IGN: Splatoon's lack of voice chat is "cheap and lazy"
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I never played NSMBU, that game had an online multiplayer function?
TheGreatMightyPoo
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BLOPS2U has voice chat though
He said Splatoon will be dead in a month not because of voicechat though.
Seth Enosh
Member
I didn't know NSMBU was an online game. Must have missed that mode.
Anyway good news for you, I checked on miiverse and NSMBU is still going: https://miiverse.nintendo.net/titles/14866558072985245728/14866558072985245729 as you can see, there are plenty of posts in the last day.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
Oops XD
If the Peace Walker Comms that were present in the Test Fire are customisable (and, honestly I can't see why they couldn't be) then I'll live.
I mean we have phones and Ipod touches with skype, hangouts and I'm absolutely sure there's a mumble client for android so I'ma just going to put a big ol Meh on this particular "Problem".
I mean we have phones and Ipod touches with skype, hangouts and I'm absolutely sure there's a mumble client for android so I'ma just going to put a big ol Meh on this particular "Problem".
Fbh
Member
Well now I hope all consoles remove the online stores from their system. Why the hell do we have that crap there wasting HDD space when we can just check the content on a browser from our PC/Phone/Tablet?
And lets hope the new wave of online games releasing later this year are finally done with those useless invites. So much time and money wasted making a feature when I can just text my friends to tell them I have set up a party and I want to play with them
Basic tutorials in games? Why? If I don't understand something I'll just go to Gamefaqs
Notifications for friends going online? Why are Sony fanboys even asking for that on ps4? Is it really that hard to text me "hey bro, I'm online now"?
And those damn screenshots you can take now. Am I the only one that thinks it's ridiculous that people enjoy how easy it is to capture screenshots and clips on current gen consoles? I mean, it's not like you could't do that before the Ps4/X1/WiiU, you just had to buy a capture card
And lets hope the new wave of online games releasing later this year are finally done with those useless invites. So much time and money wasted making a feature when I can just text my friends to tell them I have set up a party and I want to play with them
Basic tutorials in games? Why? If I don't understand something I'll just go to Gamefaqs
Notifications for friends going online? Why are Sony fanboys even asking for that on ps4? Is it really that hard to text me "hey bro, I'm online now"?
And those damn screenshots you can take now. Am I the only one that thinks it's ridiculous that people enjoy how easy it is to capture screenshots and clips on current gen consoles? I mean, it's not like you could't do that before the Ps4/X1/WiiU, you just had to buy a capture card
Xaero Gravity
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ShinMaruku
Member
In an ideal world every system should have party chat, but this world is far from ideal.
Now I won't say it's cheap and lazy.
Nintendo has been this way from time immemorial, what would make you think they'd change now?
Exploratory
Banned
Eww wtf.
FollowTheWind
Banned
Can't believe some people are defending this, a multiplayer shooter with no voice chat options... Not surprised, wouldn't put it past some people to defend Nintendo even when it's clear they are wrong in this case.
Why not at least make it an option, still cannot wait to buy it. Probably just Skype with my friends.
Why not at least make it an option, still cannot wait to buy it. Probably just Skype with my friends.
Whatever you might think of this decision though, calling it lazy is blatantly wrong. You can see from early interviews and the game itself they put a lot of thought into the voice chat problem. They clearly saw a problem in voice chat before/early in development and to solve that problem they created a game in which you can easily figure out what you're supposed to be doing at any given time with having some dipshit yell it into your ears over the interwebz.
It not lazy decision, it's a well thought through, mechanically developed, inhouse tested and *(
It not lazy decision, it's a well thought through, mechanically developed, inhouse tested and *(
/[WRONG])* decision.
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orthodoxy1095
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You can defend the lack of universal chat and have a decent argument. I'd argue against it as I've actual made a few gaming acquaintances via public voice chat. Even when I didn't have my mic on, I've benefited in games by being able to listen to team chatter and getting advice from them. But you'd at least have an argument if you wanted to support Nintendo there.
What's insane is arguing against an OS party system with voice chat or voice chat between friends. I'm going to get the game to play with a friend, and the prospect of having to hassle to set up an off-console voice chat every time we play sounds aggravating already. Not having a party/friend chat is indefensible and inexcusable.
What's insane is arguing against an OS party system with voice chat or voice chat between friends. I'm going to get the game to play with a friend, and the prospect of having to hassle to set up an off-console voice chat every time we play sounds aggravating already. Not having a party/friend chat is indefensible and inexcusable.
Fiercedeity
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TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
Seriously though, who would want to talk and hear chatter over those awesomely wicked tunes???
(Defense force) + (People who have no interest in Y title stirring shit) + (Nintendo) = Thread
I don't think any rational mind would argue against OS level friend chat/parties.
I have no idea what you're talking about.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
I would rather hear the jokes and laughs of my friends.
timetokill
Banned
Friend chat would've been nice.
Talking with randoms is more trouble than it's worth.
Talking with randoms is more trouble than it's worth.
Seth Enosh
Member
I didn't actually notice anyone in this thread arguing against OS party chat except for a few people saying they missed having everyone use in-game chat instead (to make new friends).
Even Iwata wants a system party chat (lol):
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
That still gets plenty of Miiverse activity though.
I disagree with the notion of it being cheap and lazy as this would require information from the developers as to the development process of the game.
It is however an unequivocally bad game design and flaw on the designers' part that will hamper the potential for the online component and hurt longevity. This is another case of Nintendo being ass backwards and being behind on the times.
It is however an unequivocally bad game design and flaw on the designers' part that will hamper the potential for the online component and hurt longevity. This is another case of Nintendo being ass backwards and being behind on the times.
Hey, maybe this E3 they will announce an OS level thing. The system is due for a major update.
TheSpoonyBard
Neo Member
Oh my stars! You mean to tell me that Nintendo's online system is hilariously backward and outdated?
pinkurocket
Member
Online matches that last 3 minutes, with a matchmaking system that combines people from all over the world and shuffles them each round, does not need voice chat.
My only hope is that they add communication options between friends once they release that feature in August (?). Since I assume they were talking about launch game content when saying there wouldn't be voice chat.
My only hope is that they add communication options between friends once they release that feature in August (?). Since I assume they were talking about launch game content when saying there wouldn't be voice chat.
Seth Enosh
Member
You're pretty awesome at NSMBU if you beat the whole game in a night
Anyway I guess this is a terminology issue. Usually when people say a game is "dead" they mean no one is playing it. People are still playing NSMBU. I guess you were just saying you personally will be finished playing Splatoon after a month (which is nice for you. we'll still have fun with it once you're done).
They clearly didn't think it through enough considering opt-in solves their complaints while still helping to foster an online community.
flatearthpandas
Member
Can't argue with it.
All of Nintendo's online games are suffering from this. Especially in a cooperative team game, the game itself actually suffers from such a pointless exclusion.
All of Nintendo's online games are suffering from this. Especially in a cooperative team game, the game itself actually suffers from such a pointless exclusion.
tbh I don't think anyone here is actually arguing against this; some people are just trying to explain why it may never happen and the posts saying they don't mind because they can just use skype I think are mainly saying that because they have an easy work around they don't see it as a deal breaker.
Hopefully they can get something working in the August update
professor denim
Member
Voice chat in a 3 minute round multiplayer shooter, where you swap team every new round? Not sure it needs.... At least for now
Sylverstone14
Member
Way to be late to the party, IGN.
Anyways, with an expanded pinging system, it could be a much better alternative to voice chat.
Using the "c'mon" ping REALLY helped me get some backup in-game.
Anyways, with an expanded pinging system, it could be a much better alternative to voice chat.
Using the "c'mon" ping REALLY helped me get some backup in-game.
Oh does using that highlight your position on the maps of your teammates? I only heard that used a few times when I played but I didn't think to look at my map
When I played Halo MCC and Halo 5 Beta I was chatting with randoms. It was helpful to know who had power weapons, locations, etc.
Either way, the option is nice to have.
Not having voice chat options in a multiplayer, team-based game isn't an omission, it's a feature!
There really is a defense force for everything. I'm excited for the inevitable meltdowns in the review thread when some reviewer shreds this game for launching without so many features.
There are other things to consider that a simple opt-in wouldn't solve but actually become the problem, but I already collaborated on that earlier in this thread and I really need to get to bed.
All I really wanted to spread in this thread was that having options isn't always a good thing and that people really should try to consider why developers would make such a call, but I guess that's to much to ask in this age of angry entitled videogamers and ceiling spiders with musculinity crisis'. Definitely had too much gaf today, so I say goodnight people, till the next ninty voicechat thread. (^-^)b
Voice chat is not a necessary feature for me and I didn't miss it during the testfire.
Nintendo's family friendly image is important to it especially for a game that is being pushed as much as Splatoon.
Remember the disabling of spotpass functionality in 3DS swapnote?
http://www.nintendo.com/whatsnew/detail/UHQZFP2Jxcll_Vm-PsZpxNIK5920bRRK
If you're arguing about the gameplay need for voice chat (which is debatable) then you're missing the point. We learned that it wasn't included because the devs don't want players to be cursed at. I don't know of any efficient and reliable way to automatically censor verbal abuse. Given Nintendo's rationale for leaving out voice chat, that technology (or perfectly behaved people...lol) would be the only way to get it in.
Nintendo's family friendly image is important to it especially for a game that is being pushed as much as Splatoon.
Remember the disabling of spotpass functionality in 3DS swapnote?
http://www.nintendo.com/whatsnew/detail/UHQZFP2Jxcll_Vm-PsZpxNIK5920bRRK
If you're arguing about the gameplay need for voice chat (which is debatable) then you're missing the point. We learned that it wasn't included because the devs don't want players to be cursed at. I don't know of any efficient and reliable way to automatically censor verbal abuse. Given Nintendo's rationale for leaving out voice chat, that technology (or perfectly behaved people...lol) would be the only way to get it in.
StarStabbedMoon
Member
That's what I'm wondering. I can't imagine it would've been all that difficult or expensive to implement (as everyone obviously points out, it's 2015). Nintendo did this intentionally without a doubt.
Solid Samus
Banned
Ending a post like that says you've probably had too much GAF for the whole month... Jeez, this thread is something else.
Edit: maybe ive had too much GAF because it took me like 5min to realize that was a joke but even then
Yay, a person cheering for a game to do bad just because he generalizes 2 posters as a whole defense force. Seriously new for me to see someone so excited at wanting to see a game score badly.
That and not having chat in a Team game aren't really all that similar lol
Never said I care about the reviews themselves, just that I was ready to laugh at the meltdowns in the review thread when the game gets critiqued for stuff like this. Personally, I don't really care how it reviews. I'll probably rent it for a week or two during the dry summer months anyway.
Pancakes R Us
Member
This. But Nintendo needs to protect the kiddies. Sure, ignore the fact that a significant proportion of the market that grew up with your games and systems are now in the 20-30+ category and are (shock, horror) adults.
Great Puma
Member
To me, the lack of voice chat is conceptually a problem, as in, I know others will want it even if I don't really care either way. Also conceptually, I'd like to at least be able to chat with friends...but I never find time to arrange online gaming with anyone. I suppose everybody's situation is different. But I will say that after having an absolute blast playing Splatoon today, I don't see how anybody's next article could be something that pretty much condemns the game.
Solid Samus
Banned
It'd be more like if Zelda came out in 2016 and you had to pause to swap gear and items
half a moon
Banned
The whole game is cheap and lazy. It looks like f2p nintendoland game while it should look like Sunset Overdrive.