Sleeplessnights
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I heard great things about the G700 but which keyboard should I get with it?
Really? I used this guide and it told me to stress test for 10 minutes and then increase the clock if it's stable. I ran it at 965,975 and 985 for 20 minutes just fine but the driver crashed after i closed kombustor. I'm totally new to this so I don't really know what I'm doing haha.BigBlackGamer said:dude you won't even get past 900mhz with stock voltage. 985 on stock voltage is impossible with the GTX 580 Lightning. If you don't wanna mess with voltages you will get around a 875mhz overclock.
Whoa 225 pages. I'll try to read that thread. Thanks!BigBlackGamer said:you can get alot of good info and starting points in this thread
http://www.overclock.net/nvidia/1049463-official-gtx-580-overclocking-club.html
alot of the users in that thread have GTX 580 Lightnings.
It's no different than any other GPU when it comes to OC. Start at stock clocks. Run a benchmark and if it doesn't crash or display artifacts increase the speed by 10mhz. Rinse repeat until you get to a range where you are fine with the temps and have achieved stability.Spectacular Dr Dawg said:Really? I used this guide and it told me to stress test for 10 minutes and then increase the clock if it's stable. I ran it at 965,975 and 985 for 20 minutes just fine but the driver crashed after i closed kombustor. I'm totally new to this so I don't really know what I'm doing haha.
Do you know any good Lightning specific guides?
Sleeplessnights said:I heard great things about the G700 but which keyboard should I get with it?
jstevenson said:Right, sorry, brainfart on the DD+/True HD.
I have a great Onkyo receiver, obviously my PS3 can still handle blu-ray playback. Is it worth going AMD over NVidia then? I'm guessing it's just not necessary to have the full PAVP playback if games don't support - and while it'd be nice to run blu-ray through the PC (probably a better player?) - it's not worth sacrificing gaming performance when a PS3 is going to run the blu-ray just fine.
balladofwindfishes said:Can you build a computer that runs modern games for around 300 dollars?
Things I don't need
- Case
- DVD Drive
Thins I need
- Everything else
See, I made a PC (using this thread's help) for 800 and some change awhile back. But now my little brother is jealous and wants a computer, so my parents want me to build him one on a very low budget for his birthday.
A monitor is going to eat at least 100 dollars, bringing the actual price of components down to 200 dollars. Yea, that's not going to happen, is it :x
balladofwindfishes said:Can you build a computer that runs modern games for around 300 dollars?
Things I don't need
- Case
- DVD Drive
Thins I need
- Everything else
See, I made a PC (using this thread's help) for 800 and some change awhile back. But now my little brother is jealous and wants a computer, so my parents want me to build him one on a very low budget for his birthday.
A monitor is going to eat at least 100 dollars, bringing the actual price of components down to 200 dollars. Yea, that's not going to happen, is it :x
That's what I did. The benchmark ran just fine with no artifacts or anything up to 985 with stock voltage. When i closed MSI Kombustor I had a driver crash and after restarting I tried with with 980 and my PC immediately started chugging. I just thought that was strange.Smokey said:It's no different than any other GPU when it comes to OC. Start at stock clocks. Run a benchmark and if it doesn't crash or display artifacts increase the speed by 10mhz. Rinse repeat until you get to a range where you are fine with the temps and have achieved stability.
Spectacular Dr Dawg said:That's what I did. The benchmark ran just fine with no artifacts or anything up to 985 with stock voltage. When i closed MSI Kombustor I had a driver crash and after restarting I tried with with 980 and my PC immediately started chugging. I just thought that was strange.
You should take a look at that incremental pc guide (tinyurl.com/falconguide), which has a few more low(est)-range options than in the OP. The "destitute" build there would be about $240 for you, sans monitor. As for an OS, Windows 8 dev build is a free option, at least until it expires in March.balladofwindfishes said:Can you build a computer that runs modern games for around 300 dollars?
A monitor is going to eat at least 100 dollars, bringing the actual price of components down to 200 dollars. Yea, that's not going to happen, is it :x
balladofwindfishes said:Can you build a computer that runs modern games for around 300 dollars?
Things I don't need
- Case
- DVD Drive
Thins I need
- Everything else
See, I made a PC (using this thread's help) for 800 and some change awhile back. But now my little brother is jealous and wants a computer, so my parents want me to build him one on a very low budget for his birthday.
A monitor is going to eat at least 100 dollars, bringing the actual price of components down to 200 dollars. Yea, that's not going to happen, is it :x
Thanks. I'll try again from the beginning and use Unigine instead of Kombustor.n0n44m said:try some other software. Furmark is the most extreme when disabling your cards overcurrent protection but totally unrealistic and possibly damaging.
I always used to suggest using Unigine Heaven Benchmark, but lately I've found Battlefield 3 to be even more stressing on my GPU
just boot up some BF3 level at 985 with stock voltage, I'm sure your driver crashes within seconds(or your entire system hangs)
What voltage are you running at?Giriath_89 said:Man the GTX 580 Lightning is good. I have mine running 980MHz and it rarely breaks 70 degrees.
Spectacular Dr Dawg said:What voltage are you running at?
Menelaus said:I'm really loving my new i5 2500k! Nicer all the way around than the Phenoms.
TheExodu5 said:The HDD prices are really, really bad right now. You could have gotten an acceptable HDD for $40 before this hike.
RibbedHero said:What price hike?
kagete said:http://techgage.com/images/news/western_digital_flood_102511.jpg[IMG]
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I got that exact HDD for £35, and now its £50. An odd price increase, but given those pics, understandable.
Hazaro: I'll reply as soon as Champions League matches are overjstevenson said:Got it. Yeah, Not worried about hiding it. Got a huge TV it can sit behind without causing issues. I don't think having it look like HT equipment is worth the tradeoff.
If you were looking to build right now, would you hold off for the next round of GPUs then? or go cheap with plans to upgrade for the next round?
Right, sorry, brainfart on the DD+/True HD.
I have a great Onkyo receiver, obviously my PS3 can still handle blu-ray playback. Is it worth going AMD over NVidia then? I'm guessing it's just not necessary to have the full PAVP playback if games don't support - and while it'd be nice to run blu-ray through the PC (probably a better player?) - it's not worth sacrificing gaming performance when a PS3 is going to run the blu-ray just fine.
So really, unless I decided to pull the trigger on a really expensive video card, don't bother? Better off just SLIng with another GTX 460, if I really wanted a big boost? Haven't tried my 460 OC'd in most of those games, so I don't really notice that much of a difference, but I do in GTA IV.Hazaro said:A 560 is an overclocked 460. 560Ti is a small bump and a 570 is another small bump.
You'll want to boost your 460 frames by around 10% since few 460's run at that low stock speed.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/313?vs=330
A. I'm not positive since this is not my expertise but I believe GPUs can handle what you are talking about (they have HDMI out and sound now).
B:
http://www.logitech.com/en-us/keyboards/keyboard/devices/3616
http://www.logitech.com/en-us/keyboards/keyboard/devices/k750-keyboard
http://www.logitech.com/en-us/keyboards/keyboard/devices/192
C. Instant OS and instant program loading too
D. Small form factor case and nice heatsinks with good fans
If just for temps don't bother. Those are fine.
I don't know. If someone does a post or PM would be nice.
Niblet said:Edit: Read an article on Hardocp about the difference. Holy hell, async sucks in comparison.
Hazaro said:There ya go.
So here is my question.
1. If someone wanted that stuff only for Blu-Ray what GPU/sound setup would you say? What if it is for a TV? What if it is for desk monitor?
2. For gaming doesn't matter right?
I followed Hazaro's advice here - I have a CM690 Adv. II, so there's an exhaust in the back and at the top so I opted for just the single push fan going across the mobo/case into the rear exhaust.Hazaro said:Since the fans run about the same its not as disruptive, however the CM 212+ fan psuhes a decent amount of air. You really only need 1 of them.
Drops temps about 2-4C usually. You use them so you can have 2 lower speed fans and less noise usually.
Push 100%.
I put a small glob on the processor, then spread it out by simply putting the heatsink in place and fastening it to the motherboard (squeezing the paste to cover the processor). I'm getting 33°C idle, and 55-60°C under full load - I've overclocked it to 4.3GHz at 1.3V. If you're getting 40° idle, there's probably something wrong.Conceptor said:For those of you using the 212+ with a 2500k, did you find that the processor was smaller than the heatsink base? What method did you guys follow for applying the thermal paste? I intended on following this (excluding the lapping), but eventually decided on applying a very thin layer and spreading into the gaps with a credit card. The BIOS read my CPU temp at about 40 degrees C (on an open case missing the side panels and front bezel, mind you) so I may not have seated it correctly? I think I'll reapply and seat it later this week. Do you guys usually give the paste some time to cure on the mobo? I didn't wait (was in a rush) and placed the mobo into the case after I was done putting on the 212+.
Hazaro said:It is up to you. The GTX 580 should certainly hold its own in power, but you might be able to get a slightly faster card that uses less power Q1 2012.
A 570 or 6970 right now is above the 560Ti/6950 sweet spot I feel. If I was buying I would be fine with a $250 card to carry me over, but it is a very personal thing on how much graphics you want.
What are you coming from?
jstevenson said:I think my current desktop is ridiculous 7900GTX or something, it's coming up on 5-6 years (which was cutting edge then) - but stayed mostly on the consoles last few years.
I'm probably buying late Nov / early Dec. Don't want to miss out on the latest/greatest, but also don't want to overspend. Obviously the goal though is to get running 1920x1080/60fps at the highest detail setting possible.
BoobPhysics101 said:HOWEVER, earlier today when I tried to run OCCT to stress test my videocard, my entire computer shut off as soon as the test started. am guessing that means it cannot handle the load generated by OCCT, despite BF3 running fine.
So should I get a new PSU? I'd like 600-650w at the minimum and I LOVE modular PSU's, cable management is important to me. I'd like to not spend an assload as well since I'm somewhat obsessed with 'high performance, low budget' based builds.
BoobPhysics101 said:Ugh, another thing: think I'm gonna take back my Llano A6-3650 + MSI A75MA-G55 mobo to Frys. Yeah, it's cheap as hell and performs well but it isn't overclocking the way I'd like it to.
Microcenter has the Intel (ugh) 2500k + Gigabyte Z68 mobo (which got excellent reviews) for $220 after rebate, so around $245~ after tax. It's $100 more than the cost of the Llano but will overclock to 4.5+ Ghz and I won't have to upgrade for 2-3 years if I stick with it.
Fuck it... going back over to the dark side I guess.
I'd say $150-$250 is a good value range right now. SLi is a whole another issue on itself with compatibility, drivers, microstutter, extra power, noise, and heat. Dual GPU solutions have come a long long way though. I'd still easily recommend single card to everyone.Karmum said:So really, unless I decided to pull the trigger on a really expensive video card, don't bother? Better off just SLIng with another GTX 460, if I really wanted a big boost? Haven't tried my 460 OC'd in most of those games, so I don't really notice that much of a difference, but I do in GTA IV.
nVidia = no go for that?Dash Kappei said:1) AMD 5xxx or 6xxx series if you're going to hook it up to a receiver via HDMI for audio&video and then receiver to tv/monitor via hdmi for video.
Ninja is a good HS, I'd reseat it. You want the lowest stable voltage for a clockspeed. Stock voltage should be fine for 3.4Ghz. Realtemp (or was it Coretemp) reports the VID as does Speccy or HWMonitor.Dash Kappei said:I have a question too, I'm doing my first OC on a core i5 750, heatsink is a Scythe Ninja revB.
Just a mild one to 3.4Ghz.
BCLK 170 (or even 168) X20 Multi
memory multiplayer to X8 since my RAM is 1333Mhz dual channel 9-9-9-24.
Afterburner OFF and everything else Enabled.
This gives me a much higher result under Cinebench's cpus benchmark (4.3 points vs 3.68 at stock)
How do I know the correct vcore and vtt voltages?
My temps are too high under full load Prime95 STT it reaches 97° (!) after 5 passages and I have to switch it off.
Idle is at 43° for the highest core temp. At stock It goes only up to 45° under full load, 32° idle.
Do I just need to lower Vcore as low as possible as long as the system is stable (so going from 1.25v to 1.18 and so on...) since the risk is only if I go higher (to make it more stable) and not lower to keep heat and consumption down, am I right?
What I don't also understand is how do I calculate the VTT. Or should I leave it to auto? But then it gets hot!
A BB sized / 2 grains of rice sized ball (~3mm) in the middle is fine, a small line is fine as well.Conceptor said:but eventually decided on applying a very thin layer and spreading into the gaps with a credit card. The BIOS read my CPU temp at about 40 degrees C (on an open case missing the side panels and front bezel, mind you) so I may not have seated it correctly?
And as far as orientation/push-pull configs go, which do you prefer? I followed Hazaro's advice here - I have a CM690 Adv. II, so there's an exhaust in the back and at the top so I opted for just the single push fan going across the mobo/case into the rear exhaust.
Turns out my Windows 7 usb install doesn't work either. Gonna have to recheck the iso and try making a DVD this time.
I'd suggest a GTX 570 or a 2GB 6950 then. Pocket that extra money for later. Going to be a nice jump anyway.jstevenson said:I think my current desktop is ridiculous 7900GTX or something, it's coming up on 5-6 years (which was cutting edge then) - but stayed mostly on the consoles last few years.
I'm probably buying late Nov / early Dec. Don't want to miss out on the latest/greatest, but also don't want to overspend. Obviously the goal though is to get running 1920x1080/60fps at the highest detail setting possible.
You can image but I've heard it is not the best and there can be performance loss/weird stuff.Broadbandito said:Can I image my primary hdd and transfer it to ssd?
or would it be easier to make a master windows cd (I bought windows vista OEM 64 bit > bought the upgrade to win 7 ultimate 64 but I had to use a copied master disc to use it. Legit Key and all, if I reinstall windows will the key be able to be used again?)
OCZ PSU's are still ok.Edit: Newegg has the OCZ ModXStream Pro 700W modular PSU on sale for $60 after rebate, for example. Does OCZ still make quality stuff? I haven't done my homework on PSU's in a long time.
AMD Llano A6-3650 quad-core with MSI FM1 mobo ($130)gokieks said:It's simply mind boggling that a Llano system and an i5 2500K system would even be considered by someone for the same use. Why would you go with a Llano build if using a discrete GPU anyway? That pretty much just defeats the main purpose of going with a Fusion CPU/APU.
Edit: Newegg has the OCZ ModXStream Pro 700W modular PSU on sale for $60 after rebate, for example. Does OCZ still make quality stuff? I haven't done my homework on PSU's in a long time.
Well the PSU isn't a death trap, it just isn't a 700W PSU :lolWolf Akela said:[H]ard|OCP gave it a fail, and they're one of the few sites out there that does proper PSU reviews.
Consider these modular PSUs:
Rosewill HIVE 650w
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182132
Corsair TX550 550w
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139032
Seasonic M12II 620w
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151095
Not sure if it's the same as the 620w, but I got the 520w version of the Seasonic. I have a midtower (NZXT Lexa S) and personally found the cables quite short.
n0n44m said:OCCT PSU test is pretty much worst case scenario ... it's basically doing LinX + Furmark at the same time
still it means you are very close to maximizing your PSUs capability, and though it's nice it shuts down itself and doesn't blow up, I'd look for another PSU. I wouldn't run a PSU close to it's maximum capacity over a longer period, as it's both less efficient and it will wear down significantly faster.
Corsair TX/HX/AX or Seasonic are usually preferred for their build quality and performance, but a 700W OCZ should power your system without issues as well.
gokieks said:It's simply mind boggling that a Llano system and an i5 2500K system would even be considered by someone for the same use. Why would you go with a Llano build if using a discrete GPU anyway? That pretty much just defeats the main purpose of going with a Fusion CPU/APU.
Hazaro said:OCZ PSU's are still ok.
AMD Llano A6-3650 quad-core with MSI FM1 mobo ($130)
GTX 570 - $80
Cheapo PC.
Now a 2500K + mobo is going to be $300.
Really for gaming other than RTS an aggressively overclocked A6 should do ok.
Hazaro said:Well the PSU isn't a death trap, it just isn't a 700W PSU :lol
Not surprised really, but OCZ isn't what I would call a bad PSU, it is the lowest I would recommend though.
I'd say BP550 for a GTX 570.
Up from that the 650w market is really neglected so my gut would say TX650M.
*$90AR + 10% off, hardwaresecrets said it is decent so that is good enough for me. Them plus jonnyguru and [h] as wolf said.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341051
Hazaro said:nVidia = no go for that?
Ninja is a good HS, I'd reseat it.
You want the lowest stable voltage for a clockspeed. Stock voltage should be fine for 3.4Ghz. Realtemp (or was it Coretemp) reports the VID as does Speccy or HWMonitor.
A 2500K OC adds about 50w at regular voltages under load, a GTX 570 isn't that much.BoobPhysics101 said:If I snag that 2500k and want to hit 4.5+ Ghz and am also hitting 900+ Mhz core on my GTX 570, what do I need to give me safe breathing room? 600w at the minimum from a quality PSU?
Also, should I just wait til Black Friday/Cyber Monday deals on PSU's? I think I should be OK on this PSU running a 2500k and GTX 570 if I don't overclock until I get the new PSU, yeah?
Apologies for the barrage of questions, but what kind of RAM (1.5v for 2500k, correct?) should I be using with a 2500k setup? 1333? 1600? And I keep hearing about this 1.5v voltage thing and to avoid 1.65v RAM.
(And to further exemplify what a full brand switch entails, I'll need a Hyper 212+ because I'm sure the stock 2500k heatsink is junk.)
Download most recent coretemp and realtemp. Will say CPU VID on it.Dash Kappei said:Only the 430, 460 and 560 and not with every driver, support is wonky.
If you wanted to ask then nope, the GTX 580 does not support full HD audio bitstreaming.
Also, of course if you want 3D playback you need to go with AMD 6xxx instead of 5xxx (although there's indeed a way with some models to get 3D playback over HDMI 1.3a without needing HDMI 1.4).
Which means? ;P I honestly don't know what "reseating' should do/means, sorry!
I use Core Temp in fact, you mean I should use it for something else besides reading temps?
Tried stock voltage but cores got waaaay too hot under full load stresstest (95c).
I've found that @3.4Ghz (from 2.67Ghz) 1.18 Vcore and VTT 1.17 give me great performances (more points in Cinebench than @3.6Ghz with higher voltages), is super stable (at least in memtest and passed 8 hours of Prime95 without errors) and gets to a maximum of 62c under full load for the 4 cores.
Again, I've found those values just by trial and error, don't really have full grasp of what I'm doing, my first OC and I'm just reading around but of course nobody cares for the 'ole i5 750.