"I need a New PC!" 2011 Thread of reading the OP. Seriously. [Part 2]
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Getting seriously feed up with two things.
1) God damn w7 keeps asking me if I want to turn off aero ( I pick NO I DON'T WANT TO FUCKING REVERT TO BASIC STOP ASKING ME EVERY TIME I PLAY A GAME ).
2) ......It reverts to basic/turns off aero anyway. Really? Then why even ask me what I want windows? Just go ahead and do whatever you wish.
1) God damn w7 keeps asking me if I want to turn off aero ( I pick NO I DON'T WANT TO FUCKING REVERT TO BASIC STOP ASKING ME EVERY TIME I PLAY A GAME ).
2) ......It reverts to basic/turns off aero anyway. Really? Then why even ask me what I want windows? Just go ahead and do whatever you wish.
I'm getting close to buying this and I still have a few questions, hope you guys don't mind. Thanks!
The questions:
1. Am I missing a lot by getting the 2500 instead of 2500k? It doesn't seem like I'll be able to get the K one for a decent price.
I don't know if I need to overclock. I don't know if I need a 212+, either. Will I need it to run 2012 games decently?
2. It seems I can get the Radeon 6850 1GB for ~220 bucks pre-built without needing to import the GTX460, but I have no clue if it's a good deal or not. Anyone?
3. I need to install Win64bit, right?
4. Am I supposed to download all the drivers without looking into it or is there something I should look out for..?
Any help appreciated.
(I want to be able to run Skyrim with above-average settings)upandaway said:
The questions:
1. Am I missing a lot by getting the 2500 instead of 2500k? It doesn't seem like I'll be able to get the K one for a decent price.
I don't know if I need to overclock. I don't know if I need a 212+, either. Will I need it to run 2012 games decently?
2. It seems I can get the Radeon 6850 1GB for ~220 bucks pre-built without needing to import the GTX460, but I have no clue if it's a good deal or not. Anyone?
3. I need to install Win64bit, right?
4. Am I supposed to download all the drivers without looking into it or is there something I should look out for..?
Any help appreciated.
MisterNoisy
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R2D4 said:
I've got one too, and can't recommend it highly enough. I recommend taking everything outdoors, though - the 'dust explosion' is phenomenal.
Asking for Opinions on the below combination. Replacing a dieing mother board for a quad core.
I5-2500K
Gigabyte Z68XP-UD3
8G (4Gx2) 2133 G.Skill Ripjaws-X
Also tossing up whether to get 2 WD Black 1TB hdd's and run them in raid (mirrored) or to just get a SSD.
Any recomendations on SSD brands (outside of Intel that is, i already have one mortgage)?
I5-2500K
Gigabyte Z68XP-UD3
8G (4Gx2) 2133 G.Skill Ripjaws-X
Also tossing up whether to get 2 WD Black 1TB hdd's and run them in raid (mirrored) or to just get a SSD.
Any recomendations on SSD brands (outside of Intel that is, i already have one mortgage)?
Anandtech has the best resource for SSDs - http://www.anandtech.com/tag/storage
Wolf Akela
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Crucial M4
EphemeralDream
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Looking to upgrade my video card sometime soonish (have a 4670 right now). Should I expect good deals around the holidays or am I wasting my time? I see a few good deals right now.
MSI R6870 Twin Frozr II for 159 + Dirt 3
XFX HD-687A-ZHFC for 159 + Dirt 3
PowerColor AX6870 1GB for 146
SAPPHIRE 100314-3L Radeon HD 6870 for 149
Also I have a 500W Antec EarthWatts right now. That's fine if my proc. is a Phenom II X4?
MSI R6870 Twin Frozr II for 159 + Dirt 3
XFX HD-687A-ZHFC for 159 + Dirt 3
PowerColor AX6870 1GB for 146
SAPPHIRE 100314-3L Radeon HD 6870 for 149
Also I have a 500W Antec EarthWatts right now. That's fine if my proc. is a Phenom II X4?
Wolf Akela
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EphemeralDream said:
Cyber Monday is so close. You should hold on to your money.
I've been looking and thinking i'll get theMC RaZaR said:
120GB OCZ Agility 3 2.5" SATA 6Gb/s SSD Drive
I'm assuming this will work with the Intel® Smart Response Technology stuff, it sounds like it's just an option in the BIOS to turn that on, when you have any SSD connected. Can someone confirm that?
giri said:
Here's a guide I found. A Gigabyte Ultra-Durable Z68 board is used, so the BIOS should be similiar to yours.
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Intel-Smart-Response-Technology-Explained/1292
SSD + HDDgiri said:
FineEphemeralDream said:
I wouldn't call OCZ a good SSD brand. Only Intel and Crucial for me right now. Most SSDs just use Sandforce at the moment anyway with 25nm.MC RaZaR said:
I'm not an expert on SSDs, but I can comfortably recommend the Intel 320 and the Crucial M4.
I'm no expert either, but i do know that Crucial and Intel are an extra $80 - $100 for the 120GB equivalent in OCZ/ Others.Hazaro said:
Oh i get the SRT stuff now. It solely uses the SSD as a cache for the HDD. I thought it could just use a portion (say 20GB) and the rest of the SSD could be used as a normal drive. But it uses the entire drive. It doesn't even show up as a drive letter at all, rather is just seemlessley used instead. And depending on which mode you set SRT too, the SSD dieing, could cause data loss.
My Gigabyte support experience has been terrible (trying to get my faulty motherboard replaced). I fill out a swap request form for my board (SATA 2 P67 issue), and they never get back to me...twice. I call tonight, and they can't find my RMA numbers. I tell them to create a new RMA and they say I have to create a new one on their website and call in after 12 hours to see if they can find it. Terrible.
I'm tempted to just buy EVGA next time. I have no experience with their motherboards, but at least their support was pleasant to deal with.
I'm tempted to just go buy a new motherboard tomorrow and forget about my RMA.
edit: why does Asus use the inferior Realtek 892 on their Pro boards? Damn. I really like the 889...Deluxe is way too much, though.
I guess I can try toughing out the week without a properly working PC.
I'm tempted to just buy EVGA next time. I have no experience with their motherboards, but at least their support was pleasant to deal with.
I'm tempted to just go buy a new motherboard tomorrow and forget about my RMA.
edit: why does Asus use the inferior Realtek 892 on their Pro boards? Damn. I really like the 889...Deluxe is way too much, though.
I guess I can try toughing out the week without a properly working PC.
Schmattakopf
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Dumb question about fans. I just replaced my motherboard and cooler and since I'm already taking everything apart, I'm looking at my fan setup. I'm wondering which way top fans should be blowing. I found people saying blowing out is stupid, and other saying that blowing in is stupid.
I've got two on top, right next to each other, which is probably unnecessary but I don't know where else to put another fan.
I've got two on top, right next to each other, which is probably unnecessary but I don't know where else to put another fan.
Schmattakopf
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I have the two 140mm fans on top, then I have one intake in the front, one intake on the side (by the GPU) and 120mm exhaust in the back. There is another 140mm spot on the side above the one I'm using, but a fan there would physically interfere with the CPU cooler. There's a spot on the other side, one by the hard drive bay, and two on the bottom, but all smaller than 140mm.abusori said:
Schmattakopf said:
Ah, that's pretty similar to mine except my fans are huge. I've got the top one on exhaust, and I'd recommend you do the same. Air goes in the side and front, then goes out the top and back. Works pretty well for me and I've got dual 6950 toxics both overclocked pretty high.
Schmattakopf
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Alright, thanks. They're already on exhaust because I figured they should be going with the heat. But when I searched around, there were some recommendations to have intake toward the CPU.abusori said:
My PC got 7 BDODs last night. Using blue screen viewer it says my kernel is causing is. About half the BSODs are memory management errors but some of other errors are pool header( or something like that) and system services but for each type of error it says it's cause by the kernal driver.
Last night I ran CPU-Z and went to the memory tabs and everything was blank then about 30 seconds later I got a BSOD. When my PC finished booting up and i went back into CPU-Z my memory was showing up and my PC didnt BSOD. Which is making me think it's my ram causing this.
I took out all but one stick and played Battlefield 3(which used like 98% of the 2 gigs) and I did this for each stick and wasn't able for force a crash with any of them.
So should I keep testing to make sure it's my ram and not something else or should I just buy new ram(you can get 16gigs for around $80 now)?
Last night I ran CPU-Z and went to the memory tabs and everything was blank then about 30 seconds later I got a BSOD. When my PC finished booting up and i went back into CPU-Z my memory was showing up and my PC didnt BSOD. Which is making me think it's my ram causing this.
I took out all but one stick and played Battlefield 3(which used like 98% of the 2 gigs) and I did this for each stick and wasn't able for force a crash with any of them.
So should I keep testing to make sure it's my ram and not something else or should I just buy new ram(you can get 16gigs for around $80 now)?
Mr_eX said:
I regularly check my RAM with Memtest 86+. Anytime I had PC issues and suspected the RAM, this would show me errors confirm that it needed to be replaced.
Mr_eX said:
Download MemTest here and make a bootable USB from it. If you want to tell if you have bad memory run this for several hours and let it run through a bunch of passes. Usually best to start it up before you go to sleep and see if there are any errors in the morning.
Edit: Beaten like a lazy donkey
Ok so my brother has my old PC and wants to play battlefield 3 and other newer games on it (skyrim, guild wars2)and run it at 1680x1050 at 60fps. Right now it can play battlefield on low but definitely is not smooth and kind of sucks.
Anyway, i'm wondering if this build is salvageable with some upgrades or should I tell him to let me build him another one. I personally think it might still be salvageable with maybe a gpu/ram/psu/overclock upgrades but i'd like others opinions please. Will the motherboard take newer video cards and memory without problems. Is anything able to be overclocked easily? Thanks!
Right now the PC is: (from my old newegg order history)
Case: Antec Sonata Elite Black
Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-MA790X-UD4P AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 790X ATX AMD Motherboard
GPU: HIS H489F1GP Radeon HD 4890 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16
PSU: Antec TruePower New TP-650 650W Continuous Power ATX12V V2.3 / EPS12V V2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 940 Black Edition Deneb 3.0GHz Socket AM2+ 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ940XCGIBOX
Memory: G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Desktop Memory Model F2-8500CL5D-4GBPQ
Monitor: Acer X223Wbd Black 22" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor
Drives: Sony Optiarc 24X DVD/CD Rewritable Drive Black SATA Model AD-7240S-0B - OEM
HDD: 2 x Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s in a RAID 0 Configuration
Anyway, i'm wondering if this build is salvageable with some upgrades or should I tell him to let me build him another one. I personally think it might still be salvageable with maybe a gpu/ram/psu/overclock upgrades but i'd like others opinions please. Will the motherboard take newer video cards and memory without problems. Is anything able to be overclocked easily? Thanks!
Right now the PC is: (from my old newegg order history)
Case: Antec Sonata Elite Black
Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-MA790X-UD4P AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 790X ATX AMD Motherboard
GPU: HIS H489F1GP Radeon HD 4890 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16
PSU: Antec TruePower New TP-650 650W Continuous Power ATX12V V2.3 / EPS12V V2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 940 Black Edition Deneb 3.0GHz Socket AM2+ 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ940XCGIBOX
Memory: G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Desktop Memory Model F2-8500CL5D-4GBPQ
Monitor: Acer X223Wbd Black 22" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor
Drives: Sony Optiarc 24X DVD/CD Rewritable Drive Black SATA Model AD-7240S-0B - OEM
HDD: 2 x Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s in a RAID 0 Configuration
Schmattakopf
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I started messing around with my 2500k and I overclocked using Turbo Boost, but it doesn't have settings for changing the voltage, just the wattage and ampere limits. I set the "Turbo Ratio" for one/two cores to 45 (4.5GHz), lower for three/four cores, I changed the watt limit to 120 from 95, and I didn't touch the amp limit (which is 97). It's running fine, stress tests are good, but I'm wondering how I should increase the watts/amps if I want to go higher, and also if this is an effective way to overclock.
chaosblade
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Wouldn't upgrade the RAM, DDR2 is dead, expensive (relative to DDR3) and not worth investing in.Babalu. said:
Get a CPU cooler and overclock the CPU - it's black edition, so it should be really easy due to the unlocked multiplier. Temps in a Sonata are going to be a pain though, so you might not get much out of it.
And get a new GPU, that CPU shouldn't limit you much, but if you don't plan to upgrade it in the near future (new motherboard+CPU+RAM) then don't spend too much on it. 560 Ti maybe, but that's a lot to invest in a PC without much of a future.
Already did that, 0 errors.Salaadin said:
I feel kind of stupid right now though. I just assumed my cas latency was suppose to be 9-9-9-24 but I just looked up my ram and it's suppose to be 8-8-8-24. When I get home I'll manually set it to that in the bios. What are the odds of this solving my issues?
chaosblade
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Pretty low, 8-8-8-24 will be more intensive than 9-9-9-24. It's latency, so lower is better, but if you're not stable now that probably won't do you any good.Mr_eX said:
Does anybody know what's a better monitor between the HP ZR30w, and the Dell U3011?
Both are IPS monitors, have 2560 x 1600 resolution, 7ms response time...
But the HP is $225 cheaper...?
Both are IPS monitors, have 2560 x 1600 resolution, 7ms response time...
But the HP is $225 cheaper...?
Schmattakopf
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Something went wrong. OCCT shows my Vcore at 1.42, while CPUz/HWMonitor show it at 1.07, both under stress and idle. But I set it to 120 watts and 97 amps; it shouldn't be able to go over 1.24.Schmattakopf said:
Krauser Kat
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i2500k @4.6
4gig ram
2 650gb HDD
1 80GB SSD
1 4890 1gb
750W power supply.
Can i get another 4890 on the cheap and crossfire that shit for better BF3 performance with my current power supply.
4gig ram
2 650gb HDD
1 80GB SSD
1 4890 1gb
750W power supply.
Can i get another 4890 on the cheap and crossfire that shit for better BF3 performance with my current power supply.
Fair Trial
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Krauser Kat said:
Not worth the heat, power draw and xfire issues.
Sell your 4890 and buy a 6950.
Schmattakopf
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Gigabyte P67 UD3.knitoe said:
I'm confused. I just reset everything, then set the Vcore to 1.2V. OCCT still reads 1.42V. CPUz/HWMonitor both say the CPU Vcore is 1.07V, although HWMonitor has a separate value just called "CPU" which is 1.20V...
In HWMonitor, you need to look at CPU VCore numbers. Run Prime95 and see what max number is. And, why don't you just overclock all the cores to 4.5GHz instead of using turbo on some cores? Also, use Offset instead of manually entering a CPU voltage. This way, the CPU voltage will drop during idle and increase during load.Schmattakopf said:
Schmattakopf
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I was looking at "CPU Vcore" in HWMonitor. It said 1.07V like CPUz, but there was that other value that said 1.2V (which was confusing because that's what I set the Vcore to).knitoe said:
Is "Dynamic Vcore" the same thing as offset?
Schmattakopf
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Yes, there are a few. They actually mostly suggest overclocking with Turbo Boost and none of them talk about offset. But I'm not really having trouble overclocking; I'm having trouble with programs reading my voltage wrong. Only that one value in HWMonitor ("CPU") is correct.knitoe said:
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Wolf Akela said:
I feel I shall go insane before then. My seasonal job just gets out. I need things to keep me occupied!
Just ordered this ram
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0054KPK9C/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Even if it turns out its not the problem I'll still be doubling my memory
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0054KPK9C/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Even if it turns out its not the problem I'll still be doubling my memory
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