"I need a New PC!" 2011 Thread of reading the OP. Seriously. [Part 2]

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Hey guise, just recently, whenever I boot up my computer, the screen is all fuzzy as if it were not at native resolution, i.e. blurry/fuzzy.

To fix it I have to change my resolution down and then back up to 1080p and then it is crystal clear. This happened ever since I set up my 580 SLI, and maybe since I installed the latest nVidia drivers (beta).

Y'all think it is just a bug or has anyone else had this issue too?

Just as a test I print-screened and looked at the picture in Paint. Oddly enough, even if the display is fuzzy, the print-screen comes out clear. Any ideas?
 
So I'm about to order a second monitor to use for an extended desktop, but I'm still a little unsure about it because I have 2 cards in crossfire. I'm assuming it will still work as long as I plug it into the top card right?
 
Okay, so I just got around to submitting an RMA request to Corsair and removing and re-packaging my PSU. Hopefully I have no further problems with a replacement of the same model.
 
I am debating building a new PC. I have only tried this once before and I am nervous to try again after how bad the last experience was. Last time the PC did not work and when I took it in for tech support they said that while it looks like the PC was put together properly that the mother board and power supply were fried. They said it was most likely DoA, but either way the hours of my wife and I being frustrated trying to figure out a problem(that may not have been our fault)really soured us on the experience.

Despite that as I said we are thinking of trying again(looking at it like its $300 cheaper and if we break something I guess we take the $300 and pay to get it fixed here in Toledo!). I wanted to post here and ask if anyone has any advice and also ask for some help deciding on parts.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...ubCategory=343&SortField=0&PageSize=10&page=1

Are any of these packages a really good idea? My main goal is an i5 with a mid to slightly upper range graphics card. Id like to keep it around $1,000 if possible and I would like to build it in a way that I will not have to upgrade for 2-3 years and even then not do more then RAM/Graphics card if possible.

Thanks!
 
barnone said:
Can anyone explain some things about RAM to me? My MSI p67a-gd55 supports 1600mhz ram but that's only if I overclock it? I ask because on the newegg product page, 1600* (OC) is listed. Would a standard 1600mhz ram piece work?

Also, what do the PC10300 and other such codes mean?
With sandy bridge MB, ram can run at different speeds then bus / BLK. So, you can set the ram at 1600mhz and not be overclocking.

PC10300 label means peak transfer rate of 10300 MB/s.
 
MSIMagus said:
I am debating building a new PC. I have only tried this once before and I am nervous to try again after how bad the last experience was. Last time the PC did not work and when I took it in for tech support they said that while it looks like the PC was put together properly that the mother board and power supply were fried. They said it was most likely DoA, but either way the hours of my wife and I being frustrated trying to figure out a problem(that may not have been our fault)really soured us on the experience.

Despite that as I said we are thinking of trying again(looking at it like its $300 cheaper and if we break something I guess we take the $300 and pay to get it fixed here in Toledo!). I wanted to post here and ask if anyone has any advice and also ask for some help deciding on parts.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...ubCategory=343&SortField=0&PageSize=10&page=1

Are any of these packages a really good idea? My main goal is an i5 with a mid to slightly upper range graphics card. Id like to keep it around $1,000 if possible and I would like to build it in a way that I will not have to upgrade for 2-3 years and even then not do more then RAM/Graphics card if possible.

Thanks!

I don't keep up on what parts are the best ect but I can really relate about the story with frustration from past builds. I reluctantly built a new PC this year after being fed up with the one I built 3 years ago. My strategy was
1)Buy nice parts, buy brands you trust aka for me ASUS, MSI, and Corsair
2) Stay away from cheap ram AKA Gskill (I know Gskill gets recommended a lot here but they have only given me trouble and they owe me hours of my life back
3) Base your computer goals outside of price, for example think about what are you tempature goals and how silent do you want the pc
4) RMA any part at the first sign of being faulty
5) I wouldn't mount your motherboard during your first boot, place it on the plastic it come with and plug in every component. Past few months there have been numberous OMG I spent 1,000 dollars on a PC and it doesnt even work wtf wtf wtf (including myself) and it turns out the motherboard is just grounded.
 
MSIMagus said:
I am debating building a new PC. I have only tried this once before and I am nervous to try again after how bad the last experience was. Last time the PC did not work and when I took it in for tech support they said that while it looks like the PC was put together properly that the mother board and power supply were fried. They said it was most likely DoA, but either way the hours of my wife and I being frustrated trying to figure out a problem(that may not have been our fault)really soured us on the experience.

Despite that as I said we are thinking of trying again(looking at it like its $300 cheaper and if we break something I guess we take the $300 and pay to get it fixed here in Toledo!). I wanted to post here and ask if anyone has any advice and also ask for some help deciding on parts.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...ubCategory=343&SortField=0&PageSize=10&page=1

Are any of these packages a really good idea? My main goal is an i5 with a mid to slightly upper range graphics card. Id like to keep it around $1,000 if possible and I would like to build it in a way that I will not have to upgrade for 2-3 years and even then not do more then RAM/Graphics card if possible.

Thanks!

The OP has a nice $1000 build that seems well thought out. It should serve your purposes very well, assuming that you aren't looking to do multi-monitor gaming or something. If it doesn't, a little more information about your intended uses would be helpful (which games you'd like to play, at what resolution, what features you absolutely have to have, etc)

Once you've got the components picked out, follow Coldsnap's advice. Make sure you've applied the thermal paste correctly, and mounted the heatsink correctly, then try to boot the computer as it is resting on the anti-static bag it came in. If it works there, make sure you've installed the motherboard standoffs into your case, and install the mobo. If it doesn't work inside the case (and assuming that you've still got everything plugged in properly) you know it's likely a grounding issue.

The first time I built my own PC, I was a nervous wreck. I actually read the instructions (a practice I'm not longer wont to do) and probably spent five times as much time as I needed to.
 
LordCanti said:
The OP has a nice $1000 build that seems well thought out. It should serve your purposes very well, assuming that you aren't looking to do multi-monitor gaming or something. If it doesn't, a little more information about your intended uses would be helpful (which games you'd like to play, at what resolution, what features you absolutely have to have, etc)

Once you've got the components picked out, follow Coldsnap's advice. Make sure you've applied the thermal paste correctly, and mounted the heatsink correctly, then try to boot the computer as it is resting on the anti-static bag it came in. If it works there, make sure you've installed the motherboard standoffs into your case, and install the mobo. If it doesn't work inside the case (and assuming that you've still got everything plugged in properly) you know it's likely a grounding issue.

The first time I built my own PC, I was a nervous wreck. I actually read the instructions (a practice I'm not longer wont to do) and probably spent five times as much time as I needed to.


Well like I said the main goal for the PC is gaming. Outside gaming torrents and storage for my movies and pictures is really the only concern. If I am to pay nearly a grand for it id hope it would play almost anything on the market on a fairly high setting. If it does not though I would be ok with that if it lasted me a long time. Really cost and how long it lasts are my main concerns. Id rather pay $600 and get a PC that plays everything on mid settings for the next few years and then a few more after a RAM/Graphics Card update then pay $1,000 + for it now, run everything on high and still need the same upgrade in a few years. I tend to not play the newest/latest games anyways and instead wait a year or so and get them for $5-$10 on sale anyways.

If my best bet is to spend less and buy a midrange PC right now im cool with that, but id really rather not mess around with having to upgrade the processor any time soon.

As for the games I play, well as I said I tend to play things a year or so behind. Second though it needs to be able to play almost anything I toss at it. While most of the time I play casual games or stuff like Torchlight 2 and Diablo 3 which are not machine chuggers, I do still play stuff like Bioshock or Crisis that come along and chug machines a bit more.

If there is any other info I can give to help you(well help you help me!)then just ask. Thanks for trying to help!

Edit - Also the suggestion to set your PC up outside of the case is very helpfull. Last time me and my wife put the motherboard in right at the start and had to deal with the case being in the way as we tried to build the rest of it.
 
Yeah must Fry's Electronics be the only store that carries a wide variety of graphics cards in San Diego? I traveled to the only 2 locations here looking for a ASUS GTX 570, which they had them in stock. However they were opened boxes...all of them! I'm not going to pay that much money and get product that already been used by someone else. Damn you Fry's!!!! >:[

I'm placing my order online with Newegg or Amazon, fuck it.
 
Found the thing on the OP that you were talking about. Thanks to the guy that posted it and came up with it, I am sure it will be very helpfull! Anyways my answers

Basic Desktop Questions:

Budget: Price Range + Country $700-$1,200 US

Main Use: Gaming, Emulation (PS2/Wii), general usage (Word, Web, 1080p playback) will be why I am getting this. Main use is gaming and I tend to run a lot of torrents at the same time. We use our PC as our primary source for TV.

Monitor Resolution: Not sure. How do I check this? Iv got a pretty good sized monitor(around 23-25 inches I believe).

List SPECIFIC games that you MUST be able to play: PS2 Emulation, Diablo 3, Torchlight 2 are my main concerns, but id still REALLY like to be able to toss pretty much anything at the new rig and have it play it for the next 3+ years without upgrade and 5 or more with upgrades. I dont have to run things at the max settings, I just want to be able to run them. I am usually more concerned with load times then graphics quality.

Are reusing any parts?: Nope, just the monitor and even that I may replace.

When will you build?: - Whenever. Id like to build within 3-6 months max though. I will start within the month if there is not a good reason to wait.

Will you be overclocking?: - Almost def not. Less it seems amazingly easy I really doubt I will.

Thanks again to everyone putting work in to help me and others here!
 
MSIMagus said:
Found the thing on the OP that you were talking about. Thanks to the guy that posted it and came up with it, I am sure it will be very helpfull! Anyways my answers

Basic Desktop Questions:

Budget: Price Range + Country $700-$1,200 US

Main Use: Gaming, Emulation (PS2/Wii), general usage (Word, Web, 1080p playback) will be why I am getting this. Main use is gaming and I tend to run a lot of torrents at the same time. We use our PC as our primary source for TV.

Monitor Resolution: Not sure. How do I check this? Iv got a pretty good sized monitor(around 23-25 inches I believe).

List SPECIFIC games that you MUST be able to play: PS2 Emulation, Diablo 3, Torchlight 2 are my main concerns, but id still REALLY like to be able to toss pretty much anything at the new rig and have it play it for the next 3+ years without upgrade and 5 or more with upgrades. I dont have to run things at the max settings, I just want to be able to run them. I am usually more concerned with load times then graphics quality.

Are reusing any parts?: Nope, just the monitor and even that I may replace.

When will you build?: - Whenever. Id like to build within 3-6 months max though. I will start within the month if there is not a good reason to wait.

Will you be overclocking?: - Almost def not. Less it seems amazingly easy I really doubt I will.

Thanks again to everyone putting work in to help me and others here!

With a 2500k, I don't think the processor would be the bottleneck for the next couple of years. The GPU will be the bottleneck before the CPU. The $100 extra you could spend to get a card like the GTX 570 over a GTX 560ti or HD6950, will offer better FPS for awhile, but it will be outdated almost as quick. A lot of people (most gamers actually, according to Steam statistics) seem to see the wisdom in continually swapping out mid-range ($150-$200) cards every couple of years, instead of spending hundreds more on something like the GTX 580. Three years without upgrading is stretching it though, and five years with upgrades is kind of out of the question. The upgrade paths on these components just aren't that long. Before five years, you'd need a new motherboard because the CPU socket had changed, and you may need new RAM, and you'd certainly need a new GPU. The only things unlikely to change in that time is the PSU, the case (ATX doesn't seem to be going anywhere) and the HDD (they will gain more capacity, but more speed is unlikely as SSD take over).

PS2 emulation isn't going to work perfectly no matter how much you spend. Having said that, a 2500k at a high clock speed is probably your best bet for that. Some games won't work no matter what. For what it's worth, I've heard that PS2 emulation is CPU bottlenecked right now (my results with my GTX 580 and C2D E8500 seems to agree with that. Shadow of the Colossus doesn't run any better on my GTX 580 than it did on my HD 4850, at the same resolution, using the same processor).

1080p video should be no problem for a 2500k, without GPU help (though that guy from earlier was having some odd issues...he never came back to get more help though, so maybe he figured it out)

Diablo 3 won't be graphics intensive, nor will Torchlight 2 (probably).

You should reuse parts, if you have any worth reusing. A hard drive is a hard drive after all (unless you are going SSD), and a DVD drive is generally a DVD drive.

"When will you build" - I've heard people saying that the AMD HD7000 series is coming up this fall, but who knows how much of an improvement that is going to be. The same can be said of Bulldozer (AMD hasn't shown me any reason to believe that they'll overtake Intel in terms of performance. Others may have a differing opinion.). Prices may get lower around black friday, but that is kind of a crap shoot.

"Will you be overclocking" - I would. From everything I've heard, the 2500k is simple to overclock, and very stable and cool at high clock speeds. It's free performance for those willing to take it.

Any other questions?
 
Not really a PC parts question per say, but can anyone tell me if a standard Play & Charge kit for a 360 controller works with a PC wireless 360 controller plugged into a PC USB port to charge? Not to use it to play over USB, but just to charge the controller?
 
teiresias said:
Not really a PC parts question per say, but can anyone tell me if a standard Play & Charge kit for a 360 controller works with a PC wireless 360 controller plugged into a PC USB port to charge? Not to use it to play over USB, but just to charge the controller?

It'll charge over pretty much any USB port. You're right in thinking that using the charge cable doesn't turn it into a wired controller.
 
OP build.
Sub the 750W for an XFX Core 550W. Doesn't sound like you will SLi anytime soon.
Maybe swap the 570 for a 560 Ti if you want to cut off a bit of cash there.
F4 2TB is as fast as other drives. No worries there. You can put in an SSD if you want a faster OS.
Your resolution is most likely 1920x1080
LordCanti said:
"When will you build" - I've heard people saying that the AMD HD7000 series is coming up this fall, but who knows how much of an improvement that is going to be. The same can be said of Bulldozer (AMD hasn't shown me any reason to believe that they'll overtake Intel in terms of performance. Others may have a differing opinion.). Prices may get lower around black friday, but that is kind of a crap shoot.
I heard Q1 2012 for the 7 series, but there is no set dates, only speculations.
Do you have a source?
 
Hazaro said:
OP build.
Sub the 750W for an XFX Core 550W. Doesn't sound like you will SLi anytime soon.
Maybe swap the 570 for a 560 Ti if you want to cut off a bit of cash there.
F4 2TB is as fast as other drives. No worries there. You can put in an SSD if you want a faster OS.
Your resolution is most likely 1920x1080

I heard Q1 2012 for the 7 series, but there is no set dates, only speculations.
Do you have a source?

Just internet scuttlebutt. It's worth it for him to assume that there will be new parts out around Q3-Q4 though. Better to assume there will be, than to assume there won't be, and come back to yell at us because he upgraded right before the new parts came out. I once upgraded to a socket AM2 processor from AMD, the week before Core 2 Duo came out. Ever since, I've made sure to tell people that bigger and better things might be coming in a specific time frame, even if they may not be. It's up to the individual to decide how long they're willing to wait, based on that information.

(I might pull the trigger on a new build myself here in the next week or two, based on the $1000 build, and using the GTX 580 and PSU I already bought.)
 
Just finished my build yesterday. Every piece of advice I was given here was vital to me making a great PC.

My Final Build:

CPU-i5 2500k
MOBO-P67 Extreme 4
POWER-750W
MEM-16GB of RipJaws
GPU-GTX 560 Ti
HDD-2TB Hitachi

As of this moment, I'm perfectly fine with my build. However, by the time that Battlefield 3 comes out, I want to be able to SLI. Would it be possible to use a GTX 570 (or 670 when it comes out) as my main card and the 560 as my Physx card?
 
Mully said:
Just finished my build yesterday. Every piece of advice I was given here was vital to me making a great PC.

My Final Build:

CPU-i5 2500k
MOBO-P67 Extreme 4
POWER-750W
MEM-16GB of RipJaws
GPU-GTX 560 Ti
HDD-2TB Hitachi

As of this moment, I'm perfectly fine with my build. However, by the time that Battlefield 3 comes out, I want to be able to SLI. Would it be possible to use a GTX 570 (or 670 when it comes out) as my main card and the 560 as my Physx card?
Yes, should be possible, Right now I'm using a 570 as my main with 460 as physx card.
 
So my brother wants me to build him a new gaming rig with a budget of around $700, and the only thing he doesn't need is a case. Just put one together on newegg and wanted to see if anyone had an opinion or suggestions:

ASUS EAH6870 DC/2DI2S/1GD5 Radeon HD 6870
Item #: N82E16814121418 .....................$199.99

ASUS M5A97 EVO AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
Item #: N82E16813131757 .....................$119.99

AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ955FBGMBOX
Item #: N82E16819103808 ......................$119.99

CORSAIR XMS 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
Item #: N82E16820145339 .......................$42.99

CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX650 V2 650W ATX12V
Item #: N82E16817139020 .......................$89.99

ZALMAN CNPS8000A 92mm 2 Ball CPU Cooling Fan/Heatsink
Item #: N82E16835118062 .......................$39.99

Western Digital Caviar Black WD7502AAEX 750GB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s
Item #: N82E16822136794 .......................$69.99

LG DVD Burner Black SATA Model GH24NS70
Item #: N82E16827136236 .......................$19.99

Grand Total after shipping is $710.55

It has about $40 worth of mail in rebates but im not counting those because chances are they will never be used

So anyways let me know what you think
 
SuicideUZI said:
So my brother wants me to build him a new gaming rig with a budget of around $700, and the only thing he doesn't need is a case. Just put one together on newegg and wanted to see if anyone had an opinion or suggestions:

ASUS EAH6870 DC/2DI2S/1GD5 Radeon HD 6870
Item #: N82E16814121418 .....................$199.99

ASUS M5A97 EVO AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
Item #: N82E16813131757 .....................$119.99

AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ955FBGMBOX
Item #: N82E16819103808 ......................$119.99

CORSAIR XMS 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
Item #: N82E16820145339 .......................$42.99

CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX650 V2 650W ATX12V
Item #: N82E16817139020 .......................$89.99

ZALMAN CNPS8000A 92mm 2 Ball CPU Cooling Fan/Heatsink
Item #: N82E16835118062 .......................$39.99

Western Digital Caviar Black WD7502AAEX 750GB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s
Item #: N82E16822136794 .......................$69.99

LG DVD Burner Black SATA Model GH24NS70
Item #: N82E16827136236 .......................$19.99

Grand Total after shipping is $710.55

It has about $40 worth of mail in rebates but im not counting those because chances are they will never be used

So anyways let me know what you think
Op budget build with some substitutions.
Can fit in a 560 Ti after rebate for same price.
Zalman coolers cool badly, but you can get it for the looks if you want.
Samsung drivers faster quieter cheaper
Intel faster + 1155 upgrade path
 
SuicideUZI said:
So my brother wants me to build him a new gaming rig with a budget of around $700, and the only thing he doesn't need is a case. Just put one together on newegg and wanted to see if anyone had an opinion or suggestions:

-snip-

Grand Total after shipping is $710.55

It has about $40 worth of mail in rebates but im not counting those because chances are they will never be used

So anyways let me know what you think
Yeah, the $600 build in the OP with some adjustments would be better. Replace the GPU with a 560Ti/6950 and the HDD with a Samsung F4 2TB. The ones linked would bring you to $644, and that's without the $50 in rebates. If you wanted you could spend the savings on a better GPU, or maybe a CPU cooler if his case has room (although you can't really OC the i3, so that would primarily be for a possible CPU upgrade later).

And I don't think the F4 still needs a firmware update, they should all be shipped with the latest (and fixed) firmware these days. Don't take that as fact though, I'm not totally sure.
 
Hey PC-GAF.

I had a problem (that I fixed just now it seems) where my main GPU (in SLI) would overheat at any sign of stress. It was touching 100C at 100% fan speed. Swapping round the cards seemed to have solved the problem as I'm getting 70c at 60% fan speed now in the same spots.

Any reason why swapping the cards round would have fixed this?
 
On the fence about upgrading right now to an i5 system from an E8400 system but I know sandy-bridgeE and ivy-bridge are soonish. I've no problem waiting but do we have a rough time on when they drop or are we talking 6+ months?
 
Hi guys

As I posted before I'm looking at making a case mod. Case I'm looking at getting is a Corsair Graphite 600T, anyone got any hands on opinions on this thing? I'm looking for a case with good water cooling features, wide enough to support modern GPUs (do any not support nowadays?), and decent for modding. 600T seems to be just that.

I'll be upgrading from a CM 690 II, which is actually a fantastic case but doesn't suit modding too well. That said, I saw a CoD themed one that looked amazing but doesn't suit my Starcraft theme. :)
 
awwyeahgurrl said:
On the fence about upgrading right now to an i5 system from an E8400 system but I know sandy-bridgeE and ivy-bridge are soonish. I've no problem waiting but do we have a rough time on when they drop or are we talking 6+ months?
I think Sandy Bridge-E is planned for around January, but those will probably be pretty expensive compared to current SB CPUs. And they probably won't offer much benefit for general use/gaming either, especially when you take OCing into account.

Ivy Bridge is supposedly coming around March/April. Considering waiting for that for an upgrade myself, unless Bulldozer manages to blow away SB. Doesn't seem too likely though.
 
Basic Desktop Questions:
Your Current Specs: AMD 3000+, Radeon X1650, 2 gig ram (yeah i know, dont laugh)
Budget: €700 euro, the Netherlands
Main Use: Gaming
Monitor Resolution: 1680x1050, no intention to go higher until my monitor craps itself.
List SPECIFIC games that you MUST be able to play: Guild Wars 2, Mass Effect 3, Skyrim
Are you reusing any parts?: nothing, the thing is 7-8 years old by now.
When will you build?: within the next month probably.
Will you be overclocking?: no overclocking, no casemodding, nothing. I want to put the case under my desk and forget about it.


Looking at this for now:

CPU + Cooler: Intel I3-2100 + Scythe Samurai ZZ
Motherboard: ASrock H67M-GE
GPU: EVGA GeForce GTX 460 SSC 1 gigabyte
HDD: Samsung Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ - 1000GB
Memory: Kingston ValueRAM 4 GB DDR3-1333 Kit, CL9 9-9-24, PC3 10600
PSU: corsair CMPSU-500cxv2 (500 Watt, ATX 2.03, EPS, ATX12V 2.3, 5 x, 4 x)
Optical: Sony Optiarc DDU1681S-0B
Case: Cooler Master Elite 330 + extra 120MM fan
OS: Windows 7 home premium 64-bit

total cost: 670 euro's.

Should be ok, right? Not really sure about the CPU-cooler though. I dont really care about being able to play upcoming games with all details to the max, but it would be nice if i could go without upgrading for a year or two, while playing games on medium or high quality at 1680x1050 resolution.
 
HarryHengst said:
Should be ok, right? Not really sure about the CPU-cooler though. I dont really care about being able to play upcoming games with all details to the max, but it would be nice if i could go without upgrading for a year or two, while playing games on medium or high quality at 1680x1050 resolution.
Not sure about pricing, but I'd probably drop the CPU cooler and extra fan and spend the savings on a HAF 912 case if that's an option. The stock cooler will be sufficient for stock speeds (and you can't OC that CPU anyway) and you shouldn't need any extra fans with that case.

460 should be able to play ME3 and Skyrim pretty well at that resolution. Not max settings or with tons of AA or anything, but still well beyond console-level.
 
Any guides and/or checklists out there for assembling everything ?
So I don't overlook anything and make dumb but ultimately costly mistakes ?
 
Youtube has a tonne of videos. Focus on videos with instructions on how to install your CPU, which is easily the most nerve racking for some people.

Other then that, things go in one way, pretty much. Take your time and don't be affraid to check the manual(which usually have horrible instructions).
 
Taking the gtx460 as listed in the $600 build, how hard would it be to overclock it?
Would a cooler need to be bought?
Would that justify overclocking it or at that point would it be better just to go for the 560ti or something?

This is coming from someone who has no experience with overclocking, the only reason I would want to do it would be to save money...
 
goodfella said:
Taking the gtx460 as listed in the $600 build, how hard would it be to overclock it?
Would a cooler need to be bought?
Would that justify overclocking it or at that point would it be better just to go for the 560ti or something?

This is coming from someone who has no experience with overclocking, the only reason I would want to do it would be to save money...
Overclocking a GPU is extremely simple, since it's done in Windows and all you have to do is move some sliders in a program like Afterburner or Trixx (and test for stability of course).

You probably wouldn't get a big OC out of that GPU though, a card with a better cooler could go further, but also cost $20-$40 more. You should be able to get something out of it though, 460s in general OC pretty well IIRC.
 
Hazaro said:
OP build.
Sub the 750W for an XFX Core 550W. Doesn't sound like you will SLi anytime soon.
Maybe swap the 570 for a 560 Ti if you want to cut off a bit of cash there.
F4 2TB is as fast as other drives. No worries there. You can put in an SSD if you want a faster OS.
Your resolution is most likely 1920x1080

I heard Q1 2012 for the 7 series, but there is no set dates, only speculations.
Do you have a source?

First off thanks to both you and LordCanti for helping. Most of the build for the OP $1,000 looks pretty good and is likely what I will go with. However I do have one question.

Is there anything I can use here to cut prices? I see when you buy bundles it saves $50-$100 easily, but I am not sure how many of these bundles matched the $1,000 OP build.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...ubCategory=343&SortField=0&PageSize=10&page=1
 
toasty_T said:
Do the 2TB Samsungs still need the firmware update to work properly or are they ok now?

Thinking about buying one as a backup drive.

New drives should have the proper firmware. The only thing is that the newer firmware doesn't actually have a different version name/number, so it's kind of hard to tell without actually trying to update it.
 
gokieks said:
Sandy Bridge CPUs' default memory controller speed is 1333MHz. To use 1600/2133 would require specifically setting it (overclocking it).

Alright. Is that just a simple setting in the BIOS that I can adjust? Or do I have to experiment with voltages?
 
How does the MSI GTX 570 OC compare to the MSI GTX 560 Ti? There any tangible benefit to going for the 570? I'll be gaming at 1650 x 1080 for what it's worth.
 
Since I bought the 212 Hyper Plus by Cooler Master, I should definitely Overclock my i5-2500k right? It seems like it would be a waste not to.

Also, it looks like it's gonna be a pain to install that thing when I'm ready to build. Anyone have any good guides for installing that specific cpu fan?
 
Hazaro said:
Op budget build with some substitutions.
Can fit in a 560 Ti after rebate for same price.
Zalman coolers cool badly, but you can get it for the looks if you want.
Samsung drivers faster quieter cheaper
Intel faster + 1155 upgrade path
560ti is still around $225 after rebate whereas the 6870 he mentioned is $180.00 after rebate. You've have to set a hard budget somewhere otherwise you’re looking at $1,000.00 plus system before you know it. Also, I don't think that AM3+ is such a bad idea. There's been tons of coupon deals on the 955 be where it's been priced around $100.00. He might even be better off getting a x3 450 for around $70.00 and just upgrading when the bulldozer chips come out. If AMD can get anywhere close to Sandybridge and it make cheaper (I think they've said their goal is compete with Intel in terms of value) that's where people on a budget should go.
 
barnone said:
Alright. Is that just a simple setting in the BIOS that I can adjust? Or do I have to experiment with voltages?
Should just be a matter of changing the RAM multiplier. Will probably specifically say "1333MHz" and you just change it to 1600. Might also say 667 if the bios is giving the actual speed and not the DDR speed (I think mine does this), in that case change it to 800.

Red Blaster said:
How does the MSI GTX 570 OC compare to the MSI GTX 560 Ti? There any tangible benefit to going for the 570? I'll be gaming at 1650 x 1080 for what it's worth.
They are two different GPUs just like the 570 and 580, or the 6950 and 6970. NVidia kind of made it confusing. The Ti model is the "real" 560 and the basic one is gimped (an OC'd 460 more or less).

At 1680x1050 a 570 will be overkill though, you would be more than fine with a 560Ti unless you plan to upgrade your monitor in the near future.

560ti is still around $225 after rebate whereas the 6870 he mentioned is $180.00 after rebate. You've have to set a hard budget somewhere otherwise you’re looking at $1,000.00 plus system before you know it. Also, I don't think that AM3+ is such a bad idea. There's been tons of coupon deals on the 955 be where it's been priced around $100.00. He might even be better off getting a x3 450 for around $70.00 and just upgrading when the bulldozer chips come out. If AMD can get anywhere close to Sandybridge and it make cheaper (I think they've said their goal is compete with Intel in terms of value) that's where people on a budget should go.
Regarding the GPU, the 560Ti is a good step above the 6870. It competes closely with the 6950. It's worth it to step up to that while shaving off a few dollars here and there.

And Bulldozer is still an unknown quantity. A Sandy Bridge CPU is not, they are great CPUs and a 2500k will last for years to come. BD might turn out to be great and compete well with Intel, or it could be another Phenom I and be a total disappointment.
 
chaosblade said:
Regarding the GPU, the 560Ti is a good step above the 6870. It competes closely with the 6950. It's worth it to step up to that while shaving off a few dollars here and there.
True, but with a 560ti you're looking at more power needed to run it and more heat. If you're on a budget and plan on getting a case say the haf 912 you'll probably need to get added fans which will $30 for a couple fans. But if you spend that much on fans you might as well get a haf 922 which is a $100 case as opposed to the $60.00 haf 912. If you're on a budget you just have to stop somewhere. You can't keep on adding $30 and $40 here and there because it will never stop. He might as well stay with a 6870 which handle most everything at 1680 x 1050 along with handling allot of games at 1920 x 1080.
 
Tashi0106 said:
Since I bought the 212 Hyper Plus by Cooler Master, I should definitely Overclock my i5-2500k right? It seems like it would be a waste not to.

Also, it looks like it's gonna be a pain to install that thing when I'm ready to build. Anyone have any good guides for installing that specific cpu fan?

Yeah, no harm in OC'ing things. Would be a waste if you do it to the point where you have to start changing voltages when you don't need the extra power.
 
pedrothelion said:
True, but with a 560ti you're looking at more power needed to run it and more heat. If you're on a budget and plan on getting a case say the haf 912 you'll probably need to get added fans which will $30 for a couple fans. But if you spend that much on fans you might as well get a haf 922 which is a $100 case as opposed to the $60.00 haf 912. If you're on a budget you just have to stop somewhere. You can't keep on adding $30 and $40 here and there because it will never stop. He might as well stay with a 6870 which handle most everything at 1680 x 1050 along with handling allot of games at 1920 x 1080.
Actually a 560 Ti runs cooler than a 6870, but it does use more power. Not a lot more though, like 20 watts at load. The 430W Corsair in the OP should run it just fine although upgrades might be limited, or alternatively the PSU Hazaro recommended which wouldn't be as much of a bottleneck down the road.

And I replied to that user in question in this post, my suggestions based on the build in the OP actually cost less than what he originally posted, and would perform better as well.
 
Madrical said:
Hi guys

As I posted before I'm looking at making a case mod. Case I'm looking at getting is a Corsair Graphite 600T, anyone got any hands on opinions on this thing? I'm looking for a case with good water cooling features, wide enough to support modern GPUs (do any not support nowadays?), and decent for modding. 600T seems to be just that.

I'll be upgrading from a CM 690 II, which is actually a fantastic case but doesn't suit modding too well. That said, I saw a CoD themed one that looked amazing but doesn't suit my Starcraft theme. :)
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I love the white edition. Build was a breeze, the mesh is one touch removable for cleaning, lots of space, good temps, solid construction, and the materials are excellent. Would recommend for sure.
 
Hey guys, I remember somewhere (in last year's thread, I think) I saw a link to a website that lets you quickly download a bunch of software for new computers, like they had a section for browsers and you checked which ones you wanted, and a section for torrent software, and a section for programming tools, etc, and then you hit a button at the bottom and it downloaded all the programs you checked off. Well I got a new computer and remembered this website, but can't remember what it's called and I can't find the link.
 
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