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BTW here's the site championing her cause:

http://www.daghettotymz.com/matrix/matrix.html

How nice they even have her bank account and routing # for you to give donations to help support her legal fees....

From the actual site...

With this being coined "The Case of the Century" so will be the expenses. Sophia's legal fees daily will be in the thousandz and it is tyme for the true believerz in more than just Sophia and her case, but the believerz of truth, justice and equality to assist Sophia with her legal fees.

What.

 

[Axsider]

What a fuc**** bullshit!

 

[borghe]

before you go blasting her credibility based on the site:

*[NOTE] Sophia has no ownership nor involvement in the production of DGT or this section of the website [Mother of the Matrix]. This section is merely here to pay homage and respect to a Master scholar who deserves recognition! RECOGNIZE!

What a fuc**** bullshit!

that anyone could ever believe the Wachowski's had a single ounce of talent? No kidding.. ASSASSINS PEOPLE!! ASSASSINS!!

 

[DarienA]

You Wachowski haters make me laugh. I'm not necessarily a fan... but there is this middle of the road place called an open mind... you should visit it sometime.

 

[levious]

While I love lesbian porn I hate the Wachowski Brothers... but I still think this whole thing is BS. Have we ever gotten a news source besides the Salt LaKe City Community College?

I never could find any court cases involving her as a party. I'll look again today if I have some time.

 

[karasu]

You Wachowski haters make me laugh. I'm not necessarily a fan... but there is this middle of the road place called an open mind... you should visit it sometime.

ha! As if they even compare to the Wachowski apolgists.

 

[levious]

ah, most recent court document from westlaw is granting of defendant's motion to dismiss racketeering claims. That was from Sept 2004. If she won her case, the funniest thing about this would be that they plagerized such a poorly written story/treatment.

 

[borghe]

You Wachowski haters make me laugh. I'm not necessarily a fan... but there is this middle of the road place called an open mind... you should visit it sometime.

what the hell does that have to do with anything? ok, allow me to elaborate because apparently you are reading into something that is not there..

Assassins. Ridiculously cliched and predictable movie fluff... I said this when I first saw it long before they were ever "The Wachowskis".

Bound. Derivative exploitation flick. Tilly and Gershon making out. The suspense stuff wasn't suspenseful and just violence and sex with little to no substance. And this again is without knowing who made it.

Matrix. Holy fucking shit. One of my top 5 sci-fi movies of all time, even AFTER I knew about the losers Wachowski. This movie is just fucking awesome.. After seeing the Matrix for the first time I went to IMDB, saw Assassins and Bound and simply said "Eh, who knew????" This movie IS all that and a bag of chips..

Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions. I will never get those parts of my life back. Mind you that is was hesitant about them, but after the Superbow ad started getting psyched for them.. So when I went in I would say I was more excited than apathetic about them. My fucking god... just awful. Awful as movie following up the matrix. Awful as storytelling. Awful as mythology. Just some of the worst shit I have ever had to stomach through... after the second one I really didn't at all want to see the third one... I finally saw the third one and admit that the battle for zion was awesome and.. ummm.. yeah...

THEN this comes out. This is most certainly true. Follow any of the links on that loser page in this thread and you will see official court documents stating everything here. And now it becomes apparent. Assassins, Bound, Reloaded and Revolutions were all done by the same people. Which is obvious. They all carry similar shortcomings and are all mediocre to just awful. Matrix is the only shining spot in their record and now it is very clear why.

So I ask you what middle of the road is there? Where am I not open minded? In their movies? I have watched all of them and given you my honest opinions even before I knew who they were.. In my belief that they really could have written the Matrix and Sophie is full of shit? I suppose, though I find it difficult to believe that such a masterpiece could come from two minds who besides that one movie haven't even released anything ok or sort of decent. I mean really, what am I being closed minded about? The guys are talentless hacks. If they could actually release on single movie that was even pretty good without someone coming to say they stole it from them I would be a lot more fogiving.. but their only bright spot has someone (and many witnesses) saying that it was ripped off.

 

[Warm Machine]

that anyone could ever believe the Wachowski's had a single ounce of talent? No kidding.. ASSASSINS PEOPLE!! ASSASSINS!!

The script for Assassins is quite differen't from the film and Richard Donner is a very flat director outside of Superman and Lethal Weapon.

I think the Wachowski's Bound is one of the best Noir movies ever made.

 

[Mashing]

Because Will Smith can't seem to not inject a role with his own personal "jiggy"...Keanu's deadpan style fits Neo perfectly. I'd hate to hear a bunch of smartassed quips from Will throughout the movies. "Yo Smith, BYTE this"(points to crotch)..."That Oracle can bake me some cookies anytime uknow'mmm'sayin'"

While that's certainly true for most of his movies, he didn't do anything of the sort in Legend of Bagger Vance.

 

[UltimateMarioMan]

Heres the worst I got from that site was this

Terminator 2 $520Million

The Matrix Reloaded $738Million

Thats just sad that the sucky 2nd Matrix movie made more money then T2...

 

[Warm Machine]

Heres the worst I got from that site was this


Thats just sad that the sucky 2nd Matrix movie made more money then T2...

Adjust for inflation as well as the numbers of theaters playing either movie.

 

[impirius]

Because Will Smith can't seem to not inject a role with his own personal "jiggy"...Keanu's deadpan style fits Neo perfectly. I'd hate to hear a bunch of smartassed quips from Will throughout the movies. "Yo Smith, BYTE this"(points to crotch)..."That Oracle can bake me some cookies anytime uknow'mmm'sayin'"

*cue generic hip-hop beat*
Yeah
Yeah
Uh
It's the M-A-T to the R-I-X...

 

[DarienA]

<snip>

Borghe give me a f'n break.... I have neither the time nor the inclination to point out the various directors/writers/actors over the years who have had shit history's til they hit a particular job, script, etc... then all the sudden they are Hollywood's darlings.

Believe whatever the hell makes you sleep well at night, you'll still make me laugh, and come July one way or the other this dumb shit will be over.

I'm simply tired of every few months this same thread being restarted.. the same scegloblink or whomever they are articles being references, and the same rabid haters jumping on the we hate the Wach bros bandwagon, and now I'm done with this topic til July.

 

[Warm Machine]

The Terminator connection is bullshit. Cameron's fourth draft is available on the net and is dated April 1983. The movie was released on the 26th of October 1984.

Harlan Ellison's complaint against Cameron was pretty well bullshit and this case is utter bullshit.

Stanley Kubrick was a recluse and loved his privacy. So does Terrence Mallick. The Wachowski's want the same treatment and them signing a confidenciality agreement probably has more to do with one of them getting a sex change and the bad publicity that can bring forth as opposed to anything to do with stealing any script.

Regardless, writing a script is one thing, making and releasing an actual movie is a whole other thing. Even if the Matrix was a word for word, idea for idea, copy of a book out there I'd still have to say it was a great movie and they deserved ample credit. Hell, there wouldn't be a video game industry if people weren't allowed to take ideas and expand on or change them.

 

[FoneBone]

Harlan Ellison's complaint against Cameron was pretty well bullshit

Don't know the facts, but he still won his case...

 

[DarienA]

Don't know the facts, but he still won his case...

Yeah because facts and the current court system don't always run hand in hand.

 

[FoneBone]

Yeah because facts and the current court system don't always run hand in hand.

True , I really don't know much about it.

 

[karasu]

Weren't the Wachowski's once threatened with a lawsuit by Marvel?

 

[Templar Wizard]

"Harlan Ellison's complaint against Cameron was pretty well bullshit and this case is utter bullshit"

so i take it you are NOT familiar with Soldier and Demon with a Glass Hand?
im a Cameron fanboi and seriously guy, there is no grey area.

 

[Axsider]

Am I the only one who LOVES Assasins?

 

[borghe]

<snip>

Borghe give me a f'n break.... I have neither the time nor the inclination to point out the various directors/writers/actors over the years who have had shit history's til they hit a particular job, script, etc... then all the sudden they are Hollywood's darlings.

Believe whatever the hell makes you sleep well at night, you'll still make me laugh, and come July one way or the other this dumb shit will be over.

I'm simply tired of every few months this same thread being restarted.. the same scegloblink or whomever they are articles being references, and the same rabid haters jumping on the we hate the Wach bros bandwagon, and now I'm done with this topic til July.

really.. so you know other big name hollywood types that put out crap movies and had one hit that they claimed to be their own and went on publicity runs talking about how they had been sitting on this idea for years only to find out it was directly plagarized? Hell, don't even search.. just one name is good enough....

they are hacks and the only good freaking thing they have ever done looks like they didn't even do it...

Wachowski's = the Milli Vanilli's of the movie world.

 

[mr.beers]

While that's certainly true for most of his movies, he didn't do anything of the sort in Legend of Bagger Vance.

or enemy of the state

 

[borghe]

Regardless, writing a script is one thing, making and releasing an actual movie is a whole other thing. Even if the Matrix was a word for word, idea for idea, copy of a book out there I'd still have to say it was a great movie and they deserved ample credit. Hell, there wouldn't be a video game industry if people weren't allowed to take ideas and expand on or change them.

There is only one problem with what you are saying (which I agree with by the way). The only thing amazing about the matrix WAS the concept and story.. the acting was ok to awful, the great action scenes were ALL Woo-ping (to the point of many being ripped from his other movies), and most of the cinematography was stolen BLATANTLY from Hong Kong cinema. I mean the movie was fucking cookie cutter except for the interesting setup.

So yes, writing a manuscript and making a movie are certainly two completely different things. However, if you take out the story from The Matrix all that would be left is a generic Hong Kong action movie with average actors... it was the story that gave the movie its soul and exactly where that story came from that is in question.

and for the record I don't hate the wachowski's simply because they did not create the story... that would just be stupid.. I hate them because they took complete credit for it, said that they came up with the idea and that they came up with it years ago, and just talked on and on and on and on about how personal the making of this movie was....

and then we find out that it is really a treatment they received over a decade ago...

Milli Vanilli's of the movie industry.... though actually milli vanilli had producers and agents and whatnot forcing them to be phonies. The wachowski's chose to do it all on their own...

but I'm not going to argue with the apologists anymore.. it is pointless. I would just like to point out the very interesting coincidence of their next movie being based on an existing story from decades ago also... unfortunately as we have all learned, it is still possible to screw up an alan moore story when adapting it to a movie :\

 

[Warm Machine]

"Harlan Ellison's complaint against Cameron was pretty well bullshit and this case is utter bullshit"

so i take it you are NOT familiar with Soldier and Demon with a Glass Hand?
im a Cameron fanboi and seriously guy, there is no grey area.

This guy sums it up better than I could...

http://www.pulpanddagger.com/pulpmag/editorial37.html

 

[Shinobi]

Am I the only one who LOVES Assasins?

:lol I liked it myself...but that's probably because I was seduced by Julianne Moore. :lol

 

[soundwave05]

Terminator 2 came out in 1991 while Matrix Reloaded came out in 2003.

If you take inflation into account T2's gross would probably be more like $700+ million.

 

[jett]

What can I say besides that the dialogue in all three Matrix films is equally shitty. The idea behind the first Matrix is not *that* UBERORIGINAL that only one guy could have ever come up with it. Look at Dark City.

And you can think whatever you want Borghe, but Bounds is well liked by the critics and the audience http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/bound/ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0115736/

 

[Blackace]

Not for nothing, but Will Smith was originally offered the part of Neo in The Matrix, and he turned it down(thank GOD!).

thank whose God?

I like the name of the source website Playahater.com fits this situation too well

 

[DarienA]

and most of the cinematography was stolen BLATANTLY from Hong Kong cinema.

Considering the fight choreography was done by Woo-ping Yuen and Dion Lam... or are you speaking about the camera work during NON actions sequences?

 

[Blackace]

Considering the fight choreography was done by Woo-ping Yuen and Dion Lam... or are you speaking about the camera work during NON actions sequences?

I like how he sneaks in the Fist of Legend fight scene in the first movie for the "western" folks who missed it the first time.

 

[OmniGamer]

thank whose God?

I like the name of the source website Playahater.com fits this situation too well

God of Sane people that's who...besides, he was overexposed at that time anyway...and hopefully Wild Wild West humbled him. And don't attempt to label me as a playahater...I can watch re-runs of Fresh Prince daily with no problems. I can like people without blindly kissing their ass for everything they do.

 

[DarienA]

I like how he sneaks in the Fist of Legend fight scene in the first movie for the "western" folks who missed it the first time.

Which fight sequence are you referencing? I'm going through my mind right now and I'm not making the connection...

 

[Blackace]

God of Sane people that's who...besides, he was overexposed at that time anyway...and hopefully Wild Wild West humbled him. And don't attempt to label me as a playahater...I can watch re-runs of Fresh Prince daily with no problems. I can like people without blindly kissing their ass for everything they do.

I will label you as a playerhater... plain and simple. The reason being is Reeves can't act, never could and never will be able to. Anyone would have been better than him for that role. Give me Jim Carrey... anyone but the monotone witless f*ck that should have stopped making movies after Bill and Ted's...

 

[Blackace]

Which fight sequence are you referencing? I'm going through my mind right now and I'm not making the connection...

The fight with Neo and Morphius is a cut and paste version of the fight in Fist of legend between Jet Li and his childhood friend when they wanted to kick the Japanese girl out of the school after she gave up here honor to say him...

 

[OmniGamer]

I will label you as a playerhater... plain and simple. The reason being is Reeves can't act, never could and never will be able to. Anyone would have been better than him for that role. Give me Jim Carrey... anyone but the monotone witless f*ck that should have stopped making movies after Bill and Ted's...

So who the hell said anything about his acting chops? I said he fit the role of Neo better than Will would have IMO. If anyone here is hating, it's you. Take it up with him, not me.

 

[DarienA]

The fight with Neo and Morphius is a cut and paste version of the fight in Fist of legend between Jet Li and his childhood friend when they wanted to kick the Japanese girl out of the school after she gave up here honor to say him...

I don't see it... and I've watched both countless times... while there may be a similarity in camerawork the actual content of the fights varies. If I get some time in the next few days I'll try to sit down and document both fights.

You are talking about the fight that Ting An has with Chen Zhen after he tells him look only one of us can run this school and I'm of our students trying to imitate you?

 

[karasu]

That fight borrows a little from various Wo Ping projects, most notably FOL. Wo Ping & the team sucks sometimes, but The Matrix is the only movie where they actually rehashed a good measure of their work.

 

[DarienA]

That fight borrows a little from various Wo Ping projects, most notably FOL. Wo Ping & the team sucks sometimes, but The Matrix is the only movie where they actually rehashed a good measure of their work.

Ok that's true... but that's different from saying the fight is a cut and paste... because it's not... quite honestly Jet Li and company are able to do much more variation in their punches and kicks than Fishburne/Reeves.

 

[Warm Machine]

I will label you as a playerhater... plain and simple. The reason being is Reeves can't act, never could and never will be able to. Anyone would have been better than him for that role. Give me Jim Carrey... anyone but the monotone witless f*ck that should have stopped making movies after Bill and Ted's...

Ever seen The Gift?

 

[FoneBone]

Oh, come on. Reeves even got the chance to do Shakespeare, and he still sucked.

 

[Blackace]

Ok that's true... but that's different from saying the fight is a cut and paste... because it's not... quite honestly Jet Li and company are able to do much more variation in their punches and kicks than Fishburne/Reeves.

Well I know that Jet Li can do more. No where did I say that Reeves could do what he does. But I thought it was pretty cool, being a huge Jet Li fan; seeing the same fight in essence.