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"I need a New PC!" 2012 Thread. Ivy, SSDs, and reading the OP. [Part 2]
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StickSoldier
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So let me ask you this, does it really matter if a CPU has a gpu integrated? I mean, some of the i3s I'm looking at have them on there. I still want a dedicated video card, but I don't want a cpu with an integrated one if it causes problems.
Generally quad core i5s are much more cost effective. Sandy-EX really only makes sense if you need more than 32 GB of RAM per PC, but you don't want to go into Xeon land, which performs much worse per core even ignoring the absurd price bump.
statham
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please help.
Sandforce controller on that SSD?
Steps to take:
Does it show in BIOS?
Try it in a different socket/with different cable, does it show in BIOS?
Try a different drive does it show in BIOS?
Try ssd in another system
If doesn't show in BIOS then
Pray then
Cry or pay big money for data recovery
And if so, get any SSDs that use controllers made by the manufacturer so everything's properly tested. My crucial bricked on me when I tried firmware updating to fix 30 second IO access pauses. Sandforce is shit.
Do you have a second HDD you can put an OS on so you can try to recover data? Or do you have a USB stick? You could boot Ubuntu from USB and then see if you can access the drive.
You do know crucial uses a Marvell controller not sandforce
Derp, I'm mixing up controllers. Anyway, I edited my post to say any manufacturer because I thought anand said part of the problem was 3rd party controllers were designed before devices that utilized 6 Gb/s actually existed. My memory may be off, and it may not be a problem in 2012.
Anyway, I had this HDD and a similar problem with partition tables messing up during firmware update.
statham
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SSD does not show in bios, but when I switch cables, the HD shows. I'm screwed.
Infinite Justice
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what brand SSD is it?
Yeah you can try it in a different system but I wouldn't get your hopes up. Had this happen to my vertex 2. I was sol on data recovery
Infinite Justice
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I was checking it out but it seems like it uses a Sandforce controller.
what is up with those things in particular?
what is up with those things in particular?
StickSoldier
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Anyone know this? Can I just disable the integrated gpu and use the video card instead?
Had some firmware issues that caused some bricking, especially in OCZ drives but it does affect all sandforce controllers.
EDIT: That ssd is actually a Toshiba controller
Infinite Justice
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Yes you normally can do it in the bios or it should auto detect and use the dedicated card instead.
StickSoldier
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Alright cool thank you.
Infinite Justice
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its like the time when motherboards would have the onboard video stuff on the board, but now that is on the processor it self. But you deal with it the same way and have an option to change it when you get a more powerful processor
oh i thought this was the one with the sandforce but i guess Kingston has been all over the place with the controllers according to this article
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4010/kingston-ssdnow-v-plus-100-review
anyways thanks for the info as i wanted to know the deal with sandforce, and given some articles it sounds like they were pretty loved in the beginning.
SnakeswithLasers
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Stupid question time!
A) Is there a microatx tower that is under 13" tall that will also fit a good video card?
B) Is there any problem with running a PC on its side?
C) Why don't I see wireless ethernet cards on PC builds? Is all of this shit included on motherboards now? The world has gone crazy.
A) Is there a microatx tower that is under 13" tall that will also fit a good video card?
B) Is there any problem with running a PC on its side?
C) Why don't I see wireless ethernet cards on PC builds? Is all of this shit included on motherboards now? The world has gone crazy.
yeeee almost done
what my build looks like currently (i still got some cleaning and migration to do) and my excuse the shitty camera
edit: ssd is hidden
Your build looks almost exactly like the one I built recently.. White R4 case, Gigabyte Windforce, Cooler Master 212, 2x additional Noctua Fans, Asus Z77 board..
yep they are. cpu is 3570k and ram is samsung 30nm.
inside i go for performance and the outside can be nice and clean.
what's a stable setting for the ram? I currently have a total of 16gb
so what's the dealio with the silent cat fan always at max speed on my cpu cooler? Its 3 cables instead of 4 like the stock one, wich I gather has something to do with controlling speed? but its not like its in a smart mode like speeding faster or slower depending on temperature, its always at 1600RPM, and I have all that Q-fan control stuff enabled on BIOS..
Its trying to control the fan through PWM there should be option to control the fan through voltage instead.
didnt see anything like that under monitoring, only the 2 or 3 same options for every fan (q-fan control enabled/disabled, fan profile). Messed with everything (profile to silent, to manual, etc) and no changes. P8P67-LE btw. What would an option like the one you describe be called like?
for reference the stock fan was 920-1000rpm at idle and 1500 on load. This is 1600 no matter what from the moment I turn it on
Sutton Dagger
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Awesome.
I built mine just before the R4 came out, so I have the R3. I really like being able to remove the drive bays, that must be heaps better for airflow compared to the R3?
sorijealut
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Define R4 window or windowless?
Is there really a difference in sound-dampening?
Is there really a difference in sound-dampening?
Totally windowless with heavy sound damping in the side panels. The vent holes are even filled with sound damping.
If you want to know a Define R4 inside out you could use 40 minutes and watch this in depth tour.
Looked into your MB and looks like you can't. Sorry =(
You can still use a resistor to make it run slower or look into getting a PWM fan
sorijealut
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Geez, I love cases, I could oogle at them for hours haha.
Thanks, appreciate that. I am ordering...
I know, it's kinda relaxing just looking at all the features. A friend of mine got a Define R4 after watching that vid.
sorijealut
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... and I, as well
I bought the Arc Midi for a friend a while ago and now the Black R4 for myself.
Extremely stoked for my first build attempt.
My new 7870-rig just landed yesterday, it's been maybe ten years since I had a gaming PC. Tested it so far on Rift, seeing and playing with settings on "ultra" and 1600x1050 resolution is nothing short of a revelation. I'll take Metro 2033 out for spin later today and check the results
gonna try to exchange it tomorrow, thanks
I've heard the ASUS (RT-N12) and ASUS (RT-N16) work well when flashed with Tomato. It's what we use at work.
Note they don't have a super great reputation for reliability, but nothing seems to these days.
Yes. TV's can't display true 120Hz content and there is not 120Hz content for them to display (It's all mostion interp or whatever).
It's like playing on an old CRT at 85Hz+ again. Rediscovering the 30 -> 60 FPs jump. So good.
Welcome backMy new 7870-rig just landed yesterday, it's been maybe ten years since I had a gaming PC. Tested it so far on Rift, seeing and playing with settings on "ultra" and 1600x1050 resolution is nothing short of a revelation. I'll take Metro 2033 out for spin later today and check the results
SonofdonCD
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Okay, so I'm pretty set to buy these components to make my new build:
CPU - http://www.microcenter.com/product/388577/Core_i5_3570K_34GHz_LGA_1155_Processor#
Motherboard - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157293
Case - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146061
I already have these components from my recent build:
GPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131374
RAM - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211409 (I have 3x2GB sticks. The new motherboard I'm buying has a deal from Newegg for 2x4GB sticks of RAM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231416) for free, so unless advised otherwise, I'll just use the new memory)
Power Supply - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371044
SSD - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226236
HDD - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136469
I need to rebuild cause my previous motherboard is fried. Everything else works like a charm. But I want to know what I might need as far as cooling is concerned. Is there an FAQ or general guideline that builders go by? While I have no evidence for it, I fear that cooling might have been one reason my previous build failed. I will be gaming primarily, with a little bit of music production on the side.
CPU - http://www.microcenter.com/product/388577/Core_i5_3570K_34GHz_LGA_1155_Processor#
Motherboard - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157293
Case - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146061
I already have these components from my recent build:
GPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131374
RAM - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211409 (I have 3x2GB sticks. The new motherboard I'm buying has a deal from Newegg for 2x4GB sticks of RAM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231416) for free, so unless advised otherwise, I'll just use the new memory)
Power Supply - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371044
SSD - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226236
HDD - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136469
I need to rebuild cause my previous motherboard is fried. Everything else works like a charm. But I want to know what I might need as far as cooling is concerned. Is there an FAQ or general guideline that builders go by? While I have no evidence for it, I fear that cooling might have been one reason my previous build failed. I will be gaming primarily, with a little bit of music production on the side.
Thanks bro, I'll check it out!
Use the new RAM included. Note that the new sticks are 1.5V and your older ones are 1.65V if you were planning to mix them
Cooling wise you can read through 2 Fan articles in the news section.
Long story short is you only need 1 intake (side preferred) and 1 exhaust (top/back preferred) to have good cooling. If you are concerned about cooling I recommend a CM 212+ / EVO cooler for your CPU, but it's not needed over stock. Will help with an overclock though!
FYI, Microcenter will give you a massive discount on those AsRock mbs when bought with that cpu.
CyanideFuse
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I have done a fair bit of reading this morning but extra clarification would be greatly welcomed on the following subject.
I think I need to replace my HDD due to some odd periodic ticking sounds. I have a 600W PSU so I don't think there is a power issue. BF3 ran last night using a I5 3570K & GTX670 (neither overclocked) without issues so does that say there isn't a power problem?
I want to clone the entire contents of the existing HDD onto a new HDD and I have read that Easeus disk copy is good for this.
If I run the software to clone the disk contents (including Win 7) onto the new drive and:
Shut down
Swap the drives around so the new cloned disk is the primary disk
Remove the old drive completely
Restart the system
Should this cloned disk (and now primary HDD) boot without an issue?
Will Win 7 need to be activated again or should I be okay?
Thanks!
I think I need to replace my HDD due to some odd periodic ticking sounds. I have a 600W PSU so I don't think there is a power issue. BF3 ran last night using a I5 3570K & GTX670 (neither overclocked) without issues so does that say there isn't a power problem?
I want to clone the entire contents of the existing HDD onto a new HDD and I have read that Easeus disk copy is good for this.
If I run the software to clone the disk contents (including Win 7) onto the new drive and:
Shut down
Swap the drives around so the new cloned disk is the primary disk
Remove the old drive completely
Restart the system
Should this cloned disk (and now primary HDD) boot without an issue?
Will Win 7 need to be activated again or should I be okay?
Thanks!
SonofdonCD
Member
OMG I want both of those games! But I don't have anything to trade myself. There is a thread here that deals with trades and such.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=393984
yup, better airflow
n64coder
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B - if a PC was designed to be standing and you're putting it on the side, you won't get optimal cooling because those designs are usually drawing air from the bottom and exhausting it at the top.
C - Some motherboards have wireless support as well as LAN support but most just have LAN support. It's better to have a wired connection where possible.
Hey gents, I'm looking for a recommendation of the best SSD bang for my buck. As of now I'm leaning towards 128 gig, but I'm not positive yet. The Tom's Hardware article I was reading on the subject recommended OCZ drives for this level and pricepoint (~$100), but I feel like I have heard enough negative things about OCZ's lack of reliability that I want to stay away from them if possible.
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