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[Hieberrr]

G'day kind sirs of PC-Gaf. I wanna buy a small HTPC that is sub $400 (obviously the cheaper the better, but I am more than willing to pay +200 and a little over 3 for it) with the following features:

- Windows 7
- Plays 720p and 2810p content without hiccups
- Wifi
- 200+ GB HDD
- Optical audio out
- HDMI
- Optical DVD drive

Can you guys suggest something like that for me?

I've looked at the Acer Aspire Revo, which (to me) looks good, but it lacks an optical drive.

 

[Hazaro]

http://i36.tinypic.com/33ubz2q.jpg

This + a 460 upgrade that pandora and I were talking about.

 

[vulva]

http://i36.tinypic.com/33ubz2q.jpg

This + a 460 upgrade that pandora and I were talking about.

ahhhhh, my problem is that I don't like to order online at all ...

 

[BigAT]

Thanks for the heads up on those. I think I'm gonna copy your build pretty much exactly. I take it you've been happy with it- or have you not built it yet?

I just ordered the parts on Friday so I'm still waiting on most of it to show up. I'm very happy with what I was able to put together given my budget though!

 

[teiresias]

ahhhhh, my problem is that I don't like to order online at all ...

Depending on where you live this means one of two things:

1) You're just denying yourself access to better prices.

2) You're denying yourself access to better and more choice in parts, period.

There is pretty much no computer component retailer near where I live. I literally COULD NOT build a computer without buying online - at least not one with quality parts, though I have no idea where I could find motherboards to buy at a B&M establishment locally without going through some specialty shop that's going to overcharge.

 

[vulva]

Depending on where you live this means one of two things:

1) You're just denying yourself access to better prices.

2) You're denying yourself access to better and more choice in parts, period.

There is pretty much no computer component retailer near where I live. I literally COULD NOT build a computer without buying online - at least not one with quality parts, though I have no idea where I could find motherboards to buy at a B&M establishment locally without going through some specialty shop that's going to overcharge.

I live in Toronto. I have access to an NCIX store, tiger direct store and canada computers. I also live in a sem-sketchy apartment building where packages sent to me have notoriously disappeared. It's just less hassle to not order online for me right now

 

[pseudocaesar]

Hey a friend of mine put together a PC, just wondering if this is all ok? He asked me to check it over, but when I built mine I came here asking if it was all ok lol.

Prices are in AUD fyi

 

[Fredescu]

just wondering if this is all ok?

No, that CPU won't go in that motherboard. IMO, drop to an i5-760 CPU, and use the money saved to get a GTX460 1GB (should be around $270), and a CPU cooler (like this: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=207_23_845&products_id=12544) and some CPU goop (like this: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=207_163&products_id=2173) and spend $10 more on the RAM to get some with heat spreaders (like this: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=186_538_913&products_id=13598). Should cost roughly the same, have better gaming performance, and allow you to overclock a whole lot more.

Edit: and if its not breaking the bank too much, I 'd go for a better PSU. What retailer are you using? Is that from Umart?

 

[IrishNinja]

ah, cheers to -feist- for photo-bump.

i5 750 which I ran at 4.0GHz for a while was around 70c under load iirc(with milder overclocks it's usually around 40-50c), that was with the top fan on low. Can't remember the temps on the GTX460 since it only lasted a week, but about 60c under load sounds about right, the 180mm fan blows right on it.

For some scale:

scale shot helps, thanks man. DVD case size it is.
4ghz! i didnt even know that was an option with this chip.

few quick questions, then:

1) looking at an i5-760, dont imagine too much a difference from the 750 you had - also, is the jump to an i7 worth the $?
2) why did the 460 only last a week? please dont say due to heat :lol
3) ok, slightly confused: so you had to remove the fan on the case's top to fit the GPU, or was it another fan? really am trying to see if i can fit all this and still OC it without unstable temperatures.

 

[-COOLIO-]

i cant stop buyiing pc games. theyre everywhere and so cheap. i now have a backlog of dead space, liberty city stories, and the witcher

 

[Hazaro]

ah, cheers to -feist- for photo-bump.



scale shot helps, thanks man. DVD case size it is.
4ghz! i didnt even know that was an option with this chip.

few quick questions, then:

1) looking at an i5-760, dont imagine too much a difference from the 750 you had - also, is the jump to an i7 worth the $?
2) why did the 460 only last a week? please dont say due to heat :lol
3) ok, slightly confused: so you had to remove the fan on the case's top to fit the GPU, or was it another fan? really am trying to see if i can fit all this and still OC it without unstable temperatures.

1) i7 is not worth it
2) Doubtful
3) The vent in the top has a fan. To fit a GPU you need to remove that. Temps should be ok as long as you have a good intake and flow.

 

[Hieberrr]

G'day kind sirs of PC-Gaf. I wanna buy a small HTPC that is sub $400 (obviously the cheaper the better, but I am more than willing to pay +200 and a little over 3 for it) with the following features:

- Windows 7
- Plays 720p and 2810p content without hiccups
- Wifi
- 200+ GB HDD
- Optical audio out
- HDMI
- Optical DVD drive

Can you guys suggest something like that for me?

I've looked at the Acer Aspire Revo, which (to me) looks good, but it lacks an optical drive.

Shameless bump.

Anybody ?

 

[IrishNinja]

The vent in the top has a fan. To fit a GPU you need to remove that. Temps should be ok as long as you have a good intake and flow.

ok, so that fan's out, then, sadly. Fredescu recommended this cooler and this fan, would that be adequate, or what else would be needed? again, my concern comes from this review of the case:

We overclocked the i5-750 from 2.66GHz to 3.6GHz, with a 1.28V CPU vcore, but the CPU would hit 90°C within minutes of stressing, so this was too ambitious. The H55 chipset became incredibly hot when overclocking our i5-750 too, idling at around 68°C when we checked the BIOS. If you're planning on using the SG07 for an overclocked, powerful gaming rig then you'll need to beef up the cooling.

i too intend to overclock an i5-760 (to at least 3.4mhz), if i opt for a GTX 460, is the temperature that different from a 5870 to make this setup work? i mean, 90c, fuck, i'm going to have to keep this thing in a freezer.

 

[Knch]

- Plays 720p and 2810p content without hiccups
- Wifi
- Optical audio out
- HDMI

Start with a Zotac ION-ITX-A or something similar (http://www.mini-itx.com/store/?c=53)
Add memory (2GB should be enough,) a case and a HD and optical drive of choice.

 

[Hazaro]

ok, so that fan's out, then, sadly. Fredescu recommended this cooler and this fan, would that be adequate, or what else would be needed? again, my concern comes from this review of the case:



i too intend to overclock an i5-760 (to at least 3.4mhz), if i opt for a GTX 460, is the temperature that different from a 5870 to make this setup work? i mean, 90c, fuck, i'm going to have to keep this thing in a freezer.

After switching to the i5-750 and HD 5870 setup (which necessitated the removal of the roof fan), we saw hotter but still respectable cooling from the reasonably modest Titan Skalli CPU cooler and the SG07. The i5-750 was hotter than the i5-661, but then it is a quad-core CPU rather than a dual-core CPU with Hyper-Threading. Stressing just the CPU, we saw a respectable delta T of 44°C, while the GPU hit a delta T of 21°C.

That Silverstone heatsink (unless I am reading it wrong) was the one that let a dualcore go to 90C.
The small crappy rifle cooler let the i5 hit only 71C? But, it says it is hotter?

If a 92mm HS will fit (try Freezer 7 pro, or N520), get their height specs and compare them if you can, go that route.
I'd mount fans where you can, those at 28 dBa might be a tad noisy, but they push a nice amount of air.

Some cheaper solutions would be mid/low speed Yate Loons from Petra's Tech shop or elsewhere, but I don't know if those would push enough air under load. You can also buy a 3 pack of CM 120mm fans from Amazon or the like.

 

[IrishNinja]

If a 92mm HS will fit (try Freezer 7 pro, or N520), get their height specs and compare them if you can, go that route.
I'd mount fans where you can, those at 28 dBa might be a tad noisy, but they push a nice amount of air.

ah, im new to this, but i don't mind throwing a bit to make sure everything runs stable, id like to get a great deal of use out of it. so:

case says:

Ample space for CPU cooling (117mm in height)

which is good, cause that Freezer 7 Pro is 92mm, as is that N520 - question is, how do i know what'll fit in my case? this board + i5, GTX 460 etc, not sure how much space/where either unit could go. also, would either of those plus these fans (as you said, wherever they fit) be enough? id hate to have all the parts and then run prime95 and find out i'm boned.

 

[Hazaro]

*It looks like the Delta of 41C was for idle. Dear lord :lol
I'm positive the above rifle coolers will perform better than the dinky one they used but geez.

As for the fans I'd guess they'd go on the vented side, either as intakes or exhaust depending on how it is set up. The 120mm I think can replace the front fan?
Small cases always run warm, just need it below very hot.

Right now I'm just talking general advice, since someone here has the case I'd let them talk to you instead.

 

[IrishNinja]

fair enough - as ever, much obliged, man. ill keep checking back.

anyone ever bought a setup from CyberPower? friend sent the link my way, and $65 shipping (ugh) aside, it looks like they can get most of my specs down for relatively the same price, just wondering if they're reputable/known around here.
might be the easiest route, only issues id have from that page are:
1) WTF is "the world's smallest liquid cooling system"? i googled that, only found this. guess that'd solve my concerns? can't imagine they'd ship a setup with heat issues, hopefully?
2) their HDD selection kinda sucks, debating either picking up their smallest one (250GB 5400) and uh, tossing that in my ps3/buying that 1TB from newegg to use instead, or for $40 more, ordering their tiny-ass "32 GB Corsair Nova Series V32 Gaming MLC Solid State Disk", uh, i guess that's big enough for windows, mebbe a few programs? gonna go see if that case can take a 2nd drive but im not seeing where... this is prolly an awful idea, ill just swap out the drive for the better newegg one if i get this setup.

 

[Milpool]

ah, cheers to -feist- for photo-bump.



scale shot helps, thanks man. DVD case size it is.
4ghz! i didnt even know that was an option with this chip.

few quick questions, then:

1) looking at an i5-760, dont imagine too much a difference from the 750 you had - also, is the jump to an i7 worth the $?
2) why did the 460 only last a week? please dont say due to heat :lol
3) ok, slightly confused: so you had to remove the fan on the case's top to fit the GPU, or was it another fan? really am trying to see if i can fit all this and still OC it without unstable temperatures.

Hazaro has got you covered, there was a bad batch of cards from Gigabyte or something so lots of people got lemons.

I'll try to be clear about the fan, you don't have to remove it for any graphics card. However there is a brace attached to the fan which you sometimes have to remove depending on how high your graphics card is, it's the short bar in this pic:

 

[Fredescu]

That Silverstone heatsink (unless I am reading it wrong) was the one that let a dualcore go to 90C.

Without a fan attached, yeah. Attaching a fan will help a lot and it's at least guaranteed to fit. He's pretty much going to be relying on word of mouth and experimentation to find what fits.

which is good, cause that Freezer 7 Pro is 92mm, as is that N520 - question is, how do i know what'll fit in my case?

Both are larger than the Xigmatec Cobra that Milpool got into his. Maybe see if you can track down one of those at your retailer. It isn't on Newegg. These guys http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1065-page4.html got in a Scythe Samurai ZZ which is a similiar design to the Cobra, but also not on Newegg. It is very similiar to this one which has indentical dimensions: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185140

 

[Milpool]

It's worth noting that I had to buy a separate 1156 bracket for the Xigmatek Cobra, even then the backplate was a problem because the back of the GA-H55N-USB3 motherboard is so busy. Luckily I found some plastic bolts from an old zalman cooler that did the trick:

Some nylon washers and bolts with a 2.5mm thread would probably work too. If I had some spare cash I'd probably go for a APX-140 and see how well it performs fan-less.

 

[IrishNinja]

you guys are awesome.

Milpool - i see, makes more sense now; couldnt see taking out the (positive pressure, no?) fan and not expecting it to get worse.

Fredescu - that sounds worth looking into as well.

again though, i'm giving thought to my friend's option of just buying it setup from cyberpower; even with the $65 shipping (...) and having to grab the 1TB from newegg, it totals at @ 1130, ($10 more to add "coolermaster thermal fusion 400" which doesnt sound like a bad idea), vs roughly 1075 before shipping for these parts. i'd miss out on the challenge, sure, but their setup says it includes Uses AseTek LCLC 120mm water cooling, which from what im reading, might be a rather good idea. what do you guys think?

also: the same i5-760 at 2.8mhz, they're saying they can guarantee 20-30% overclocking speeds for more $ - i dont plan on paying it, as i'm thinking i (with my friend) can sort this on our own, but is this what you meant before about it not being an exact science? i.e., chances should be good on getting stable 3.4 mhz out of it, but closer to say 4 would be a crapshot depending on the chip itself, or what other factors? kinda interesting.

ps another review, UK variant

 

[pseudocaesar]

No, that CPU won't go in that motherboard. IMO, drop to an i5-760 CPU, and use the money saved to get a GTX460 1GB (should be around $270), and a CPU cooler (like this: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=207_23_845&products_id=12544) and some CPU goop (like this: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=207_163&products_id=2173) and spend $10 more on the RAM to get some with heat spreaders (like this: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=186_538_913&products_id=13598). Should cost roughly the same, have better gaming performance, and allow you to overclock a whole lot more.

Edit: and if its not breaking the bank too much, I 'd go for a better PSU. What retailer are you using? Is that from Umart?

pccasegear is the site im using too. Is this list better?

 

[Fredescu]

what do you guys think?

Getting it built by someone else with watercooling for not much extra? Sounds pretty great to me. I wouldn't worry about "missing out on the challenge" in this case. Building a regular desktop for the first time is one thing, cramming a gaming system into a Mini ITX case for your first build is another thing entirely. Drop to an i5-750 and go up to a GTX460 1GB and sort out the HDD and you should be sweet.

but is this what you meant before about it not being an exact science? i.e., chances should be good on getting stable 3.4 mhz out of it, but closer to say 4 would be a crapshot depending on the chip itself, or what other factors?

The chip itself, the motherboard, the RAM, the phase of the moon.

 

[Fredescu]

pccasegear is the site im using too. Is this list better?

Oh sorry, I didn't realise. The i5-760 is $9 cheaper, but it's better. It's quad core while the other is dual. You will easily make up the clock speed difference with overclocking. The i5-661 is only more expensive because it has integrated video which you don't care about since you're buying a dedicated card.

This PSU would be best if you don't mind paying the extra: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=15_354&products_id=12918

Less "watts" sure, but more reliable, much longer warranty, and it's modular, meaning you can unplug unneeded cables so the inside of the case isn't such a mess.

I'd avoid the Gigabyte GTX460 too. AusGAFer Megadrive got one from PCCG just a few weeks ago and had to RMA it as it was causing all sorts of weird freezing. There are also reports of this in the Newegg comments too, so there is definitely a bad batch or two of them around. Might as well get this one for the same price: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=193_687&products_id=14922

Make sure you have some thermal goop for the cooler. Otherwise looks good I think.

 

[IrishNinja]

i think im sold on the GTX460, not so sure about the i5-750, price difference to the 760 isnt much at all.

The chip itself, the motherboard, the RAM, the phase of the moon.

was afraid you'd say something like this.:lol
google searching yields madmen overclocking to 4.5 mhz (!), but with a great deal more knowledge than myself. all i learned for now is that i should put the extra $10 to get corsair dominator RAM, as some claim it handles OC'ing better (?).

Cyberpower offers to OC it and again guarantees 30%+ higher speed, but they want like $90 to do so... is this really that difficult for a beginner? ive read general stuff, but does anyone have a good link/guide on how to go about this? i'm seeing where 3.4mhz isnt a stretch, but if i could get it a bit above 3.5 that'd be cool, too.
this page makes it sound like single-thread apps (i wanna say Dolphin counts here) would see 3.33 on turbo mode, but ive read that's not the same thing, and that i'd be better to OC it a bit and disable this feature altogether.

 

[Hazaro]

OC is cake. There's like 20 guide out there for i5. No one has pointed me in a direction to a solid one yet though, most from major sites are from product launch and I haven't seen a good forum guide yet.

I bet XtremeHardware has a good one up though. That said you can expect 3.8-4.0Ghz usually. 4.2 as well, above that you need a great chip or some nice cooling.
You'd probably settle for whatever clocks you can get a a decent voltage, that is largely up to what chip you ahve.

 

[Hieberrr]

Start with a Zotac ION-ITX-A or something similar (http://www.mini-itx.com/store/?c=53)
Add memory (2GB should be enough,) a case and a HD and optical drive of choice.

Is there anything pre-built?

Specifically that I can get in Canada?

 

[Aruarian Reflection]

My 8800 GTS 320MB abruptly died today. It's been three years since I last researched PC hardware so I'm pretty lost. I ran over to Microcenter and grabbed whatever was on sale (GeForce 210 520MB) so I could at least have a usable PC for the time being.

I'm doing a little reading now and it seems that the 210 is a piece of junk, although I can't find any information comparing it to my 8800 GTS. What NVIDIA card would you recommend as a replacement? I don't need anything absurdly more powerful than what the 8800 GTS provides, although a good value upgrade would be nice. I don't play much PC games anymore and video editing is probably more important.

 

[Mr_Brit]

My 8800 GTS 320MB abruptly died today. It's been three years since I last researched PC hardware so I'm pretty lost. I ran over to Microcenter and grabbed whatever was on sale (GeForce 210 520MB) so I could at least have a usable PC for the time being.

I'm doing a little reading now and it seems that the 210 is a piece of junk, although I can't find any information comparing it to my 8800 GTS. What NVIDIA card would you recommend as a replacement? I don't need anything absurdly more powerful than what the 8800 GTS provides, although a good value upgrade would be nice. I don't play much PC games anymore and video editing is probably more important.

A used 4850 or even better a 4870 would be your best bet.

 

[Cdammen]

So I finished Crysis two weeks ago and am now playing through Warhead. I played them both on high settings @ 1080p and got really solid fps, it felt like 60 almost all the time but I never did measure it. It looked great... so now, two hours into Warhead, I decided to bump some settings up to the highest setting just to see what I was missing. FUUUCK ME! Post-processing and shader quality on max made my eyes water with joy! And it ran great, I lost some fps but it's worth it

The colors, the fidelity, the lightning... holy mother of god! GTX460, I love you.

(EDIT) The best thing is that my PC (on load) is quieter than my Xbox 360 when playing a DVD, and I have my PC right beside my desk.

 

[teiresias]

Worked on some tasks today, despite strep (bleh!), that weren't too involved and don't require a not-yet-purchased monitor.

Mounted the heatsink backplate, changed out the Hyper 212+ fan for a Scythe Slipstream and tested it, tested the PSU for DOA, and got familiar with its modular cables (glad I did that ahead of time or I may have plugged CPU power plugs into my GTX460), will also get the standoffs in the right position for the mobo, but I just finished checking the case fans in the Silverstone FT-02:

Wow, with dead quiet in my apartment (as much as I can) the case fans (with the case open) are nearly inaudible from 5 feet away. With the ambient noise of the air conditioner running I can't hear them at all from one foot away. With the Scythe on the Hyper 212+ being silent, I think the only thing I'll hear is the woosh of air and the GTX460's fans!! I think it might be quieter than my current iMac actually (that's bound to change if I go SLI though).

 

[wandering goat]

I'm going to try to build a new PC for the first time ever. Since I'm completely, 100% in the dark about which parts to use (or how the hell you should pick a motherboard), I'm probably just going to go with one of the already posted lists, something like an i5 760, hyper 212 cooler, Asus motherboard, etc.) Planning on getting a new 1080P monitor to go along with it. Not thinking about OCing to begin with, could look into it when I need a performance boost though (will get pretty fast RAM to allow for this).

My only question is about the video card. So the 1GB GTX 460 seems to be best bang for buck from what's being suggested. My only concern is how well it runs with a particular game (World of Warcraft), since I'll be playing that probably far far more than anything else. I've read lots of posts (having Googled it) where people are having really low fps just with WoW with this card, and some are pretty recent (mid September or later). Is this a problem, making it more worthwhile to go with a Radeon card, or are there no real issues? My goal is to have top settings at 1080p for Cataclysm above all else. As I know many Gaffers are playing, how does the 460 hold up?

Also, shouldn't be a problem to buy a small SSD drive (say 128GB or less) for Windows and some most-used programs to go along with a regular HD for media and other stuff, right? I have a laptop with a SSD and I think I may miss the fast bootups if I don't go with one for my main PC!

 

[·feist·]

It's a shame that the FT03 is changing form factors. I was hoping Silverstone would revise the 02s with new fans (and not just limited editions). The AP181 is one of the best fans I've ever used.

 

[Ermac]

I'm getting static through my front panel headphone port. Anyone know how to fix?

 

[kagete]

I'm going to try to build a new PC for the first time ever. Since I'm completely, 100% in the dark about which parts to use (or how the hell you should pick a motherboard), I'm probably just going to go with one of the already posted lists, something like an i5 760, hyper 212 cooler, Asus motherboard, etc.) Planning on getting a new 1080P monitor to go along with it. Not thinking about OCing to begin with, could look into it when I need a performance boost though (will get pretty fast RAM to allow for this).

My only question is about the video card. So the 1GB GTX 460 seems to be best bang for buck from what's being suggested. My only concern is how well it runs with a particular game (World of Warcraft), since I'll be playing that probably far far more than anything else. I've read lots of posts (having Googled it) where people are having really low fps just with WoW with this card, and some are pretty recent (mid September or later). Is this a problem, making it more worthwhile to go with a Radeon card, or are there no real issues? My goal is to have top settings at 1080p for Cataclysm above all else. As I know many Gaffers are playing, how does the 460 hold up?

Also, shouldn't be a problem to buy a small SSD drive (say 128GB or less) for Windows and some most-used programs to go along with a regular HD for media and other stuff, right? I have a laptop with a SSD and I think I may miss the fast bootups if I don't go with one for my main PC!

WOW runs perfectly fine on my 460 with everything maxed out. I don't play anymore though (last I did was maybe 2 months ago) so I don't know if there's any weird patch related thing since then that might affect graphics cards. Heck, WOW run maxed on my old 4650, not sure how it can tax a 460 :/

 

[Mairu]

G'day kind sirs of PC-Gaf. I wanna buy a small HTPC that is sub $400 (obviously the cheaper the better, but I am more than willing to pay +200 and a little over 3 for it) with the following features:

- Windows 7
- Plays 720p and 2810p content without hiccups
- Wifi
- 200+ GB HDD
- Optical audio out
- HDMI
- Optical DVD drive

Can you guys suggest something like that for me?

I've looked at the Acer Aspire Revo, which (to me) looks good, but it lacks an optical drive.

I'm also kind of curious about this. I don't need the optical audio or dvd drive, but I'm curious as to how cheap you could make a HTPC for that would meet the following requirements:
Win7
1080p w/o issues
HDMI
Neat case

 

[Darkatomz]

I'm getting static through my front panel headphone port. Anyone know how to fix?

Get a sound card or a cleaner PSU. The source of the noise is coming from the motherboard (integrated audio) or dirty power.

 

[wandering goat]

WOW runs perfectly fine on my 460 with everything maxed out. I don't play anymore though (last I did was maybe 2 months ago) so I don't know if there's any weird patch related thing since then that might affect graphics cards. Heck, WOW run maxed on my old 4650, not sure how it can tax a 460 :/

Thanks, good to hear. Obviously it wasn't an issue of how taxing the game is, more that I read a lot of people were having problems with it specifically, whether due to drivers or whatever, as their older cards ran it well. I'm going to try to get the card locally so that there's a chance I can return it if need be, but I wanted to know if this was possibly a widespread problem, at least in the meantime.

 

[Hazaro]

Thanks, good to hear. Obviously it wasn't an issue of how taxing the game is, more that I read a lot of people were having problems with it specifically, whether due to drivers or whatever, as their older cards ran it well. I'm going to try to get the card locally so that there's a chance I can return it if need be, but I wanted to know if this was possibly a widespread problem, at least in the meantime.

WoW is mainly CPU limited. A good SSD will also improve fps.

I haven't read anything on this particular issue, but I am doubtful there's some major issue that hasn't been fixed. It's probably a bunch of people with any combination of old drivers, poor psu, PCI-E running at 1x, old CPU, etc.

 

[Kabuki Waq]

Guys what is the best wireless keyboard and mouse combo for gaming as well as regular stuff? I would like to have charger for mouse

 

[NarcissisticJay]

Guys what is the best wireless keyboard and mouse combo for gaming as well as regular stuff? I would like to have charger for mouse

There isnt one.

 

[-COOLIO-]

There isnt one.

all wireless keyboards are equal for pc gaming?

im using a microsoft wireless 4000. im pretty satisfied with it for the $30 price.

 

[ZZMitch]

all wireless keyboards are equal for pc gaming?

im using a microsoft wireless 4000. im pretty satisfied with it for the $30 price.

They are all equally bad.

 

[Fredescu]

I'm going to try to get the card locally so that there's a chance I can return it if need be, but I wanted to know if this was possibly a widespread problem, at least in the meantime.

There is a problem with a bunch of Gigabyte GTX460's, but they're causing freezing, not slow performance in WoW.

G'day kind sirs of PC-Gaf. I wanna buy a small HTPC that is sub $400 (obviously the cheaper the better, but I am more than willing to pay +200 and a little over 3 for it) with the following features:

- Windows 7
- Plays 720p and 2810p content without hiccups
- Wifi
- 200+ GB HDD
- Optical audio out
- HDMI
- Optical DVD drive

Can you guys suggest something like that for me?

I've looked at the Acer Aspire Revo, which (to me) looks good, but it lacks an optical drive.

How about the Dell Zino? http://www.dell.com/us/p/inspiron-zino-hd-410/pd

 

[Kabuki Waq]

Ok forget about the gaming part ...just need wireless keyboard and mouse I can use with a fairly long wireless rage (30ft)



Also I don't mean competivegaming I just need it for something like mass effect 2

 

[NarcissisticJay]

all wireless keyboards are equal for pc gaming?

im using a microsoft wireless 4000. im pretty satisfied with it for the $30 price.

They are all worse than even the most basic wired KB&M.

You must play mostly single player..

Edit: Yep, lol

 

[teiresias]

It's a shame that the FT03 is changing form factors. I was hoping Silverstone would revise the 02s with new fans (and not just limited editions). The AP181 is one of the best fans I've ever used.

Actually, they are slowly phasing in the AP181 fans into the FT-02. Unfortunately, I didn't get them with the one I ordered (and trying to sweet talk them into sending me some via email was worthless - they won't even admit they're shipping them with them yet). However, if you're buying the case at a B&M location, the box will say it comes with Air Penetrators if it's one of the newer ones out of the factory with the case. Honestly, these fans are so amazingly quiet already I can only think I'd go to the AP181s if I felt like getting a few more degrees shed off of my temps when I go SLI.

 

[rocK`]

GAFers! attention.

I need to find a MoBo to replace the one that's in my HTPC. I hate it, it sucks, it's given me nothing but problems. RMA'd it twice, still having issues (pretty sure its the mobo, it worked when I first replaced it, then died).

Also, has the worst MemOK function

So here are the other parts:

ASUS P7H55D-M EVO LGA 1156 Intel H55 HDMI USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard <-- REPLACE THIS

Intel Core i3-530 Clarkdale 2.93GHz LGA 1156 73W Dual-Core Desktop Processor BX80616I3530

Antec Black Aluminum / Steel Fusion Remote Black Micro ATX Media Center / HTPC Case (NOTE: it needs to be a Micro ATX mobo)

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

Ok forget about the gaming part ...just need wireless keyboard and mouse I can use with a fairly long wireless rage (30ft)



Also I don't mean competivegaming I just need it for something like mass effect 2

I use razer mamba. i'm quite pleased with it actually.


don't know if this has been posted but...