.

how the hell would one go about all this, without buying needless systems and parts?


gaming rig

htpc

server backup for everything


and perhaps a budget sound system that connects everything, like a universal soundbar, that can get hooked up to the computers, console and tv.

jesus christ my head hurts

 

[Ryoma-Echizen]

GodfatherX
Intel current dual core are worthless. For the same price you got the Athlon II X4 645 3.1Ghz(or 640 3Ghz to save some bucks for more or less the same processor) wich spanks any i5 dual core. Even more with heavy use and multicore applications (such as audio/video editing).

Mobo:
Gigabyte 880GM UD2H


Shambles
AMD is a doable hackintosh up to Leopard.

 

[triplestation]

whats the best possible gaming rig for around 600 bucks?

 

[Ryoma-Echizen]

whats the best possible gaming rig for around 600 bucks?

Athlon II X3 445 3.1Ghz
Gigabyte 870A UD3
G.Skill Ripjaws DDR3 1600 2x2GB
Coolermaster Elite 370
Seagate 7200.12 500GB
OCZ Modstream 500w
HD5770 $140 / HD6850 $200~

 

[Alucrid]

I'm looking for a soundcard with an RCA out that's sub $200. What should I be looking at?

 

[asdad123]

So I found a shuttle case SP35P2 with a 400W power supply for a decent price. (200 with a E6850 and 4gb memory already. Ill upgrade the proc to a quad core like a Q9505 which is 95W).

Before I go and buy it, what video card would a 400W power supply be able to handle? Would a 5750 or maybe even 5770 be able to go in it? Should I be looking for a more power efficient quad core such as the 9550 which is 65W?

 

[vazel]

I'm looking for a soundcard with an RCA out that's sub $200. What should I be looking at?

You can use 3.5mm to RCA cables on any soundcard.

 

[DodgyGeezerFella]

So I found a shuttle case SP35P2 with a 400W power supply for a decent price. (200 with a E6850 and 4gb memory already. Ill upgrade the proc to a quad core like a Q9505 which is 95W).

Before I go and buy it, what video card would a 400W power supply be able to handle? Would a 5750 or maybe even 5770 be able to go in it? Should I be looking for a more power efficient quad core such as the 9550 which is 65W?

I used a 5770 in mine with absolutely no problems (but with a Q6600). You must get one with a rear exhaust though, letting it dump the heat inside the case is a no no

 

[asdad123]

I used a 5770 in mine with absolutely no problems (but with a Q6600). You must get one with a rear exhaust though, letting it dump the heat inside the case is a no no

This is the back, is this the one your talking about?

Sorry for all the questions. Thank you

If not the shuttle, then Ill probably pick up this and get an Athlon X4 640 for $100 with a free matx motherboard from the Microcenter near me since this case fits a full size power supply.

 

[DodgyGeezerFella]

Is that a single slot 5770 ? Doesnt appear to be rear exhaust. The reason i recommend a rear exhaust is because i used a 4870 in mine originally which dumped the heat into the case, and the entire thing got ridiculously hot. With the 5770 everything went nice n cool. I will say keep an eye on the temps and listen to how hard its pushing it with that in there.

 

[asdad123]

Is that a single slot 5770 ? Doesnt appear to be rear exhaust. The reason i recommend a rear exhaust is because i used a 4870 in mine originally which dumped the heat into the case, and the entire thing got ridiculously hot. With the 5770 everything went nice n cool. I will say keep an eye on the temps and listen to how hard its pushing it with that in there.

Thats actually a Radeon 2600 in there.

I thought you meant that there was a rear exhaust on the case haha.

 

[Aeana]

Oh man - What are you gonna run first?

First order of business is to finish the SC2 campaign. The game ran fine on low, but it wasn't much to look at on those settings. I've seen it on higher settings and it looked like a totally different game.

That aside, there's other games I got that didn't quite run acceptably enough for me to play them all the way through, like The Witcher and The Last Remnant PC.

Strangely(?), I'm most interested in seeing how much better WoW runs, and news of the graphics upgrades in Cataclysm is actually what finally pushed me to go ahead and finally build a new machine. Can't wait for that.

 

[DodgyGeezerFella]

Thats actually a Radeon 2600 in there.

I thought you meant that there was a rear exhaust on the case haha.

Ah woops I mean something like this -

That 1 one blows it out the rear, while this one -

dumps it in the case, which isnt good for a little shuttle

 

[brain_stew]

I see. Well, thanks for the help. I went ahead and pulled the trigger. Can't wait to finally get off of this P4 3GHz/6800GS.

Oh boy, that's some upgrade! :lol

 

[brain_stew]

Well, rumors pointed models with 480/400SP and slower dual-cores with 240/160SP.

If Nintendo decides that their "Ati" previous support means now AMD support(they can provide cpu+gpu+chipset, is a winning combo in my book) Llano is the most logical option. A 80SP gpu or even two of them will barely compete with Xbox 360 GPU. The only drawback is that with Llano the next Nintendo machine will not have the low power consumption of Wii, only Ontario can do that.

HD5450/4550/Ontario < HD3650 < HD4650 / Xbox 360 (x1900XT~) < HD4670 < HD5570

They have no use for the fat x86 cores used in Llano. If they go the APU route they'll pair Bobcat cores to a higher end GPU than we see in Ontario/Zacate.

No way I'd put Xenos above a 4650, and its certainly not equal to a X1900XT either (try something like an X1900Pro), you just need to check out the benchmarks of multi platform games to see that. The 4650 will generally come out on top and that doesn't have the advantage of running in a closed box and a nice chunk of eDRAM which Xenos (and any solution Nintenod uses) does.

I'm thinking a GPU based on this new 6 series core in an 80x4 configuration (Xenos is a 48x4 configuration fwiw but each of those SPs are much slower and less flexible than what you find in a modern AMD chip), slap it on a die with 4 Bobcat cores (@~2ghz) and 10MB of eDRAM as a shared L3 cache and it'll annihilate the 360 while coming in well below 1 billion transistors.

 

[brain_stew]

Athlon II X3 445 3.1Ghz
Gigabyte 870A UD3
G.Skill Ripjaws DDR3 1600 2x2GB
Coolermaster Elite 370
Seagate 7200.12 500GB
OCZ Modstream 500w
HD5770 $140 / HD6850 $200~

Buying anything other than a quadcore these days is a bad use of funds. Get an X4 640/635/630, whichever is the fastest you can afford.

A $140 5770 is a horrible buy with $140 GTX 460s around.

Get a 1TB Samsung F3 as well, best value drive on the market.

 

[Ryoma-Echizen]

Buying anything other than a quadcore these days is a bad use of funds. Get an X4 640/635/630, whichever is the fastest you can afford.

A $140 5770 is a horrible buy with $140 GTX 460s around.

Get a 1TB Samsung F3 as well, best value drive on the market.

You can't get a 460 for $140. At most $168 for the 768MB models. And that's near HD6850 price territory.

X3 445 ($75~) is a good processor for gaming on a budget. Not much difference with the AII X4 ($99~), but at least $25 less that can be go to a better gpu. Not to mention the unlock possibilities.

$168+25 = HD6850 (equal or better than GTX460 1GB, better than 460 768MB for sure).

 

[asdad123]

You can't get a 460 for $140. At most $168 for the 768MB models. And that's near HD6850 price territory.

X3 445 ($75~) is a good processor for gaming on a budget. Not much difference with the AII X4 ($99~), but at least $25 less that can be go to a better gpu. Not to mention the unlock possibilities.

$168+25 = HD6850 (equal or better than GTX460 1GB, better than 460 768MB for sure).

http://www.compusa.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6491183&sku=G458-0464&SRCCODE=LSCMPUSA&cm_mmc_o=-ddCjC1bELltzywCjC-d2CjCdwwp&AffiliateID=NKa3hZyYoHA-.ChLDNv7KZUDmjA1FNTwHQ

Or even cheaper at newegg with coupon HARDOCP113C

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500173

165 - 9 Dollar coupon code - 25 dollar rebate = 131ish at the end.