"I need a New PC!" 2011 Thread of reading the OP. Seriously. [Part 2]
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Lasthope106
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Lasthope106
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I have a question about properly powering a newer GPU.
Yesterday, I upgraded my graphics card from an 8800GT to a GTX 560 Ti. The new card has two 6-pin power connectors instead of one like the 8800GT. Since my power supply is from 2007, it only has one GPU connector. To make matters worse, the 560 came with an 2 4-pin to 1 6-pin adapter, but I had to use it with in cables from the power supply that already had one or more things connected to them. Will this cause a problem?
Here is a rough sketch:
The computer booted up ok, and seems to be working fine.
Yesterday, I upgraded my graphics card from an 8800GT to a GTX 560 Ti. The new card has two 6-pin power connectors instead of one like the 8800GT. Since my power supply is from 2007, it only has one GPU connector. To make matters worse, the 560 came with an 2 4-pin to 1 6-pin adapter, but I had to use it with in cables from the power supply that already had one or more things connected to them. Will this cause a problem?
Here is a rough sketch:
The computer booted up ok, and seems to be working fine.
I thought mine was all the standoffs as well, but it turns out one was barely not all the way screwed in and was grounding it. Can you look at the back side of the case and just make sure they are all sticking out the same amount? And you also have the PWR, Reset, all those little pins in the correct socket? They should be near the Led+ and -
The_Inquisitor
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Thanks for the help guys! My 560 is on the way.
I plan to get an IPS (most likely a Dell) and a 128gb SSD later this year. (please give me brand suggestions, is intel still king?)
Now onto another question. I currently own a Thermaltake Armor A90. I love the case, but I can't help but wonder if I could get something with better airflow. I would use my armor case as my full-time NAS box down the road.
So on that thought vein, what (presumably) larger cases are recommended on the market. I know about the OP but I like hearing GAFers opinions. I'd be will to spend a little over 100.
I plan to get an IPS (most likely a Dell) and a 128gb SSD later this year. (please give me brand suggestions, is intel still king?)
Now onto another question. I currently own a Thermaltake Armor A90. I love the case, but I can't help but wonder if I could get something with better airflow. I would use my armor case as my full-time NAS box down the road.
So on that thought vein, what (presumably) larger cases are recommended on the market. I know about the OP but I like hearing GAFers opinions. I'd be will to spend a little over 100.
The_Inquisitor said:
I grabbed a Vertex 2 120GB in march and it died on me, they sent me a replacement but I'm pretty underwhelmed by the speeds of it. I won't be buying an OCZ for my next one.
I'm also grabbing a 30" Dell tomorrow, and was wondering what people's experiences with 2560x1600 are. I'm only running a single 1.5GB GTX580, so I'll see where that takes me.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
So after all the suggestions, here's my current loadout:
HAF X case - $189.99
Either the ASUS P8Z68 Deluxe ($259) or the ASUS Maximus IV Extreme-Z Z68 ($359.99)
MSI N570GTX Twin Frozr II OC GeForce GTX 570 - $354.99
CORSAIR Professional Series HX1050 1050W Modular Power Supply - $229.99
Intel Core i7-2600K - $314.99
Noctua NH-C14 140mm x 2 SSO CPU Cooler - $89.99
CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 15000) - $99.99
Either the Corsair Force Series GT 60GB SATA III SSD ($154.99) or the Corsair Force Series GT 120GB SATA III SSD ($254.99)
Western Digital Caviar Black 2TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" - $149.99
ASUS VH242H Black 23.6" 5ms HDMI Full 1080P Widescreen LCD Monitor - $179.99
SAMSUNG CD/DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-222AB - $19.99
Subtotal: $2,044.89 (with all the lower priced options) / $2,244.89 (with all the higher priced options).
Note that the Force GT SSDs are currently at sale prices.
HAF X case - $189.99
Either the ASUS P8Z68 Deluxe ($259) or the ASUS Maximus IV Extreme-Z Z68 ($359.99)
MSI N570GTX Twin Frozr II OC GeForce GTX 570 - $354.99
CORSAIR Professional Series HX1050 1050W Modular Power Supply - $229.99
Intel Core i7-2600K - $314.99
Noctua NH-C14 140mm x 2 SSO CPU Cooler - $89.99
CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 15000) - $99.99
Either the Corsair Force Series GT 60GB SATA III SSD ($154.99) or the Corsair Force Series GT 120GB SATA III SSD ($254.99)
Western Digital Caviar Black 2TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" - $149.99
ASUS VH242H Black 23.6" 5ms HDMI Full 1080P Widescreen LCD Monitor - $179.99
SAMSUNG CD/DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-222AB - $19.99
Subtotal: $2,044.89 (with all the lower priced options) / $2,244.89 (with all the higher priced options).
Note that the Force GT SSDs are currently at sale prices.
Eltacoman said:
Wow, I really didn't think it wouldn't work but it did. As it was working, I just figured out what the problem was when I took the mobo off. Cooler master labels which standoff you should have for standard and micro, and apparently I had it on a stand off that wasn't coming through any holes. Ughhhhhh biggest rookie mistake ever.
Thanks again. You just saved me from another rma.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
I want to leave the option for going SLI down the road, hence the larger PSU. The AX line goes from 850 (would be borderline for me if I went SLI plus OC'd) to 1200 (probably too much, I don't plan on extreme OCing or going triple GPU).RS4- said:
evil solrac v3.0
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vocab said:
YaaaaY!!! all is good, now post pictures of your build!
XiaNaphryz said:
yikes thats a lot of money. I could probably trim it down a bit with same specs. would you like to see if i can try and build your rig but for a lower price?
also, do you live in california? newegg goes a long way if you're not a CA resident. sadly i'm not one of them
Newegg just sent me a $50 gift card for my troubles with UPS thieving on my Hard Drive I ordered from them 3 weeks ago and never received.
Not sure what I should do with it since my new build is complete
i5 2500k
Gigabyte Z68 mobo
4 GB G-skill RAM
GTX 560ti
The only thing I could possibly need now is maybe a new PSU, but my 500w Xclio has been doing fine for 4 years and I hate to replace it since its not giving me any trouble.
Or - I could order another 4GB ram kit and I've got a 10% discount newegg code good for another 24 hours, for any RAM purchased. I could effectively add another 4GB for around $35 w/free shipping.
Not sure what I should do with it since my new build is complete
i5 2500k
Gigabyte Z68 mobo
4 GB G-skill RAM
GTX 560ti
The only thing I could possibly need now is maybe a new PSU, but my 500w Xclio has been doing fine for 4 years and I hate to replace it since its not giving me any trouble.
Or - I could order another 4GB ram kit and I've got a 10% discount newegg code good for another 24 hours, for any RAM purchased. I could effectively add another 4GB for around $35 w/free shipping.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Yep, I'm in CA and these are all Newegg prices. And I know there's savings out there (i.e. go with a P67 Pro instead of a P67/Z68 Deluxe, go i5 instead of i7, go with lower clock spec'd RAM, go with cheaper CPU cooler, etc). I haven't started to look for bundle deals yet either or shop around to find a better price point, this was just the wishlist loadout.tehbible said:yikes thats a lot of money. I could probably trim it down a bit with same specs. would you like to see if i can try and build your rig but for a lower price?
also, do you live in california? newegg goes a long way if you're not a CA resident. sadly i'm not one of them
Tried my best to find the parts or their equivalents using Komplett.seHazaro said:
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[URL="http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=619274"]Intel Core i5 2500K[/URL]
[URL="http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=623449"]Corsair TX V2 750W PSU[/URL]
[URL="http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=638785"]MSI GeForce GTX 570 1280MB PhysX[/URL]
[URL="http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=597381"]Corsair Dominator DHX DDR3 1600MHz 8GB[/URL]
[URL="http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=620189"]Western Digital Caviar® Blue 500GB[/URL]
[URL="http://www.komplett.se/k/kl.aspx?bn=10034&mfr=&filter=A03240.K105965."]DVD - unsure[/URL]
[URL="http://www.komplett.se/k/kl.aspx?bn=10464"]Cooling Fan - unsure[/URL]
[URL="http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=626379"]ASUS P8P67 EVO B3, Socket-1155[/URL]
[URL="http://www.komplett.se/k/kc.aspx?bn=10149"]And then I'll need a chassi, too[/URL]If I switch the graphics card for an ASUS GeForce GTX 560Ti 1GB PhysX CUDA (random recommended PCI-express card) it brings it down to just under 9000 SEK. Would this card still be a good choice?
I think I need some more help, especially choosing DVD, fan and chassi. I have no idea.
Have to sleep now, will check back tomorrow.
Saren is Bad
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Yeah we have identical set ups (mesh with no fans) except I have SLI and I idle around 39 each so I'd definately look at fan speeds and such.Appleman said:
Lasthope106 said:
The computer booted up ok, and seems to be working fine.
You should be fine. Post the PSU specs if you can.
The fans and front panel won't draw shit for power. And the CD/DVD drives won't either unless you've got a disc spinning in them at the time. And older games that require a disc in the drive to play usually only check the disc periodically.
The only thing I would worry about is if your PSU just doesn't put out enough current on the +12V rail, or if you have multiple +12V rails (you might have to try to find out which lead is for which rail, and balance devices).
There's typically a label on the side of the PSU with it's specs. Post a pic of that if you can.
Did some searching for you on that site while I was waiting for my downloads to finish and came up with this:sinxtanx said:
Case: Cooler Master CM 690 II Advanced
CPU: Intel® Core i5-2500K Processor
Mobo: MSI P67A-GD65 B3
Heatsink: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus
DVD: Sony Optiarc DVD±RW Burner, AD-7260S
RAM: Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1600MHz 8GB CL9
PSU: Corsair TX V2 750W
HDD: Samsung SpinPoint F3 1TB
GPU: XFX Radeon HD 6950 2GB
Total coming out at 8.628. Followed the OP as much as I could. The motherboard is cheap compared to the others while it normally would cost more in the US from what I've seen. It has 8 GB of RAM as you requested. The 750W PSU just costs a little more than the 650W so might aswell go for 750W. Just search for whatever case you like instead of this one, if you insist (The Fractal R3 and HAF 922 are close in price to the current choice). As for the GPU, if you prefer Nvidia then you can go with the GTX560Ti that you linked and save about 350 SEK. Sadly getting a GTX 570 will go over your budget and you can't go much cheaper on the other parts anymore.
Anyway it looks like a solid build and hope this helps you. Also, swedish prices look pretty bad!
Trojita
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Anyone want to make me a HTPC build? The case would be preferably nice. I'd like the HTPC to have a built in IR Port. How well does IR integrate with Windows or Linux? I look at MAC OS and it looks like the mac remote is natively supported in it. To save money I could probably use a 4870 I was going to use in my server, but it doesn't support Bitstreaming. Do most people recommend a fan-less graphics card? My budget is around $500.
Laurentius
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When it comes to price vs. performance, it seems to me that the Core i5 2500k looks like the best deal. Would you guys agree?
Then again, if I'm on a budget, most games seem to be more GPU than CPU intsensive, so it may be worth getting a slightly cheaper CPU and put what I save into a nicer GPU. Hm...
Then again, if I'm on a budget, most games seem to be more GPU than CPU intsensive, so it may be worth getting a slightly cheaper CPU and put what I save into a nicer GPU. Hm...
Graphic card question. Maybe somebody here can explain it to me.
Playing Crysis 2 with everything set to Ultra, DX11, Hi-res pack, and Vsync off I get an average of 45 fps. When I put Vsync on my frames dip to 25-30 and is pretty unplayable to me. Looking at card usage when Vysnc is on, my card is only running at 60%-70%. With it off it runs at 99%.
I removed the DX11 and Hi res pack and loaded up my save. With everything still at Ultra with Vsync on I'm at the 60-65fps range and card utilization was in the 80%-90%.
Can somebody explain to me why utilization is so low with DX11, Ultra, Hi-Res pack, and Vsync enabled? I was reading that my 120hz monitor may have something to do with this? Dunno, just a little confused.
Playing Crysis 2 with everything set to Ultra, DX11, Hi-res pack, and Vsync off I get an average of 45 fps. When I put Vsync on my frames dip to 25-30 and is pretty unplayable to me. Looking at card usage when Vysnc is on, my card is only running at 60%-70%. With it off it runs at 99%.
I removed the DX11 and Hi res pack and loaded up my save. With everything still at Ultra with Vsync on I'm at the 60-65fps range and card utilization was in the 80%-90%.
Can somebody explain to me why utilization is so low with DX11, Ultra, Hi-Res pack, and Vsync enabled? I was reading that my 120hz monitor may have something to do with this? Dunno, just a little confused.
Horsemama1956
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Try forcing vsync with a program like d3doverrider. Sometimes the game will limit the fps if you can't maintain your refresh rate. If your fps is limited, your GPU usage will go down as it's not being utilized to its full potential.
XiaNaphryz said:
ah i see its your wishlist loadout.
Yeah, I'd definitely hit up MicroCenter if you have one in your area. Frys gives good deals on bundles (they used to at least) but they now price-match, a welcome change.
Mobo $169 (Gigabyte GA-Z68X)
Case $179 (HAF X)
PSU $210 (Seasonic 850-X) PSU Calculator if unsure
RAM $95 (Corsair Vengeance 2x4GB DDR3 1866)
CPU $280 (Core i7-2600k at Microcenter)
CPU COOLER $89 (Noctua NH-D14)
GPU $329 (eVGA GTX 570)
DVD-ROM $20 (OEM DVD-ROM Drive)
HDD $149 (Western Digital 2TB 7200 rpm)
SSD $260 (120GB Vertex 3 [Sandforce 3 Controller])
MONITOR $350 (HP ZR24W IPS 24 inch 1920 x 1200 display <---- ballllin)
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$2130 + tax (i kept your wishlist build, but changed out the mobo, psu, monitor)
Smokey said:
On my 60hz 1080p LCD (a 46" Samsung TV), Crysis 2 forces 24hz mode when I'm in fullscreen mode over HDMI. A quick switch to non-full screen (at the same resolution) greatly improves my framerates. Since it's stuck in 24hz mode, vsync caps things at 24hz, which isn't exactly an ideal way to play. With vsync off, things are better, but not as good as when in non-fullscreen mode
I also found this thread (http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=1101796&mpage=1) where a guy had the same problem as you, but it doesn't seem like he found a solution.
As far as I can tell, Crysis 2 is just buggy right now. I'm still looking for a solution.
XiaNaphryz said:
You've got an expensive Caviar Black as a storage drive, despite your SSD. I've always found 5400rpm more than adequate for storage, and they are a heck of a lot cheaper.
Other than that, there isn't much to say. Your build is well thought out, and while a penny pincher like me would definitely trim the fat (cheaper case, cheaper SSD, etc) I can see where you are coming from.
Have fun putting it together.
Trojita said:
$500 is a bit of a stretch, unless you've got parts left over to use. Do you want it to have Blu-Ray? Nice HTPC cases are $100+ by themselves, without considering any other parts.
AwesomeSauce
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I'd say just upgrade the graphics card to get the most out of a single upgrade.
If you're willing to spend ~200$ get a gtx 560ti or AMD equivalent and call it a day.
toastyToast
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Got my last few pieces now I'm ready to get going.
Have a question though. I plugged in a 2TB drive that I wanted to backup all my current stuff onto while I did a fresh install. Once I booted up windows it said that the drivers were installed but when I went Computer it didn't appear. It still doesn't appear. What's the deal?
edit: seems I have to initialize it first I can either choose MBR or GPT, which should I go with? This drive is going straight into another computer.
nvm got it.
Have a question though. I plugged in a 2TB drive that I wanted to backup all my current stuff onto while I did a fresh install. Once I booted up windows it said that the drivers were installed but when I went Computer it didn't appear. It still doesn't appear. What's the deal?
edit: seems I have to initialize it first I can either choose MBR or GPT, which should I go with? This drive is going straight into another computer.
nvm got it.
Lasthope106
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Mudkips said:
Here is what it looks like:
Trojita
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LordCanti said:
Crap, well like I said I do have a 4870 left over. The Blu-ray drive isn't necessary, since if I did get one it would be for my main pc to rip my blu-ray.
So it would be
Processor
Motherboard
Memory
Case
Wireless keyboard and mouse I'd probably count separate, but I will have to pick them up.
that would be needed I guess.
I was looking at the ASRock machines, but I see that they use laptop parts right?
Trojita said:
I came up with this. The case is expensive, but it was among the few models I saw with IR built in. The memory also has a code, that needs to be entered for $10 off. If you don't need blu-ray, that can obviously change as well. I left off the GPU because you said you have one, but I'd look into whether or not the built in intel graphics could handle BR decoding (I'm not sure). In any case, I'm sure they can handle DVD if you aren't going for blu-ray, or you aren't watching 1080p movies from other uhh...sources.
Edit: I forgot to add the PSU to cart. Since you don't want blu-ray, just subtract that cost, and add in maybe 40-50 for a PSU.
Double Edit: If you are buying a wireless mouse and keyboard, why did you need IR functionality? O_O
Here is an updated build, based on the idea that IR isn't wholly necessary (exchange this case for the previous Antec one, if you are sure you need it. Apparently IR on the PC is buggy as hell though), because you'll have a wireless keyboard/mouse. I also added a wireless HTPC mouse/keyboard hybrid device, that seems like it would work well for your purposes. There is a little money left over for a new video card, if you decide that the integrated graphics (or that 4870) aren't cutting it.
You didn't mention needing an HDD, but if you do, there are plenty of options at all different capacities and prices. I wouldn't know how much space you'd need, so I didn't add one.
You'll also need to budget for an OS, unless you are re-using an old one. (This is how the $500 price becomes a stretch). Usually you can call Microsoft and get them to allow your new computer (it's an automated process, if you have previous Windows install discs) but if you don't have those discs, you'll have to buy them (or use other.. means. Wink, nudge, etc). I got a license for like $30 through my uni, but I don't remember the URL.
(original build I had before the edits is here)
XiaNaphryz
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Thanks for the suggestions. Budget isn't too much of an issue for me, but I will keep an eye out for deals.tehbible said:
ConstructMe
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You would need to spend more than that to play on high.DR3AM said:
ConstructMe
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I got this Mobo.. Are you sure the light doesnt go out when in gets into Windows? Its normal to light up during booting.blanky said:
Dp sorry
BanditKing
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DR3AM said:
You should look out for rebates, and for individual deals to reach that target price.
If you have a frys around you can save on some stuff.
Ok installed the Audigy 2, was a little annoying because it'd install the drivers, tell me to restart, then go through the whole process again and ask if I'd like to uninstall the "old" drivers to install the new ones.
I can't say if there's any noticeable difference vs the onboard realtek HD audio; have yet to try it with any games and quickly fast forward through Saving Private Ryan.
At least it works lol.
I can't say if there's any noticeable difference vs the onboard realtek HD audio; have yet to try it with any games and quickly fast forward through Saving Private Ryan.
At least it works lol.
CarbonatedFalcon
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So...I'll probably be building a PC sometime between August to September (though I could wait a month or two more if significantly better deals or upgraded parts released then) from the cash I earn from my Summer job. Looking at about a $1000-$1200 build that will be able to run at least Skyrim and Diablo 3 on max settings, but before I get into some of the gritty details, I have one quick question:
Would a slightly lower tier graphics card with more memory (e.g. a GTX 560 Ti with 2GB VRAM) be superior to a higher tier card with more memory (GTX 570 with 1.5GB VRAM)?
It doesn't appear that the 570 comes in a configuration with 2GB VRAM and from my understanding VRAM is a significant bottleneck when it comes to applying shaders and making games look really pretty. Neither card appears to come with a 3GB VRAM configuration, though that would probably be overkill (and out of my price range.)
Would a slightly lower tier graphics card with more memory (e.g. a GTX 560 Ti with 2GB VRAM) be superior to a higher tier card with more memory (GTX 570 with 1.5GB VRAM)?
It doesn't appear that the 570 comes in a configuration with 2GB VRAM and from my understanding VRAM is a significant bottleneck when it comes to applying shaders and making games look really pretty. Neither card appears to come with a 3GB VRAM configuration, though that would probably be overkill (and out of my price range.)
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