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IGN:Peter Moore Talks Two SKUs

JC is basing everything on this...

Dude, it was not a launch game. I'm positive. I remember standing in line on 9.9.95 at 6:00am at EB, being the first in line, and hearing that it had been pushed back a couple of weeks.

He HEARD it had been pushed back. That does not necessarily mean that it was delayed, though. The shipment could have been late or may not have shown up at that store. The game was a launch title, though. Of that there is no question.
 
JC10001 said:
No, but you're wrong. Ridge Racer was not available at launch. It didn't come out until the end of September that year.


nope.

Ridge Racer launched with Playstation in Japan, December 3, 1994

and Ridge Racer launched again with Playstation in the United States, September 9, 1995
 
AtomicShroom said:
Okay so let me get this straight... Who in their right mind would buy the $300 Xbox 360?

Just to play games, you would need:

Xbox 360 core system - $300
Memory card - $40
Total: $340

Why would anyone settle for such a setup at $340 when for a mere additionnal $60, you can get: A 20gb harddrive instead of a puny 64mb memory card, a headset, a remote, HD cables, and a wireless controller??

It doesn't make sense.

The plan is obvious. Short-change the market on the $400 bundle. There will be pleny of people who buy the solo and then upgrade, filling MS with money! Sweet glorious money!
 
Kobun Heat said:
Mr. Moore: You once worked for a company called "Sega," which at the height of its idiocy produced not one but TWO market-segmenting add-ons for its hardware system, thus splitting their userbase up into a whopping FOUR groups:

1) Genesis owners
2) Genesis owners with Sega CD
3) Genesis owners with 32X
4) Genesis owners with Sega CD and 32X

This turned out to be what the French call 'batshit fucking insane'. How is it that Microsoft just did the same thing? Would you say it is stupidity? Ignorance? Greed? Focus groups? Or just sort of a general mishmash of the four?


LMAO!!! :lol
 
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:lol :lol :lol
 
MS wants 2 SKUs so they can do bait-n-switch advertising/marketing. They can say "Get the next generation Xbox 360 for as low as $299" in commercials to lure ppl into stores and then run them a sales pitch to get them to do an impulse buy of the "amazing $399" bundle instead. This is actually pretty insulting.
 
You Yankees might think you're getting the screw but us Euros are definitely getting a much much much fairer deal than usual.


ÂŁ209 base price? Match that Sony (please!)
 
empanada said:
MS wants 2 SKUs so they can do bait-n-switch advertising/marketing. They can say "Get the next generation Xbox 360 for as low as $299" in commercials to lure ppl into stores and then run them a sales pitch to get them to do an impulse buy of the "amazing $399" bundle instead. This is actually pretty insulting.


Then people can realize that they can get the PS3 with more stuff.
 
empanada said:
MS wants 2 SKUs so they can do bait-n-switch advertising/marketing. They can say "Get the next generation Xbox 360 for as low as $299" in commercials to lure ppl into stores and then run them a sales pitch to get them to do an impulse buy of the "amazing $399" bundle instead. This is actually pretty insulting.
McDonald's and the Apple Pie, who has bought just one for 79cents vs 2 for a buck?!?! amirite?!?!?! By the way, i LOVE empanadas!! :D

DCX
 
Pimpwerx said:
:lol

You gotta at least google the shit first before betting the ban. PEACE.

Just when you think you`ve seen it all on this forum, someone comes along and raises the bar a little higher. Who in their right mind would have a bet on banning themself and not even research the answer first :lol
 
I said this in the other thread but anyway I think it's really gay of MS to make $400 the de facto price of an Xbox 360, but if this news really ruins your day (like Zelda being delayed did for many people) then dude you really need to get out more. Seriously.
 
Kaijima said:
Come to think of it...

... maybe this is what the Revolution's revolutionary feature will be.


It'll be a hell of a lot cheaper!
Yeah. More and more I wonder if it actually might launch at half of what the competition does. If one uses the $399 X360 as the basis for comparison, there's a chance... of course, by then perhaps the bare-bones 360 might be down to a comparable price.
 
OmniGamer said:
Funny thing is, capacity aside, it would have made more sense for Square-Enix to release FFXI for the first XBOX which had the HDD standard!
Square Enix wanted to release it on the original XBox, but Microsoft wouldn't allow it.
 
Kobun Heat said:
Mr. Moore: You once worked for a company called "Sega," which at the height of its idiocy produced not one but TWO market-segmenting add-ons for its hardware system, thus splitting their userbase up into a whopping FOUR groups:

1) Genesis owners
2) Genesis owners with Sega CD
3) Genesis owners with 32X
4) Genesis owners with Sega CD and 32X

This turned out to be what the French call 'batshit fucking insane'. How is it that Microsoft just did the same thing? Would you say it is stupidity? Ignorance? Greed? Focus groups? Or just sort of a general mishmash of the four?

Some things never change....
 
Anyone willing to pay $500 for just a console is insane. I don't care if Sony invents the most widely used movie format in the history of mankind.
 
Hey, I'm kinda sorry for the guy, but he served me, and it was on.

To back away after a balls-out challenge like that is just not an option.
 
Speevy said:
Anyone willing to pay $500 for just a console is insane. I don't care if Sony invents the most widely used movie format in the history of mankind.
Are you suggesting that the PS3 will retail for $500? You are insane if you think that is so.

:lol
 
Anyone going backwards after this generation is over? For the games on the systems, its just not worth it anymore. I might start up a kick ass Saturn collection.
 
Not at all. I think 400 bucks is ridiculous, but that's me. I'm responding to the "Sony can charge whatever the company wants. It's a 10 year generation, Blu-Ray player!" people earlier in the thread.
 
Speevy said:
Not at all. I think 400 bucks is ridiculous, but that's me. I'm responding to the "Sony can charge whatever the company wants. It's a 10 year generation, Blu-Ray player!" people earlier in the thread.
Oh. My bad then. Sorry I misunderstood.
 
Well, didn't Carmack say we are entering the 'golden age' of gaming? It sure sounds like it's true, except not in the way he was referring.
 
Laguna X said:
Are you suggesting that the PS3 will retail for $500? You are insane if you think that is so.

:lol

Sad thing is, Sony could in fact put dog shit in a box, call it the PS3, sell it for $500 and it would completely sell out.
 
mj1108 said:
Sad thing is, Sony could in fact put dog shit in a box, call it the PS3, sell it for $500 and it would completely sell out.
This explains why the PSX sold so well.
 
beermonkey@tehbias said:
Bzzt. Wrong answer, but thanks for playing. We have some lovely parting gifts for you.
:lol :lol :lol
 
kaching said:
So many threads about this, guess I'll throw my opinion in the shortest one.

I don't have a problem with the two SKUs, nor their pricing. I couldn't find or assemble a similarly capable gaming hardware package for any less in the same timeframe as the X360 will arrive. The pricing on some of the standalone accessories is a little naff but getting the 399 SKU deals with that issue and there's presumably the possibility of cheaper 3rd party versions of these peripherals.

The kind of subsidies that hardware manufacturers have been willing to front us on the platforms they build to our higher and higher expectations were bound to start disappearing sometime.

In terms of business strategy, it certainly bruises MS's image among current xbox owners since it doesn't at least keep whole everything that Xbox owners have come to expect so far. And while Sony will likely also be raising the entry fee on console gaming with the PS3, MS will be the first to do so and in this regard will suffer from being first mover because they will the first to break the bad news to the marketplace.

In terms of HDD utilization for games, I'm not concerned. Network connectivity wasn't supported out of the box on any console this gen (needed XBL to legitimately activate it on the XB and you needed an NA on the PS2) yet plenty of games have been online enabled. As long as the HDD promises significant benefits for in-game use and can be shown to be owned by at least a modest portion of the marketplace, it will be supported decently.

Wow. A kaching post I can get behind. Spot on.
 
JC10001 said:
Wanna wager a ban over it? If I'm wrong the mods can ban me and if you are wrong they can ban you. Deal?

Poor guy :-(

I learned never to bet my account over sales data again. He should have followed the same line of thinking :lol
 
[vent]

This is just all so stupid.

I can't believe that publishers will be happy about the prospect of $400 consoles on the market when every year they are publicly begging for Sony and Microsoft to drop the prices even further on the existing machines. You know when sales really took off for existing consoles (GameCube aside)? When they moved to $200 at E3 2003. With the precedent Microsoft is trying to set, it's going to take forever to get to that mass market pricing level again. Insane insane insane. I realize that they don't want to take a bath on hardware sales again, but this just sucks.

I want a PS3 and a Xbox 360. But there's absolutely no way I'm paying $400 for each system. There's no way I would pay $300 for more than one of them. Right now, I don't even feel like paying $300 for either of them.

Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.

One console future.

[/vent]

OK, I feel better. See yall sometime down the road in the next generation. Until then, I'll be playing my current crop of games and reading some novels.
 
WordofGod said:
Price doesn't matter with the PS3. Blue Ray HD Movie player justifies any price Sony wants for their new system.

Yes it justifies the 400$ price point. Anything above that is pure madness. And anyone who thinks that Sony is gonna sell PS3 above 400$ is either insane or stupid. And you can quote me on that in the near future.

Deja vu btw: It's the "PSP is gonna cost 300$-400$" debate all over again.
 
DarienA said:
Kaching I like your summary but I think you are really glossing over the HDD usage. We've seen what a splintered HDD userbase does... in terms of generating support for the HD from developers.
I don't think that's accurate, Darien. Sony's support of the PS2 hdd was abortive practically from the start. They didn't put enough serious effort into supporting it worldwide like they did the Network Adapter or even Eyetoy. So what we've seen is not what happens when you splinter a userbase, but what happens when the platform manufacturer doesn't get in the driver's seat for the peripherals they put out - no one else is going to do it for them.

Why should we assume it'll be any different next gen? Especially when MS has been telling it's developer base to code as if the HDD is NOT there(This forum is not the first place I've heard that from BTW). And the benefits for the HD as I've been told countless times in this very forum go above just online usage... caching, saving, etc...
Well, if we can take Sony at face value that they will at least support an hdd from the beginning with the PS3, if not necessarily pack it in, that's a big improvement over this gen to have two major console manufacturers supporting the use of hdds. It will make it more palatable for multiplatform devs to go to the effort of including hdd support since they'd essentially have to write the support the exact same way for the X360 and PS3 (i.e. don't automatically cache to the hdd, but offer an "Enable caching" option in the Options menu of the game). Plus, even without factoring in the HDD on either platform, both platforms will be supporting other forms of higher capacity storage that this gen didn't - USB drives, flash media, etc. - which will also contribute to making the general climate even more favorable next gen for the kind of things that were done with the Xbox hdd this gen.

MightyHedgehog said:
Wow. A kaching post I can get behind. Spot on.
Nothing's change on my side. It's just that a lot of hardcore MS/Xbox fans were delivered such a shock to the system today that many are now more willing to listen to reason ;)
 
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