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"I need a new PC!" 2010 Edition
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BuddhaRockstar
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I was under the impression that RAM had something to do with CPU OCing. I haven't really dabbled in it because this is my first computer I've built and I'd hate to see it turn into a smoldering pile of scrap due to my incompetence.
Congrats. Take your time making increases if you decide to clock further.Kurashima said:Alright! My CPU overclock is stable now at 3.8 GHz with "stock" voltage (1.25V). I didn't have to mess around with those settings after all Hazaro, so I guess it was the memory that was originally causing me problems. Did a bit over 5 hours of Prime 95 and my max temp was 74 C (but usually was in the low 70s), so I'm pretty happy with that. Now it's time for some serious gaming.
$150 for a Q6600 is a ridiculous price for a 3 generation old 65nm CPU. I don't care how well it clocks, we're nearly in 2011. I'd think you're best bet is to find a reputable seller that has something closer to $100.Zaraki_Kenpachi said:
The GTX 570 will reportedly be released mid-December. Nvidia is currently trying to maximize profits on the production of GTX 460 chips, hence the new SE card. Don't expect the GTX 560 until sometime in Q1 2011, at the earliest.Zaraki_Kenpachi said:Noice, I'll keep any eye out until then. Thanks again for all the help.darthbob said:
Yes. If you're looking at cards in the $100bdizzle said:
range, avoid the GTS 450 and ATI 5770. A 768MB GTX 460 can be had for $115 after rebate. The 1GB 460 is $200, but regularly goes for $165-190. In that range, the AMD 6850 is $180 and it's a great buy as well. Just make sure you don't pay a premium for short supplies, as that's largely what's driving prices up (the same reason deals are hard/nearly impossible to come by on the new 68xx cards).
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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·feist· said:
It's all well and good that that $100 price point keeps getting thrown around but cheapest I've seen is $135 on ebay and normal around $150. If someone wants to tell me where to get one by all means, but all my searching shows up as $150 or more in a lot of places.
Azzurri
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·feist· said:Under CPU configuration disable C1E so that your chip doesn't try to throttle itself back.
So there's no speedstep for the P5Q Deluxe? Just the C1E?
Disabled the C1E, I just thought you needed to disable Speedstep too, but I coudln't find it any place. Well if that's it then that's nice.
NameGenerated
Who paid you to grab Dr. Pavel?
This looks really good for me. Great reviews and a good price with that promo.Zaraki_Kenpachi said:
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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Azzurri said:
Apparently different boards gave it different names I think. From what I remember they all to the same thing just like "quiet and cool" they just aren't all called that exact thing.
NameGenerated said:
I think it includes Mafia II also when you buy it IIRC.
NameGenerated
Who paid you to grab Dr. Pavel?
No worries. When I built my rig I went overkill with my PSU. I think it's too much tbh.Fredescu said:
oldschoolpinball
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Any suggestions for a new video card Around 100? Using a geforce 9300 le currently so the card is 2 years old
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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Azzurri said:
Odd... From searching though, the people who couldn't find "speedstep" on their ASUS board were all told that the C1E is what throttles. You can probably check after you change the option to make sure that's what is throttling no?
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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Azzurri said:
Meh, that's stupid manufacturers and having to make their own terms for everything.
Do you have some of your CPU settings on manual? Sounds like that may be why you don't have it as an option (like what happens when you manually set your ram). Going back to auto should make it appear again. If you've set your ratio or multiplier manually, your board should have disabled it. Since you've already set C1E, a tell tale sign is if your CPU runs at full speed, regardless of load.Azzurri said:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=24635176&postcount=18304oldschoolpinball said:
What power supply do you have? I can't find much reference to that card being sold at retail. It looks like it came with some HP desktops. Is that what you have? If that's the case, you're going to want a card that doesn't require much power. What are you expecting to do with the card? Gaming? At what res?oldschoolpinball said:
Angelus Errare
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Alright Gaf,
Mobo decision,
MSI 870A-G54 or Gigabyte 870A-UD?
Or any alternatives for best AM3 mobo? I've been hearing nothing but great thigns about the Gigabyte, but I'm a MSI fan.
Mobo decision,
MSI 870A-G54 or Gigabyte 870A-UD?
Or any alternatives for best AM3 mobo? I've been hearing nothing but great thigns about the Gigabyte, but I'm a MSI fan.
Imagine what things will look like when the lower-end discreet GPU market all but disappears in the near future.
Zaraki_Kenpachi,
Hey, I know you're trying to maximize your current build, so I hope my comments didn't come across naff or anything. It was mainly stemming from how close that is to the cost of a quality, new AMD/Intel quad.
You have to wonder if Sandy/Ivy Bridge will actually have an adverse effect on the used market, where instead of driving prices down gradually, it actually causes things to level off somewhat, or possibly even appreciate in some specific cases. After all, LGA 775 still makes up the largest percentage of Intel's desktop base.
Socket 775 users are like XP hold-outs on steroids. There will definitely be more C2D users upgrading than C2Q owners. Funny enough, one of the primary reasons so many people will keep their C2Qs is also one of the primary factors that likely lead to Intel crippling Sandy Bridge.
Zaraki_Kenpachi,
Hey, I know you're trying to maximize your current build, so I hope my comments didn't come across naff or anything. It was mainly stemming from how close that is to the cost of a quality, new AMD/Intel quad.
You have to wonder if Sandy/Ivy Bridge will actually have an adverse effect on the used market, where instead of driving prices down gradually, it actually causes things to level off somewhat, or possibly even appreciate in some specific cases. After all, LGA 775 still makes up the largest percentage of Intel's desktop base.
Socket 775 users are like XP hold-outs on steroids. There will definitely be more C2D users upgrading than C2Q owners. Funny enough, one of the primary reasons so many people will keep their C2Qs is also one of the primary factors that likely lead to Intel crippling Sandy Bridge.
Since some of the people coming into this thread to ask for help are also inquiring about upcoming CPUs here's one of the first sites to do a Sandy Bridge review. It goes into more detail than most of the various leaked benches have.
The comparison is between a Core i7 2600K at 3.4GHz, and a Core i7 875K also at 3.4GHz. Tests include gaming, productivity and artificial benches.
SandyBridge Core i7 2600K Review
http://en.inpai.com.cn/doc/enshowcont.asp?id=7944
Not surprisingly, GPU-constrained games see very little benefit, while titles that are bottle-necked by the CPU improve a great deal.
Starcraft II
http://en.inpai.com.cn/doc/enshowcont.asp?id=7944&pageid=7689
Call of Duty: Black Ops
http://en.inpai.com.cn/doc/enshowcont.asp?id=7944&pageid=7694
Power consumption
http://en.inpai.com.cn/doc/enshowcont.asp?id=7944&pageid=7695
The comparison is between a Core i7 2600K at 3.4GHz, and a Core i7 875K also at 3.4GHz. Tests include gaming, productivity and artificial benches.
SandyBridge Core i7 2600K Review
http://en.inpai.com.cn/doc/enshowcont.asp?id=7944
Not surprisingly, GPU-constrained games see very little benefit, while titles that are bottle-necked by the CPU improve a great deal.
Starcraft II
http://en.inpai.com.cn/doc/enshowcont.asp?id=7944&pageid=7689
Call of Duty: Black Ops
http://en.inpai.com.cn/doc/enshowcont.asp?id=7944&pageid=7694
Power consumption
http://en.inpai.com.cn/doc/enshowcont.asp?id=7944&pageid=7695
·feist· said:
Wow.... that might be a big deal for Blizzard games. Im pretty worried about how Diablo III, a game Im likely to spend a lot of time playing will work on 4 to 8 core systems. Their current games are VERY cpu heavy, yet they dont fully use a quad core system for performance.
Im going to read this to get an idea of how much of a 'great deal' this increase is. I just dropped 18 freaking hundred, but if an upgrade would position me better for D3 I would consider a 2011 socket sandy bridge upgrade later on next year sheeeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiit.
Damn....why arent they benching it vs an 1366 I7? Or at least including it there, damn.
...Well the improvement in SC2 was pretty damn impressive. But not nearly enough improvement across the board to consider upgrading to the 1155 chips from a 1366 though. It looks like the across the board performance wont be that different. Minor increase at best. But still a 25% increase even on the 1155, when the 2011's hit late next year, Ill bet they have an even larger performance increase on CPU heavy games, and that will likely be worth it.
IrishNinja
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Kurashima said:Alright! My CPU overclock is stable now at 3.8 GHz with "stock" voltage (1.25V). I didn't have to mess around with those settings after all Hazaro, so I guess it was the memory that was originally causing me problems. Did a bit over 5 hours of Prime 95 and my max temp was 74 C (but usually was in the low 70s), so I'm pretty happy with that. Now it's time for some serious gaming.
awesome! glad to hear this, was kinda following your plight since im waiting on the same chip with roughly the same plans.
Hazaro said:
shit...again, dolphin thread has me thinking id like to hit 4ghz, going above sounds crazy. then again, some jpg i saw at an overclocking forum was closer to 5...insane.
TheExodu5 said:
i keep seeing this in this thread; what's the difference, why are the SE ones gimped?
also, reading those sandy bridge review/comparisons now, thanks ·feist-.
Mr Nightman
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Kinda a dumb question, but I am curious does the asus gtx 460 come with a case badge sticker?
·feist· said:Under CPU configuration disable C1E so that your chip doesn't try to throttle itself back.
Just as close to $100 that you can find. A quick look at Ebay shows that a lot of people seem to disagree with me.
Hey so I just disabled both C1E and Intel Speedstep on my Asus P5Q / E7400 build. Will I get better performance out of my CPU now? I have always felt that I should be getting better performance on games...
Ashhong said:
Speedstep is a useful power saving feature that only needs to be disabled if it's getting in the way of your overclocking. It doesn't hurt performance as it ramps up when the CPU is under load automatically.
Disabling C1E will only increase your performance if your overclock is running too hot. Generally this is set quite a bit lower than it needs to be in order to err on the safe side. This most usually needs to be disabled when overclocking. You can tell it's kicking in when after stress testing for a minute or two your multiplier drops down even though it's still under full load.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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·feist· said:
Nah, not at all man.
Trust me I was the one asking about the 950 i7 for $200 at microcenter but if a quad is all that's messing up my gaming for now then ~$150 is worth it. I've got too many things to pay for right now to build a whole new rig, plus when I eventually pass this one down to my mom the quad will last her longer. I was just slightly cranky since a couple people kept telling me to get a q6600 for under $100 but couldn't point to a place that actually had it that cheap. Not your fault in any way. Thanks again for all the help everyone gave, I always appreciate it.Edit: Have they released pricing for the sandy bridge CPUs? I don't see anything searching online, and I thought they were always thought to be obnoxious in price? Seems they can't be overclocked either....
What does pcGAF think of this rig?
Do those parts fit together nicely or are there any bottlenecks?
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Core i7 870
Scythe Mugen 2 Rev B
Gigabyte GTX580 1536MB
A-Data Value DDR3-1333 CL9 2x4096MB Kit
Gigabyte GA-P55-USB3 P55
Samsung SpinPoint F3 1000GB HD103SJ 7200rpm
Cougar 600W GX600/R
CoolerMaster HAF 912 Plus
Price: 1169,79Do those parts fit together nicely or are there any bottlenecks?
The i7 870 has only 2 memory channelspestul said:
TouchMyBox
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Zaraki_Kenpachi said:
Cool N' Quiet is the branding for the AMD version of the technology, whereas the Intel branding is SpeedStep.
And what's with this disabling of speedstep anyway? I've seen people run benchmarks and were able to get an extra frame per second by turning it off, but I could never justify doing that considering I have my CPU idle a lot.
Felix Lighter
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Ugh, there was a G.Skill (I think) 128 GB SSD on sale for $186 on newegg a couple of days ago, and now it's either out of stock or no longer on sale. Damn it, I should have jumped on that.
.nimrod said:
Looks great, mostly, though I'd probably get a Corsair 650TX instead (never heard of Cougar), and maybe upgrade the case to a HAF 922 for the big side fan and included top fan. The air flow will help a lot with that high end hardware.
The Scythe Mugen 2 is an amazing cooler, and unrivaled for the price, IMO. The only downside to it is that it's friggin ginormous.
Thankfully a lot of new cases make it so much easier, since there's a cutout behind the CPU so you can install it with the motherboard mounted to the case.Salaadin said:
I have an older case with no cutout, so it was a pain in the ass to install. Doesn't help that the 4 pin power connector on my board was right under the Mugen either.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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TouchMyBox said:
I know the Cool&Quiet is AMD branding I was just saying that companies have to give new names to everything to sound original but they all do the same thing. The cool and quiet(at least used to) sucked and would throttle against you when gaming even when you needed the power and caused poor performance in games where you should be getting higher frames. I don't know if that's still the case or not, that was before speedstep.
Felix Lighter
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This seems like a crazy deal to me. Total is $839.85 + shipping. $100 in rebates brings it down to $739.85 + shipping and that includes OS and heat sink and really no compromises.
I put it together at newegg for a buddy who is still on the fence.
I put it together at newegg for a buddy who is still on the fence.
considering how mature speedstep and C'n'Q technology is now, there's little reason to turn it off to 'gain' a bit in performance. when overclocking, it could be useful to disable during stress testing to make sure your voltages/speeds are stable, but otherwise it should be left on in the vast majority of cases.
now, if you're folding or running some other background CPU intensive process, it's besides the point.
now, if you're folding or running some other background CPU intensive process, it's besides the point.
Hey there, extremely new to PC gaming here. Is there any benefit as far as gaming goes to upgrading to Windows 7 from Windows XP? I would prefer not to spend $100 on a new OS if I can help it, but if there are reasonable benefits that can justify an upgrade, I'll be happy to.
Since i'm guessing your GPU isn't DX10/11 you won't likely notice many differences. It's a nice system but there's no point in spending 100$ if your system is working fine as is. The real question is if you know you'll ever go to Windows 7, or wait a few more years for the next OS. If you're going to upgrade to 7 in a year or two anyways you might as wel do it now, prices aren't going to change much. If you'll be fine with XP until a newer OS comes out then just stick with XP.