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IGN: PS3 a disappointment, Xenon pushing UE3 engine to its limits

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I saw a thread about this on OA - it's from IGN's PS2 Mail section.

Do I think PS3 will have the most amazing graphics? Honestly? Not a chance. Just knowing that NVIDIA is supplying Sony with a stock GeForce 6 successor sobers me up quite a bit. If you remember, the Xbox was powered by a sort of GeForce 3. It was impressive, but not revolutionary. I see something similar happening with PS3. I basically hear Cell Processor and think Emotion Engine. Right now PS3 is just a mysterious entity powered by a bunch of dumb as all ass buzzwords that probably won't amount to anything at all. Though, I do sincerely hope to be proven wrong.

Also, ATI has shipped some incredibly impressive graphics cards. From what I understand, the power behind Xbox Next's visuals is said to be leaps ahead of current or even next-generation PC hardware (which means hardware that will release in six months and 12 months, respectively). It's such a robust piece of technology that I've heard Epic's astonishing Unreal 3.0 engine runs maxed out on it without a hitch, and after virtually no work put into the port. Now that's impressive. For those that don't know, the Unreal 3.0 tech features the equivalent of richly detailed Todd McFarlane toys that happen to be capable of moving realistically. It's total insanity. Conversely, I've heard nothing but, "Man is that beast going to be tough and expensive to develop for," from potential PS3 devs.

Still, cross-platform titles are the wave of the future. So, even if one console ekes out the other, most game's will probably be indistinguishable from one another.

Because you mentioned it, Sony did not actually pioneer analog pads. The PSOne controller featured a digital pad, four face buttons, and four shoulders. There were no analog sticks. It wasn't until Nintendo released its N64, which came bundled with an analog capable controller, that Sony rethought its input device strategy and came up with the dual analog configuration we now use. Their design is obviously better (and is now the bar by which all other controllers must live up to), but it was not some brilliant idea they pulled from out of nowhere. It was a brilliant idea they pulled from out of Miyamoto
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Link - IGN
 
Ivan is an idiot, he is the same guy who ran the idiotic Halo 2 feature on IGN PS2. I think he should be writing for IGN XBOX or something.
 
"It wasn't until Nintendo released its N64, which came bundled with an analog capable controller, that Sony rethought its input device strategy and came up with the dual analog configuration we now use. Their design is obviously better (and is now the bar by which all other controllers must live up to)"

That's crap. It's not obviously better. Yeah, 90% of gamers probably agree, but I don't. :D The PS2 controller better not be the bar to which all other controllers must live by, or I'll be pissed next generation. :lol Sony should have gotten much more flak for pretty much repackaging their first-generation controller with a few not-really-useful addons (analog buttons.. I know I use those quite a bit.. :P)..
 
Well just like every time consoles are released izzy Journo's/developers and fanboys come out on one side or another dependent on who putting the butter on their bread. I have said this quite a few time and so have quite a few Dev,'s who know what the PU set wil be on both machines that graphically both machines will be nigh on identical. Yep anal graphic heads maybe will say thats better or that worst but to all intents and purposes they will be the same. Which means that the Unreal engine will run on PS3 without it sweating. By the the way the rumours over on Beyond 3d suggest that the PS3 will be a one CELL 8 APU unit.
 
Jesus fuck, what's with all of these IGN guys wailing on their channel's company/hardware?

Is this to suggest they're "keeping it real"? :-\
 
captmcblack said:
Jesus fuck, what's with all of these IGN guys wailing on their channel's company/hardware?

Is this to suggest they're "keeping it real"? :-\
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PS2 IGN section usually don't do this though.
 
ZOMG SONY R DEAD! BOXNEXT WILL RULL ALL!

Funny that people with an "official" platform to state their opinions magically turn into experts all the time (and no i'm not just singling out IGN, all gaming mags and sites do the same stuff heh). Wish these guys would forecast more useful stuff like the next winning powerball numbers when the jackpot is up to like 500 million.
 
From what I understand, the power behind Xbox Next's visuals is said to be leaps ahead of current or even next-generation PC hardware (which means hardware that will release in six months and 12 months, respectively). It's such a robust piece of technology that I've heard Epic's astonishing Unreal 3.0 engine runs maxed out on it without a hitch, and after virtually no work put into the port
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^ Impressive if true.
 
If that is true then that means we should see at least one bioware game with a steady framerate on xenon


SHOCK!
 
Conversely, I've heard nothing but, "Man is that beast going to be tough and expensive to develop for," from potential PS3 devs.

Sony Own3nd!
 
The PS3 GPU will be a customized version of Nvidia's next gen PC GPU. So yeah it’s going to be the Geforce 6. What we don't know is how much its going to be customized by, some say it just making sure it can integrate with Cell and nothing else other reckon its going to have loads of customized features. Best guess is that it will be in the middle somewhere, but ultimately yep its going to be similar the Geforce.
 
Spider_Jerusalem said:
Haven't Nvidia already told that PS3 GPU won't simply be a "GeForce 6 successor" but someting totally new?
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Even if it's just a "geForce 7+" part, it should match up well against a r500-series ATI part.

edit: Next-gen would be GeForce 7, not 6.
 
Pug said:
The PS3 GPU will be a custimised version of its next gen PC GPU. So yeah its going to be the Geforce 6. What we don't know is how much its going to be custimised by, some say it just making sure it can intergrate with Cell and nothing else other reckon its going to have loads of custimised features. Best guess is that it will be in the middle somewhere, but ultimately yep its going to be simialr the the Geforce.
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It has to be customized if they want backwards compatibility.

BTW are the Geforce cards really that bad? I have a bad experience with Nvidia (Geforce 4 MMX) buts thats about it.
 
The End said:
Even if it's just a "geForce 7+" part, it should match up well against a r500-series ATI part.

edit: Next-gen would be GeForce 7, not 6.
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Haven't you seen the news? Its a customized 6.


Oh and Xenon = overrated too. Viva la revolucion!
 
"Just knowing that NVIDIA is supplying Sony with a stock GeForce 6 successor sobers me up quite a bit."

Source? NVIDIA has never stated this anywhere.
 
Doom_Bringer said:
It has to be customized if they want backwards compatibility.

BTW are the Geforce cards really that bad? I have a bad experience with Nvidia (Geforce 4 MMX) buts thats about it.
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Gerforce FX 5900 is the worst in the series. Hands down. That said, I really enjoy my GF 6800 GT.
 
Is this based on anything but statements pulled from his ass?

Also, the comparison of PS3 to Xbox was a poor one; the Xbox, with its "stock GeForce 3", is easily the most powerful console around.
 
I bet the ATI GPU and the Nvida GPU in PS3 will be very simialr in terms of specs. Nivida did have a rough patch but they are now producing some good stuff, certaintly not revolutionary but good none the less. Oh by the way, its Nividia next gen GPU not one that already on the market, so I'd think it will be the 7000 notation. Sorry for the confusion there.
 
Biglesworth23 said:
I'd be super-impressed if the XboxNext could handle that Unreal 3.0 Engine at max detail and such. That would be quite incredible.
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I'd be disappointed if it couldn't go well beyond that, actually...

New consoles typically jump WAY ahead of what is up and coming on the PC and I would be disappointed if that were not the case here...
 
Doom_Bringer said:
I like ATI, 9800 Pro was really worth it! :D
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I have been a nvidia fanboy ever since 3Dfx died. first NV card I owned was Tnt 2 ultra. Then I jumped to Geforce 2, Geforce 3, Gf 4600ti, and finally Gf 6800 gt.
 
"Right now PS3 is just a mysterious entity powered by a bunch of dumb as all ass buzzwords that probably won't amount to anything at all."

The state of videogame journalism in a single sentence.
 
Unreal3engine-berserker.jpg
 
SantaCruZer said:
I have been a nvidia fanboy ever since 3Dfx died. first NV card I owned was Tnt 2 ultra. Then I jumped to Geforce 2, Geforce 3, Gf 4600ti, and finally Gf 6800 gt.
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nice, I am on the ATI side! If I had to upgrade my graphics card I would probably go with X800. Geforce MMX 4 or whatever was the only Nvidia card I owned and I was very disappointed with it; $110 Canadian down the drain :(
 
Doom_Bringer said:
nice, I am on the ATI side! If I had to upgrade my graphics card I would probably go with X800. Geforce MMX 4 or whatever was the only Nvidia card I owned and I was very disappointed with it; $110 Canadian down the drain :(
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Geforce 4mx was a budget card, and even the original geforce 2 was faster than it.
 
any possibility the PS3 could be using SLI tech? If not a GF 6 series isnt gonna hold up well to a 2 generation from now ATI card. Do we know its a GF 6 for sure?
 
alejob said:
Haven't you seen the news? Its a customized 6.


Oh and Xenon = overrated too. Viva la revolucion!
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Everything I've seen so far is somewhere between "totally new" and "customized GF7". No one is talking about shoehorning a 6 series part into the PS3.

If rumors are true, the PS3 will be using the Cell to do the geometry (T&L) calculations for the GPU, so it would have to be fairly original to take advantage of that.
 
SantaCruZer said:
Geforce 4mx was a budget card, and even the original geforce 2 was faster than it.
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ok, I didn't do my review before buying the card off a friend (it didn't run on his computer:p)

I saw Spinter Cell running on it and was instantly impressed (much better than Intel EXXXTREME GRAPHICS CARD) and bought it.

The card is pure shit though, can't handle any games.

yuck
 
alejob said:
Haven't you seen the news? Its a customized 6.
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It is?

David Roman said:
This is the next generation GPU, so after the GeForce 6 series this is going to be the next generation. So, this will be everything we have in GeForce 6 + whatever else we bring out.
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http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/editorial/display/ces2005_2.html

I'll grant that the comment is somewhat open to interpretation but if that's the case then nobody should really be rushing to make a judgment.
 
The End said:
Everything I've seen so far is somewhere between "totally new" and "customized GF7". No one is talking about shoehorning a 6 series part into the PS3.

If rumors are true, the PS3 will be using the Cell to do the geometry (T&L) calculations for the GPU, so it would have to be fairly original to take advantage of that.
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Ok, you're right and I'm wrong. I misread some stuff.
 
Doom_Bringer said:
ok, I didn't do my review before buying the card off a friend (it didn't run on his computer:p)

I saw Spinter Cell running on it and was instantly impressed (much better than Intel EXXXTREME GRAPHICS CARD) and bought it.

The card is pure shit though, can't handle any games.

yuck
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Hehe, I know people who has been fooled by the geforce 4 tag, and thought the mx was at the same level as a regular geforce 4. Tthe mx series even use sdram. yuck. It's a piece of garbage :P
 
SantaCruZer said:
Hehe, I know people who has been fooled by the geforce 4 tag, and thought the mx was at the same level as a regular geforce 4. Tthe mx series even use sdram. yuck. It's a piece of garbage :P
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true, I have heard some badical reviews of it. fucking nvidia :lol
 
Spike said:
Holy moses!! That's Unreal 3.0!! And the Xenon can do this without a hitch?!?!
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Tim Sweeney from Epic has said before they have it running well on Xenon a few months back (of course he didn't say the console, but Xbox 2 is the only one with dev kits out so...), here is the quote:

Which consoles? Sweeney was cagy. "We can't really announce anything right now -- I shouldn't really use the plural yet. We have the engine running really well on the development kit for one next-generation console." Draw your own conclusions, but thanks to the Unreal engine's strong PC heritage, we'd speculate it's Microsoft's Xbox successor.
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http://gamesdomain.yahoo.com/preview/28441

and a OXM rumor from a few months ago said that Epic is making an Xbox 2 launch title. if someone can find the issue # that would be great. plus, i believe it was in the press release where Midway picked up the Unreal franchise that they will be publishing a next-generation console game. It's pretty exciting to see images of what next-gen will look like!
 
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