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"I Need a New PC!" 2016 Plus Ultra! HBM2, VR, 144Hz, and 4K for all!
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Celcius
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Not at all, there's nothing wrong with mixing and match amd/intel with nvidia/amd. In fact, most people upgrading to Ryzen will probably run nvidia graphics cards.
i wouldnt be missing out on any features? or not taking advantage of something?
Celcius
°Temp. member
Sword Of Doom
Member
Are "gaming" pc's and components designed for 7yr olds? Cause my nephew would love that design
Sorry I don't mean to talk shit. Enjoy your new pc. It's a touchy issue for me cause I just bought a gsync monitor and I wish it just looked like a monitor and not a velociraptor
dcx4610
Member
Anyone have any high airflow case recommendations? I like full/super towers with lots of fans and big intake. I have the Thermaltake Core V71 which I like but I've had it for years and the filters buzz out of the blue and annoy me to death. Any suggestions?
Note: I've already owned the Cooler Master HAF and the Corsair Obsidian drive bays annoy me.
Note: I've already owned the Cooler Master HAF and the Corsair Obsidian drive bays annoy me.
Celcius
°Temp. member
If price isn't a huge concern I highly recommend the CaseLabs Merlin SM8: http://www.caselabs-store.com/merlin-sm8-case/
Otherwise, what price range are you looking for?
Otherwise, what price range are you looking for?
I've been using an NZXT Phantom 630 for a few months ago, and I'm very pleased. The drive bays are completely removable and modular - I have one drive bay installed instead of the 7 it comes with. It has several big fans, with room to put a few more in if you are so inclined, and you can change their speeds by sliding the switch on the top. It was my first build in literally a decade, and the case definitely made it easy.
Sevenfold
Member
Dead according to input but ok until I unplug according to the accessories app. Home button never does anything when pressed.
Nope. What's there is what you have unless you add an expansion card to a PCI or pci-e slot.
Why not remove a smaller older drive? What are you doing?
Poetic.Injustice
Member
Guys, my friend is building a PC for the first time and he's come up with this configuration. Any feedback would be appreciated.
https://www.amazon.com/registry/wishlist/30D4GGVFMV8R5
https://www.amazon.com/registry/wishlist/30D4GGVFMV8R5
lordfuzzybutt
Member
The CPU is incompatible, he will need a 6xxx or 7xxx CPU.
So the cables arrived today. Unfortunately the SATA cable is too short. Need to get a adapter to use the new cable as an extension of the old one. Also need more cable combs for the PCI-E cable and the USB 3 header cable is shipping directly from Hong Kong, so it will take some time before it gets here.
Still very happy with the results so far.
Poetic.Injustice
Member
lordfuzzybutt
Member
Yeah it will.
Just to double check, this CPU and that Motherboard are non-overclockable parts. Are you guys not intending to overclock at all?
longdi
Banned
Wait for ryzen yo
Hello guys! A friend of mine can get Intel processors with great discount and I'm having some trouble deciding which one to get. Basically I'm between i5 7600k and i7 7700k. I'd like to not worry for a hardware change for a long time so I'm really interested in the 7700k. I'll be doing gaming most of the time and I've heard that a 7600k is just fine for that, but I've also heard that lately, games are making more use of extra threads, so that's why I'm kinda undecided. What do you think I should do?
Thanks!!
Thanks!!
Poetic.Injustice
Member
Now we're considering changing it.
7600k. Gaming ROI going from a 7600k to a 7700k is negligible. In 5 years the 7600k will still probably be fast enough to run every game.
Trying to decide on my last piece. I'm kinda new to the SSD game. My original plan was to go with an Intel 600p 500GB m.2 chip. However, I was thinking maybe I keep that open and just go with an samsung 850 500 drive. It seems like the 850 might be a bit faster? Just curious on others thoughts. The price isnt really a factor with these 2. I just want the best bang for the buck.
All of these drives are within margin of each other, you aren't going to notice a difference. I would go m.2 as less cables is better.
opticalmace
Member
I have to ship my computer next week. I was planning on removing the PSU, video card and CPU cooler to pack separately, while leaving the case with motherboard, CPU and RAM mounted (and then put into the padded case shipping box).
Anything I'm overlooking here?
Anything I'm overlooking here?
As long as you can pack the case securely, I wouldn't worry about removing the PSU. If the CPU cooler is similar to a stock Intel model then I wouldn't worry with that either, but if it's something like a high-end Noctua then yeah I'd remove it if possible. I have shipped with one of those in place in the past and it was fine, but I held my breath.
Sort of the same with video cards. If it's something pedestrian then pull it. If it's a 980ti / 1080 type card with substantial weight then might as well be safe.
So I had a dud ASUS RX 480 Dual OC 4GB that I returned to Microcenter in exchange for a MSI Gaming X (for $15 more), and I'm stunned at the difference in performance between the two cards. I messed with the ASUS for a few days as I was researching how everything worked with OCing it properly and it was clear it was a lemon. Gonna copy and paste my experience that I posted in the Overclock.net forum RX480-470-460 owners club thread:
Out of the box the MSI ran stable at stock 1305 MHz, 1750 MHz memory, at 1.162V and 0.975V respectively. Peak temp is 72 C with the fan only reaching 30-35%; with custom fan settings I can get the peak temp closer to 65 C at 55-65% fan at that point, but I'll take a few degrees of heat for less work on the fan.
Stable overclocks (passed at 5 MHz higher in multiple benchmarks each of Unigine Heaven, Unigine Valley, Fire Strike, Sleeping Dogs)
Core clock from 1305 MHz to 1420 MHz
Mem clock from 1750 MHz to 2250 MHz
Stock voltage settings of 1.162V core and 0.975V memory
Power limit increase to +15%
73 C peak temperature, typically 40% max fan speed at peak temperature
(*Note: Someone on the Overclock.net forum contested the validity of the memory OC and wants me to do memory error testing; no errors found in EVGA OC Scanner X v3 but I'm not sure how conclusive that is and am having trouble finding other utilities to test for memory errors)
Sometimes the fan will creep past 40% at peak, but generally it stays low and is quiet. I couldn't get the card to not crash at 1.550V and therefore probably won't even try to run it below default. 1.162V seems like such an arbitrary number, and I believe that MSI knew what they were doing and found this to be the lowest voltage that the card could be OCed heavily at. The power draw ranges from 150-190W, 200-205W at HEAVY load, but still the card remains cool. I'll have to put it into practical use by playing games and determining long term stability from there, but it's cleared all tests at 1425 MHz (dialed it back to 1420 MHz after testing) - Heaven, Valley, Fire Strike, Sleeping Dogs benchmark tests multiple times. I might get gully and try Furmark later to see what happens.
From everything I've looked at over the last few days I feel like this is a pretty good overclock and I couldn't be happier. In contrast, this is what I was coming from with the ASUS RX 480 Dual OC 4GB:
-Only ran 1150 MHz at 1.15V out the box despite being set to 1300 MHz; card was throttling itself to 100W peak power draw.
-Raising power limit to +35% held the card at 1300 MHz at 1.15V, BUT the card quickly reached throttling temp of 90 C. Power draw peaked at 135W.
-Card held stable 1300 MHz with a downvolt to 1.10V and +35% power limit, but this left no headroom for overclocking.
-Card got up to 1315 MHz stable at 1.12V, BUT to stay under 75 C I had to run the fan 80% at that point.
I most likely got a lemon and have a hard time believing all the ASUS RX 480 Duals run that poorly. Reviews were generally favorable, so I'll chalk it up to bad luck. After having dealt with that card I still cannot believe the gains I have achieved with the MSI. I'm still in awe at this thing.
Out of the box the MSI ran stable at stock 1305 MHz, 1750 MHz memory, at 1.162V and 0.975V respectively. Peak temp is 72 C with the fan only reaching 30-35%; with custom fan settings I can get the peak temp closer to 65 C at 55-65% fan at that point, but I'll take a few degrees of heat for less work on the fan.
Stable overclocks (passed at 5 MHz higher in multiple benchmarks each of Unigine Heaven, Unigine Valley, Fire Strike, Sleeping Dogs)
Core clock from 1305 MHz to 1420 MHz
Mem clock from 1750 MHz to 2250 MHz
Stock voltage settings of 1.162V core and 0.975V memory
Power limit increase to +15%
73 C peak temperature, typically 40% max fan speed at peak temperature
(*Note: Someone on the Overclock.net forum contested the validity of the memory OC and wants me to do memory error testing; no errors found in EVGA OC Scanner X v3 but I'm not sure how conclusive that is and am having trouble finding other utilities to test for memory errors)
Sometimes the fan will creep past 40% at peak, but generally it stays low and is quiet. I couldn't get the card to not crash at 1.550V and therefore probably won't even try to run it below default. 1.162V seems like such an arbitrary number, and I believe that MSI knew what they were doing and found this to be the lowest voltage that the card could be OCed heavily at. The power draw ranges from 150-190W, 200-205W at HEAVY load, but still the card remains cool. I'll have to put it into practical use by playing games and determining long term stability from there, but it's cleared all tests at 1425 MHz (dialed it back to 1420 MHz after testing) - Heaven, Valley, Fire Strike, Sleeping Dogs benchmark tests multiple times. I might get gully and try Furmark later to see what happens.
From everything I've looked at over the last few days I feel like this is a pretty good overclock and I couldn't be happier. In contrast, this is what I was coming from with the ASUS RX 480 Dual OC 4GB:
-Only ran 1150 MHz at 1.15V out the box despite being set to 1300 MHz; card was throttling itself to 100W peak power draw.
-Raising power limit to +35% held the card at 1300 MHz at 1.15V, BUT the card quickly reached throttling temp of 90 C. Power draw peaked at 135W.
-Card held stable 1300 MHz with a downvolt to 1.10V and +35% power limit, but this left no headroom for overclocking.
-Card got up to 1315 MHz stable at 1.12V, BUT to stay under 75 C I had to run the fan 80% at that point.
I most likely got a lemon and have a hard time believing all the ASUS RX 480 Duals run that poorly. Reviews were generally favorable, so I'll chalk it up to bad luck. After having dealt with that card I still cannot believe the gains I have achieved with the MSI. I'm still in awe at this thing.
All depends on when this dude wants to buy everything. I'm interested in Ryzen but I'm still super skeptical about it really giving intel a run for its money
Hey guys,
I am looking for a new desktop that will do mostly everything including gaming. I found what I *think* is a really good deal. I just need some input before I officially commit to it.
Keep in mind I'm Canadian. This is the exact PC I am looking at
http://www.dell.com/ca/p/xps-8910-se...910-se-desktop
with all the discounts, coupons, negotiating and haggling I was able to get this final price
1492.00 CANADIAN out the door, tax in.
that is roughly 1142 USD tax in shipped.
I want performance, but more importantly is the best bang for my buck and a deal. I know its a pre built, I know putting a PC together would get me better customization on parts. I don't want to really deal with the stress and OCD of deciding on a dozen pieces, let alone on a PC. I feel this is a REALLY good deal but of course, need some input since it is a big one.
How future proof is it?
how is it for gaming?
performance?
price?
Thanks guys so much.
I am looking for a new desktop that will do mostly everything including gaming. I found what I *think* is a really good deal. I just need some input before I officially commit to it.
Keep in mind I'm Canadian. This is the exact PC I am looking at
http://www.dell.com/ca/p/xps-8910-se...910-se-desktop
with all the discounts, coupons, negotiating and haggling I was able to get this final price
1492.00 CANADIAN out the door, tax in.
that is roughly 1142 USD tax in shipped.
I want performance, but more importantly is the best bang for my buck and a deal. I know its a pre built, I know putting a PC together would get me better customization on parts. I don't want to really deal with the stress and OCD of deciding on a dozen pieces, let alone on a PC. I feel this is a REALLY good deal but of course, need some input since it is a big one.
How future proof is it?
how is it for gaming?
performance?
price?
Thanks guys so much.
opticalmace
Member
Link doesn't work for me.
JonnyDBrit
Member
It's weird - it auto-closes the window when clicked. Copy and pasting seems to have worked though.
RX480 will have longer legs
Looks great! Quick question: which cooler are you using? I'm hoping to put together a new black / white build, and that CPU cooler looks perfect. Thanks!
JonnyDBrit
Member
Thanks. Was leaning that way to begin with, this clinched it.
To clarify a bit further, while the GTX 1060 does take the lead in many if not most Direct X 11 applications, the RX 480 performs generally better when DX12 and Vulkan are used. Thus the expectation is that as more applications are built with those in mind, the RX 480 will age better in comparison to the GTX 1060/
Posted in the other thread but rather discuss here
It's a lot of money and I wouldn't be taking their sacrifices for my money.
Just build it yourself it's very easy, we can spec it for you.
i7 6700 is superseded by the 7700.
GTX 1070 - great but I bet it's the blower design cooler which is loud.
Single RAM module at only 2133mhz. A lot of performance loss compared to 3000mhz dual channel for just a tiny bit of savings.
Unknown PSU
No overclock ability
So much shooting yourself in the foot.
This is more expensive but much more ideal.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($453.98 @ DirectCanada)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($35.84 @ Vuugo)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME Z270M-PLUS Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($185.18 @ shopRBC)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($139.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Storage: Crucial MX300 275GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($105.00 @ Amazon Canada)
Storage: Toshiba 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Windforce OC Video Card ($514.98 @ DirectCanada)
Case: Fractal Design Define Mini C with Window MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($102.99 @ PC Canada)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Total: $1697.94
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-16 19:27 EST-0500
Edit: Didn't mean to choose the Corsair CXM PSU.
Yappadappadu
Member
Any idea what what went wrong here?
Finally built my new Kaby Lake rig on tuesday. Two of my old HDDs died.
CPU: Intel 7700K
CPU: cooler: Noctua NH-D15
MB: MSI Z270 Gaming Pro Carbon
RAM: 16GB Corsair Vengeance
Power supply: 500W be quiet! Straight Power 10-CM
Decided to keep my old Crucial SSD and 3 Samsung HDDs (2 TB, 1 TB and 640 GB). At least for the first few weeks.
Well not long and I noticed that the partitions of my 1 TB HDD (7 years old) were gone. And they never came back. The HDD wouldn't boot up anymore, only a very short noise when turning on the computer. So I figured that this was my first HDD death. I had also heard some clicking noise and thought that it was coming from this HDD, but turns out that I was wrong. It actually came from my 640 GB HDD (almost 8 years old) since I still heard it after I had already pulled out the first one.
So after realizing this I quickly turned off my computer again and also pulled out the 2nd HDD.
Went to my brothers place and looks like he managed to revive the first dead HDD, but it's in bad shape. Same goes for the clicking one. Remains to be seen how many of the data I'll be able to recover. Well, could have been worse.
I'm a long time Asus mainboard user and Emermax power supply user and this makes me feel bad about my choices for the new hardware (MSI MB and be quiet power supply).
Any idea what could have went wrong? Shouldn't I have used the old SATA cables from my old computer? Any bios settings that could be the cause? Never had seen an UEFI bios before.
tl;dr:
2 of my 3 HDDs died after building a new rig. Only bad luck?
Finally built my new Kaby Lake rig on tuesday. Two of my old HDDs died.
CPU: Intel 7700K
CPU: cooler: Noctua NH-D15
MB: MSI Z270 Gaming Pro Carbon
RAM: 16GB Corsair Vengeance
Power supply: 500W be quiet! Straight Power 10-CM
Decided to keep my old Crucial SSD and 3 Samsung HDDs (2 TB, 1 TB and 640 GB). At least for the first few weeks.
Well not long and I noticed that the partitions of my 1 TB HDD (7 years old) were gone. And they never came back. The HDD wouldn't boot up anymore, only a very short noise when turning on the computer. So I figured that this was my first HDD death. I had also heard some clicking noise and thought that it was coming from this HDD, but turns out that I was wrong. It actually came from my 640 GB HDD (almost 8 years old) since I still heard it after I had already pulled out the first one.
So after realizing this I quickly turned off my computer again and also pulled out the 2nd HDD.
Went to my brothers place and looks like he managed to revive the first dead HDD, but it's in bad shape. Same goes for the clicking one. Remains to be seen how many of the data I'll be able to recover. Well, could have been worse.
I'm a long time Asus mainboard user and Emermax power supply user and this makes me feel bad about my choices for the new hardware (MSI MB and be quiet power supply).
Any idea what could have went wrong? Shouldn't I have used the old SATA cables from my old computer? Any bios settings that could be the cause? Never had seen an UEFI bios before.
tl;dr:
2 of my 3 HDDs died after building a new rig. Only bad luck?
Thanks for the info! I think I'll be getting exactly that one, then.
OriginofHysteria
Banned
Currently have a Dell XPS 8910 but I'm planning on upgrading the case and PSU because it's only 460W, I swear it's having an impact on high performance games.
Not a fan of the mobo dell use so I might pick up a Z270 while I'm at it. How is this MSI board? Seems like a really good deal.
http://www.ebuyer.com/769859-msi-in...a-1151-atx-motherboard-z270-gaming-pro-carbon
Not a fan of the mobo dell use so I might pick up a Z270 while I'm at it. How is this MSI board? Seems like a really good deal.
http://www.ebuyer.com/769859-msi-in...a-1151-atx-motherboard-z270-gaming-pro-carbon
Any idea what what went wrong here?
Finally built my new Kaby Lake rig on tuesday. Two of my old HDDs died.
CPU: Intel 7700K
CPU: cooler: Noctua NH-D15
MB: MSI Z270 Gaming Pro Carbon
RAM: 16GB Corsair Vengeance
Power supply: 500W be quiet! Straight Power 10-CM
Decided to keep my old Crucial SSD and 3 Samsung HDDs (2 TB, 1 TB and 640 GB). At least for the first few weeks.
Well not long and I noticed that the partitions of my 1 TB HDD (7 years old) were gone. And they never came back. The HDD wouldn't boot up anymore, only a very short noise when turning on the computer. So I figured that this was my first HDD death. I had also heard some clicking noise and thought that it was coming from this HDD, but turns out that I was wrong. It actually came from my 640 GB HDD (almost 8 years old) since I still heard it after I had already pulled out the first one.
So after realizing this I quickly turned off my computer again and also pulled out the 2nd HDD.
Went to my brothers place and looks like he managed to revive the first dead HDD, but it's in bad shape. Same goes for the clicking one. Remains to be seen how many of the data I'll be able to recover. Well, could have been worse.
I'm a long time Asus mainboard user and Emermax power supply user and this makes me feel bad about my choices for the new hardware (MSI MB and be quiet power supply).
Any idea what could have went wrong? Shouldn't I have used the old SATA cables from my old computer? Any bios settings that could be the cause? Never had seen an UEFI bios before.
tl;dr:
2 of my 3 HDDs died after building a new rig. Only bad luck?
Just bad luck. They are ridiculously old though at 7/8 years.
It won't have any performance impact unless it's over heating. Use HWmonitor to check temperatures for CPU and GPU.
I'm getting anywhere between 60-110fps on High in Battlefield 1 with a GTX 1080.
Somethings gotta be going wrong right?
I'm getting anywhere between 60-110fps on High in Battlefield 1 with a GTX 1080.
Somethings gotta be going wrong right?
99 variables to talk about there.
Use data to back up findings.
Get the temp data first.
Use MSI Afterburner to log the GPU clock speed to see if it's actually running full speed.
PSU and mobo aren't performance impacting components.
OriginofHysteria
Banned
So Best Buy has some pretty solid deals going with SSDs.
I can get the San Disk Ultra II 480 GB SSD for 107.99
http://http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sandisk-ultra-ii-480gb-internal-sata-solid-state-drive-black/1160024.p?loc=0&ref=8575135&acampID=cfa99976f4b711e68f1e6ac303b07ce40INT&skuId=1160024
or
I can get the Samsung EVO 850 500 GB SSD for $135
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-850-evo-500gb-internal-serial-ata-solid-state-drive-for-laptops-black/1662009.p?skuId=1662009
This is with the visa checkout thing. Is the San Disk the better buy?
I can get the San Disk Ultra II 480 GB SSD for 107.99
http://http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sandisk-ultra-ii-480gb-internal-sata-solid-state-drive-black/1160024.p?loc=0&ref=8575135&acampID=cfa99976f4b711e68f1e6ac303b07ce40INT&skuId=1160024
or
I can get the Samsung EVO 850 500 GB SSD for $135
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-850-evo-500gb-internal-serial-ata-solid-state-drive-for-laptops-black/1662009.p?skuId=1662009
This is with the visa checkout thing. Is the San Disk the better buy?
SmartWaffles
Member
850 EVO is better.
Any idea what what went wrong here?
Finally built my new Kaby Lake rig on tuesday. Two of my old HDDs died.
CPU: Intel 7700K
CPU: cooler: Noctua NH-D15
MB: MSI Z270 Gaming Pro Carbon
RAM: 16GB Corsair Vengeance
Power supply: 500W be quiet! Straight Power 10-CM
Decided to keep my old Crucial SSD and 3 Samsung HDDs (2 TB, 1 TB and 640 GB). At least for the first few weeks.
Well not long and I noticed that the partitions of my 1 TB HDD (7 years old) were gone. And they never came back. The HDD wouldn't boot up anymore, only a very short noise when turning on the computer. So I figured that this was my first HDD death. I had also heard some clicking noise and thought that it was coming from this HDD, but turns out that I was wrong. It actually came from my 640 GB HDD (almost 8 years old) since I still heard it after I had already pulled out the first one.
So after realizing this I quickly turned off my computer again and also pulled out the 2nd HDD.
Went to my brothers place and looks like he managed to revive the first dead HDD, but it's in bad shape. Same goes for the clicking one. Remains to be seen how many of the data I'll be able to recover. Well, could have been worse.
I'm a long time Asus mainboard user and Emermax power supply user and this makes me feel bad about my choices for the new hardware (MSI MB and be quiet power supply).
Any idea what could have went wrong? Shouldn't I have used the old SATA cables from my old computer? Any bios settings that could be the cause? Never had seen an UEFI bios before.
tl;dr:
2 of my 3 HDDs died after building a new rig. Only bad luck?
I killed a HD belonging to my brother in law a few months ago, and we're pretty sure it was due to using a PSU cable that did not belong to the PSU being used. I had two Corsairs that were different years of the same model, and even mixing those cables killed the HD. (I wasn't 100% sure this was the case but I've read of this happening for other people as well)
Anyway I'm guessing you probably didn't do something like that, so I wish I had a better answer for you. Having two HDs die at the same time seems like a strange coincidence, even if they are both relatively old and around the same age. Sorry that that had to happen.
Yappadappadu
Member
Yeah, I was surprised how old they are.
Checked the health of my remaining 2 TB HDD (almost 5 years old) with CrystalDiskInfo and it seems all right.
Of course I have no idea what the tool would have said about my two dead one's when they were still running.
I think I'll go and buy something like a WD Red 4 TB HDD to play aroud with the files I managed to save and then start on a NAS.
I actually thought about reusing some of my old Enermax PSU cables, but the connectors didn't fit in the new PSU.
I DID use the old SATA mainboard cables though.
Now that I think about it, I think my first HDD died after closing the case, rebooting Win 10 and idling for a few mins. I had to press a bit on the PSU cable connected to the HDD since it was in the way of properly closing the case, so maybe that's how I killed this drive and the 2nd one hooked to the same cable (though the 3rd HDD also connected to that cable survived).
OriginofHysteria
Banned
Yeah I have a 250 GB one in my PC now. I was thinking of getting the 500 GB version and putting that in my PC, then moving my 250 GB one to my MacBook Pro.
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