"I need a New PC!" 2011 Thread of reading the OP. Seriously. [Part 2]
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jling84 said:
yeah that's all become a lot easier, though not necessarily cheaper ($5 for a compression fitting, $15 for a rotating 45 degree compression fitting, $60 for a quick disconnect male/female pair of which you'll need two...)
but before I finished the watercool casemod I had a CM 690II case with ~600 rpm 120 & 140 mm fans (5V) , a Scythe Mugen 2 rev B with 2 fans that were speed adjusted through PWM by the motherboard according to cpu temp and an Accelero Xtreme Plus aftermarket cooler on my GTX480
that was quiet as well and overclocked pretty good as well ... only when overclocking the GTX480 I had to turn up the casefans because of the massive amount of heat it pumps out when overvolted
current setup is even more quiet (2 Samsung HDDs are now the loudest lol) and has far more cooling capacity at low RPMs , but you could buy a very nice rig from the money all the components cost me (!). It's just for the fun of building and modding and the feeling you've accomplished something when it all works like you want
and yes if you're going to spend money & effort on creating a (quiet) custom loop without doing the GPU, at least put an Accelero Xtreme on it then. Most stock coolers make your ears bleed under heavy load. If I was going to do a quiet air setup right now I'd suggest:
Case: anything decent around the $100 mark with fans at 800 rpm should do the trick. I like the (look of the) CM 690 II and Fractal R3 the most
CPU : Mugen 2 Rev B / one of those high-end Noctua's / Corsair H100 with different fans installed
GPU : install Accelero Xtreme Plus (II) yourself / buy one with good cooling (Asus DCII series for example)
mike23 said:
That drive has some awful reviews. I would stay far away, even for that price.
Edit: Actually, looking at it, it only has one review on Newegg (that happens to be a bad review.) I guess it's a buyer beware type of situation, but it's not guaranteed to be terrible. I wouldn't trust it with valuable data though.
drhankmccoyphd
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Would it be worth it to upgrade my rig from 4gb of ram to 8gb of ram? 2 x 2gb sticks are on sale for $20 at microcenter. My other specs are amd x6 1090t, 5770, 770t mobo, ssd and 4gb. I just use the pc for gaming and my laptop for general use. Worth the upgrade?
mikespit1200 said:
Are they identical sticks of RAM? You can't just pick up any other sticks and put them in. They need to be the same brand/model/speed/etc as the ones already in there.
If so, and if you see your RAM usage constantly near 4gb, it is worth it. You won't see any improvement in games, but you can make other programs snappier (your browser for instance, by putting the cache in RAM) and not have to worry as much about getting programs closed before playing a game.
I've spent some time reading, and I'd just like to get this confirmed in here.
I today have a Q9450 OC @ 3.4ghz, but you might as well call it a Q6600, the Q9450 is a small bit better. This setup, together with a 6950, has eaten everything I've given it in 1080p. Witcher 2 etc. But now I want to enjoy BF3, which I guess will be CPU heavy. I do realize it's impossible to benchmark BF3 atm, so let's just talk general gaming.
It's hard to find benchmarks comparing the Q6600 with 2500k, but from what I've gathered, I should expect a ~30% better performance from it? I saw that some games, like Left 4 Dead, was a very tiny difference, while newer one's like Dawn of War 2 and Starcraft 2 had 100% gain with a 2500k (strategy is CPU heavy I suppose).
Is this right? ~30% gain for 2500k vs Q6600? Thanks in advance.
I today have a Q9450 OC @ 3.4ghz, but you might as well call it a Q6600, the Q9450 is a small bit better. This setup, together with a 6950, has eaten everything I've given it in 1080p. Witcher 2 etc. But now I want to enjoy BF3, which I guess will be CPU heavy. I do realize it's impossible to benchmark BF3 atm, so let's just talk general gaming.
It's hard to find benchmarks comparing the Q6600 with 2500k, but from what I've gathered, I should expect a ~30% better performance from it? I saw that some games, like Left 4 Dead, was a very tiny difference, while newer one's like Dawn of War 2 and Starcraft 2 had 100% gain with a 2500k (strategy is CPU heavy I suppose).
Is this right? ~30% gain for 2500k vs Q6600? Thanks in advance.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/53?vs=288Manager said:
Adjust benches roughly percentage wise for your overclocks.
2500K I'd peg an easy 4.2Ghz, 4.3 and 4.4 for most on good voltages 1.25-1.30V
Regular single card?Wazzim said:
XFX Core 550W - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207013
Corsair right now overprices their mid good units.
They are riding the goodwill and brand name from using Seasonic for their first 2 units, then CWT for their next 3.
CX is ok only for the 380/430. TX for people who normally buy worse brands.
HX for the slightly higher end before they released the AX which competes on the super high end with Seasonic (They are almost identically similar).
More choice is good and recommending Corsair as an overall good choice is still fine, but many people say 'oh look this is cheap' and buy a not as good CX600W or something.
I'm thinking of getting i7 2600k and I'm just wondering if I should get gtx 580 or gtx 570 to go with it. Of course better is better but I'm just wondering how much better 580 is over 570, if I can justify spending extra 150 on it.
I pretty much have the whole comp ready to be ordered so I'm just wondering on that. That 580 is damn expensive piece of work.
Also as a bonus question: From my understanding Newegg doesn't ship to EU?
I pretty much have the whole comp ready to be ordered so I'm just wondering on that. That 580 is damn expensive piece of work.
Also as a bonus question: From my understanding Newegg doesn't ship to EU?
Only get a 2600K if you do VM work or have a known and demonstrated benefit for it.
If you are a GTX580 buyer I think you would know it.
GTX 570 and upgrade with the next batch of cards is much better value oriented since that $100 will go much farther.
If you want BF3 to submit to you go get a GTX580 though.
**Also if anyone wants to suggest a different or easier way to update the OP builds I'm all ears.
It takes way too long to piece and crop the images into that condensed form. Plus I'm lazy to color and size and squeeze text.
I still want it to be easier viewed and linkable for other people though.
If you are a GTX580 buyer I think you would know it.
GTX 570 and upgrade with the next batch of cards is much better value oriented since that $100 will go much farther.
If you want BF3 to submit to you go get a GTX580 though.
**Also if anyone wants to suggest a different or easier way to update the OP builds I'm all ears.
It takes way too long to piece and crop the images into that condensed form. Plus I'm lazy to color and size and squeeze text.
I still want it to be easier viewed and linkable for other people though.
Yeah the 570 was made so your Fermi didn't burn your house down while shutting off your local power.MrKnives said:
CPU
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/288?vs=287
GPU
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/306?vs=305
Note that these are for quick reference. If you BF3 at 1920 res I think a 580 is overkill.
And elaborating on that XFX, it's based (iirc) on the Seasonic 520/620 designs that the HX520/620 first Corsairs are on which is why I so easily recommend it.Wazzim said:
The voltages tend to run a touch high (still in check), but I think that is about it.
At least under more load they come closer to what they should be. Not a problem either way.
*Also I ran a 2500K OC + GTX 295 on my old 520W Corsair and that XFX has 50W more on the 12V.
From my understanding of those charts the only reason 2500k > 2600k is the price? Both cpu's bested each other in some games and lost in others.
If that is so isn't it still ok to buy 2600k? Maybe I haven't looked well enough but from the finnish site that looks for best prices, 2600k isn't that much more expensive than 2500k. 2600k being at 250 and 2500k 190. I just wonder if both will age the same.
I like overkill but in this case the prize difference is huge though. Need to think about it. I have 24" 1920x1080 and I'm happy with this so probably won't be buying a new one in a while. So both cards would be good.
Thanks a lot for those links. Don't know how I missed them. Great stuff.
If that is so isn't it still ok to buy 2600k? Maybe I haven't looked well enough but from the finnish site that looks for best prices, 2600k isn't that much more expensive than 2500k. 2600k being at 250 and 2500k 190. I just wonder if both will age the same.
I like overkill but in this case the prize difference is huge though. Need to think about it. I have 24" 1920x1080 and I'm happy with this so probably won't be buying a new one in a while. So both cards would be good.
Thanks a lot for those links. Don't know how I missed them. Great stuff.
You buy a 2600K if you can use the virtual 4 threads it makes. Otherwise you save money and buy the 2500K. No point in spending more.
Thread's aren't cores so you'd be upgrading regardless.
A 570 at 1920x1080 should be very good.
Save the money from both decisions and put it towards a new GPU in 3-6 months if you aren't happy with your performance (I think you'll be just fine).
Thread's aren't cores so you'd be upgrading regardless.
A 570 at 1920x1080 should be very good.
Save the money from both decisions and put it towards a new GPU in 3-6 months if you aren't happy with your performance (I think you'll be just fine).
Just remember the difference between vHigh/High or Max/High is minuscule and not worth sacrificing 60FPS for 
For instance in a lot of games you'll see your minimum frames jump a good deal which is a great benefit sometimes not told all that much by benchmark score.
Also for certain games (like StarCraft II) that FPS jump is very noticeable and apparent.
That much said a 3Ghz+ quad is still very capable now.
There are some more demanding games out there that either want a slightly beefier quad or faster 2 cores.Manager said:
For instance in a lot of games you'll see your minimum frames jump a good deal which is a great benefit sometimes not told all that much by benchmark score.
Also for certain games (like StarCraft II) that FPS jump is very noticeable and apparent.
That much said a 3Ghz+ quad is still very capable now.
Hopefully this is the right place to ask, but mock away if not?
Easy Question: Is there a good system performance benchmark that will allow me to compare myself with similar builds? I think my video card is underperforming severely, but I don't really know how to check.
Long Question:
I've got a somewhat out of date PC, but I guess I don't know how out of date? I'm not sure if it's worth picking up a few upgrades to bring myself up to date, or if I need to just give up and start anew. Also, my video card seems to be severely underperforming.. I'm not exactly sure what happened, but I'm pretty sure it's not even running at where it should be, out of date though it is.
Anyway, here's the deal:
Intel Core 2 Duo Processor E8500 (2x 3.16GHz/6MB L2 Cache/1333FSB)
Asus P5KPL-CM Intel G31 Chipset w/6-channels, Gb LAN, S-ATA 3Gb/s, USB 2.0, Single PCI-E MB
2 GB DDR2-800 PC6400
ATI Radeon HD 4850 512MB
CoolerMaster SilentPro M 600W power supply
WD 1.5TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache HDD
A ram upgrade is definitely overdue, but I don't really want to spend any more money on this machine if I'm too far behind. If I were to get a more modern (sub $200) video card and 4gb ram, will I be back in the game? I don't need max settings, but I'd like to maintain a decent framerate at 1920x1080 without turning everything down.
Easy Question: Is there a good system performance benchmark that will allow me to compare myself with similar builds? I think my video card is underperforming severely, but I don't really know how to check.
Long Question:
I've got a somewhat out of date PC, but I guess I don't know how out of date? I'm not sure if it's worth picking up a few upgrades to bring myself up to date, or if I need to just give up and start anew. Also, my video card seems to be severely underperforming.. I'm not exactly sure what happened, but I'm pretty sure it's not even running at where it should be, out of date though it is.
Anyway, here's the deal:
Intel Core 2 Duo Processor E8500 (2x 3.16GHz/6MB L2 Cache/1333FSB)
Asus P5KPL-CM Intel G31 Chipset w/6-channels, Gb LAN, S-ATA 3Gb/s, USB 2.0, Single PCI-E MB
2 GB DDR2-800 PC6400
ATI Radeon HD 4850 512MB
CoolerMaster SilentPro M 600W power supply
WD 1.5TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache HDD
A ram upgrade is definitely overdue, but I don't really want to spend any more money on this machine if I'm too far behind. If I were to get a more modern (sub $200) video card and 4gb ram, will I be back in the game? I don't need max settings, but I'd like to maintain a decent framerate at 1920x1080 without turning everything down.
Hazaro said:Just remember the difference between vHigh/High or Max/High is minuscule and not worth sacrificing 60FPS for
I know. My biggest pet peeve in FPS games is low fps so I usually do anything I can to play at maximum fps.
That's just a problem with my current setup E6600 / 250gts. I can't stand playing fps games with low fps. I have BFBC2 and I got 20-30 fps, then I bought this 250gts from a friend (my old one broke) and I got few extra fps but it's still shit.
My cousin tried to get me to play Arma 2 but that was a disaster.
Anyone have the answer to my 2nd question? About if Newegg ships to EU or is it still US only?
Oh...MrKnives said:
Yeah a 570 will be a pretty mind blowing upgrade then. Especially if you gamed at 1920 on a GTS250.
Newegg is US/CA only. There are some retailers in the OP for you.
You can run some benchmarks like Crysis / 3DMark / Capcom games (DMC, SSFIV) and compare to some online postings.Cowie said:
E8400 and 4850 results should be everywhere. The most likely problem is that a power connection is loose or you need to reseat your GPU. After that is that your PCI-E slot is running at x1 instead of x16. Check with CPU-Z.
Fix it by locking PCI-E Mhz to 100 or 101 in the BIOS.
If you overclock your CPU to 3.8Ghz you can get some extra life out of it. A GTX 460 1GB (NOT THE SE (SLOW EDITION)) is a good upgrade card from that as well.
Shin Johnpv
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Cowie said:
Cinebench will test your video card (openGL) and the CPU and have a list of systems with similar specs.
MisterNoisy
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Found the solution to my heavy/sagging GTX570 thanks to another forum.
It's kind of ridiculous, but so is a three-slot video card.
It's kind of ridiculous, but so is a three-slot video card.
I saw that when I was concerned about my 295 sagging.
I'd use some cardboard before that though. I'm not paying that much for a prop.
Can only fit so many REVO Drives and GTX 590 MARS on a single motherboard with 4 PCI-E slots.
I mean if you don't have more than 16 320GB SATA 6gbps SSD's in RAID can you really even say you are trying?
I'd use some cardboard before that though. I'm not paying that much for a prop.
I'd have to wait for Socket 2011.Saren is Bad said:
Can only fit so many REVO Drives and GTX 590 MARS on a single motherboard with 4 PCI-E slots.
I mean if you don't have more than 16 320GB SATA 6gbps SSD's in RAID can you really even say you are trying?
That's a much nicer and cheaper looking solution if I can find it in stock from a seller I know.Marco1 said:
Saren is Bad
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Can you make a SHUT THE CLUB DOWN MAKE MY FRIENDS/WALLET/DEAD RELATIVES WEEP build?
Hazaro said:
Use this for sagging graphic cards:
http://www.scythe-usa.com/product/acc/065/slotrafter_detail.html
MrKnives said:
The 570 and 580 are very close to each other. They are in the same league. Most games have a 4-8fps difference between the cards.
MisterNoisy said:
How much does it sag for you? My GTX 570 Direct CUII doesn't really sag at all when the screw is in place. Maybe a tiny bit.
MisterNoisy said:
Hm
Guess this is one instance where the verticality of my FT02 helps. I don't have any sagging at all with my card. I read quite a bit about it though before I made my purchase and the various techniques people used to stop it from happening.
But then again when you're using it and it's silent as hell with temps in the 60s, you won't think too much about it
MisterNoisy
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Darklord said:
A few degrees worth of deflection - enough that I was a little worried about it, especially if I ever had to move the PC anywhere. At any rate, the problem is now solved.
Since I kinda want to start modding the case, a more elegant solution may be part of whatever that ends up being.
Deus Ex Machina
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ChiefKief said:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=30424435&postcount=3772
Did not know you were in SLI..
Hey, everyone!
I bought a Dell XPS 420 around 3-4 years ago, so the hardware is a little dated.
Here is my current setup:
Basically, there's is no way of updating my MB or CPU as it's on a stock Dell board (I know, I know... Why the fuck Dell, right? LOL). The machine is still treating me right, pretty fast and no slowdowns since I've installed W7. Now.. in terms of gaming.. it has always lacked a bit (I guess that's partially due to the CPU aaaandd the GPU which I downgraded from a 9800GT since I couldn't find any other GT9800 or equivalent at the time).
So, I want a new GPU
Hopefully something that is around the range of the 9800GT, because I don't want a new PSU. I don't need a beast of a card or anything.. I just need something along the lines of that. I won't be playing any FPS like MW, BF, or Crysis for that matter.. All I'll be doing is basic gaming like Tropico, Fifa, etc...
Essentially, my question is: Should I upgrade my GPU (and potentially my PSU too) or do I wait a bit (a year or two) and build a new rig for ~500ish (I'm completely new to building). And if the former, which should I go with?
EDIT: The alternative is to just keep using my PS3 for gaming (like Fifa, etc..)
I bought a Dell XPS 420 around 3-4 years ago, so the hardware is a little dated.
Here is my current setup:
- Core 2 Duo E8400 @ 3.00GHz (32bit)
- 4GB Ram
- 375W PSU
- Radeon HD 5450
Basically, there's is no way of updating my MB or CPU as it's on a stock Dell board (I know, I know... Why the fuck Dell, right? LOL). The machine is still treating me right, pretty fast and no slowdowns since I've installed W7. Now.. in terms of gaming.. it has always lacked a bit (I guess that's partially due to the CPU aaaandd the GPU which I downgraded from a 9800GT since I couldn't find any other GT9800 or equivalent at the time).
So, I want a new GPU
Hopefully something that is around the range of the 9800GT, because I don't want a new PSU. I don't need a beast of a card or anything.. I just need something along the lines of that. I won't be playing any FPS like MW, BF, or Crysis for that matter.. All I'll be doing is basic gaming like Tropico, Fifa, etc... Essentially, my question is: Should I upgrade my GPU (and potentially my PSU too) or do I wait a bit (a year or two) and build a new rig for ~500ish (I'm completely new to building). And if the former, which should I go with?
EDIT: The alternative is to just keep using my PS3 for gaming (like Fifa, etc..)
Mr Nightman
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guess you could start with a nicer gpu, but that cpu will definitely hold you back for the games recommending a quad. Any option to just start gathering a new mobo etc over a few months?Hieberrr said:Hey, everyone!
I bought a Dell XPS 420 around 3-4 years ago, so the hardware is a little dated.
Here is my current setup:
- Core 2 Duo E8400 @ 3.00GHz (32bit)
- 4GB Ram
- 375W PSU
- Radeon HD 5450
Basically, there's is no way of updating my MB or CPU as it's on a stock Dell board (I know, I know... Why the fuck Dell, right? LOL). The machine is still treating me right, pretty fast and no slowdowns since I've installed W7. Now.. in terms of gaming.. it has always lacked a bit (I guess that's partially due to the CPU aaaandd the GPU which I downgraded from a 9800GT since I couldn't find any other GT9800 or equivalent at the time).
So, I want a new GPU
Essentially, my question is: Should I upgrade my GPU (and potentially my PSU too) or do I wait a bit (a year or two) and build a new rig for ~500ish (I'm completely new to building). And if the former, which should I go with?
EDIT: The alternative is to just keep using my PS3 for gaming (like Fifa, etc..)
have you tried rebooting? Maybe windows can run the display with default windows driversDries said:
Dries said:
hehe ... ermm .. try booting into safe mode by mashing F8 key before it loads windows
you can also try "last known good configuration" there
or log on with remote desktop if you have that enabled
edit: http://www.techspot.com/vb/topic68901.html not exactly easy but it should work
blackMamba1187
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I'm looking for some help to a problem that popped up last night.
I was browsing GAF and had just watched a video on youtube. Decided to play Splinter Cell Conviction on Steam. After clicking to start the game an error box popped up saying that I didn't have any audio devices attached/detected. I thought this was odd, as I had just been listening to something.
I proceeded to restart the computer. When I got back into Windows not only were there no audio devices recognized [CP-->Sounds-->Playback], the network devices were missing as well. Device Manager said that the on-board realtek HD audio and the network adapter (wired) were running properly without driver issues.
I've downloaded all the current motherboard drivers on my work computer and will attempt to re-install when I get home to see if that helps. The only other options I can envision is a problem with Windows or the motherboard:
Specs:
i5 2500k w/ Hyper 212+
ASUS p8p67 pro rev 3
2x 5870
Windows 7 64-bit
I would appreciate if anyone could help out.
I was browsing GAF and had just watched a video on youtube. Decided to play Splinter Cell Conviction on Steam. After clicking to start the game an error box popped up saying that I didn't have any audio devices attached/detected. I thought this was odd, as I had just been listening to something.
I proceeded to restart the computer. When I got back into Windows not only were there no audio devices recognized [CP-->Sounds-->Playback], the network devices were missing as well. Device Manager said that the on-board realtek HD audio and the network adapter (wired) were running properly without driver issues.
I've downloaded all the current motherboard drivers on my work computer and will attempt to re-install when I get home to see if that helps. The only other options I can envision is a problem with Windows or the motherboard:
Specs:
i5 2500k w/ Hyper 212+
ASUS p8p67 pro rev 3
2x 5870
Windows 7 64-bit
I would appreciate if anyone could help out.
So a couple of days ago I said I would spec up some builds for UK-GAF
so far I have come up with this £600 build
I could probably get this under £500 with a 1TB drive and a GTX560 instead of TI.
Scan is my website of choice for the UK as they are very reputable and if you are a member of some forums you can get free delivery (AVforums)
Does anyone have any suggestions for any tweaks?
so far I have come up with this £600 build
I could probably get this under £500 with a 1TB drive and a GTX560 instead of TI.
Scan is my website of choice for the UK as they are very reputable and if you are a member of some forums you can get free delivery (AVforums)
Does anyone have any suggestions for any tweaks?
Mr Nightman
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well its still fine for many games out now, but games such as bad co 2 and bf3 will suffer from chugging when alot is going on. As for getting new components, reusing the dvd drive, psu and hdd is fine, as for ram pretty sure the newer intel i5's and i7's require ddr3 ram soo you would need new ram, unless you went the amd route, as they still have amd boards that except ddr2Hieberrr said:
Freyjadour
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Max what exactly? Sorry, just curious as I should be building that setup tonight. (6950 Sapphire Toxic with the BIOS switch for 6970)Manager said:
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