BigBlackGamer
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Tallshortman said:Is she playing the Witcher 2 with a pad? Blasphemous
witcher 2 is awesome with a gamepad.
"I need a New PC!" 2011 Thread of reading the OP. Seriously. [Part 2]
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witcher 2 is awesome with a gamepad.
Unplugged the cables that run from the PSU to the mobo and plugged them back in and tried booting with just a keyboard and monitor connected. Verified that the RAM was properly seated along with the GPU. Same problem.
Here is a video of what looks to be the same problem on perhaps the same board... can't see because the quality of the video is so low: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5ThiMshY30
Someone there mentioned having issues with the RAM, so I tried various configurations of my two sticks including one stick of memory and no sticks of memory. Same problem.
The system is now consistently starting up for half a second when I hit the power then shutting off (LEDs go off, fans stop). About two seconds later, without touching the power button again, the system kicks back on and everything runs for about 30-40 seconds before powering off again. This happens regardless of whether I have RAM present or if the GPU or SSD is plugged in.
I know the GPU works fine since it was in my old desktop running happily for the last week. That was on a less powerful PSU as well.
Going to order another PSU since Amazon will have one here by the time I'm out of work tomorrow in the hopes that is the problem. If not, I'll assume it's the motherboard which will be kind of a kick in the teeth as that took a long while to install in the case.
Here is a video of what looks to be the same problem on perhaps the same board... can't see because the quality of the video is so low: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5ThiMshY30
Someone there mentioned having issues with the RAM, so I tried various configurations of my two sticks including one stick of memory and no sticks of memory. Same problem.
The system is now consistently starting up for half a second when I hit the power then shutting off (LEDs go off, fans stop). About two seconds later, without touching the power button again, the system kicks back on and everything runs for about 30-40 seconds before powering off again. This happens regardless of whether I have RAM present or if the GPU or SSD is plugged in.
I know the GPU works fine since it was in my old desktop running happily for the last week. That was on a less powerful PSU as well.
Going to order another PSU since Amazon will have one here by the time I'm out of work tomorrow in the hopes that is the problem. If not, I'll assume it's the motherboard which will be kind of a kick in the teeth as that took a long while to install in the case.
AwesomeSauce
MagsMoonshine
LaneDS said:
Try turning on the system on with the 8 pin cpu power unplugged.
Let me know what happens.
AwesomeSauce said:
Alright, unplugged the CPU power and tried booting it. First four times it shut itself off after about a second, but on the fifth attempt it stayed up. About five minutes later, the machine is still running. No monitor is hooked up, no RAM is installed, GPU is powered.
Very odd.
AwesomeSauce
MagsMoonshine
LaneDS said:
Most likely scenario is that your motherboard is bad and needs to be replaced.
AwesomeSauce
MagsMoonshine
LaneDS said:
Don't let that keep you down. It happens to a lot of us.
I had 2 builds that i worked on had DOA motherboards that gave me headaches. Once you get your replacement, all should be golden.
Deus Ex Machina
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I play with 360 controller. Love the mouse but just can't get my grips around the keyboard.KoruptData said:
AwesomeSauce said:
Oddly enough, I'm poking around the BIOS currently after installing one stick of memory. Will test/troubleshoot a bit more after work (I've stayed up far too late, but it's hard to just ignore the machine after working for so long on it) and hope to find more. Almost certainly will try a different motherboard after such a rough start though.
Anyway, thanks again to you and others who have assisted. Love this thread.
Edit: Annnd... victory? Since getting to the BIOS stable, I navigated to the ASUS EZ Flash application which loaded correctly. The BIOS present was from March 2011 and I noticed there were a number of updates since. On a whim I found a microSD card + USB adapter (no regular USB flash drives handy!) and popped the latest beta BIOS on there, and thankfully the utility recognized the drive and found the BIOS. Updated that, and it seems to boot happily now even with my original configuration (SSD, GPU, RAM all plugged in and powered). CPU seems to be running cooler now at around 35C (was 40 something on the old BIOS revision).
Going to be absolutely exhausted at work tomorrow but I feel a sense of relief, even if it might end up being temporary. Tomorrow after work I'll install Windows 7 and keep crossing my fingers.
Corsait 750W V2 is only $10 more after rebate.drakesfortune said:
None of the cases in the OP appeal much to you? If not just buy the Rosewill CASE.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.707906
Pll overvoltage offLaneDS said:
disable marvell sata controller if theres nothing in those ports
Yeah, just don't load test GPUs and CPU together (furmark + prime 95)Azadi said:
Hazaro said:
Will give that a go tomorrow after work. Seems to boot happily now, which is rad, but I'll disable the Marvell controller and find whatever that PII setting is just to play it safe, thanks.
Since I ordered the 750W version of my PSU as a replacement for this one (which may in fact work just fine), I now have to contemplate keeping that. Was thinking about SLI for the GTX 560 ti but haven't looked too closely at wattage requirements yet.
I need to build an inexpensive PC capable of running a Gnome 3 based Linux distro, will be used for watching HD videos and light photoshopping/email/internet.
Could you recommend me some hardware?
Motherboard
Amount and Type of RAM
Video Card
Processor
Power Supply
Reliable HDD makers
I would appreciate it.
Could you recommend me some hardware?
Motherboard
Amount and Type of RAM
Video Card
Processor
Power Supply
Reliable HDD makers
I would appreciate it.
SnakeSlashRO
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GAF I have a question, completely unrelated to my previous post.
What kind of set up would you need to have a computer with dual screens?
What kind of graphics card does that, and how do the monotors need to be connected?
Also what chipset does this? I hear only the H67 does the dual monitor deal while the p67 cannot.... but the z68 (is that correct?) can do it as well.
What kind of set up would you need to have a computer with dual screens?
What kind of graphics card does that, and how do the monotors need to be connected?
Also what chipset does this? I hear only the H67 does the dual monitor deal while the p67 cannot.... but the z68 (is that correct?) can do it as well.
Wolf Akela
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After some searching, I think I found my target SSD. It's G.Skill Falcon 64GB. It has the Indilix controller and I can get it for $115.
Psychotext
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Time to start the party...
Mr.NiceGuy
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Doing my inquiry before I buy my new GPU, I asked several questions and the Gaffers here were of much help and I'm thankful for them specially LordCanti. Now I'm down for my last step.
My specs:
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E4500 2.2 GHz
GPU: Geforce 9500GT
Motherboard: msi G41M4-F (link: http://www.msi.com/product/mb/G41M4-F.html )
RAM: 3 GB DDR2
Extra note: (My brother might give me his Core 2 Quad Q9400 2.66 GHz).
For a GPU I'm down for 3 choices :
1-EVGA GeForce GT 440 (price 80 or 70 after rebate)
2-EVGA GeForce GTS 450 (price 120 or 95 after rebate)
3-EVGA GeForce GTX 460 (160 or 140 after rebate)
I'm really leaning towards the GTS 450 as the price just fit my budget. Not really buying the card for games as I rarely play on my PC but there are some games I'd like to play in the future like "From Dust" in full settings and "Skyrim" in medium settings, if the GT 440 can do the job that would be even better, the GTX 460 is a little above my budget and I'm not sure I should put that much of money on it since I'm deciding to do a total overhaul to my PC 12-18 months later so then I can return to other games I missed like The Witcher 2.
So what do you guys recommend ? please put in mind that I might or might not change my CPU to Core 2 Quad Q9400 2.66 GHz like I said before.
My specs:
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E4500 2.2 GHz
GPU: Geforce 9500GT
Motherboard: msi G41M4-F (link: http://www.msi.com/product/mb/G41M4-F.html )
RAM: 3 GB DDR2
Extra note: (My brother might give me his Core 2 Quad Q9400 2.66 GHz).
For a GPU I'm down for 3 choices :
1-EVGA GeForce GT 440 (price 80 or 70 after rebate)
2-EVGA GeForce GTS 450 (price 120 or 95 after rebate)
3-EVGA GeForce GTX 460 (160 or 140 after rebate)
I'm really leaning towards the GTS 450 as the price just fit my budget. Not really buying the card for games as I rarely play on my PC but there are some games I'd like to play in the future like "From Dust" in full settings and "Skyrim" in medium settings, if the GT 440 can do the job that would be even better, the GTX 460 is a little above my budget and I'm not sure I should put that much of money on it since I'm deciding to do a total overhaul to my PC 12-18 months later so then I can return to other games I missed like The Witcher 2.
So what do you guys recommend ? please put in mind that I might or might not change my CPU to Core 2 Quad Q9400 2.66 GHz like I said before.
AwesomeSauce
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Mr.NiceGuy said:
GTX 460 no doubt.
Also if you don't get the Core 2 quad, overclock the e4500. I had a very similar motherboard paired with a e4400 and i was able to overclock it to 3.0ghz which helped out a lot in many games.
The e4500 will bottleneck you, so hope that you do get the quad.
Momo said:
I'm not completely up to date with lower speced PC's today, but I'd be leaning towards an AMD Fusion CPU, most likely the AMD A8 3850. Get the cheapest FM1 motherboard you can from Asus, AsRock, or Gigabyte. 4GB of the cheapest DDR3 you can fine. Corsair CX430 PSU. As for the HDD, the Samsung F3 1TB is tough to beat.
Hopefully someone can either reinforce my suggestions, or suggest a better alternative, if there is one.
Do you already have a case?
chaosblade
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GTS 250 performs similarly to a GTS 450, and even beats it in some games. Can save some money if you pick one of those up instead if that's what you are concerned with. You won't have DX11, but a 450 isn't really going to take advantage of that anyway. Then again, the 450 does OC pretty well apparently, which could make a difference if you want to go that route.Mr.NiceGuy said:
Otherwise 460 is far and away the best value. It performs extremely well for the price.
MisterNoisy
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TheExodu5 said:
I like that, though I'd also look into a decent Phenom IIX4 (955-ish) combined with a cheap 880G motherboard. On the surface, they're similar in cost, but 880G mATX motherboards are crazy discounted all the time - I think I paid $40 for the last one I bought (a Biostar) for a low-cost build a month or so ago.
I'll pretty much choose a distro on supported hardware + G3. Most likely Ubuntu when it ships with faultless G3. I'm pretty sure the situation is much less bleak in tuxworld these days drivers wise.TheExodu5 said:
Adding a phenom based built to my to be researched list xDMisterNoisy said:
thank you
Tashi0106 said:And here it is all built!
Might have been covered, did a quick scan but... Is there a reason you have the Hyper212+ aligned that way opposed to pointing to the back of the case? Or is it that heat rises and you're blowing it through the top of the case yada yada?
edit: We pretty much have the exact same build save a different keyboard/mouse... now clean those cables up! (CM690II has a rather tight space behind the mobo, but can get it to fit well with some tight zip-ties!)
SenseiJinx said:
The only issue I've had with it I've mentioned above and in a previous post. I didn't go with an aftermarket cooled 560Ti though, and was having issues with it heating up (prior to setting a custom profile where the GPU fan was running at 80%) so I ordered two new 140mm fans. I installed those an was able to lower the GPU fan speed. It never goes above 65C anymore.
If you have an aftermarket cooled GPU, I'd say no need for any extra cooling (or if the room your pc is in is rather cool). If you set up a custom profile that should fix any need for extra cooling, just depends how much you can put up with the noise from the high fan speed.
edit 2: The case 100% stock is amazingly whisper quiet by the way. So only add fans if you're ok with some noise.
chaosblade
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Actually heat rising doesn't really make any difference. Having your cooler mounted that way is less effective, regardless of the orientation of the fan. You're putting excessive heat either on the CPU (from the GPU) or on the GPU (from the CPU), plus you are totally borking your airflow.TommyT said:
Speaking of airflow, I saw a pretty interesting post while searching around the other day on effective airflow. Some things I never really thought about, wonder how well little things like the exhaust cutout work for airflow, or if it's just beneficial for noise.
iSurvivedTheOutage
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Newegg has some shellshocker deals today for people in the HDD and case market
SneakyStephan
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So is there any reliable news yet on when we can expect the 7xxx series?
I'm itching to upgrade from my trusty 4870 512MB, but a 6870 wouldn't be that much of an upgrade (though it's fairly cheap) and a 6950 would only start at 230 euros (xfx xxx version because it's the only quiet 6950 out there) and I'd have regrets if the 7xxx isn't far away.
Any chance that it will be released before the start of november?
I can wait 2-3 months for a more afforable, quieter upgrade in the 7870, but if it's much longer I might as well just get that upgrade now and take the loss when I sell it again in 6-8 months and go for an nvidia card instead.
It's quite depressing how shitty of a value the current gen of cards offer for someone who already owns a card from 2008.
230 euros after 3 years to less than double performance is downright pathetic. (+heat/noise/obscene power draw)
I'm itching to upgrade from my trusty 4870 512MB, but a 6870 wouldn't be that much of an upgrade (though it's fairly cheap) and a 6950 would only start at 230 euros (xfx xxx version because it's the only quiet 6950 out there) and I'd have regrets if the 7xxx isn't far away.
Any chance that it will be released before the start of november?
I can wait 2-3 months for a more afforable, quieter upgrade in the 7870, but if it's much longer I might as well just get that upgrade now and take the loss when I sell it again in 6-8 months and go for an nvidia card instead.
It's quite depressing how shitty of a value the current gen of cards offer for someone who already owns a card from 2008.
230 euros after 3 years to less than double performance is downright pathetic. (+heat/noise/obscene power draw)
Wolf Akela
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PC GAF, I wanna make sure. If I buy a DDR3-1600, it'll work fine on a mobo that only supports DDR3-1333, it's just that it'll only run at 1333 right?
Tallshortman
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Wolf Akela said:
Yes, it should work fine. Your BIOS should show the RAM running at 1333 after you install it.
Laurentius
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TommyT said:
This is the card I'm getting:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133394
I'm planning to overclock it, and the stock coolers on that don't seem great. Which is why I'm considering adding a side fan on my case possibly, in order to increase air flow in the GPU area. Does that sound like a pertinent idea?
I think I've narrowed down my case search to one of these two:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119216
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112320
I really like the Lancool case, but it's out of stock and I'm not sure when they'll get it restocked. And it's a tad more expensive than the 690 II, but still within my price range.
What do you guys think? Any recommendations for one over the other (if the Lancool gets in stock within the next week and a half or so, that is. Otherwise, I'll have to force my hand on a different one). Up for similarly spec'ed and priced cases as well. Picking a case has been one of the hardest decisions so far.
LordCanti said:
Wasn't that though, since I reseated the RAM I had, tried it with no RAM, and also tried it with completely different RAM (bought a 4GB kit at Microcenter with the intent to return it, and it came in handy). Problem was the same under all scenarios, very odd stuff.
Hoping that when I get out of work and head home it'll be working properly still.
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Hazaro said:
No it's not that they don't appeal, it's that the Rosewill case was a good deal, and it looked like it had a good set of features? I don't know though. I currently have a coolermaster case, and that works pretty well, but I find them to be somewhat ugly, at least the one I have. I'd love to have something that looks nice and is as quiet as possible. It's just really hard to figure out which one that is.
Do I really need a 750w supply? I highly doubt I'll ever add another card, will I get any benefit with a 750w supply if I have no plans to do that in the future?
The BitFenix Shinobi looks nice, I just don't know if that case is okay with this rig. That's my main problem, I don't know if there are any size issues or anything, especially with the larger size of the GPU I'm buying.
Well you listed a 750W, so I listed one too.drakesfortune said:
I'd recommend the XFX Core 550W if you are running 1 card.
Antec BP550 is you want modular, but it's not as good a PSU.
Lotta room in the Shinobi.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4460/bitfenix-shinobi-the-budget-ninja
iSurvivedTheOutage
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Shinobi is so sexy...too bad theyre sold out 
drakesfortune
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iSurvivedTheOutage said:Shinobi is so sexy...too bad theyre sold out
They have the black version available on their website. Has there been any experience buying on their website. I also like the BitFenix Survivor. Any opinions on that case?
https://store.bitfenix.com/survivor
I've been playing FO3 recently and getting pretty inconsistent/terrible FPS. I'm on an a e8400/5870 and was really shocked by just how terrible the performance was. And what was even more shocking was how the FPS was completely CPU bottlenecked - i.e. changing resolutions wouldn't help at all.
Today after a particularly heavy combat section that I had to play through all at 20fp I figure I'm going to push my OC because I need some more power. Then I see in my BIOS my CPU is set at 133x9. WTF? IT should be 333x9 running stock, and I normally have it 400x9 to get 3.6Ghz. Sure enough, set it back to my normal OC and I'm back at a rock solid 60 fps again.
Glad I checked because I was about to just order a 2500k out of frustration.
Any idea why it dropped? I might have hit the CMOS reset button last time I moved it, but why would it underclock it so much?
Today after a particularly heavy combat section that I had to play through all at 20fp I figure I'm going to push my OC because I need some more power. Then I see in my BIOS my CPU is set at 133x9. WTF? IT should be 333x9 running stock, and I normally have it 400x9 to get 3.6Ghz. Sure enough, set it back to my normal OC and I'm back at a rock solid 60 fps again.
Glad I checked because I was about to just order a 2500k out of frustration.
Any idea why it dropped? I might have hit the CMOS reset button last time I moved it, but why would it underclock it so much?
drakesfortune
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Hazaro said:
Sorry, I bumped down to a 600w corsair last night when people seemed to poo poo the Rosewill case, I need to update my build.
Here's the one I have in my cart now: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139028
For cases, anyone use or like the Lancool case here:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112239
SneakyStephan
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Anyone have experience with this particular card?:
http://www.powercolor.com/global/products_features.asp?id=303
Might be able to pick one up for 120 euros, but if it's noisy I wouldn't want it even if it was free.
http://www.powercolor.com/global/products_features.asp?id=303
Might be able to pick one up for 120 euros, but if it's noisy I wouldn't want it even if it was free.
chaosblade
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That Shinobi looks like a great case for the price. That window looks awful though. Survivor looked a bit small, but it seems the HDD cage comes out to fit longer cards so that works.
And the Corsair PSU or the XFX 550W would be fine. You definitely won't need a 750W PSU for a single GPU build.
And the Corsair PSU or the XFX 550W would be fine. You definitely won't need a 750W PSU for a single GPU build.
drakesfortune
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chaosblade said:
I'm pretty sure the one they have in stock, which is the regular black one, doesn't come with a window. I agree too, I have no desire to have a window on my case, it makes no matter to me.
HotHamWater
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My new build is working fine, but Windows isn't displaying my new HDD. I've got Windows installed onto a 200GB drive, and this new build has a secondary 1TB drive that isn't being displayed in the normal way.
It's in the bios, and shows up using "list disk" in disk part. Am I missing something here? All drivers are up to date.
It's in the bios, and shows up using "list disk" in disk part. Am I missing something here? All drivers are up to date.
chaosblade
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I don't think you would be disappointed with that for $60. Gives the HAF 912 some good competition in that price range (way better than the Antec 300...).
Problem that I've noticed with Rosewill cases (and I assume Rosewill products in general) is that they tend to offer more features for the price than their competitors, at the expense of quality.
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