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i5 760 it is. He's looking mostly at SC2 and WoW atm, so a faster Quad should benefit him a lot more than the X6.

Any recommended motherboard atm? Probably going to be going Gigabyte or Asus, but there are so many damn models nowadays. Seems to be around 5-6 different lines of mobos. I probably will try to go for a 4.0GHz overclock, keeping that in mind.

As SLI/Crossfire is of no concern, this one is looking really good:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...cm_re=1156_motherboard-_-13-131-620-_-Product

Any input?
 
Well I decided to buy myself a new laptop this year and since I may eventually buy myself a smaller laptop in the future I figured why not go for a gaming notebook. I just ordered the MSI GX660R-060US today.
Here is what it looks like:
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Intel Core i7-740QM, 1.73GHz , 6GB DDR3 RAM, 640GB Hard Drive (7200RPM),ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB DDR5 VRAM,Dynaudio Premium Sound
Window 7 HP 64bit, 15.6 Inch Full HD,16:9, 1920x1080 LCD Panel, HD Webcam
BluRay BD Combo, 720P HD Webcam
2 x USB 2.0, 2 x USB 3.0, Wireless 802.11 b/g/n, 4 IN 1 (SD/MMC/MS/XD), HDMI-out, Bluetooth
 
Final list for my cousin's PC (Canadian prices ;_;):

It will be built at PCCyber, who have decent prices. On the upside, they'll charge nothing for installation and should be able to run a 4.0GHz overclock for free (which saves me a few hours research/effort).

Case:
Antec Three Hundred
http://pccyber.com/?v=Product&i=CC-ANTEC-THREE+HUNDRED
$58.78

PSU:
Corsair 650TX
http://pccyber.com/?v=Product&i=PS-COR-CMPSU-650TX
$107.77

Motherboard:
Asus P7P55D-E LX
http://pccyber.com/?v=Product&i=MB-AS-P7P55D-E-LX
$141.77

CPU:
Intel Core i5 750
http://pccyber.com/?v=Product&i=CPU-BX80605I5760
$209.77

RAM:
G.Skill DDR3-1600 4GB
http://pccyber.com/?v=Product&i=RAM-GS-F3-12800CL9D-4GB
$99.77

Videocard:
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 460 1GB DDR5
http://pccyber.com/?v=Product&i=VC-GB-GV-N460OC-1GI
$239.77

Hard Drive:
WD Caviar Black 1TB SATA III
http://pccyber.com/?v=Product&i=HD-WD1002FAEX
$85.77

DVD Drive:
Asus 24X DVD-RW SATA
http://pccyber.com/?v=Product&i=DVDRW-AS-DRW-24B1ST/B
$31.77

TOWER TOTAL: $975.17


Mouse:
Logitech MX518
http://accessories.dell.com/sna/pro...tdetail.aspx?c=ca&l=en&cs=cadhs1&sku=A0716074
$54.99

Keyboard:
$15 (generic keyboard, whatever)

Monitor:
Acer V243
http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/prod...screen-lcd-monitor-with-2ms-response-time-et-

fv3hp-a02-black-et-fv3hp-a02/10150857.aspx?path=93285ea860b91a8a24991cece22af4eden02
$217.99


TOTAL:
$1263.15

TAX:
$164.21

GRAND TOTAL:
$1427.36

Any thoughts?

edit: I think I'll switch the case to a HAF 922. Seems to be a ridiculously good case for the money.
 
Fredescu said:
P55 chipset with USB 3 support is your best bet I think. That should narrow it down a little.

I don't even know if I'd worry about USB 3 and SATA 6Gb/s at this point anyway. That's my current debate at the moment, trying to make a motherboard decision - I'm pretty much decided on an i7-870.

The motherboard decision is also buying me time to wait and see what AMD is going to do with their possible release(s) next(?) month.
 
Fredescu said:
Disable it altogether. The option is under Tools in the BIOS I think.


Windows 7? Right click on the desktop and choose screen resolution. If it sees the second display attached to your hdmi port, it should show it in there. If it does, highlight the monitor and tick the "Extend" option. If it doesn't see it in there, make sure the display is on and reboot the pc with the display plugged in. If it still doesn't show it's likely a physical problem.
It's not a second display, it's that I want to hook up my monitor via my GPU's mini HDMI port instead of DVI to HDMI adapter but it's not outputting anything through the mini HDMI.
 
GAF, I think I have a good computer going... how do these parts look?

Disc Drive (Blu-ray)- Samsung SH-B083L 8X BLU-RAY BD-ROM & DVD Writer Combo
http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=48085&vpn=SH-B083L/RSBP&manufacture=Samsung&promoid=1030

Case- Antec Three Hundred Mini Tower Gaming Case
http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=29812&vpn=THREE HUNDRED&manufacture=Antec&promoid=1030

Hard Drive- Samsung Spinpoint F1 1TB
http://www.ncixus.com/products/51234/HD103UJ/Samsung/

Motherboard- ASUS P7P55D-E Pro
http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=48019&promoid=1030&vpn=P7P55D-E&manufacture=ASUS

GPU- Gigabyte GeForce GTX 460
http://www.ncixus.com/products/54506/GV-N460OC-1GI/Gigabyte/

PSU- Corsair TX650W
http://www.ncixus.com/products/26414/CMPSU-650TX/Corsair/

Memory- G.SKILL F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL Ripjaws
http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=42745&vpn=F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL&manufacture=G.Skill&promoid=1030

CPU- Intel Core i5 760 Quad Core Processor
http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=54753&vpn=BX80605I5760&manufacture=Intel&promoid=1030

Fan- Coolermaster Hyper 212
http://www.ncixus.com/products/41337/RR-B10-212P-GP/COOLERMASTER/

Also, will this build support optical audio... does it have to correct port etc? I need to know this.

Edit- checked the motherboard, it does have an optical audio port!
 
ZZMitch said:
GAF, I think I have a good computer going... how do these parts look?
Your motherboard and CPU don't match. You need a socket 1156 board if you're going with the i5-760. Something like this: http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=48019&promoid=1030&vpn=P7P55D-E&manufacture=ASUS

teiresias said:
I don't even know if I'd worry about USB 3 and SATA 6Gb/s at this point anyway.
Better to have and not need than need and not have I reckon. You don't pay much (any?) extra for the privilege.

TheEastonator said:
It's not a second display, it's that I want to hook up my monitor via my GPU's mini HDMI port instead of DVI to HDMI adapter but it's not outputting anything through the mini HDMI.
I don't know then. Does it work on the same display using the DVI to HDMI adapter?
 
Why do you guys hate the low-end Fermi series so much? Anandtech shows the 450 is slightly better than the 5770 and the 450 is cheaper before rebates. Even in the most memory-intensive games the 460 with 768MB of RAM is far better than the 5770. Why do you still recommend the 5770? I want the best video card between $130 and $170.
 
ChoklitReign said:
Anandtech shows the 450 is slightly better than the 5770 and the 450 is cheaper before rebates.
Direct quote from Anandtech: "The GTS 450 isn’t competition for the 5770; at best it’s as fast, at the worst it’s as slow as a 5750."

From: http://www.anandtech.com/show/3909/nvidias-geforce-gts-450-pushing-fermi-in-to-the-mainstream/18

ChoklitReign said:
I want the best video card between $130 and $170.
If $170 is the absolute limit, there are plenty of GTX460 768MB cards for that.
 
TheExodu5 said:
Going to go with the P7P55D-E LX

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131634

Good amount cheaper than the regular P7P55D-E in Canada. I believe all that's missed out on is a second PCI-E slot (which is only x8 in the regular anyways).

One of the guys in ausgaf picked up this board and has been having freezing issues, also picked up the i5 760. While we don't know if it's the board, the bios was out of date for the cpu.

First thing you will need to do when you get that board is check to make sure the bios is updated, if not, update it then go from there. Otherwise the cpu won't play nice.
 
Gaf, do you think 4GB memory will be enough to last a while?

Would it be worth it to go up to 8GB of memory to go with the Intel i5 or should I stick with what I have?
 
ZZMitch said:
Gaf, do you think 4GB memory will be enough to last a while?

Would it be worth it to go up to 8GB of memory to go with the Intel i5 or should I stick with what I have?
Gaming wise 4GB is all you need for now.
 
ZZMitch said:
Gaf, do you think 4GB memory will be enough to last a while?

Would it be worth it to go up to 8GB of memory to go with the Intel i5 or should I stick with what I have?

I wouldn't double up to 8GB anytime soon.
 
Right, I'm about on my last nerve with this machine. The machine will run fine after having the power plug out for 10 or so minutes until it freezes (usually I'm in Windows by this point). After that, it will consistently freeze at the Welcome screen in Windows 7 for what seems to be no reason at all. I've had this comp fully built since last Thursday and it has been doing it since then.

Through some advice I've tested the RAM, no issues. I can't test some stuff because I don't have appropriate parts to test against. I have tried memtest and it usually gets to about say, test 4 on the 4% on the first pass and then it'll freeze.

I have updated my BIOS to support my CPU, which weirdly fixed it for a while until it froze again. I'm now back at square one.

Here's my parts: http://i.imgur.com/0mkyF.jpg

I'm using the stock fan and not the aftermarket cooler. Temps for the CPU and GPU are fine (CPU is around 30, 50-60 under medium load, GPU around 35, dunno under load cos I can't run anything long enough to see). Sometimes it just won't show anything on my monitor.

I'd really appreciate any help in trying to fix this before I ring up the company I bought all the parts off and try to get them to fix it for me since that could take weeks and I kind of don't have weeks to have a proper working machine.
 
Fredescu said:
You're going to have to do a fair bit of extra research as far as what's going to fit. I think most of those take a full size PSU, but you'll need to buy the right size MBD (Micro ATX or Mini ITX, depending on the case), the right length video card, and the right size CPU cooler. What you're wanting to do is definitely possible.

ok, so, took what you said into consideration (thanks to the other guy for cooling options as well, gotta bookmark his post), so after reading some reviews, i was considering this one, wanted to see your/others' thoughts. it's said to be tricky, but ample room for GPU (even dual, if im reading that right?), so ideally, i'd be good with:

i5-760 you recommended (if its stock at 2.8ghz, OC to run at 3.4 or + shouldnt be a problem with good cooling, yeah?)
-no idea what motherboard here, given the size. hopefully USB3 (if need be?), wifi etc, not sure what i'm looking for here - i know you said look at micro ATX etc but it looks like this case might take a regular size, no?
-ATI 5870? reviews said it fit, is that the best GPU for the $ or should i consider another model? i wanna say the dolphin thread said something about ATI cards working better, could be wrong though.
-1 TB HDD, hopefully a 7200 or otherwise not dragging-ass speed wont be too much
-6 GB DDR3 should suffice for a while to come, right?
-oh crap i forgot im gonna need another fan or some cooling or something
-from the reviews, the power supply it comes with should suffice
-optical drive?

gonna have a friends help, but ive never put a rig together so im not sure what else i'd need/to expect. taking suggestions on parts here, and hoping im not naive in wanting this to be under 1k if possible, heh. really excited about the idea of a solid gaming rig in time for Fallout new vegas:D
 
mrklaw said:
Wes said:
See how this goes:

Budget: ~£600 UK (not including monitor or other peripherals, although I will be after a new screen too!)
Main Use: Gaming
Monitor Resolution: 1650 x 1050 most likely
List SPECIFIC games that you MUST be able to play: Civ V, TF2, LoL, Guild Wars 2, Fallout: New Vegas

I'll have plenty of room for upgrading down the line so I don't want to limit myself too much by chipset/case size etc.
I'll come along for the ride if I can :) although I'll be playing on a 1080p TV, I'd guess the GPU required would be about the same.

Shameless bump. I apologise!
 
TheExodu5 said:
Final list for my cousin's PC (Canadian prices ;_;):

It will be built at PCCyber, who have decent prices. On the upside, they'll charge nothing for installation and should be able to run a 4.0GHz overclock for free (which saves me a few hours research/effort).

Any thoughts?

edit: I think I'll switch the case to a HAF 922. Seems to be a ridiculously good case for the money.
The 912 is also great. Just came out. Tad smaller, much cheaper.

And $140 for that mobo is silly. I looked at their site and their selection is horrible :/
teiresias said:
I don't even know if I'd worry about USB 3 and SATA 6Gb/s at this point anyway. That's my current debate at the moment, trying to make a motherboard decision - I'm pretty much decided on an i7-870.

The motherboard decision is also buying me time to wait and see what AMD is going to do with their possible release(s) next(?) month.
You are spending $100 for hyper threading? Why?
Wes said:
Shameless bump. I apologise!
http://i.imgur.com/A55hA.jpg
Combo deals bit harder to find, but this, with a GTX460 (or 5830/5850 depending on prices) will do great.
Swap in a cheaper case, Seasonic PSU, Corsair RAM, and maybe a 5850 if prices are the same since you are across the ocean.
See if you can fit in the i5 subsitutions, if not then go for the budget AMD recommendations.
 
Fredescu said:
You have the SG07? How do you like it? What do you have in it?

I'm liking it a lot, got a Gigabyte GA-H55N-USB3, i5 750 and 4GB GSkill Ripjaw which isn't playing nice with the motherboard so I might end up replacing it. I had a GTX 460 in there which died so I'm waiting for a Barts XT. I posted pics of the board many pages ago, I'll probably post more once it's all done.

This was the clearance between the 460 and heatsink:
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Hazaro said:
http://i.imgur.com/A55hA.jpg
Combo deals bit harder to find, but this, with a GTX460 (or 5830/5850 depending on prices) will do great.
Swap in a cheaper case, Seasonic PSU, Corsair RAM, and maybe a 5850 if prices are the same since you are across the ocean.
See if you can fit in the i5 subsitutions, if not then go for the budget AMD recommendations.

from scan.co.uk:
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I'd want to upgrade to a bluray drive if you have any recommendations, but does everything else look fine?

where would you save £150 to hit wes' budget - don't know if any other suppliers are significantly cheaper, could shop around.


edit: You can get it down to £680 if you buy the case and PSU from amazon, and opt for an INNO3D 1GB GTX460 (any good) from ebuyer.
 
IrishNinja said:
ok, so, took what you said into consideration (thanks to the other guy for cooling options as well, gotta bookmark his post), so after reading some reviews, i was considering this one, wanted to see your/others' thoughts.
It only has a 300w PSU, so you're definitely not running a 5870, even if it does fit. That might have been a typo and you meant 5770, which should work. The 300w PSU will limit your future options when it comes to video card upgrades. That's what makes the SG07 so attractive. It has a 600w PSU, meaning you're not really all that limited as far as video card upgrades go. Cases that don't come with a PSU and take a full size one are even better, since if you want to go crazy one day you can upgrade to a monster PSU.

IrishNinja said:
i5-760 you recommended (if its stock at 2.8ghz, OC to run at 3.4 or + shouldnt be a problem with good cooling, yeah?)
Should do, yeah. These things are never guaranteed, but I'd say 3.4Ghz would be considered a fairly mild overclock for that CPU.

IrishNinja said:
-no idea what motherboard here, given the size. hopefully USB3 (if need be?), wifi etc, not sure what i'm looking for here - i know you said look at micro ATX etc but it looks like this case might take a regular size, no?
No, definitely not regular size ATX for that case. Click on the details tab on the Newegg product page and look for the "Motherboard Compatibility" field. For your case above it says: Mini-DTX, Mini-ITX. That limits your motherboard options a fair bit. This is the board from the SG07 review and is a good option: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128448

IrishNinja said:
-ATI 5870? reviews said it fit, is that the best GPU for the $ or should i consider another model? i wanna say the dolphin thread said something about ATI cards working better, could be wrong though.
As I said above, with a 300w PSU you're going to have to look at a low power card. 5770 at the most. It will still play every game, you'll just need to turn some stuff down. Check out some benchmarks to get an idea of what it can do. 6750 could be an interesting option when it comes out soon, but that might not be out in time for Fallout NV.

IrishNinja said:
-6 GB DDR3 should suffice for a while to come, right?
4GB. Most small motherboards are only going to have two RAM slots anyway, so you're not going to get 6GB, and you don't really need 8GB for gaming. Hazaro has these in his standard build http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ..._re=g.skill_ripjaw_4gb-_-20-231-276-_-Product . Just make sure that your case is going to fit the slightly oversized heatsinks on them.

IrishNinja said:
-oh crap i forgot im gonna need another fan or some cooling or something
You'll have to get fairly specific to find something that fits. The two Milpool suggested don't seem to be in stock at Newegg.

IrishNinja said:
taking suggestions on parts here, and hoping im not naive in wanting this to be under 1k if possible, heh.
Lets see:

$120 Your case and PSU
$200 i5-760
$105 GIGABYTE GA-H55N-USB3
$93 4GB ram linked above
$140 Any of the half a dozen 5770s on newegg
$75 Samsung 1TB F3 Spinpoint per Hazaro's build
$25 The Samsung SATA DVD burner from Hazaro's build
$50 Rough figure for a CPU cooler (add another $10 for thermal paste if the cooler doesn't explicity say it comes with some)
-----
$808

That's without any combo deals or rebates or anything too. If you upgrade to that SG07 case and a GTX460 1GB video card it should put you right around $1k.

IrishNinja said:
gonna have a friends help, but ive never put a rig together so im not sure what else i'd need/to expect.
Expect to require a lot of patience. Making your first build a small form factor machine is really jumping into the deep end. See Milpool's photo for the kind of cramped space you can expect to be working in. You should be ok if you take it slowly and read all the guides and such.
 
Hazaro said:
Drop a 212+ and looks good!
A 650W Seasonic might be a bit cheaper. Same with a 750W XFX or something.


it already has a 212+, or is that the wrong one?

that PSU was cheaper than either a seasonic or XFX
 
Hazaro said:
You are spending $100 for hyper threading? Why?
This isn't just a gaming machine. I do hobbiest programming, and use Lightroom on a regular basis. True, the gains are probably miniscule if existent at all, but I'm building this PC with money I was going to use to get a to of the line iMac, so my budget allows for it.

Besides, the case I'm getting is more expensive than the CPU! Haha.
 
Is there that much of a performance difference between 1333 and 1600 for memory? Or is the reason for picking 1600 over 1333 for some other reason? I've read in some places that there's no real reason for going 1600 over 1333 for the price difference... so I'm a little bit lost.

I've got most of my draft spec sorted, much like mrklaw's, but I'm still a bit undecided on mobo, memory (obviously) and the graphics card (it'll be a 460, but as to which specific one... I don't know yet).
 
Fredescu said:
You can't just say that without a link!
On my phone, so linking is a bit of a hassle, but if you want to Google it, I'm planning to get the Silverstone Fortress 2 (FT02).

I was wrong though. It's more expensive than the i5 but not the i7.
 
teiresias said:
This isn't just a gaming machine. I do hobbiest programming, and use Lightroom on a regular basis. True, the gains are probably miniscule if existent at all, but I'm building this PC with money I was going to use to get a to of the line iMac, so my budget allows for it.

Besides, the case I'm getting is more expensive than the CPU! Haha.
HT is really realllllllllllly negligible.

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Wes said:
Is there that much of a performance difference between 1333 and 1600 for memory?
Nope, just overclocking headroom in some cases. You can usually tighten the timings on low speed to get the same bandwitdth anyway.
The gains across the board are maybe 0.5%-2%
 
Anyone has some experience on gaming on a new iMac 27'' i7? (the one with the ATI 5750)

I'm very tempted but the crazy resolution scares me a little bit (I don't know how the lower res scaling of that screen is).
 
Hazaro said:
Nope, just overclocking headroom in some cases. You can usually tighten the timings on low speed to get the same bandwitdth anyway.
The gains across the board are maybe 0.5%-2%

Thanks for the info. I'll have to check the price differences between the two and see if it's worth it.
 
Wes said:
Is there that much of a performance difference between 1333 and 1600 for memory? Or is the reason for picking 1600 over 1333 for some other reason? I've read in some places that there's no real reason for going 1600 over 1333 for the price difference... so I'm a little bit lost.

I've got most of my draft spec sorted, much like mrklaw's, but I'm still a bit undecided on mobo, memory (obviously) and the graphics card (it'll be a 460, but as to which specific one... I don't know yet).


same - I only put that motherboard in because hazaro recommended it - I'm assuming it does bitstreaming audio over HDMI (?) and optical out?

460 I have no idea - are they all the same or are some better than others? Going for a 1GB one.

And lastly, will that setup give me room to grow later. Either upping the RAM, or upgrading the GPU (can it SLI?) etc?
 
mrklaw said:
same - I only put that motherboard in because hazaro recommended it - I'm assuming it does bitstreaming audio over HDMI (?) and optical out?

460 I have no idea - are they all the same or are some better than others? Going for a 1GB one.

And lastly, will that setup give me room to grow later. Either upping the RAM, or upgrading the GPU (can it SLI?) etc?

mobo - I've got about three listed. Just need to read up on them some more. All 1156 though.

GFX - Definitely the 1GB 460. Just which card from which manufacturer, as some come with different timings and such out of the box. I've never toyed around with changing a graphics card's settings so I have to read into this too.

I think the motherboards all have 4 slots for memory so getting 2x2GB sticks now means you can buy another pair later to bump up to 8.

As for SLi.... I don't know. I imagine that depends on the case and mobo with regards to space, and possibly the power too?
 
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