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"I need a New PC!" 2012 Thread. Ivy, SSDs, and reading the OP. [Part 2]
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Sapphire and Gigabyte with the twin fan coolers on top will run really quiet.
Its good for a workstation, multimedia, and virtual machines. I dont like the PSU and the SSD isnt bad, but could be better.Total overkill for a gaming machine. You clearly are okay with spending a lot of money on a computer. You should match up something with the enthusiast build in the OP. Rather than a $300 motherboard and a $600 process, you would be better off saving that money or using it on a second video card.
Any chance you are PAC NW local?
Shit. Aquaero XT might have to wait for this guy.
RibbedHero
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I believe the top one is a 3.5" bay.
dude what, the 560ti is more than capable of maxing or almost maxing games at 1080p...
I use the mouse and keyboard while sitting on my couch. It's not more or less uncomfortable than using them on a desk. Just put a pillow under your arm and use a stiff mouse pad. I don't know why people (not you but in general) have such a hard time realizing this.
Pretty sure that's glue.
The Lamonster
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Thanks dude. So do you now agree with Hazaro that my PSU can handle a 7850?
Sorry about all the questions, just gotta be absolutely sure when spending $200+ on a card that may or may not even solve my issue haha
edit: these are the cards I'm looking at...not sure what the difference is...? Would any of them work in my machine?
$249.99 Sapphire Radeon HD 7850 OC 2GB DDR5 HDMI/DVI-I/DVI-D/DP PCI-Express Graphics Card (11200-14-20G)
$232.19 Sapphire Radeon HD 7850 2GB DDR5 HDMI/DVI-I/DVI-D/DP PCI-Express Graphics Card (11200-07-20G)
$235.99 Gigabyte AMD Radeon HD 7850 2 GB GDDR5 DVI-I/HDMI/2x mini-Displayport PCI-Express 3.0 Graphic Card GV-R785OC-2GD
not at 120Hz
Ok, thanks for the advice, I guess I could go with a slightly lesser build. I just want something that's gonna last and can run most of the stuff that's out today in high settings.
I don't know what "PAC NW" stands for, I'm in Sweden.
Vault 13 Dweller
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<-- B.c. here, we get called Pacific northwest alot.
This is the version of the 7850 i was looking at getting,
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007KJ1URG/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Didn't realize you could get one with 2 fans built in. Is that worth the money to get one of the ones with 2 fans? Do they both run same speeds just those ones cool down better?
Thanks!
This is the version of the 7850 i was looking at getting,
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007KJ1URG/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Didn't realize you could get one with 2 fans built in. Is that worth the money to get one of the ones with 2 fans? Do they both run same speeds just those ones cool down better?
Thanks!
7950 or 670?
$300 vs $400
Is the price gap worth the performance difference?
I'm kind of on a budget, I'll go 670 if it's clearly better and driver performance is a homerun. I'd prefer the cheaper card if it's not a big gap.
I see a XFX 7950 for like $270 at Newegg with Sleeping Dogs free which seems like a great bargain. Is it quiet?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150616
$300 vs $400
Is the price gap worth the performance difference?
I'm kind of on a budget, I'll go 670 if it's clearly better and driver performance is a homerun. I'd prefer the cheaper card if it's not a big gap.
I see a XFX 7950 for like $270 at Newegg with Sleeping Dogs free which seems like a great bargain. Is it quiet?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150616
No, but you can still play @60 on a 120Hz display.
I can't comment between getting a 7950 or 670. Though I think most will say if you can swing it then get the 670.
Regarding XFX, I've heard their 7950s are noisey and aren't very cool. Go with Sapphire or the Gigabyte Windforce models with the twin or triple fans. Both should OC well on stock voltage, up to 1ghz easily, probably a little higher even.
Can anyone else chime in? (not that I don't believe you, but majority sway is nice
Also, how big is that gap? It'd be SOOOOO nice to pay around $300 and get something relatively quiet (if possible).
I would spend $400 but I'd really rather not if the performance is pretty close in most cases.
Defeats the purpose
Can anyone else chime in? (not that I don't believe you, but majority sway is nice
Also, how big is that gap? It'd be SOOOOO nice to pay around $300 and get something relatively quiet (if possible).
I would spend $400 but I'd really rather not if the performance is pretty close in most cases.
Through a small OC the 7950 can close the clock speed gap I believe.
I don't know what pushes the 670 over the edge but it is highly recommended.
I myself just decided to save the $100 and went with the 7950.
EDIT: Check out Anandtech.com's benches. You can compare both cards head to head.
As for quiet, I guess that's a relative term, because at load my Sapphire 7950's fans aren't obnoxious but you can definitely hear them clearly. Granted I do have an aggresive fan profile set up, 1% per 1c, at 65c it switches to 2% per 1c.
Which 7950 did you go with? Are you happy with the performance you're getting? What games do you play and at what resolution?
My 42" HDTV is 720p lol. It's still a beautiful screen and serves me well so I expect to go with a high AA of some sort. Should keep me 60fps in most games right?
Lone_Prodigy
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The difference seems to be that the more expensive Sapphire one is overclocked already (you can manually overclock as well).
As for which brand to go with, you can't really go wrong with either. Consider the warranty of each and the clockspeed (though the difference is negligible).
The Lamonster
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I went ahead and purchased this one:
$232.19 Sapphire Radeon HD 7850 2GB DDR5 HDMI/DVI-I/DVI-D/DP PCI-Express Graphics Card (11200-07-20G)
Hope 1) the install process goes smoothly (never done anything like this to my PC before) and 2) the original 8800GT video card was what was causing my computer to crash in the first place!
Thanks all for the help! Any advice to beginners on replacing your video card?
I bought the Sapphire 7950 950mhz OC edition. I like it a lot.
I play at 1900x1080, lately I've been playing Borderlands 2, Guild Wars 2, Sleeping Dogs (came free), Battlefield 3, all maxed out (Sleeping Dogs on extreme).
Only catch is Borderlands 2 I keep Physx off since that is an nVidia feature.
Most games stay at 60 fps with occassional dips to low 50s. Sleeping Dogs can hit the 40s. I'm not the best judge on FPS though, anything above 40 fps keeps me happy since my PCs (until this one) have been bottom-low/mid tier in performance.
EDIT: I meant Battlefield 3 ...
what kennah and scogoth said
if I get a 120hz I wanna play above 90fps
also worth noting: one of my 560ti Twin Frozr fans is broken, this is also a factor on upgrading earlier
Dark Octave
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This is going to be exciting. Never in my life have I witnessed a PC game full max anything.
What's the next big graphical showcase coming to PC?
The Lamonster
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Crysis 3?
Two 680s and I still dont get 120fps in BF3 even at 1080p
7950 is about 10-15% slower on average. The 670 can pull ahead in some titles with AA on to 20-45% (Like Battlefield and Batman).
It's a beast of a card overall and fantastic value. You can't go wrong at that price. It launched for $450 I think.
Uninstall drivers. Shutdown. Remove video card. Install new card. Install new drivers.
Your PSU should be ok as an average CPU+GPU system load should only be around 220W, peaking around 250W. If you think of it as adding 2 HDD's and a fan, that's the extra power draw vs the 8800GT.
When possible I'd still swap in a VP 450 though.
I have no idea. Maybe Metro Last Light or the upcoming Aliens game... Crysis 3 and FarCry 3 too.
Currently Crysis 2, The Witcher 2, Sleeping Dogs (with the free Extreme DLC), and Battlefield 3 push graphics cards quite hard.
I should reinstall The Witcher 2 and test it out. Haven't done that yet with my new card, though my GTX 460 ran it fairly well at higher settings.
The Lamonster
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Okay, thanks for all the help!
well yeah, but to this day BF3 still pushes hardware more than upcoming releases
also of note that anything above 75hz already feels different, so I dont need 120fps constant
Dark Octave
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Ok cool. That's perfect becasue I'm playing Crysis 2 on 360 right now and I'm floored by the visuals in that game.
Thanks guys.
I would be glad for some recommendations on my future rig:
CPU Core i5 3570K ¥18,571
MSI Z77A-G43 ¥8,981
CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9 ¥3,580 + ¥525
Xonar DG ¥2,909
Crucial m4 128GB ¥7,616
WD Blue WD10EZEX 1TB ¥5,870
Total of ¥48000 or U$610....
Now I think I need a GPU, power supply, heat sink and a case.
For the GPU I'll probably for the GTX670, I need to read more about the brands, but the cheapest ones here it's the Zotac, Zotac with twin cooler and the JETSTREAM form Palit. Each one for like ¥32,000 or U$410.
I'm currently using a gaming notebook Asus G73JH. According on professional reviews, the noise level in IDLE is 34 dB and in high load is like 40dB...
So I'm looking for some quiet solution (if I can have some...)
Hyper 212 EVO looks like quiet and cheaper. Do I have any better options? Maybe the pre-made watercooling things?
I never thought that the case was so expensive, was trying to get one for like U$60 but I think I won't :U
What I'm thinking so far:
CORSAIR Obsidian 550D ¥12,000 U$152
Fractal Design R4 ¥11,000 U$140
ANTEC P280 ¥10,000 U$130
Fractal Design R3 ¥9,000 U$115
For the power supply, coudn't find anything at the OP list, so...
CPU Core i5 3570K ¥18,571
MSI Z77A-G43 ¥8,981
CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9 ¥3,580 + ¥525
Xonar DG ¥2,909
Crucial m4 128GB ¥7,616
WD Blue WD10EZEX 1TB ¥5,870
Total of ¥48000 or U$610....
Now I think I need a GPU, power supply, heat sink and a case.
For the GPU I'll probably for the GTX670, I need to read more about the brands, but the cheapest ones here it's the Zotac, Zotac with twin cooler and the JETSTREAM form Palit. Each one for like ¥32,000 or U$410.
I'm currently using a gaming notebook Asus G73JH. According on professional reviews, the noise level in IDLE is 34 dB and in high load is like 40dB...
So I'm looking for some quiet solution (if I can have some...)
Hyper 212 EVO looks like quiet and cheaper. Do I have any better options? Maybe the pre-made watercooling things?
I never thought that the case was so expensive, was trying to get one for like U$60 but I think I won't :U
What I'm thinking so far:
CORSAIR Obsidian 550D ¥12,000 U$152
Fractal Design R4 ¥11,000 U$140
ANTEC P280 ¥10,000 U$130
Fractal Design R3 ¥9,000 U$115
For the power supply, coudn't find anything at the OP list, so...
Well you yourself said that you'll be getting your new GPU very soon after the screen, surely you can play @ 60 fps until then? Anyway, seems you've already decided to go with the GPU first so do that.
what if I cant max out Dishonored @ 1080p on my 560ti
WHAT THEN
;_;
I also gotta say that im reading stuff about the S23A700D having issues with gamma shift and blueish/purple tint. ugh fuck the availability around here
Just wait until you can buy both at the same time. You'll save yourself some stress and sleepless nights.
Just wait until you can buy both at the same time. You'll save yourself some stress and sleepless nights.
not an option sadly, counting on the money of selling my current card to buy the other thing
already have an interested partyRibbedHero
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Huh? I get a steady 60 pretty much all the time on max settings with a 670, I imagine 680s in SLI (with the kind of scaling you get with Kepler) to maintain 120fps constantly. That's odd.
Max for me includes 4xMSAA. And is really hard to push BF3 that high. When i have three screens (5760x1080) it goes from 100fps to 70fps so its not a scaling issues, just the game.
Xdrive05
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I can finally join the 16gb club:
and the new ram actually matches my mobo color
G.Skill Ripjaws X ftw
Me too, as of today. But you know what sucks?
hemtae
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I'm going for the excellent build in the OP and ordered all my parts using the links from pcpartpicker. Anyways I must have become temporarily blind or something because what I thought was suppose to be the PSU is
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...&cm_mmc=TEMC-RMA-Approvel-_-Content-_-text-_-
And all the correspondence they have sent me clearly says that it is in fact 8GB of RAM. So my question is is that reputable company or will those sticks of RAM explode once I attach it to my motherboard?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...&cm_mmc=TEMC-RMA-Approvel-_-Content-_-text-_-
And all the correspondence they have sent me clearly says that it is in fact 8GB of RAM. So my question is is that reputable company or will those sticks of RAM explode once I attach it to my motherboard?
Calibrated Chaos
Member
Couple questions:
Looking to get a new keyboard, under $100, possibly mechanical/silent. Any suggestions?
Also I'm packing a 5770 from two years ago. Is it time to upgrade or will I still be good for a while longer? Other specs: AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black 3.2ghz, 12 GB ram, Crucial m4 SSD
Looking to get a new keyboard, under $100, possibly mechanical/silent. Any suggestions?
Also I'm packing a 5770 from two years ago. Is it time to upgrade or will I still be good for a while longer? Other specs: AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black 3.2ghz, 12 GB ram, Crucial m4 SSD
OP, read the Tech report link about CPU performance. I think its a worthwhile upgrade if it won't totally screw up your budget. Best bang for the buck would be just a GPU upgrade.
As far as the keyboard goes, OP has you covered there. CMStorm Rapid Red for tenkeyless is the best buy in mechanical boards.
1.65V=not optimal. Send it back.
hemtae
Member
Newegg says its 1.65V but the package it came in says 1.5V. So I don't really know what to do.
I don't know if any silent models below $100, but the SteelSeries 6Gv2 is built like a tank and its Cherry MX Black keys aren't too terribly loud at bottoming out. If you have pretty decent finger strength and want linear keys, it's perfect. I'm in love with mine.
As for upgrades, GPU is a must. You can probably hold out until Haswell for the rest.
Dark Octave
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So I just got a voicemail from Fry's. I was at the end of my rope with this build. Had the power supply checked out at Fry's, replaced the mother board, replaced and upgraded the ram, so I pay the $70 to have them deal with it and turns out that it was the power supply after all.
Kinda feel like I've been robbed of a successful build, $70 and a little sanity...
Kinda feel like I've been robbed of a successful build, $70 and a little sanity...
killertofu
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Hi guys,
I was wondering if it were better for me to wait until Black Friday to jump on getting a decent deal on SSDs. I've been looking at prices on Slickdeals and its usually around 160 for 256GB. Am I gonna find a better deal in a month or so?
I was wondering if it were better for me to wait until Black Friday to jump on getting a decent deal on SSDs. I've been looking at prices on Slickdeals and its usually around 160 for 256GB. Am I gonna find a better deal in a month or so?
If the sticks say 1.5V on them run em at 1.5V
Team is alright.
Possible, but hard to believe.
I'd only jump on the 830 / m4 right now so if those come up on sale I'd nab one.
Jzero
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I think I've got an idea of your tastes between the FT02 and 550D. Give me a budget and I'll give you your best options.
I don't like aggressive cases at all. But this is the one in that category that I love. Got to handle it quite a bit at PAX, and I'm really impressed.
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