TurtleSnatcher
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These tech report builds seem so expensive even for a mid range at 900 bucksMinsc said:
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Minsc
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TurtleSnatcher said:These tech report builds seem so expensive even for a mid range at 900 bucks
What do you mean? I agree it'd be nice if you had a 5850 level GPU in the $900 machine, but with the GPU alone costing ~$300 that'd be a tough pill to swallow!
Weren't you saying how you wanted a $300+ CPU anyway?
Actually I do agree somewhat, prices haven't been coming down, and in some areas, have gone up over the last year or more.
DennisK4 said:
I saw that review too, and it's an amazing processor for certain work atmospheres, but I was just putting it in perspective a little for a gaming forum. It's a very select user that would need to spend that money for such a short benefit. I guarantee you no reviews will be carrying that tune when the i7 970 is released in under 6 months, if it is half the price.
Even look at that last quote, the "i7 980X is much greater value than the i7 975!"
Well the i7 975 is a horrible value! So weird comparison.
And as I was saying, even though some people use PCs for more than gaming, you'd be hard pressed in most situations to exhaust an overclocked i7 920, to where you had to spend $1000 on a i7 980X.
I know you're not being condescending, but I feel it's such a huge waste of money with the i7 970 in the pipelines, and basically only for the "money doesn't matter crowd" and has no place in the gaming world.
TurtleSnatcher
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Minsc said:What do you mean? I agree it'd be nice if you had a 5850 level GPU in the $900 machine, but with the GPU alone costing ~$300 that'd be a tough pill to swallow!
Weren't you saying how you wanted a $300+ CPU anyway?
Actually I do agree somewhat, prices haven't been coming down, and in some areas, have gone up over the last year or more.
I saw that review too, and it's an amazing processor for certain work atmospheres, but I was just putting it in perspective a little in the gaming areas. It's a very select user that would need to spend that money for such a short benefit. I guarantee you no reviews will be carrying that tune when the i7 970 is released in under 6 months, if it is half the price.
I guess I'm just still confused on some things.
I built out an i7-930 system for $900.. with what I needed.. and an i5-750 system for only $50 cheaper or less I think yesterday...
Microcenter has the i7-930's for $199.99 and I have one 10 miles south of me.
NewEgg sells that processor for $90.00 more. NewEgg sells the i5-750 for the exact same price as a i7-930. So I'm stuck on which one in my mind I should get.
Minsc
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Rathering than continuing my editing, here's a new post with the strongest graph you can find for the case of a i7 980X:
For that, I will take back what I said, but it is still the epitome of overkill. Double the performance of a stock i7 920 and triple the performance of a Phenom X4 965.
Probably close to double the performance of a 6-core Phenom too, will be interesting to see how that one turns out.
For that, I will take back what I said, but it is still the epitome of overkill. Double the performance of a stock i7 920 and triple the performance of a Phenom X4 965.
Probably close to double the performance of a 6-core Phenom too, will be interesting to see how that one turns out.
PistolPete
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TurtleSnatcher said:These tech report builds seem so expensive even for a mid range at 900 bucks
I was about to pull the trigger on that exact system. Not a good idea?
TurtleSnatcher said:
I have a Microcenter about 10 miles east of me... Are they generally cheaper than Newegg? Could I bring a print out of that build and get it cheaper there?
drhankmccoyphd
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PistolPete said:
For some parts yes. Check their website before you go. Great store, I love the one near me. Perfect for getting cheap stuff like wifi dongles that cost more to ship than the actual item.
TurtleSnatcher
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Dell is running something on refurb machines 15% off..
All the i5's were snagged by the time I looked.. but I found an i7-860 with 4GB's of ram, Radeon 5770, 1TB HDrive, and DVD-RW etc for $800.00 after tax/shipping. Almost snagged it since I quickly built one off NewEgg and it was coming close to $900 with the cheapest parts even..
I decided to hold off.. hopefully another sale like that will kick back up in the coming month.
All the i5's were snagged by the time I looked.. but I found an i7-860 with 4GB's of ram, Radeon 5770, 1TB HDrive, and DVD-RW etc for $800.00 after tax/shipping. Almost snagged it since I quickly built one off NewEgg and it was coming close to $900 with the cheapest parts even..
I decided to hold off.. hopefully another sale like that will kick back up in the coming month.
Baloonatic
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Could someone give me a list of decent cases please? I'm not really sure what I should be looking for. Needs to be big enough for the newer ATI cards and preferably lets me just clip my HDDs in (that exists, right?)
Thanks
Thanks
Minsc
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Amir0x said:
Heh, your primary hard disk is a Intel SSD though, those typically score in the high 7s. I wouldn't worry, that windows score thingy is all sorts of broken at best.
Run Crystal Mark benches if you're at all worried, but I'd just ignore that HDD result (it is actually sorta neat to see a normal HDD lose by a factor of over 20x in read/write tests).
Minsc said:Rathering than continuing my editing, here's a new post with the strongest graph you can find for the case of a i7 980X:
I've been trying out a copy of this and it only maxes out one of my 4 cores. The other 3 are around 50%. I'd think it should max everything, but I'm not sure if I'm running it right. I am getting some sort of error when I start it up, though, so that may be something.
BravoSuperStar
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My intel 80gb ssd gets a 7.8 in the windows performance test. You might want to make sure your mobo's storage drivers are installed, Amirox.
Minsc
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Phloxy said:
I've never had a problem with the USB external ones... work well enough, plus they are plug and play, no taking apart PCs or rebooting.
BravoSuperStar said:
My Intel SSD got 7.8 as well, for a few weeks. Now it's a 5.9, but benches right in line with where it should be according to Crystal Mark. I've seen countless reports of the GPU score being weird as well, the WEI scores are sorta flakely.
rohlfinator
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Do you guys have your SSDs connected to your first SATA port? Maybe it just benchmarks the drive at port 0.
(I'm getting a 7.4 with my OCZ Agility, fwiw.)
(I'm getting a 7.4 with my OCZ Agility, fwiw.)
So far, so good, $328 of my $750 budget gone (tax and rebate included).
Fry's Bundle
CPU: i7-930
Mobo: MSI X58 Pro-E
It's a pretty good mobo with decent reviews, and the bundle is especially great for that price. It doesn't have any USB 3.0; but then, I haven't even had a computer with USB 2.0 yet, so I can probably live without.
I found a decent review / overclocking guide for this combo as well.
So we're moving right along, now.
Still gonna need RAM, video card, HDD, disc drive, PSU, case, but that's a start.
Fry's has these on rebate / sale this week as well...
I had previously had my eye on that combo case / PSU in the 2010 Tech Report "Utility Player" build, but I can't seem to find it in stock at retail or at a decent price online.
Fry's Bundle
CPU: i7-930
Mobo: MSI X58 Pro-E
It's a pretty good mobo with decent reviews, and the bundle is especially great for that price. It doesn't have any USB 3.0; but then, I haven't even had a computer with USB 2.0 yet, so I can probably live without.
I found a decent review / overclocking guide for this combo as well.
So we're moving right along, now.
Still gonna need RAM, video card, HDD, disc drive, PSU, case, but that's a start.
Fry's has these on rebate / sale this week as well...
I had previously had my eye on that combo case / PSU in the 2010 Tech Report "Utility Player" build, but I can't seem to find it in stock at retail or at a decent price online.
TouchMyBox
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Boonoo said:
It's probably using the TF2 version of the source-engine then. Damn tf2, can't run well on even the most impressive of cpus you throw at it.
JayDubya said:So far, so good, $328 of my $750 budget gone (tax and rebate included).
Fry's Bundle
CPU: i7-930
Mobo: MSI X58 Pro-E
It's a pretty good mobo with decent reviews, and the bundle is especially great for that price. It doesn't have any USB 3.0; but then, I haven't even had a computer with USB 2.0 yet, so I can probably live without.
I found a decent review / overclocking guide for this combo as well.
Isn't that a very large chunk of your budget to be spending on cpu/mobo alone?
As per your edit, if you do get that case for $17, it's starting to appear feasible. Though I steer clear from Thermaltake PSUs after one took out one of my buddy's entire rig almost (cpu, mobo, ram)
BravoSuperStar
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Minsc said:
This is true, my ATI 5850 was scoring like 5.5 until the 10.2 drivers. As long as Crystal disk is reporting accurate numbers I wouldn't worry to much about the WEI score.
rohlfinator said:
Yes mine is in SATA port 0, Gigabyte board, AMD 780g chipset.
TouchMyBox said:
Maybe. It's also a $140 discount (after taxes) off the Newegg price for those items individually, and it's basically the utility player build.
Throw in one or two more good sales and I'll make it just under budget.
I need some aid in making the remainder of the decisions, and I'm receptive to just taking these back too, but this was a good deal and I didn't want to lose the opportunity. I can always take it back, but you can't get the deal after it's over.
That case looks like crap, imo, but if it's big enough to hold the parts, then it'll do for now. It's so cheap that I could upgrade without pause later should the internals become too big for those britches.
I haven't bought anything else yet...
Also, one good thing about the mobo is that it's triple channel. But I guess that means I'll definitely need to go 6 GB of RAM to start with if I want to reap the benefits... Granted, this is just one more thing I could upgrade later as well... Seriously, this thing in front of me has 512 MB of RAM - it'll be nice to be able to have firefox + something else open for a change.
JayDubya said:So far, so good, $328 of my $750 budget gone (tax and rebate included).
Fry's Bundle
CPU: i7-930
Mobo: MSI X58 Pro-E
It's a pretty good mobo with decent reviews, and the bundle is especially great for that price. It doesn't have any USB 3.0; but then, I haven't even had a computer with USB 2.0 yet, so I can probably live without.
I was going to buy this on Sunday but Frys ran out of the processor and it doesn't look like they are going to get anymore before the sale runs out. I"m quite pissed.
Well, if I've truly committed to this, I probably need to either scrounge up another $100 somewhere to get more optimal performance and best use the options in front of me, or to stick to it and get ruthless about where corners can be cut. Or hell, just take these back and start over - there is another good sale over at Microcenter, $35 bundle with any AMD processor and any compatible Motherboard.
No matter which way, I'd need advice, and ideally in the next few days, because I have to mail this rebate in soon if I'm going to stick with this.
No matter which way, I'd need advice, and ideally in the next few days, because I have to mail this rebate in soon if I'm going to stick with this.
All their builds are all around solid. You can of course choose to skimp on 1 or 2 parts to fit your needs but they deliver every time. (Funny thing is nothing changed for Econobox or Utility player since March :lol )TurtleSnatcher said:These tech report builds seem so expensive even for a mid range at 900 bucks
Great all around PC. If you are only interested in gaming performance in the next year or so and don't mind not having near top of the line now the econobox is amazing value. Just pop in another 2GB and a 5770 for $100 more and you have a great machine. (Still talking 45-60fps high/max settings in most games today)PistolPete said:
I'm still holding out for the next value card with my GTX 260, no reason for me to upgrade yet. Crysis 2 is not out till November
Microcenter for the CPU. They usually have $ off.
You're going to find it difficult to build a computer if you need everything (psu, case, ram, harddrive, optical drives, video card, cpu, motherboard) for $750 if you go for an i7/i5JayDubya said:
Since you already bought it though, I'd just try and find some way to stay cheap... and scrounge up a little more money.
Amir0x said:
try CrystalDiskMark
run it when you have no other (disk-heavy) programs running in the background
your results should be something around this (from their website)
I scored pretty close to that as well on a Dell XPS1330 laptop with x25mg2 80g, and my windows score is 7.something as well (you can also rerun your windows experience test and see if that changes anything ;] )
edit: to the guy above me; yeah they're expensive, but if you do any kind of "office" type of work or graphical stuff, basically lots of different programs to open they make the experience so much smoother. Was at my cousin last xmas, and his watercooled i5 with sli etc felt so much slower than my laptop while just browsing and chatting etc, it really is a whole different experience and makes much more difference than any cpu-upgrade could do for any use outside of gaming and extreme rendering. Hell it finally made dualcore/multiple core cpu's worth it as I now can finally do stuff simultaneously, instead of heaving my cores waiting on some bottleneck hdd
Do you guys have any suggestions for a good mouse? My current one (Microsoft Wireless Laser Mouse 5000) is starting to die on me I think.
My requirements:
-wireless
-fast enough for gaming (I don't really care about extra buttons or other extraneous stuff though)
-nice looking
I've heard Logitech makes some good mice, but most of them that I've looked at are pretty fugly. I've also been looking at those new MS BlueTrack mice, but I dunno how much of a difference that tech would have using it on a mouse pad. Having a charger would be nice too, but I've heard some of them are somewhat flaky. If sticking with rechargeable AAs is a better option I'll stick with that.
My requirements:
-wireless
-fast enough for gaming (I don't really care about extra buttons or other extraneous stuff though)
-nice looking
I've heard Logitech makes some good mice, but most of them that I've looked at are pretty fugly. I've also been looking at those new MS BlueTrack mice, but I dunno how much of a difference that tech would have using it on a mouse pad. Having a charger would be nice too, but I've heard some of them are somewhat flaky. If sticking with rechargeable AAs is a better option I'll stick with that.
TurtleSnatcher
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G9? Thats what I use at work. Its great.. Even includes weights.Pringo said:
Just took a look at the G9 and...outside of being a fast gaming mouse it looks like the exact opposite of what I'm looking for. Is there even a wireless version of it because I'm not seeing one on their site?TurtleSnatcher said:
Oh, I'd like to add that I'd like to try to keep the cost down a bit too. I think 74.99 GBP is a bit excessive for a mouse. I think $50ish is more around my speed (unless the more expensive mice are going to have noticeable gains I guess).
http://store.razerzone.com/store/razerusa/DisplayHomePagePringo said:
Razer has some nice mice. I use the Deathadder personally. Quality mice with a smaller form factor without too many extraneous bells and whistles. And they look fuckin sharp too
TurtleSnatcher
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Oh whoops totally didnt see the wireless.. 3:41am argh.Pringo said:
BudokaiMR2
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TurtleSnatcher said:
I guess you are talking about prebuilt machines? I got a great deal on a refurbished Acer aspire model not that long ago.
I was planning on building my own before I found it, and in some ways I do regret it. Overall I am extremely happy with the PC and it's performance, but there are small nitpicks. I am having problems getting 5.1 audio because it for some reason is lacking an optical out(for fucks sake even the two systems have that now
)) and the BIOS is locked which means I might have to take my luck with a modified BIOS.It's just small things like this which you avoid when you build it yourself. Now I am probably going to have to buy a soundcard and install it to fix my audio issues.
Mithos
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Picked up a new computer the other week...
Threw out my (poff your gone):
Cpu: Core 2 duo, E4500 2.2ghz
Mobo: Asus P5B P965 S-775
Ram: HyperX 2 gb ram DDR2
Gpu: Radeon 2400pro
Case/PSU: Antec Sonata III 500
Hdd: Western Digital Caviar SE ATA
Dvd: Optiarc DVD±R/RW DL 20x ATA
Lcd: Some 17" Philips Lcd
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Running Windows XP Pro 32bit
Replaced with (yay you're in):
Cpu: Intel i7 930 2.8GHZ 8MB S-1366
Mobo: Asus P6T Deluxe V2 X58 S-1366 ATX
Ram: Corsair 6GB DDR3 XMS3 Intel i7 9XX PC10666 1333MHZ (3X2GB)
Gpu: Asus Radeon HD5770 1GB DDR5 PCI-E VGA/DVI/HDMI (may not be the very best of the best, but much better then 2400pro ;p)
Psu: Cooler Master Silent Pro ATX12V 2.3 850W
Dvd: Samsung DVD±R/RW/RAM DL 22X SATA
Hdd: Western Digital Caviar Green 1TB SATA/300 32MB
Case: ACE Midtower Game Edge 990 ATX BLACK
Lcd: BenQ E2220HD 22# TFT FULL-HD
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Running Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit.
Getting kinda same results at others in WEI.
Damn that Primary Harddrive >_<
Threw out my (poff your gone):
Cpu: Core 2 duo, E4500 2.2ghz
Mobo: Asus P5B P965 S-775
Ram: HyperX 2 gb ram DDR2
Gpu: Radeon 2400pro
Case/PSU: Antec Sonata III 500
Hdd: Western Digital Caviar SE ATA
Dvd: Optiarc DVD±R/RW DL 20x ATA
Lcd: Some 17" Philips Lcd
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Running Windows XP Pro 32bit
Replaced with (yay you're in):
Cpu: Intel i7 930 2.8GHZ 8MB S-1366
Mobo: Asus P6T Deluxe V2 X58 S-1366 ATX
Ram: Corsair 6GB DDR3 XMS3 Intel i7 9XX PC10666 1333MHZ (3X2GB)
Gpu: Asus Radeon HD5770 1GB DDR5 PCI-E VGA/DVI/HDMI (may not be the very best of the best, but much better then 2400pro ;p)
Psu: Cooler Master Silent Pro ATX12V 2.3 850W
Dvd: Samsung DVD±R/RW/RAM DL 22X SATA
Hdd: Western Digital Caviar Green 1TB SATA/300 32MB
Case: ACE Midtower Game Edge 990 ATX BLACK
Lcd: BenQ E2220HD 22# TFT FULL-HD
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Running Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit.
Getting kinda same results at others in WEI.
Damn that Primary Harddrive >_<
Deus Ex Machina
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CPU: Phenom 955 3.8GHz
M/B: MSI 790FX-GD70
RAM: OCZ 8GB DDR3-1600
GPU: Sapphire HD 5870
Hdd: VelociRaptor 300GB
Case: Solano 1000
PSU: In Win Commander 750W
Cooling: Corsair Hydro H50 Liquid cooling
Sound: Realtek ALC888 8-channel audio
Monitor: Samsung 2343BWX
OS: Windows Seven x64
M/B: MSI 790FX-GD70
RAM: OCZ 8GB DDR3-1600
GPU: Sapphire HD 5870
Hdd: VelociRaptor 300GB
Case: Solano 1000
PSU: In Win Commander 750W
Cooling: Corsair Hydro H50 Liquid cooling
Sound: Realtek ALC888 8-channel audio
Monitor: Samsung 2343BWX
OS: Windows Seven x64