I play SC2 and the FF14 beta on a 24" dell and they both look very nicezlatko said:I have a question for you guys again.
So I'm slowly coming to the realization that I'm just not going to find a better deal than that Dell 7100. I have my sights settled on it. I was going to bundle in and add a monitor and speakers, but I figured I have friends with extras or I could always find them for way cheaper on even Amazon or newegg.
My question is monitor related. What size monitor will I want for the two games I care about the most for this PC to be doing on max which is Star Craft 2 and FFXIV. I'm guessing it has to be at least 23 inches?
-
Hey Guest. Check out your NeoGAF Wrapped 2025 results here!
"I need a new PC!" 2010 Edition
- Thread starter Spy
- Start date
Well the 5770 I listed as an option is there, but $30 more after rebate. Certainly not a bad choice.Blackface said:
The x2 255 I have to disagree with. Both are Athlon II's and it's only 3.1 Ghz vs 2.9Ghz and that is not a large margin at all. Even if it were 3.4Ghz I'd take the quad since running at 2.9Ghz will serve games just fine (You'll be GPU limited anyway) and the extra cores can make the difference as time goes on. imo it's not a good buy at all to get a dual core right now when some games are actually making use of 4 cores.
I bought a E7200 instead of a Q6600 and I wouldn't have to look at possibly upgrading in a few months if I had gotten a quad back then. (Note of course I am running the E7200 @ 3.8Ghz and the Q6600 would have been at 3.2-3.6Ghz)
22" - 24"zlatko said:I have a question for you guys again.
So I'm slowly coming to the realization that I'm just not going to find a better deal than that Dell 7100. I have my sights settled on it. I was going to bundle in and add a monitor and speakers, but I figured I have friends with extras or I could always find them for way cheaper on even Amazon or newegg.
My question is monitor related. What size monitor will I want for the two games I care about the most for this PC to be doing on max which is Star Craft 2 and FFXIV. I'm guessing it has to be at least 23 inches?
1920x1080 or 1920x1200.
Hawk269
Member
I received an expense payout from work that I had forgetten about..apparently it got lost, I forgot and well, I had an extra $600.00...so being that I just built my rig (or a friend did), I wanted to invest in the PC...so I asked alot of folks in the short time and here is what I added to the system.
4 additional gigs of Ram
Windows 7 Ultimate Edition (64bit)
a 2nd 460 Graphics card.
I know I am going way overboard, but I had the money and it has been a VERY long time that I bought something for myself...short story is that a good friend, his wife and 2 young kids fell on hard times and they have been living with me...so expenses is alot higher and I have been saving for something for me...so what the hell...I splurged.
So anything special I need to know about running SLI?
4 additional gigs of Ram
Windows 7 Ultimate Edition (64bit)
a 2nd 460 Graphics card.
I know I am going way overboard, but I had the money and it has been a VERY long time that I bought something for myself...short story is that a good friend, his wife and 2 young kids fell on hard times and they have been living with me...so expenses is alot higher and I have been saving for something for me...so what the hell...I splurged.
So anything special I need to know about running SLI?
Only works in fullscreen. Other than that... should mostly be ok? I haven't dabbled in it myself.Hawk269 said:
I also would sell/return the additional 4GB of RAM since it will do nothing for you and instead grab an SSD if possible. Win 7 Ultimate probably isn't worth buying either (Unless you use its advanced features?)
SSD. Get one.
Download GPU-Z or CPU-Z and check if it is running at 16x PCI-E bandwidth. 8x2 (PCI-E 2.0 is also ok)Branson said:
Try reinstalling the drivers following drivers sweeper's directions.
Also check:
1) GPU 6 pins are plugged in (2)
2) Mobo 4/8 pin power is plugged in (Separate from giant 20+4 pin)
3) PCI-E card is secure in slot
evil solrac v3.0
Member
ChoklitReign said:
if you can't afford it, then wait until you can you freaking moron, congrats jackass, we've had this thread for three years running and you it's first and (hopefully) only troll. good grief.
evil solrac v3.0
Member
SamuraiX- said:
don't know if you got your question answered but I had a cyberpowerpc for a year or so, and while i was generally pleased with their build quality (wasn't perfect but good) the customer service blows. tech support isn't too good either.
NCIX builds for you for 50 USD dollars. don't know the Canadian prize.
So alright... spoke with the duded I bought me pc from and he is very regretful over all the trouble I've had with some of the components and the store who is supposed to give me correct/working components back. So he's offered to give me a 100$ refund towards a new gpu, and selling one of my two gts 250s I'll end up with :
phenom x3 720 Black edition - nothing wrong with it
4gb of corsair dominatorram - new
gigabyte OC 460 gtx 1gb - new
gainward gts 250 PhysX - new
Asus m4n82 deluxe - nothing wrong with it
650 corsair psu - nothing wrong
500gb hdd - nope, nothing wrong.
for 500$, and now all the components are either replaced or proven to work by stress-testprograms and the like.
Sigh, I just want my pc to work! Only one piece of the puzzle left and that's the 460, should have it by the end of the week.
edit : also to the dude whining about hazaro and brainstew, seriously get real. These guys are taking their time and help pc-handicapped people llike me with all kinds of problems and inquiries all the fucking time free of charge and you have the balls to say that the parts they recommend are way too costly? Maybe they should just recommend i3s and 5570s or even integrated shit while they're at it ey? Sheesh
phenom x3 720 Black edition - nothing wrong with it
4gb of corsair dominatorram - new
gigabyte OC 460 gtx 1gb - new
gainward gts 250 PhysX - new
Asus m4n82 deluxe - nothing wrong with it
650 corsair psu - nothing wrong
500gb hdd - nope, nothing wrong.
for 500$, and now all the components are either replaced or proven to work by stress-testprograms and the like.
Sigh, I just want my pc to work! Only one piece of the puzzle left and that's the 460, should have it by the end of the week.
edit : also to the dude whining about hazaro and brainstew, seriously get real. These guys are taking their time and help pc-handicapped people llike me with all kinds of problems and inquiries all the fucking time free of charge and you have the balls to say that the parts they recommend are way too costly? Maybe they should just recommend i3s and 5570s or even integrated shit while they're at it ey? Sheesh
Hey kids, time for another Corkys Crazy Question-Hour, YAAAAAAY!
1.) I'm thinking about how to approach the store who sent me back my broken GPU claiming it in fact was not broken stating :
" Dear customer
We ran :
Furmark - 2h
Unigine - 2h
And we could not find any problems, we even tried out your suggested OCCT and even there we couldn't find any problems [[BULL FUCKING SHIT the second I got the card I ran two OCCT gpu tests and both of them gave me 10k + errors ]]."
What I want to know is ... Is the reason of running furmark to see if the GPU crashes? I mean OCCT has an error-count, but furmark only seem to keep track of the temp.
I mean a healthy card should get 0 errors in occt I reckon, but a semi-defect card could theoretically run furmark for a while without crashing right?
Thanks again, yours truly
1.) I'm thinking about how to approach the store who sent me back my broken GPU claiming it in fact was not broken stating :
" Dear customer
We ran :
Furmark - 2h
Unigine - 2h
And we could not find any problems, we even tried out your suggested OCCT and even there we couldn't find any problems [[BULL FUCKING SHIT the second I got the card I ran two OCCT gpu tests and both of them gave me 10k + errors ]]."
What I want to know is ... Is the reason of running furmark to see if the GPU crashes? I mean OCCT has an error-count, but furmark only seem to keep track of the temp.
I mean a healthy card should get 0 errors in occt I reckon, but a semi-defect card could theoretically run furmark for a while without crashing right?
Thanks again, yours truly
Thanks for the heads up on the monitors. A new question formed in my head though as I looked through the newegg link for monitors.
Could I just use my HDTV instead? I looked on the back where all the inputs go to this 32' HDTV and it has a VGA slot, etc so I know it can be used as the monitor and the speaker source.
Will it distort the image ? Also when I tried to play PS2 games on it a while back for the first time it just uses the center of the screen to play it on and the rest of it is black. The problem with this was the box it made for the game in the center started to become burned into the TV. I think it took like a week after I completed Persona 4 for the lines to fully go away. I'm worried since I plan to play FFXIV and SC2 probably 5 hours a day most likely that it would perma burn the square in the center if the way it displays computer resolution doesn't max out the TV space alloted.
Could I just use my HDTV instead? I looked on the back where all the inputs go to this 32' HDTV and it has a VGA slot, etc so I know it can be used as the monitor and the speaker source.
Will it distort the image ? Also when I tried to play PS2 games on it a while back for the first time it just uses the center of the screen to play it on and the rest of it is black. The problem with this was the box it made for the game in the center started to become burned into the TV. I think it took like a week after I completed Persona 4 for the lines to fully go away. I'm worried since I plan to play FFXIV and SC2 probably 5 hours a day most likely that it would perma burn the square in the center if the way it displays computer resolution doesn't max out the TV space alloted.
IrishNinja
Member
ok, GAF...little more laptop help.
i mostly wanna read comics, play old emulators and steam games on it, but i like the option of possibly playing TF2, L4D2 and future stuff like fallout: new vegas, diablo 3 (whenever), bioshock infinite etc, and since best buy does no interest for 18 months, i'm looking at this one.
+'s
-big ass screen (my vision sucks:lol )
-that looks like a solid video card, not sure about shaders? i think i want the one with the bigger gee bees, and has the wifis.
-i like the HDD size (i know i can toss an external/etc on anyway)
-good amount of RAM
-'s
-i'm a noob here: is that processor good? i think i need a dualcore and i dont think this is that.
-reviews say the sound sucks, but that's usually true for laptop speakers, yeah? i figure ill have headsets or mebbe grab some decent speakers if that?
-i dont know if they're ever gonna carry it again? if they had it refurbished, id take that if i could get a service plan on it, unless that's usually not a good idea?
what do you guys think?
i mostly wanna read comics, play old emulators and steam games on it, but i like the option of possibly playing TF2, L4D2 and future stuff like fallout: new vegas, diablo 3 (whenever), bioshock infinite etc, and since best buy does no interest for 18 months, i'm looking at this one.
+'s
-big ass screen (my vision sucks:lol )
-that looks like a solid video card, not sure about shaders? i think i want the one with the bigger gee bees, and has the wifis.
-i like the HDD size (i know i can toss an external/etc on anyway)
-good amount of RAM
-'s
-i'm a noob here: is that processor good? i think i need a dualcore and i dont think this is that.
-reviews say the sound sucks, but that's usually true for laptop speakers, yeah? i figure ill have headsets or mebbe grab some decent speakers if that?
-i dont know if they're ever gonna carry it again? if they had it refurbished, id take that if i could get a service plan on it, unless that's usually not a good idea?
what do you guys think?
IrishNinja
Member
i see - but i can run them on decent res with decent settings then, yeah? if they dont look as sharp as they could on my desktop, i think i can make peace with that.
looked it up, and that processor's a dual core indeed. now my only (current) concern is that it's sold out online and not for sale at like any stores around me.
looked it up, and that processor's a dual core indeed. now my only (current) concern is that it's sold out online and not for sale at like any stores around me.
brain_stew
Member
SamuraiX- said:
Go to ncixus.com
brain_stew
Member
Corky said:
You shouldn't even need to prove the card is faulty as they didn't send you a proper replacement. Say that you sent them a GTS 250 that supported SLI and that they sent you one back that didn't. It was a product not fit for the purpose of which it was sold and in most countries (certainly anywhere in the EU) that's against consumer law.
You're entitled to either a full refund or suitable replacement (which this wasn't) under EU consumer law if a product is faulty (which the original card was), its your choice not theirs.
brain_stew
Member
zlatko said:
Of course you can use your HDTV, heck you'd be crazy not to.
Don't use VGA either, use HDMI and 1:1 map @ 1080p.
Blackface said:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/122?vs=120
is a dual core Phenom faster in most current games? yes
will you notice it? Only when playing on 640*480 so you're CPU bottlenecked to the max (and even then only by looking at the framerate counter :lol )
Arkham Asylum (Unreal Engine) is already almost equal, and I assume that the Dragon Age Origins bench is a good indication of a multicore-loving game ... which I hope we'll see more of in the future
So dual core might be somewhat faster for most present games, quad cores are very likely to be faster in future games.
In both cases the GPU will be the bottleneck anyway, but when it's the CPU the advantages for the dual cores are relatively small (determined by clockspeed basically) whereas in multicore benches/games the potential quadcore advantages are freakin huge (has twice the amount of theoretical processing power!)
as for overclocking, grab a Scythe Mugen 2 Rev B. for $~30. My Athlon II X4 635 is doing 3.5 ghz, which more or less seems to be around their max looking around the net. Phenom II X2/3/4's will go quite a bit higher (3.8ish at least), so in that regard you could spend some more for a Phenom (but I'd only buy an X2 if I'm certain it can be unlocked to an X4
)brain_stew said:
I have an extra HDMI cord too so that solves that problem. Do all PCs come with this option ready? I'm not sure where to read if it has that. Here's the PC:
http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=dxdwds4&c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19
Specs are in the lower right or you can just click review and add to cart to see them.
I love that this is an option too, because it saves me some money on getting a monitor and speaker set up, and allows me to play from the comfort of my lazy boy recliner.
I have a small table that comes right to arm rest to put the mouse on and the keyboard can rest in my lap. I'll be living every geek mans dream of comfort and nerding. PjotrStroganov
Member
I'd spend some time calibrating the screen when using HDMI. I can make quite a difference.
IrishNinja
Member
hey brain stew (& others) - thoughts on that laptop? ive never had one before, much less run games on them, just wondering if there's anything else i should know about (shaders, etc?).
brain_stew
Member
zlatko said:I have an extra HDMI cord too so that solves that problem. Do all PCs come with this option ready? I'm not sure where to read if it has that. Here's the PC:
http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=dxdwds4&c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19
Specs are in the lower right or you can just click review and add to cart to see them.
I love that this is an option too, because it saves me some money on getting a monitor and speaker set up, and allows me to play from the comfort of my lazy boy recliner.
That PC has native HDMI out (which supports full 7.1 audio to boot) and even if it didn't a simple HDMI-DVI dongle would do the trick.
You'll find most of PC GAF have our PCs hooked upto a HDTV of some sort.
Corky said:
Definitely, stuff like Starcraft 2, Civ 5 and the FF14 beta are attracting a lot of the typical console exclusive crowd over and then you have stuff like the Mafia 2 demo which is really starting to show how wide the gap is getting. These are games that released "once a generation" and with a bunch of them coming at once and their being no new hardware to purchase in console land, well its no surprise people are making the switch at this point.
brain_stew
Member
IrishNinja said:
I think you can do better for the money, the 5650 is faster than the 330M and that's available in plenty ~$800 laptops.
By the looks of things you'll be using this as more of a desktop replacement, right?
These are some of your options for notebooks with a more capable GPU in the same price range:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834115796
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834101230
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834115792
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834157298
Corky said:
Probably due to the 2 big games: Starcraft 2 and Final Fantasy XIV. It's why I came in here for help.
@brainstew: Thank you! That covers all my PC dilemma woes. Just a matter now of ordering it which will most likely be tomorrow.
When the PC arrives I'll put up some blurry webcam pics and give shout out thanks.
brain_stew said:
Yeah, this seems to be the case. Given that the ms/sony/nin seem to be adamant to have this generation be as looong as possible, the gap will be even bigger than usual ( pc contra console that is ) in the near future.
God I have soo many gems to play.
PjotrStroganov
Member
Corky said:
If only you had a trouble free PC:lol
BigBlackGamer
Member
I feel your pain corky. I had to RMA a 5870. kinda have to take your lumps when it comes to building a PC. it sucks. 
If you're dead-set on getting your laptop from Best Buy, IrishNinja, then I think that looks pretty good for the price. Read more about the video card here.
http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GT-330M.22437.0.html
And note that the laptops brain_stew linked to have a 5650 that's a lot higher in the Notebookcheck rankings than the 330M.
http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GT-330M.22437.0.html
And note that the laptops brain_stew linked to have a 5650 that's a lot higher in the Notebookcheck rankings than the 330M.
BigBlackGamer said:I feel your pain corky. I had to RMA a 5870. kinda have to take your lumps when it comes to building a PC. it sucks.
aye
BUT! I SHALL persevere!
*counts the hours until the store opens monday morning*
*rocks back and forth in the corner*
It's gon' be aaaaaaaalriiiight
IrishNinja
Member
brain_stew said:
hey, thanks man. not so much...thing is, im at work more than home these days, and like i said, i expect my desktop at home to be more high-end/run newer games better...this is just something to play games & read books/comics in between calls at work, mostly.
a few of those links look damn fine...crap, it's just gonna take me a lot longer to save up for, as i was really hoping to pull something off with best buy & their 0% interest rate sooner than later.
thing is, their other gaming laptops seem way more overpriced and the ones with the screen size im relatively looking for, dont seem to offer much more with video memory. i dont know if they get any better around black friday, but either way, waiting would help me potentially save up for one of the newegg ones.
crap, i totally wanted one next month too.
*edit: thanks Curufinwe, going through that page right now. good looking out.
Hazaro said:
Precisely where I'm at. Had I known this generation was going to play out like it did, I would have bought the Q6600 instead of the E6750. I was planning on both struggling hard after 3 years and the dual core was the superior option at the time.
Now? With this gen having no end in sight and some games using four quads? Not so great. It really annoys me that my options are spending i5760 money on a Penryn or scrapping everything in my system. Penryn is my decision. It also annoys me because I'm not convinced these games are really using 4 cores. Part of me thinks it's just sloppy console ports that are just using more threads because that's what 360 does (even though a dual core absolutely rapes the 360 processor). Either way, that's the reality. Dual core is outdated. And I guess I can't complain because this CPU upgrade will give the computer another 3 years and it's definitely cheaper than a complete rebuild I was expecting.
ChoklitReign said:
If money is tight and you're doing this in the next two months (and not one day), you have no excuse to not bookmark Slickdeals.net forums. If you have a general parts list and have brand flexibility, you can really slice $$$ off the total by pouncing when a great deal pops up (which is pretty frequent).
Zaraki_Kenpachi
Member
IrishNinja said:hey, thanks man. not so much...thing is, im at work more than home these days, and like i said, i expect my desktop at home to be more high-end/run newer games better...this is just something to play games & read books/comics in between calls at work, mostly.
a few of those links look damn fine...crap, it's just gonna take me a lot longer to save up for, as i was really hoping to pull something off with best buy & their 0% interest rate sooner than later.
i dont know if they get any better around black friday, but either way, waiting would help me potentially save up for one of the newegg ones.crap, i totally wanted one next month too.
*edit: thanks Curufinwe, going through that page right now. good looking out.
Well, what kind of games do you want to or usually play as a quick pickup game? That will be easier to recommend a GPU that you can play those games if you're expecting to play newer releases on it.
IrishNinja
Member
Zaraki_Kenpachi said:
that's the thing - a lotta times, its older emulators or steam stuff that's not overly demanding (looking to grab L4D2, TF2, few others on the next sale), but id like to be able to run Fallout: New Vegas, Diablo 3, Bioshock Infinite etc in the future...and again, im accepting that they'll be way better on my desktop/HDTV at home, but the option of playing them (hopefully on medium settings? not sure if im pushing my luck here since the specs arent out yet) is something i'd dig.
for L4D2 & TF2 though, yeah, pickup games with the GAF group @ steam would be awesome.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
Member
IrishNinja said:
Ya, you'll probably need something along what Brain Stew was recommending then.
O.k gaf, last question before I order my super rig of doom 2.0
I'm getting the
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119225&cm_re=haf_x-_-11-119-225-_-Product
COOLER MASTER HAF X RC-942
Gonna be running 480's in sli with a third card for physx and 3d use.
What aftermarket fans should I buy to improve the cooling for this tower? I already picked out the 3d card slot fan, its the rest I need help with.
I'm getting the
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119225&cm_re=haf_x-_-11-119-225-_-Product
COOLER MASTER HAF X RC-942
Gonna be running 480's in sli with a third card for physx and 3d use.
What aftermarket fans should I buy to improve the cooling for this tower? I already picked out the 3d card slot fan, its the rest I need help with.
BigBlackGamer
Member
I have the same case. just buy a 200mm fan for the top and you should be good. Cooler Master has there fancy red or blue 200mm fan for about 15$
by default the HAF X moves tons of air but only comes with 1 200mm fan at the top. slap another one on and you should be good to go.
by default the HAF X moves tons of air but only comes with 1 200mm fan at the top. slap another one on and you should be good to go.
this seems like a good place to ask.
currently my rig is running on a GeForce 8800 GT. it plays Source games pretty well, but other stuff (Stalker, FF14, ME2 Demo) suck on it. obviously time for a new card. I'm looking to get something around $100 so I know it will be fairly old. I was looking at a 9800 GT, Radeon 5670 and Radeon 4770 (I'm pretty sure these will fit onto my motherboard)
currently my rig is running on a GeForce 8800 GT. it plays Source games pretty well, but other stuff (Stalker, FF14, ME2 Demo) suck on it. obviously time for a new card. I'm looking to get something around $100 so I know it will be fairly old. I was looking at a 9800 GT, Radeon 5670 and Radeon 4770 (I'm pretty sure these will fit onto my motherboard)
None of those cards are really an upgrade from your 8800GT so no go for $100 unless you are looking at the ASUS 4870 on newegg ($105 after rebate).ILikeFeet said:
Used GTX260 and 4870 slot around that price range if you are interested.
Stalker is intensive, FF14 runs like ass (also very cpu dependent: Quad), and ME2 I dunno, but that should be ok.
IrishNinja
Member
Zaraki_Kenpachi said:
yeah, kinda feared that...i expect the best buy one to do just fine for current games (my steam list, L4D2 etc) but for future stuff, what im reading from this thread makes that 5650 sound like a significant jump over the 330M in terms of running future games. looking at the first link brain stew provided:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834101230
$100 less for basically the same specs but the superior 5650 card...think im gonna save up for this one! ill also run the model through notebookcheck and find reviews/etc, hate to have something i forgot to consider bite me in the ass later. just to check, though...im looking at the other links stew put up:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834115792
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834157298
for my purposes, im not seeing much more they offer for the money - just want to make sure im investing in something that'd fit my goals better than something only slightly more expensive.
Anyone has that awesome page with all the year pc releases? I had it bookmarked but can't find it now.
I am downloading and doing backups for all my awesome games from steam and wanted to buy (digital if possible) a few more so when my PC arrives on Monday I can test it with as much games as I can, so I need recommendations.
Thanks!
I am downloading and doing backups for all my awesome games from steam and wanted to buy (digital if possible) a few more so when my PC arrives on Monday I can test it with as much games as I can, so I need recommendations.
Thanks!
undu
Member
I use eurogamer's lists to know game releases, althoug they aren't always accurate.
http://www.eurogamer.net/releases.php?platform=pc
http://www.eurogamer.net/releases.php?platform=pc