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[mckmas8808]

Why do yall still take it as a negative?

It's a great game regardless. Enjoy it.

Because it's not a tech demo in any way. That's like calling Super Mario 3D World a glorified tech demo.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Guys...But Play Has No Limits!!!

 

[Clear]

But who care if it is pushing PS5 to limits or not, the fact it’s doing something fun with tech to give fun experience but no only thing GAF cares about is if it’s using ray tracing or hight texture or other nonsense.

And then they go back complaining why games are less interactive.

I agree, but the supposedly "contentious" point of the dev saying they had to optimize really well to achieve their goals is something that he should rightly be proud of.

And seeing people disregarding that on the basis that "x game looks better to them" is so staggeringly ignorant that I'm really having to restrain myself from stating the full extent of my disdain in the harshest possible terms.

It just shows that despite claims of modern software "not being properly optimized" a lot of the audience wouldn't recognize actual optimal code if someone beat them over the head with it!

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Because it's not a tech demo in any way. That's like calling Super Mario 3D World a glorified tech demo.

Then don't consider it a tech-demo.

 

[nemiroff]

It's fine for the developer to talk about it and feel good about what they've done. The weirdness mostly come from using it as a main headline.

 

[vkbest]

It's a rare game with actual enviromental interactivity and Zen 2 in PS5 is not a CPU powerhouse, lol.

Those physics are not calculated in CPU.

 

[Danjin44]

Then don't consider it a tech-demo.

I'm not sure why calling "tech demo" in the first place. the Astro bot that came free with PS5 absolutely was just tech demo but this Astro Bot full fledged game.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

I'm not sure why calling "tech demo" in the first place. the Astro bot that came free with PS5 absolutely was just tech demo but this Astro Bot full fledged game.

Because to me it's a glorified tech-demo.

If people don't agree with that, I don't see the problem.

 

[Danjin44]

Because to me it's a glorified tech-demo.

If people don't agree with that, I don't see the problem.

Whats the logic behind it? it decently sized platformer with lot of cool mechanics....I just dont get it.

 

[FalconPunch]

I'm talking relative performance

jaguar became a meme because high end desktop CPUs was 3x-4x faster than it. and guess what, high end desktop CPUs at the moment have started to become 3x-4x faster than a zen 2 cpu



and that is with 3600 having more cache and higher frequency than consoles (a 3700x wouldn't change this result much)

if something that is 3x faster than a 5800x launches tomorrow, I'd call 5800x a jaguar tier performance CPU too. just saying.

The performance we see on the 3600 is bad but not because of the chip itself but because of horrible programming.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Whats the logic behind it? it decently sized platformer with lot of cool mechanics....I just dont get it.

There's little to get.

What I don't get is why it bothers people so much?
It's just how I see the game. It's not even meant as a negative.

 

[Danjin44]

There's little to get.

What I don't get is why it bothers people so much?
It's just how I see the game. It's not even meant as a negative.

 

[Panajev2001a]

so Astro Bot is the pinnacle technical showcase of PS5 huh

Gameplay matters too… but sure, go and complain next time games chase pretty pixels only and do not innovate anywhere else… why you trolling ?

 

[Killjoy-NL]

I think it's a glorified tech-demo.

 

[Danjin44]

I think it's a glorified tech-demo.

So no logic behind it, you just think its tech demo? Okay I guess.

 

[Trilobit]

Great game.

Shows power of PS5.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

So no logic behind it, you just think its tech demo? Okay I guess.

It's just an expanded version of Astro's Playroom.

But like I said, if people disagree, it's fine. Who cares what I call it?

 

[Spyxos]

I looked nice, but there are other better looking ps5 games.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Oh rly?
Watch a 3D Mario release on the 3TF Switch 2 that is comparable.

 

[kazuyamishima]

Oh rly?
Watch a 3D Mario release on the 3TF Switch 2 that is comparable.

5TF Switch 2.

3TB is for Undocked mode at $399 and with Nintendo getting a lot of profit....................

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

5TF Switch 2.

3TB is for Undocked mode at $399 and with Nintendo getting a lot of profit....................

Would be amazing

 

[PaintTinJr]

The first one is literally starfield. Those kind of blobby water effects came and went because there aint a lot of use to them. Even in astrobot its there mostly for visual fluff, since they could've just done it like portal 2 (and some would argue it looks better that way too)

But all the toilet rolls are just instancing, are they not? They aren't individually unrolling, deforming or animating differently, are they - just different rotations and positions?

Astro bot's simulations aren't just fire the inconsequential fx to the GPU, they are particles that are unique and feedback with impact to the surrounding for the duration of the simulation - as in the sponge Astro bot IIRC.

 

[ArtHands]

Well yeah. It shows. The amount of interactivity with the environment is fantastic. Some of you have forgotten that video games are supposed to be fun and whimsical sometimes.

I guess so. I wouldn’t have guess since I also play on PC. Now I know what is the technical ceiling of PS5 here.

 

[reinking]

I guess so. I wouldn’t have guess since I also play on PC. Now I know what is the technical ceiling of PS5 here.

I also play on PC. I enjoy all platforms for what they offer. PC has its benefits but that doesn't dismiss what consoles offer and what Team Asobi achieved with Astro Bot.

 

[Yoboman]

Just let the game itself do the talking ffs. Nintendo doesn't spout bullshit about optimization or cpu limits when they release a Zelda or Mariokart game. Like anyone gives a toss.

Nintendo wouldn't know how

 

[ArtHands]

I also play on PC. I enjoy all platforms for what they offer. PC has its benefits but that doesn't dismiss what consoles offer and what Team Asobi achieved with Astro Bot.

Ok? I also play on all platforms (and I literally have this game too), which gives me a larger scope of things to see from the technical standpoint, just not from the console-only technical standpoint. But now we have a visual representative of the technical ceiling of what PS5 has to offer, can't say this is what I expected. But if that's impressive to console fans, great for them.

 

[Guilty_AI]

But all the toilet rolls are just instancing, are they not? They aren't individually unrolling, deforming or animating differently, are they - just different rotations and positions?

Astro bot's simulations aren't just fire the inconsequential fx to the GPU, they are particles that are unique and feedback with impact to the surrounding for the duration of the simulation - as in the sponge Astro bot IIRC.

Both starfield and astrobot here are spawing physics objects with proper, full physics simulation - and yes, both are also instancing the same object in the same scene, or a few variations of the same object with astrobot, this does not make much difference.

If what you meant by "instancing" was that Starfield was sharing the same physics calculation for all the toilet papers, its very clearly not.

 

[jroc74]

How many others games, on consoles, pushed physics the way AtroBot did and at locked 60fps?

Thank you.

Drive by hot takes from ppl that clearly didnt play the game....lol.

And if they did....I can safely start dismissing their opinions on games. Astro is a technical achievement when you factor in everything going on in the game. The mouse level alone is a wtf moment. Sound design included.

 

[PendekarRajawali]

Astro Bot is a great game but...

 

[elbourreau]

What a joke of a hype....

 

[Panajev2001a]

Ok? I also play on all platforms (and I literally have this game too), which gives me a larger scope of things to see from the technical standpoint, just not from the console-only technical standpoint. But now we have a visual representative of the technical ceiling of what PS5 has to offer, can't say this is what I expected. But if that's impressive to console fans, great for them.

Equivalent of “some of my best friends are PS5s”… who said this was “visually” the top end of what the console can do? You keep trying to spin this into negative news or find a negative point here. You do you…

 

[Just_one]

This game is as good as any 3d mario platformer to come out in years and is better than mario odyssey.

 

[SidViscous]

Astrobot is fun.

It uses the graphics and cpu power for fun things

Having a 5000 skulls on the floor you can knock around is fun.

Spraying a load of shit with water cannons and watching them topple over is fun.

Having 300 little bots following you around and getting stuck is fun.

Gliding around on ice at a rock solid 60fps is fun.

It’s the antithesis of ray-tracing which costs soo much GPU power yet adds zero to the enjoyment of a game.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

Little Big Planet was fully physics based on PS3.



Nobody talked about it back then.

 

[PaintTinJr]

Both starfield and astrobot here are spawing physics objects with proper, full physics simulation - and yes, both are also instancing the same object in the same scene, or a few variations of the same object with astrobot, this does not make much difference.

I'm pretty sure Astrobot is doing a bit more than that and not just forward rendering on the GPU. Cycling even between two different instances in different frames is significantly more involved than the cheap same toilet paper instance of that Starfield mod.

If what you meant by "instancing" was that Starfield was sharing the same physics calculation for all the toilet papers, its very clearly not.

No, as you should be able to tell from the words rotation, position I'm well aware that the shader is instancing them differently, but it isn't exactly meaningful feedback or new, it is just at large counts because of the GPU.

I still remember over 20years ago when NaturalMotion was still a Oxford University start-up downloading an interactive physics room demo of under 100MB that ran comfortably on a 350Mhz CPU with about a 20th of the instance count with more meaningful feedback - as items that went through the basketball hoop inside the room registered as a bucket IIRC.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

I looked nice, but there are other better looking ps5 games.

Interactivity is the difference maker. In most games with peak graphics, environments are static and lifeless. One of the reasons Astrobot is fun is that everything reacts to your presence. In the VR game, this contributes greatly to immersion, much better than a better resolution or complex textures.

 

[Moses85]

Time for PS6.

 

[Guilty_AI]

I'm pretty sure Astrobot is doing a bit more than that and not just forward rendering on the GPU. Cycling even between two different instances in different frames is significantly more involved than the cheap same toilet paper instance of that Starfield mod.

No, as you should be able to tell from the words rotation, position I'm well aware that the shader is instancing them differently, but it isn't exactly meaningful feedback or new, it is just at large counts because of the GPU.

I still remember over 20years ago when. NaturalMotion was still a Oxford University start-up downloading an interactive physics room demo of under 100MB that ran comfortably on a 350Mhz CPU with about a 20th of the instance count with more meaningful feedback - as items that went through the basketball hoop inside the room registered as a bucket IIRC.

Reading this, i'm coming to the conclusion you don't even understand why having that many physical objects in the same scene is difficult. Rendering them isnt the problem here, the problem is having to calculate their position each new tick as they move with the physics. Thats what hogs resources in this scenario.

 

[PaintTinJr]

Reading this, i'm coming to the conclusion you don't even understand why having that many physical objects in the same scene is difficult. Rendering them isnt the problem here, the problem is having to calculate their position each new tick. Thats what hogs resources in this scenario.

You can do it all with shaders/compute shaders in the GPU, and I'd take issue with the description "physical objects" when they don't feedback to the control logic of the game/simulation running on the CPU, are they really "physical" when their purpose is purely as an inconsequential fx?

 

[Guilty_AI]

You can do it all with shaders/compute shaders in the GPU, and I'd take issue with the description "physical objects" when they don't feedback to the control logic of the game/simulation running on the CPU, are they really "physical" when their purpose is purely as an inconsequential fx?

Yes they do, and it was already plenty obvious in the toilet video

 

[PaintTinJr]

Yes they do, and it was already plenty obvious in the toilet video

I'm not seeing what you are getting at, as it all looks shader based. How do they feedback in a non-inconsequential way?

 

[vaibhavpisal]

I'm not seeing what you are getting at, as it all looks shader based. How do they feedback in a non-inconsequential way?

You can pick it up and decorate your house that you can buy in game. Or make an outpost with a view of the alien ocean.

 

[PaintTinJr]

You can pick it up and decorate your house that you can buy in game. Or make an outpost with a view of the alien ocean.

Can you kill an NPC with them, fill the inside of half a spaceship with them, so that the ship's levelling system has to compensate, making its flight less efficient effecting flight range, etc, etc?

My main reason for assuming they are inconsequential is that the count of particles would exceed the game logic update performance on any CPU by the look of things, meaning they don't feedback meaningfully, and if they do, it will be in much coarser groups, which undermines the visual spectacle's impressiveness in terms of physics.

 

[Guilty_AI]

I'm not seeing what you are getting at, as it all looks shader based. How do they feedback in a non-inconsequential way?

They individually hit surfaces, each other and other objects, reacting accordingly with real world physics or something close to it. In case you still dont understand, calculating all of that is where the challenge of having 1000s of objects on-screen lies.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

My main reason for assuming they are inconsequential is that the count of particles would exceed the game logic update performance on any CPU by the look of things, meaning they don't feedback meaningfully, and if they do, it will be in much coarser groups, which undermines the visual spectacle's impressiveness in terms of physics.

They roll down if you place them on slanted surfaces. Can pick them up and throw them.

Thats the extent of how interactive this stuff is in all these games. Which is still more than what most games allow.

 

[Guilty_AI]

Can you kill an NPC with them, fill the inside of half a spaceship with them, so that the ship's levelling system has to compensate, making its flight less efficient effecting flight range, etc, etc?

You're talking about gameplay applications, but nothing of what you said would be particularly computionally expensive to implement unless done very poorly. The main challenge remains calculating real world physics since its multiple vectors that have to be calculate for every one of these objects in every logic update, with most forms of optimization for this being very tricky.

 

[PaintTinJr]

They individually hit surfaces, each other and other objects, reacting accordingly with real world physics or something close to it. In case you still dont understand, calculating all of that is where the challenge of having 1000s of objects on-screen lies.

It isn't a challenge inside a Nvidia flagship GPU where data can be stored as textures by compute shaders and can access in scene geometry for collisions and updated and instanced without much in the way of feedback leaving the card. If you can indeed pick up cartons, that will be the engine tracking those ones for that interaction, not track every carton for every tick, or are you suggesting it is doing exactly what Minecraft does when explosions happen?

 

[Guilty_AI]

It isn't a challenge inside a Nvidia flagship GPU where data can be stored as textures by compute shaders and can access in scene geometry for collisions and updated and instanced without much in the way of feedback leaving the card. If you can indeed pick up cartons, that will be the engine tracking those ones for that interaction, not track every carton for every tick, or are you suggesting it is doing exactly what Minecraft does when explosions happen?

This is Havok, it is not specifically utilizing anything specific to nvidia gpus. Besides, offloading part of the physics calculation to the gpu is one of the ways to optimize these kinds of calculation, and not exactly a perfect one either as there are limitations for physics calculations done in parallel. I guarantee astrobot is also doing it to some degree.

 

[PaintTinJr]

This is Havok, it is not specifically utilizing anything specific to nvidia gpus. Besides, offloading part of the physics calculation to the gpu is one of the ways to optimize these kinds of calculation, and not exactly a perfect one either as there are limitations for physics calculations done in parallel. I guarantee astrobot is also doing it to some degree.

And yet the info in the tweet suggests optimisation - beyond starfield's lowering particles or slowing down the simulation in the background - was needed, more like the problem Minecraft has when frame-rate tanks because it is CPU, Memory or CPU to GPU bandwidth bound

/editted lower to lowering

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I looked nice, but there are other better looking ps5 games.

You can push hardware other ways than just graphics