"I need a New PC!" 2011 Thread of reading the OP. Seriously. [Part 2]

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BigBlackGamer said:
dude you won't even get past 900mhz with stock voltage. 985 on stock voltage is impossible with the GTX 580 Lightning. If you don't wanna mess with voltages you will get around a 875mhz overclock.
Really? I used this guide and it told me to stress test for 10 minutes and then increase the clock if it's stable. I ran it at 965,975 and 985 for 20 minutes just fine but the driver crashed after i closed kombustor. I'm totally new to this so I don't really know what I'm doing haha.
Do you know any good Lightning specific guides?
 
ordered the last of my parts!

i5-2500k
cm hyper 212+ cpu cooler
8gb 1600 ram
hx750
cm rc-922 case
2xgtx570
1tb samsung f3
crucial m4 128gb

also have 2x dell 2412m :)

should be great
 
Spectacular Dr Dawg said:
Really? I used this guide and it told me to stress test for 10 minutes and then increase the clock if it's stable. I ran it at 965,975 and 985 for 20 minutes just fine but the driver crashed after i closed kombustor. I'm totally new to this so I don't really know what I'm doing haha.
Do you know any good Lightning specific guides?
It's no different than any other GPU when it comes to OC. Start at stock clocks. Run a benchmark and if it doesn't crash or display artifacts increase the speed by 10mhz. Rinse repeat until you get to a range where you are fine with the temps and have achieved stability.
 
Sleeplessnights said:
I heard great things about the G700 but which keyboard should I get with it?

Either a super cheap rubber dome keyboard (~$5-10), a scissor switch keyboard (~$60, if you like that type of keyboard), or a mechanical keyboard (~$120 from wasdkeyboards.com).

jstevenson said:
Right, sorry, brainfart on the DD+/True HD.

I have a great Onkyo receiver, obviously my PS3 can still handle blu-ray playback. Is it worth going AMD over NVidia then? I'm guessing it's just not necessary to have the full PAVP playback if games don't support - and while it'd be nice to run blu-ray through the PC (probably a better player?) - it's not worth sacrificing gaming performance when a PS3 is going to run the blu-ray just fine.

Personally, I prefer the PS3 as a Blu-Ray player (outside of fan noise), so I don't think you should worry about losless audio.
 
Can you build a computer that runs modern games for around 300 dollars?

Things I don't need
- Case
- DVD Drive

Thins I need
- Everything else


See, I made a PC (using this thread's help) for 800 and some change awhile back. But now my little brother is jealous and wants a computer, so my parents want me to build him one on a very low budget for his birthday.

A monitor is going to eat at least 100 dollars, bringing the actual price of components down to 200 dollars. Yea, that's not going to happen, is it :x
 
balladofwindfishes said:
Can you build a computer that runs modern games for around 300 dollars?

Things I don't need
- Case
- DVD Drive

Thins I need
- Everything else


See, I made a PC (using this thread's help) for 800 and some change awhile back. But now my little brother is jealous and wants a computer, so my parents want me to build him one on a very low budget for his birthday.

A monitor is going to eat at least 100 dollars, bringing the actual price of components down to 200 dollars. Yea, that's not going to happen, is it :x

No, no it's not. You miiight be able to get something together for $300 sans monitor, but even that would be.. insufficient to play any modern games at any decent resolution or graphical settings.

Have him combine birthday/Christmas and get one for $600.
 
balladofwindfishes said:
Can you build a computer that runs modern games for around 300 dollars?

Things I don't need
- Case
- DVD Drive

Thins I need
- Everything else


See, I made a PC (using this thread's help) for 800 and some change awhile back. But now my little brother is jealous and wants a computer, so my parents want me to build him one on a very low budget for his birthday.

A monitor is going to eat at least 100 dollars, bringing the actual price of components down to 200 dollars. Yea, that's not going to happen, is it :x

Get used components:
Intel Socket 775-Mainboard
Something along the lines of a semi-old Intel Core 2 Duo-CPU (for example E6850)
4GB of RAM (also used, but new shouldn't be expensive either way)
Hard Drive (maybe 320GB?)
GeForce 8800 GT

Should be doable and should give you a medium to good performance @720p. With 2-3 years old games high settings@60fps shouldn't be a problem (eg. Mirrors Edge, Valve-Games, Unreal3-Games like UT3, Batman:AA, etc.)
 
Smokey said:
It's no different than any other GPU when it comes to OC. Start at stock clocks. Run a benchmark and if it doesn't crash or display artifacts increase the speed by 10mhz. Rinse repeat until you get to a range where you are fine with the temps and have achieved stability.
That's what I did. The benchmark ran just fine with no artifacts or anything up to 985 with stock voltage. When i closed MSI Kombustor I had a driver crash and after restarting I tried with with 980 and my PC immediately started chugging. I just thought that was strange.
 
Spectacular Dr Dawg said:
That's what I did. The benchmark ran just fine with no artifacts or anything up to 985 with stock voltage. When i closed MSI Kombustor I had a driver crash and after restarting I tried with with 980 and my PC immediately started chugging. I just thought that was strange.

try some other software. Furmark is the most extreme when disabling your cards overcurrent protection but totally unrealistic and possibly damaging.

I always used to suggest using Unigine Heaven Benchmark, but lately I've found Battlefield 3 to be even more stressing on my GPU :D

just boot up some BF3 level at 985 with stock voltage, I'm sure your driver crashes within seconds :p (or your entire system hangs)
 
balladofwindfishes said:
Can you build a computer that runs modern games for around 300 dollars?

A monitor is going to eat at least 100 dollars, bringing the actual price of components down to 200 dollars. Yea, that's not going to happen, is it :x
You should take a look at that incremental pc guide (tinyurl.com/falconguide), which has a few more low(est)-range options than in the OP. The "destitute" build there would be about $240 for you, sans monitor. As for an OS, Windows 8 dev build is a free option, at least until it expires in March.

In any case, it's kind of a bad time anyway to go ultra-cheap as hard drives are apparently marked up and black friday / cyber monday is only a few weeks away.
 
balladofwindfishes said:
Can you build a computer that runs modern games for around 300 dollars?

Things I don't need
- Case
- DVD Drive

Thins I need
- Everything else


See, I made a PC (using this thread's help) for 800 and some change awhile back. But now my little brother is jealous and wants a computer, so my parents want me to build him one on a very low budget for his birthday.

A monitor is going to eat at least 100 dollars, bringing the actual price of components down to 200 dollars. Yea, that's not going to happen, is it :x

Approx prices for new budget components:

Motherboard - $80
CPU - $80
HDD - $100 (this is what's going to kill you atm)
GPU - $80
PSU - $40
RAM - $20

Still looking at ~$400, sadly. The HDD prices are really, really bad right now. You could have gotten an acceptable HDD for $40 before this hike.
 
n0n44m said:
try some other software. Furmark is the most extreme when disabling your cards overcurrent protection but totally unrealistic and possibly damaging.

I always used to suggest using Unigine Heaven Benchmark, but lately I've found Battlefield 3 to be even more stressing on my GPU :D

just boot up some BF3 level at 985 with stock voltage, I'm sure your driver crashes within seconds :p (or your entire system hangs)
Thanks. I'll try again from the beginning and use Unigine instead of Kombustor.
Giriath_89 said:
Man the GTX 580 Lightning is good. I have mine running 980MHz and it rarely breaks 70 degrees.
What voltage are you running at?
 
RibbedHero said:
What price hike?

western_digital_flood_102511.jpg

western-digital-flood-300x225.jpg


You used to be able to get this for $70 now it has doubled in price.
 
kagete said:
http://techgage.com/images/news/western_digital_flood_102511.jpg[IMG]
[IMG]http://www.etiole.com/wp-content/uploads/western-digital-flood-300x225.jpg[IMG]

[URL="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185"]You used to be able to get this for $70 now it has doubled in price.[/URL][/QUOTE]

I got that exact HDD for £35, and now its £50. An odd price increase, but given those pics, understandable.
 
jstevenson said:
Got it. Yeah, Not worried about hiding it. Got a huge TV it can sit behind without causing issues. I don't think having it look like HT equipment is worth the tradeoff.

If you were looking to build right now, would you hold off for the next round of GPUs then? or go cheap with plans to upgrade for the next round?



Right, sorry, brainfart on the DD+/True HD.

I have a great Onkyo receiver, obviously my PS3 can still handle blu-ray playback. Is it worth going AMD over NVidia then? I'm guessing it's just not necessary to have the full PAVP playback if games don't support - and while it'd be nice to run blu-ray through the PC (probably a better player?) - it's not worth sacrificing gaming performance when a PS3 is going to run the blu-ray just fine.
Hazaro: I'll reply as soon as Champions League matches are over :D

For you: it's not worth it unless you are a crazy videophile like me, Ps3 handles BRD just fine.
Remember tho that only the Slim model support Full HDMI Bitstreaming, with the FAT you're stuck with DTS core and Dolby Digital core (meaning it'll aleays extract the lossy audio stream core of the lossless stream and output than one).

Games don't support those codecs at the moment but there's also no reason they'do go with PAVP.
 
It's time to do some upgrades but I'm a little stuck trying to decide my upgrade path for my 2nd computer.

My main PC is currently:
P5N-D
2x2gb ddr2 800mhz
QX6850 @3.0ghz
MSI twin frozer gtx 560ti 1gb

I will be upgrading it with:
GA-Z68X-UD3H
corsair vengence 4x4gb ddr3 1600mhz
2600k

I will be taking the leftovers from my main pc and putting them into my 2nd gaming machine, probably paired with a ATI 5770 video card. My question is, since the QX6850 has a FSB of 1333mhz, is it worth it to upgrade the mobo and ram? The P5N-D is limited to DDR2 800mhz, but I found another asus, limited in features but has the LGA 775 socket with FSB of 1333, and I can get 8gbs of ddr3 1333 for like $45 at Frys. I was thinking of these parts

new 2nd PC:
QX6850
Asus P5G41T
Patriot DDR3 G2 1333mhz

Would I even notice a difference going from ddr2 800mhz to ddr3 1333mhz? I'm getting kind of conflicting information when I try to find info online. A lot of comparisons were done back in 2008 with slower ddr3 memory.
 
Hazaro said:
A 560 is an overclocked 460. 560Ti is a small bump and a 570 is another small bump.
You'll want to boost your 460 frames by around 10% since few 460's run at that low stock speed.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/313?vs=330

A. I'm not positive since this is not my expertise but I believe GPUs can handle what you are talking about (they have HDMI out and sound now).
B:
http://www.logitech.com/en-us/keyboards/keyboard/devices/3616
http://www.logitech.com/en-us/keyboards/keyboard/devices/k750-keyboard
http://www.logitech.com/en-us/keyboards/keyboard/devices/192
C. Instant OS and instant program loading too
D. Small form factor case and nice heatsinks with good fans


If just for temps don't bother. Those are fine.

I don't know. If someone does a post or PM would be nice.
So really, unless I decided to pull the trigger on a really expensive video card, don't bother? Better off just SLIng with another GTX 460, if I really wanted a big boost? Haven't tried my 460 OC'd in most of those games, so I don't really notice that much of a difference, but I do in GTA IV.
 
Newegg has Corsair Force 3 128GB for 109 after rebate. Is it worth getting this drive even though it is the slower async technology or should I only consider synchronous drives?

Edit: Read an article on Hardocp about the difference. Holy hell, async sucks in comparison.
 
Niblet said:
Edit: Read an article on Hardocp about the difference. Holy hell, async sucks in comparison.

If your reason for getting an SSD is benchmark numbers, or extremely disk IO heavy tasks, then no, you shouldn't be looking at those or any other SSD where value is a major concern. But for the normal average consumer looking to switch from a mechanical HDD to a SSD, the performance of SF2200 SSDs is more than enough (even an old Intel X25-M is a hugely noticeable difference). And getting a current generation 6Gbps SSD at < $1/GB is tremendous value.

The only mark against those drives for its intended audience is the questionable reliability of SF drives, but the random BSOD bug is supposed to be fixed, and Corsair generally provides good support too.
 
Hazaro said:
There ya go.

So here is my question.

1. If someone wanted that stuff only for Blu-Ray what GPU/sound setup would you say? What if it is for a TV? What if it is for desk monitor?
2. For gaming doesn't matter right?

1) AMD 5xxx or 6xxx series if you're going to hook it up to a receiver via HDMI for audio&video and then receiver to tv/monitor via hdmi for video.

AMD+audio card (ie Xfi Bravura) with at least 5.1 analog outputs if you're going to hook it up via analog to a receiver which doesn't have HDMI or doesn't decode full DTS MA and Dolby True HD codecs (again, if it supports "only" DTS and DD it'll still be compatible but only extract the core lossy streams instead of the full lossless bitrate... So using this method you'll be able to get the full lossless stream in the form of decoded LPCM audio by your PC player software): you will trick the AMD HDMI audio driver and, for example, Power DVD into thinking you're outputting PAVP via HDMI when in fact you'll be using analog non-downsampled outputs thanks to Reclock. You could also skip the audio card and use you MB's analog outputs, obviously the quality of the DACs will make an impact, how audible will depend on the quality of your receiver/power amps and speakers.

Doesn't matter which video card (AMD or NVidia) if you're going to hook it up to a TV with 2.0 audio or desktop monitor w/ 2.1 system, you wouldn't be able to hear the difference. Also you won't need an audio card in this case.

2) Nope, doesn't matter for gaming.

That's is, unless I haven't got it right about what you're asking.
 
I have a question too, I'm doing my first OC on a core i5 750, heatsink is a Scythe Ninja revB.

Just a mild one to 3.4Ghz.
BCLK 170 (or even 168) X20 Multi
memory multiplayer to X8 since my RAM is 1333Mhz dual channel 9-9-9-24.
Afterburner OFF and everything else Enabled.

This gives me a much higher result under Cinebench's cpus benchmark (4.3 points vs 3.68 at stock)

How do I know the correct vcore and vtt voltages?

My temps are too high under full load Prime95 STT it reaches 97° (!) after 5 passages and I have to switch it off.
Idle is at 43° for the highest core temp. At stock It goes only up to 45° under full load, 32° idle.

Do I just need to lower Vcore as low as possible as long as the system is stable (so going from 1.25v to 1.18 and so on...) since the risk is only if I go higher (to make it more stable) and not lower to keep heat and consumption down, am I right?

What I don't also understand is how do I calculate the VTT. Or should I leave it to auto? But then it gets hot!
 
Had a couple of small scares last night swapping in my new parts, but everything worked on initial boot-up! So glad I won't have to deal with RMA-ing anything.

Turns out the my display was set to the wrong input when I first turned it on;; so I ended up skipping past ASUS' initial boot up bios set up! Also not having a usb keyboard on hand didn't help :lol.

Now, I have a few questions;

For those of you using the 212+ with a 2500k, did you find that the processor was smaller than the heatsink base? What method did you guys follow for applying the thermal paste? I intended on following this (excluding the lapping), but eventually decided on applying a very thin layer and spreading into the gaps with a credit card. The BIOS read my CPU temp at about 40 degrees C (on an open case missing the side panels and front bezel, mind you) so I may not have seated it correctly? I think I'll reapply and seat it later this week. Do you guys usually give the paste some time to cure on the mobo? I didn't wait (was in a rush) and placed the mobo into the case after I was done putting on the 212+.

And as far as orientation/push-pull configs go, which do you prefer?
Hazaro said:
Since the fans run about the same its not as disruptive, however the CM 212+ fan psuhes a decent amount of air. You really only need 1 of them.
Drops temps about 2-4C usually. You use them so you can have 2 lower speed fans and less noise usually.
Push 100%.
I followed Hazaro's advice here - I have a CM690 Adv. II, so there's an exhaust in the back and at the top so I opted for just the single push fan going across the mobo/case into the rear exhaust.

Turns out my Windows 7 usb install doesn't work either :(. Gonna have to recheck the iso and try making a DVD this time.
 
I know that no one in here can predict complex weather systems but I was wondering if by March (when Ivy Bridge comes out) that the HDD prices will go back down to what they used to be. Like, what are the chances?
 
Conceptor said:
For those of you using the 212+ with a 2500k, did you find that the processor was smaller than the heatsink base? What method did you guys follow for applying the thermal paste? I intended on following this (excluding the lapping), but eventually decided on applying a very thin layer and spreading into the gaps with a credit card. The BIOS read my CPU temp at about 40 degrees C (on an open case missing the side panels and front bezel, mind you) so I may not have seated it correctly? I think I'll reapply and seat it later this week. Do you guys usually give the paste some time to cure on the mobo? I didn't wait (was in a rush) and placed the mobo into the case after I was done putting on the 212+.
I put a small glob on the processor, then spread it out by simply putting the heatsink in place and fastening it to the motherboard (squeezing the paste to cover the processor). I'm getting 33°C idle, and 55-60°C under full load - I've overclocked it to 4.3GHz at 1.3V. If you're getting 40° idle, there's probably something wrong.
 
Need some quick PSU advice. Been getting conflicting reports.

Here's the sit-rep: I'm running an OC'd Llano A6-3650 quad-core, GTX 570, SSD, HDD, etc. I'm powering all of this with my old Enermax Liberty 500w modular PSU (awesome PSU... when I bought it in '06.) I haven't used the PSU in roughly 2 years, so it's just been sitting under my bed. Now, after entering everything into this PSU calculator: http://extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine, it claims I need 518w at the minimum, recommended 568w. What's odd is that my PC runs fine thus far, even after overclocking the GTX 570 to 900 Mhz on the core. Battlefield 3 runs fine.

HOWEVER, earlier today when I tried to run OCCT to stress test my videocard, my entire computer shut off as soon as the test started. am guessing that means it cannot handle the load generated by OCCT, despite BF3 running fine.

So should I get a new PSU? I'd like 600-650w at the minimum and I LOVE modular PSU's, cable management is important to me. I'd like to not spend an assload as well since I'm somewhat obsessed with 'high performance, low budget' based builds.

Thanks for any input.

Edit: Newegg has the OCZ ModXStream Pro 700W modular PSU on sale for $60 after rebate, for example. Does OCZ still make quality stuff? I haven't done my homework on PSU's in a long time.

Am I better off waiting for Black Friday and Cyber Monday to buy a PSU?
 
Hazaro said:
It is up to you. The GTX 580 should certainly hold its own in power, but you might be able to get a slightly faster card that uses less power Q1 2012.
A 570 or 6970 right now is above the 560Ti/6950 sweet spot I feel. If I was buying I would be fine with a $250 card to carry me over, but it is a very personal thing on how much graphics you want.
What are you coming from?

I think my current desktop is ridiculous 7900GTX or something, it's coming up on 5-6 years (which was cutting edge then) - but stayed mostly on the consoles last few years.

I'm probably buying late Nov / early Dec. Don't want to miss out on the latest/greatest, but also don't want to overspend. Obviously the goal though is to get running 1920x1080/60fps at the highest detail setting possible.
 
jstevenson said:
I think my current desktop is ridiculous 7900GTX or something, it's coming up on 5-6 years (which was cutting edge then) - but stayed mostly on the consoles last few years.

I'm probably buying late Nov / early Dec. Don't want to miss out on the latest/greatest, but also don't want to overspend. Obviously the goal though is to get running 1920x1080/60fps at the highest detail setting possible.

If you're building a new rig, wait for Black Friday/Cyber Monday. There will be some ridiculous deals on CPU/mobo combos, along with RAM, cases and videocards. You'll save a bundle if you do that.
 
so my f4 wasn't failing lol, somehow my cords laid up into my gpu fan. Woot.

Now for a question.

Can I image my primary hdd and transfer it to ssd?

or would it be easier to make a master windows cd (I bought windows vista OEM 64 bit > bought the upgrade to win 7 ultimate 64 but I had to use a copied master disc to use it. Legit Key and all, if I reinstall windows will the key be able to be used again?)
 
Ugh, another thing: think I'm gonna take back my Llano A6-3650 + MSI A75MA-G55 mobo to Frys. Yeah, it's cheap as hell and performs well but it isn't overclocking the way I'd like it to.

Microcenter has the Intel (ugh) 2500k + Gigabyte Z68 mobo (which got excellent reviews) for $220 after rebate, so around $245~ after tax. It's $100 more than the cost of the Llano but will overclock to 4.5+ Ghz and I won't have to upgrade for 2-3 years if I stick with it.

Fuck it... going back over to the dark side I guess.
 
BoobPhysics101 said:
HOWEVER, earlier today when I tried to run OCCT to stress test my videocard, my entire computer shut off as soon as the test started. am guessing that means it cannot handle the load generated by OCCT, despite BF3 running fine.

So should I get a new PSU? I'd like 600-650w at the minimum and I LOVE modular PSU's, cable management is important to me. I'd like to not spend an assload as well since I'm somewhat obsessed with 'high performance, low budget' based builds.

OCCT PSU test is pretty much worst case scenario ... it's basically doing LinX + Furmark at the same time

still it means you are very close to maximizing your PSUs capability, and though it's nice it shuts down itself and doesn't blow up, I'd look for another PSU. I wouldn't run a PSU close to it's maximum capacity over a longer period, as it's both less efficient and it will wear down significantly faster.

Corsair TX/HX/AX or Seasonic are usually preferred for their build quality and performance, but a 700W OCZ should power your system without issues as well.
 
BoobPhysics101 said:
Ugh, another thing: think I'm gonna take back my Llano A6-3650 + MSI A75MA-G55 mobo to Frys. Yeah, it's cheap as hell and performs well but it isn't overclocking the way I'd like it to.

Microcenter has the Intel (ugh) 2500k + Gigabyte Z68 mobo (which got excellent reviews) for $220 after rebate, so around $245~ after tax. It's $100 more than the cost of the Llano but will overclock to 4.5+ Ghz and I won't have to upgrade for 2-3 years if I stick with it.

Fuck it... going back over to the dark side I guess.

It's simply mind boggling that a Llano system and an i5 2500K system would even be considered by someone for the same use. Why would you go with a Llano build if using a discrete GPU anyway? That pretty much just defeats the main purpose of going with a Fusion CPU/APU.
 
Karmum said:
So really, unless I decided to pull the trigger on a really expensive video card, don't bother? Better off just SLIng with another GTX 460, if I really wanted a big boost? Haven't tried my 460 OC'd in most of those games, so I don't really notice that much of a difference, but I do in GTA IV.
I'd say $150-$250 is a good value range right now. SLi is a whole another issue on itself with compatibility, drivers, microstutter, extra power, noise, and heat. Dual GPU solutions have come a long long way though. I'd still easily recommend single card to everyone.
Dash Kappei said:
1) AMD 5xxx or 6xxx series if you're going to hook it up to a receiver via HDMI for audio&video and then receiver to tv/monitor via hdmi for video.
nVidia = no go for that?
Dash Kappei said:
I have a question too, I'm doing my first OC on a core i5 750, heatsink is a Scythe Ninja revB.

Just a mild one to 3.4Ghz.
BCLK 170 (or even 168) X20 Multi
memory multiplayer to X8 since my RAM is 1333Mhz dual channel 9-9-9-24.
Afterburner OFF and everything else Enabled.

This gives me a much higher result under Cinebench's cpus benchmark (4.3 points vs 3.68 at stock)

How do I know the correct vcore and vtt voltages?

My temps are too high under full load Prime95 STT it reaches 97° (!) after 5 passages and I have to switch it off.
Idle is at 43° for the highest core temp. At stock It goes only up to 45° under full load, 32° idle.

Do I just need to lower Vcore as low as possible as long as the system is stable (so going from 1.25v to 1.18 and so on...) since the risk is only if I go higher (to make it more stable) and not lower to keep heat and consumption down, am I right?

What I don't also understand is how do I calculate the VTT. Or should I leave it to auto? But then it gets hot!
Ninja is a good HS, I'd reseat it. You want the lowest stable voltage for a clockspeed. Stock voltage should be fine for 3.4Ghz. Realtemp (or was it Coretemp) reports the VID as does Speccy or HWMonitor.
Conceptor said:
but eventually decided on applying a very thin layer and spreading into the gaps with a credit card. The BIOS read my CPU temp at about 40 degrees C (on an open case missing the side panels and front bezel, mind you) so I may not have seated it correctly?
And as far as orientation/push-pull configs go, which do you prefer? I followed Hazaro's advice here - I have a CM690 Adv. II, so there's an exhaust in the back and at the top so I opted for just the single push fan going across the mobo/case into the rear exhaust.

Turns out my Windows 7 usb install doesn't work either :(. Gonna have to recheck the iso and try making a DVD this time.
A BB sized / 2 grains of rice sized ball (~3mm) in the middle is fine, a small line is fine as well.
Spreading it out lets air get trapped and you don't want that. Also the new Intel chips have really crappy idle sensors so just look at load temps.

Fan on HS is fine that way.

Win 7 USB installs are iffy sometimes, you can retry it.
jstevenson said:
I think my current desktop is ridiculous 7900GTX or something, it's coming up on 5-6 years (which was cutting edge then) - but stayed mostly on the consoles last few years.

I'm probably buying late Nov / early Dec. Don't want to miss out on the latest/greatest, but also don't want to overspend. Obviously the goal though is to get running 1920x1080/60fps at the highest detail setting possible.
I'd suggest a GTX 570 or a 2GB 6950 then. Pocket that extra money for later. Going to be a nice jump anyway.
Broadbandito said:
Can I image my primary hdd and transfer it to ssd?

or would it be easier to make a master windows cd (I bought windows vista OEM 64 bit > bought the upgrade to win 7 ultimate 64 but I had to use a copied master disc to use it. Legit Key and all, if I reinstall windows will the key be able to be used again?)
You can image but I've heard it is not the best and there can be performance loss/weird stuff.

You can install with the upgrade disc, then install the upgrade on that install using the key.
Edit: Newegg has the OCZ ModXStream Pro 700W modular PSU on sale for $60 after rebate, for example. Does OCZ still make quality stuff? I haven't done my homework on PSU's in a long time.
OCZ PSU's are still ok.
gokieks said:
It's simply mind boggling that a Llano system and an i5 2500K system would even be considered by someone for the same use. Why would you go with a Llano build if using a discrete GPU anyway? That pretty much just defeats the main purpose of going with a Fusion CPU/APU.
AMD Llano A6-3650 quad-core with MSI FM1 mobo ($130)
GTX 570 - $80


Cheapo PC.
Now a 2500K + mobo is going to be $300.
Really for gaming other than RTS an aggressively overclocked A6 should do ok.
 
Edit: Newegg has the OCZ ModXStream Pro 700W modular PSU on sale for $60 after rebate, for example. Does OCZ still make quality stuff? I haven't done my homework on PSU's in a long time.

[H]ard|OCP gave it a fail, and they're one of the few sites out there that does proper PSU reviews.

Consider these modular PSUs:
Rosewill HIVE 650w
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182132

Corsair TX550 550w
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139032

Seasonic M12II 620w
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151095


Not sure if it's the same as the 620w, but I got the 520w version of the Seasonic. I have a midtower (NZXT Lexa S) and personally found the cables quite short.
 
Wolf Akela said:
[H]ard|OCP gave it a fail, and they're one of the few sites out there that does proper PSU reviews.

Consider these modular PSUs:
Rosewill HIVE 650w
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182132

Corsair TX550 550w
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139032

Seasonic M12II 620w
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151095


Not sure if it's the same as the 620w, but I got the 520w version of the Seasonic. I have a midtower (NZXT Lexa S) and personally found the cables quite short.
Well the PSU isn't a death trap, it just isn't a 700W PSU :lol
Not surprised really, but OCZ isn't what I would call a bad PSU, it is the lowest I would recommend though.

I'd say BP550 for a GTX 570.
Up from that the 650w market is really neglected so my gut would say TX650M.
*$90AR + 10% off, hardwaresecrets said it is decent so that is good enough for me. Them plus jonnyguru and [h] as wolf said.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341051
 
n0n44m said:
OCCT PSU test is pretty much worst case scenario ... it's basically doing LinX + Furmark at the same time

still it means you are very close to maximizing your PSUs capability, and though it's nice it shuts down itself and doesn't blow up, I'd look for another PSU. I wouldn't run a PSU close to it's maximum capacity over a longer period, as it's both less efficient and it will wear down significantly faster.

Corsair TX/HX/AX or Seasonic are usually preferred for their build quality and performance, but a 700W OCZ should power your system without issues as well.

Thanks sir, your post confirmed what I believed. It was pretty funny seeing my whole system power off and thinking 'I guess it's not enough power after all.' :)

gokieks said:
It's simply mind boggling that a Llano system and an i5 2500K system would even be considered by someone for the same use. Why would you go with a Llano build if using a discrete GPU anyway? That pretty much just defeats the main purpose of going with a Fusion CPU/APU.

Because 1. It was dirt cheap and 2. I was experimenting with the overclocking. Right now, since it doesn't have unlocked multipliers (gotta wait for 3670 and 3870 Black Edition/K's for that), the overclocking is extremely tricky and frustrating. These 32nm CPU's have the potential to hit 4-4.5 Ghz with unlocked multipliers, and I had it at 3.6 Ghz with stability in Windows. Where it loses stability is POST... the mobos simply don't seem to enjoy the BCLK being fucked with. It's a very bizarre situation right now, but I really do think Llano and Trinity have a ton of potential to be THE budget CPU's of choice. And TBH even at 3~ Ghz it has more than enough power not to CPU limit the majority of games.

But a $220~ 2500k + Z68 mobo are VERY hard to pass up for the performance/futureproofing they offer. Damn it.

Hazaro said:
OCZ PSU's are still ok.

AMD Llano A6-3650 quad-core with MSI FM1 mobo ($130)
GTX 570 - $80


Cheapo PC.
Now a 2500K + mobo is going to be $300.
Really for gaming other than RTS an aggressively overclocked A6 should do ok.

Yeah, cheap and powerful. And 2500k + mobo is $220 at Microcenter, which is a 40 minute drive for me. I'll probably go to Frys tomorrow, return the Llano stuff, and go to Microcenter for a bangin' 2500k system. Then I'll need to order a PSU...
 
Hazaro said:
Well the PSU isn't a death trap, it just isn't a 700W PSU :lol
Not surprised really, but OCZ isn't what I would call a bad PSU, it is the lowest I would recommend though.

I'd say BP550 for a GTX 570.
Up from that the 650w market is really neglected so my gut would say TX650M.
*$90AR + 10% off, hardwaresecrets said it is decent so that is good enough for me. Them plus jonnyguru and [h] as wolf said.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341051

If I snag that 2500k and want to hit 4.5+ Ghz and am also hitting 900+ Mhz core on my GTX 570, what do I need to give me safe breathing room? 600w at the minimum from a quality PSU?

Also, should I just wait til Black Friday/Cyber Monday deals on PSU's? I think I should be OK on this PSU running a 2500k and GTX 570 if I don't overclock until I get the new PSU, yeah?

Apologies for the barrage of questions, but what kind of RAM (1.5v for 2500k, correct?) should I be using with a 2500k setup? 1333? 1600? And I keep hearing about this 1.5v voltage thing and to avoid 1.65v RAM.

(And to further exemplify what a full brand switch entails, I'll need a Hyper 212+ because I'm sure the stock 2500k heatsink is junk.)
 
Hazaro said:
nVidia = no go for that?

Only the 430, 460 and 560 and not with every driver, support is wonky.
If you wanted to ask then nope, the GTX 580 does not support full HD audio bitstreaming.

Also, of course if you want 3D playback you need to go with AMD 6xxx instead of 5xxx (although there's indeed a way with some models to get 3D playback over HDMI 1.3a without needing HDMI 1.4).

Ninja is a good HS, I'd reseat it.

Which means? ;P I honestly don't know what "reseating' should do/means, sorry!

You want the lowest stable voltage for a clockspeed. Stock voltage should be fine for 3.4Ghz. Realtemp (or was it Coretemp) reports the VID as does Speccy or HWMonitor.

I use Core Temp in fact, you mean I should use it for something else besides reading temps?
Tried stock voltage but cores got waaaay too hot under full load stresstest (95c).
I've found that @3.4Ghz (from 2.67Ghz) 1.18 Vcore and VTT 1.17 give me great performances (more points in Cinebench than @3.6Ghz with higher voltages), is super stable (at least in memtest and passed 8 hours of Prime95 without errors) and gets to a maximum of 62c under full load for the 4 cores.

Again, I've found those values just by trial and error, don't really have full grasp of what I'm doing, my first OC and I'm just reading around but of course nobody cares for the 'ole i5 750.
 
BoobPhysics101 said:
If I snag that 2500k and want to hit 4.5+ Ghz and am also hitting 900+ Mhz core on my GTX 570, what do I need to give me safe breathing room? 600w at the minimum from a quality PSU?

Also, should I just wait til Black Friday/Cyber Monday deals on PSU's? I think I should be OK on this PSU running a 2500k and GTX 570 if I don't overclock until I get the new PSU, yeah?

Apologies for the barrage of questions, but what kind of RAM (1.5v for 2500k, correct?) should I be using with a 2500k setup? 1333? 1600? And I keep hearing about this 1.5v voltage thing and to avoid 1.65v RAM.

(And to further exemplify what a full brand switch entails, I'll need a Hyper 212+ because I'm sure the stock 2500k heatsink is junk.)
A 2500K OC adds about 50w at regular voltages under load, a GTX 570 isn't that much.
A decent 550W should be fine, but if you want modular your only budget choice is the BP550.
Right now I'd say the best value would be the OCZ I linked for about $80 (not the modxstream). If you like warranties you might want the corsair 650w instead, but then you get into price territory of the Seasonic 620w... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151095

Black Friday isn't going to save you much. Cyber Mondays have been shitty, NCIXUS might have some good deals though.
1.5V RAM. 1333 is fine, 1600 if it is like $3 more is fine too.
Dash Kappei said:
Only the 430, 460 and 560 and not with every driver, support is wonky.
If you wanted to ask then nope, the GTX 580 does not support full HD audio bitstreaming.

Also, of course if you want 3D playback you need to go with AMD 6xxx instead of 5xxx (although there's indeed a way with some models to get 3D playback over HDMI 1.3a without needing HDMI 1.4).

Which means? ;P I honestly don't know what "reseating' should do/means, sorry!

I use Core Temp in fact, you mean I should use it for something else besides reading temps?
Tried stock voltage but cores got waaaay too hot under full load stresstest (95c).
I've found that @3.4Ghz (from 2.67Ghz) 1.18 Vcore and VTT 1.17 give me great performances (more points in Cinebench than @3.6Ghz with higher voltages), is super stable (at least in memtest and passed 8 hours of Prime95 without errors) and gets to a maximum of 62c under full load for the 4 cores.

Again, I've found those values just by trial and error, don't really have full grasp of what I'm doing, my first OC and I'm just reading around but of course nobody cares for the 'ole i5 750.
Download most recent coretemp and realtemp. Will say CPU VID on it.
Reseat means take it off, clean paste with alcohol, and apply new paste and mount it again.
Your voltages seems right in line with the clock speed, but on stock voltage you should be hitting 75C max and no where near those higher temp.
 
Just upgraded to an i2500K, 8gb Corsair Vengeance and a 60gb SSD (for OS and a few other things) from a Q9540, 4gb ram. My GPU is a 6950 2gb.

You guys think I will see much of a performance increase? Was worried my older system was holding my 6950 back as was seeing far lower performance than other people with 6950's in some games..
 
Hey guys I know some you think this is going to sound pretty stupid, but I was wondering what you guys would in this situation.

I really love my gaming PC and I sometimes I do purchase multi platform releases on it, but the reality of moving into a dorm next semester and an apartment next year I'm finding it really hard to purchase some games for the PC and leaning towards the console versions for games like Skyrim. It would be way easier to bring the console along instead of the tower,monitor,speaker,mouse, and keyboard and in the end all of this has somehow made me regret getting one and somehow selling it back all because I wouldn't be spending enough time with it.

I know it sounds crazy and it probably is, but I was curious as to what you guys would do if you were in my situation.
 
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