"I need a New PC!" 2011 Thread of reading the OP. Seriously. [Part 2]
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chaosblade
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You won't see any benefits over 8GB in normal use and games. And even 8GB vs 4GB won't show much difference, but 8GB is generally recommended for future-proofing.Euphor!a said:
By the time 16GB is worthwhile, you'll probably be about ready for a new PC and DDR4 will be the standard (consumer market will probably see it in 2013). So it just depends on how far off your next motherboard upgrade will be.
chaosblade
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DDR and GDDR aren't the same thing, I've never seen anything about DDR5. But yeah, GDDR4 didn't take off at all. I don't know of anything that used it other than the 3800 series GPUs.
Tallshortman
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Really no reason for an intel gaming build to have anything other than 1155 socket.
Gvaz said:
They are generally faster, but not necessarily more advanced in the generational sense - it's more a matter of higher specifications (and cost). And the version numbers of GDDR and DDR are not the same or directly correlated - GDDR3 is based on DDR2, while both GDDR4 and GDDR5 are based on DDR3.
Ok, so being swept up by the BF3 beta, I need a new video card(s). I've decided that I want to take the 560ti SLI route for now rather than a single 580. It's more cost effective, seems to out perform a single 580 well enough, and will give me an excuse to be a "day 1" for the next newer line of cards. I already have a 700w Corsair PSU. My question is, which card do I want to go with? More on board RAM, or faster clock speeds?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130683 (2gb RAM)
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130610
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130683 (2gb RAM)
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130610
Suggest you look at these articles:J-Rzez said:
http://techreport.com/articles.x/21516
Video: http://techreport.com/discussions.x/21625
I'm sure you know there is a lot more going with 2 GPUs, support, power, compatibility, etc.
2GB cards... might as well get 2GB 6950s at that price if you are ok with AMD.
Batman helps even it out though.
http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=12746889
About to pick these up, anything wrong with it? =p
About to pick these up, anything wrong with it? =p
Thanks for the quick responses. I'll look into the micro-stuttering issue as I'm generally very susceptible to noticing things like that. I'm going with the EVGA nvidia route regardless, not that I don't think AMD makes great cards, it's more of a loyalty thing, never-ever had any issues with the 4 EVGA cards I've owned to date. Exo, if I decide to go with the SLI thing and I get two codes, I'll let you know. But guess 2GB is the way I'll go if I take this route, just the micro-stuttering issue has me worried, I'll have to look further into that, and if it's bad news I'll probably just go single 580.
J-Rzez said:
It really depends on the game. RIFT is one of the titles that had pretty bad microstutter for me. BF3 has very good SLI support, though.
That being said, I'm definitely going back to single GPU when the next generation arrives. While you do get awesome performance with SLI, there are quite a few games that don't play nice and sometimes I just feel like it's a hassle.
edit: there are games that make me glad I have SLI, though. Crysis 1/2, Battlefield 3, and even games like Arkhram Asylum (for PhysX).
Mr Nightman
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oh well radioshack may indeed have them, might be marked up price wise though. Its just called a dvi to vga adapter typically.Karmum said:
demigod
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I'm having problems with Warcraft 3, the game stutters like every damn minute, what could be the problem? The Witcher 2 works flawless on highest setting. Latest driver and all, no overclocking. I have SSD but the game is running on my 2TB WD Black, reformatted and defragged.
Specs
i7 2600k Asus P6Z68
MSI 580 Extreme Lightning
16GB 1600mhz Corsair Vengeance
Corsair HX1050 PSU
Asus DG Sound Card
128GB Crucial SSD
2TB WD Black 7200RPM
2x 3TB Seagate 7200RPM
A ton of fans in my case
Anyone else play War3 and have this problem before? I've searched yahoo and google and can't really find a solution to it.
Specs
i7 2600k Asus P6Z68
MSI 580 Extreme Lightning
16GB 1600mhz Corsair Vengeance
Corsair HX1050 PSU
Asus DG Sound Card
128GB Crucial SSD
2TB WD Black 7200RPM
2x 3TB Seagate 7200RPM
A ton of fans in my case
Anyone else play War3 and have this problem before? I've searched yahoo and google and can't really find a solution to it.
TheExodu5 said:
Yes.
And it turns out if I set the memory speed manually, it kills off all speed step shit.
It's actually running at full turbo all the time.
The auto speeds are 1600 MHz for the RAM, and it's supposed to be 2133 MHz.
But it won't boot at 2133 MHz (yes, I'm using the XMP profile).
So...
Manually configure RAM and have my CPU running at turbo all the time, or leave everything at auto so speed step will work, but the memory will be running at 1600 MHz?
Ughz
chaosblade
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You want it on the other side by the RAM. If you just can't do that, it will work how you have it, just make sure the fan is blowing the air away from the CPU cooler (so it's sucking air through it). Otherwise it's in conflict with your rear exhaust fan.ombz said:
TheExodu5 said:
Games that have problems....why not just disable the 2nd card? I mean that defeats the reason you go SLI, but if there are issues I don't see the problem in de-activating SLI until it gets fixed or whatever. You have 570 SLI, it's not like one card still won't max stuff out
. I haven't ran into any issues on my 580 SLI setup. Then again I'm playing mostly recent titles, nothing really old.I don't think I can go back. The performance boost you get (as you mentioned) is great. I JUST started up Batman AA (bought from the Steam Summer sale, have never played AA) and was able to max everything out, High Physx, and have 3D running. Solid 60fps with no dips. That's what I love about it. Crank everything to the max and still be able to use extra features (3D, CUDA, Physx etc) with almost no hit to performance.
I can see it being a problem if you play a lot of older games, or indie games. But then that goes back to my original point, just disable the 2nd card?
Open Source
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I have a 750W power supply, a GTX 570, and 2 GTX 480s.
Should I:
a) use a 480 as a physx card?
b) upgrade PS and SLI 480s?
c) get rid of the 480s?
Should I:
a) use a 480 as a physx card?
b) upgrade PS and SLI 480s?
c) get rid of the 480s?
Smokey said:Games that have problems....why not just disable the 2nd card? I mean that defeats the reason you go SLI, but if there are issues I don't see the problem in de-activating SLI until it gets fixed or whatever. You have 570 SLI, it's not like one card still won't max stuff out
I don't think I can go back. The performance boost you get (as you mentioned) is great. I JUST started up Batman AA (bought from the Steam Summer sale, have never played AA) and was able to max everything out, High Physx, and have 3D running. Solid 60fps with no dips.
I can see it being a problem if you play a lot of older games, or indie games. But then that goes back to my original point, just disable the 2nd card?
Yeah, I just disable the second card, but it's still an additional hassle. I also have to look into every second game I buy to see if there might be an issue with SLI when I run into abnormalities, so I often feel like it's just something else to troubleshoot.
Open Source said:
If you don't mind the noise, you might as well SLI them. They're still very good cards.
Does anyone have any idea about this speedstep/turbo problem?
If I leave all speeds/timing/voltages on auto, my memory runs at the standard 1600 MHz, and speed step and turbo work.
If I use the XMP profile, it tries to run at 2133 MHz and fails to boot.
If I manually specify 1866 (and change nothing else) it boots fine, but the CPU runs at 3.8 GHz (turbo) all the time.
If I leave all speeds/timing/voltages on auto, my memory runs at the standard 1600 MHz, and speed step and turbo work.
If I use the XMP profile, it tries to run at 2133 MHz and fails to boot.
If I manually specify 1866 (and change nothing else) it boots fine, but the CPU runs at 3.8 GHz (turbo) all the time.
Mudkips said:
should work assuming everything else is at default settings
I've read something about setting minimum CPU power state to 0% in Windows 7 Power Management, but I've got it set to 100% here and it still downclocks without issues
you sure all the C1/2/3 whatever powerstates are enabled in bios?
ss_lemonade
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You can move your sticks of ram to slots 2 and 4 to fit the fan. Its what I didombz said:Is it alright if i have the cooler master fan on the side pictured in the photo below?
I thought it might be better on the other side but there isn't space between the cpu and ram.
Tallshortman
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TheExodu5 said:
Actually it's a little more powerful on average than 570 SLI.
Gvaz, it's a lateral move so he's not moving up in performance beyond a few frames in a game here and there. Definitely not worth the loss in selling his current cards and buying a 6990.
ratcliffja
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Since I received no replies to my previous post, I'll repost my new rig with links... I got all of these from Amazon and think I did a pretty decent job this time. Hopefully everything is compatible now.
Intel Core i7-950 Processor 3.06GHz 8 MB Cache Socket LGA1366
Corsair 6 GB PC3-12800 1600MHz 240-Pin DDR3 Core i7 Triple Channel Memory Kit CMX6GX3M3A1600C9
GAMMA Classic Series ATX Mid Tower Interior Steel Chassis (Black)
Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 120mm Sleeve CPU Cooler, RR-B10-212P-G1
Crucial 64 GB m4 2.5-Inch Solid State Drive SATA 6Gb/s CT064M4SSD2
Creative Labs SB0570L4 Sound Blaster Audigy SE Sound Card
Antec BP550 Plus 550W ATX12V V2.2 Modular Power Supply
EVGA 131-GT-E767-TR LGA1366/ Intel X58/ DDR3/ CrossFireX & 2-Way/3-Way SLI/ SATA3&USB3.0/ A&GbE/ ATX Motherboard
EVGA GeForce GTX 560 Superclocked 1024 MB GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 2DVI/Mini-HDMI SLI Ready Graphics Card, 01G-P3-1463-KR
Does this seem like a decent rig and are there any obvious conflicts here that anyone can see? I appreciate everyone's help so far. Note that all of these items have either shipped or are in the process of shipping and therefore cannot be cancelled, so unless there's a hardware conflict, I won't be returning any of it.
Intel Core i7-950 Processor 3.06GHz 8 MB Cache Socket LGA1366
Corsair 6 GB PC3-12800 1600MHz 240-Pin DDR3 Core i7 Triple Channel Memory Kit CMX6GX3M3A1600C9
GAMMA Classic Series ATX Mid Tower Interior Steel Chassis (Black)
Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 120mm Sleeve CPU Cooler, RR-B10-212P-G1
Crucial 64 GB m4 2.5-Inch Solid State Drive SATA 6Gb/s CT064M4SSD2
Creative Labs SB0570L4 Sound Blaster Audigy SE Sound Card
Antec BP550 Plus 550W ATX12V V2.2 Modular Power Supply
EVGA 131-GT-E767-TR LGA1366/ Intel X58/ DDR3/ CrossFireX & 2-Way/3-Way SLI/ SATA3&USB3.0/ A&GbE/ ATX Motherboard
EVGA GeForce GTX 560 Superclocked 1024 MB GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 2DVI/Mini-HDMI SLI Ready Graphics Card, 01G-P3-1463-KR
Does this seem like a decent rig and are there any obvious conflicts here that anyone can see? I appreciate everyone's help so far. Note that all of these items have either shipped or are in the process of shipping and therefore cannot be cancelled, so unless there's a hardware conflict, I won't be returning any of it.
ToyMachine228
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Any help would be appreciated. I honestly have no idea what I'm looking for. Don't know jack shit about PC's. Here's my situation, I'm buying a house, and need a desktop. I have nothing to carry over from a previous PC. Zero. No mouse, no keyboard, nothing.
Basic Desktop Questions:
Your Current Specs: AMD Athlon 64 4000+, 2.41ghz, 3.0 GB RAM
Budget: $500-700 (As low as humanly possible)
Main Use: General usage with light gaming on the side
Monitor Resolution: Don't know. Usually play at 1024x768
List SPECIFIC games that you MUST be able to play: Diablo III. Blizzard and Valve games. That's it.
Are reusing any parts?: None
When will you build?: Sooner rather than later. A week or two if possible.
Will you be overclocking?: Don't even know what this means, so no.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Basic Desktop Questions:
Your Current Specs: AMD Athlon 64 4000+, 2.41ghz, 3.0 GB RAM
Budget: $500-700 (As low as humanly possible)
Main Use: General usage with light gaming on the side
Monitor Resolution: Don't know. Usually play at 1024x768
List SPECIFIC games that you MUST be able to play: Diablo III. Blizzard and Valve games. That's it.
Are reusing any parts?: None
When will you build?: Sooner rather than later. A week or two if possible.
Will you be overclocking?: Don't even know what this means, so no.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Was there any particular reason you didn't want to go with Sandy Bridge?ratcliffja said:
Mr Nightman
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I would say just go sandy bridge honestly, you can go with the i5 2500k which is more than enough for a gaming cpu. Not sure what socket 1155 motherboard would be the best though, can someone recommend?ratcliffja said:
ratcliffja
Member
I accidentally ordered the wrong motherboard, but once I did, I figured it would be harder to return than the processor since I broke the static seal. Anyway, I actually really like that motherboard, as the 9xx processors seem pretty nice. Why is x58 worse than Sandy Bridge?
Edit: I actually saved a little money this way AND I plan on using it for more than just gaming. It's actually going to be used for some game development as well, though it's certainly not my primary work computer.
Edit: I actually saved a little money this way AND I plan on using it for more than just gaming. It's actually going to be used for some game development as well, though it's certainly not my primary work computer.
n0n44m said:should work assuming everything else is at default settings
I've read something about setting minimum CPU power state to 0% in Windows 7 Power Management, but I've got it set to 100% here and it still downclocks without issues
you sure all the C1/2/3 whatever powerstates are enabled in bios?
Yup, everything is enabled/auto except for the virtualization instructions and the memory speed target (which I set to 1866)...
()_listerfeend_()
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OK guys I put together a list on Amazon, wondering what you think:
Case - Cooler Master HAF ATX Mid Tower Case
Video Card - HIS Radeon HD 6950 IceQ X Turbo 2GB (256bit)
Motherboard - ASRock P67 Extreme4 B3 Intel P67
Intel Core i5-2500K
Power Supply - Corsair Enthusiast Series 650-Watt
Memory - Corsair Vengeance Blu 8 GB (2X4 GB) PC3-12800 1600mHz
SSD - Crucial 64 GB m4 2.5-Inch Solid State Drive
With Windows 7 and Optical drive it totals about $1150.
My main concern is the motherboard (there's way too many mobo's out there) and the 6950. Is HIS an OK brand? Will that fit in the case I've selected?
Any help would be appreciated.
Case - Cooler Master HAF ATX Mid Tower Case
Video Card - HIS Radeon HD 6950 IceQ X Turbo 2GB (256bit)
Motherboard - ASRock P67 Extreme4 B3 Intel P67
Intel Core i5-2500K
Power Supply - Corsair Enthusiast Series 650-Watt
Memory - Corsair Vengeance Blu 8 GB (2X4 GB) PC3-12800 1600mHz
SSD - Crucial 64 GB m4 2.5-Inch Solid State Drive
With Windows 7 and Optical drive it totals about $1150.
My main concern is the motherboard (there's way too many mobo's out there) and the 6950. Is HIS an OK brand? Will that fit in the case I've selected?
Any help would be appreciated.
Angelus Errare
Banned
Ugh so conflicted now, not sure if I should go with a 560 Ti or a 6950. Decisions Decisions
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