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[Alienous]

it really is baffling why there is no voice chat

I really don't think it is.

Vitriolic voice chat isn't uncommon. Harassment, name-calling etc. It's clear that Nintendo wants Splatoon to be an online game for everyone and voice chat would be a hinder that.

I do think Nintendo made a mistake in not allowing voice chat with people on your friends list, and allowing parents or adults to toggle that on.

 

[Sendou]

One additional point:

Nintendo has a sweet, talented, and fun community of friendly people. These are people I want to banter with in a multiplayer Nintendo game.

How dare you presumptuously and falsely assume that voice chatting with them would be "toxic" or that they would "curse you and your mother". You have no basis to make those claims, which completely mischaracterize the Nintendo community.

Ever thought your view might be based on the fact you can't talk to them, lol?

 

[Doctor_Thomas]

NBA2k7 comes to mind right off the top of my head.

I didn't say "every" game, but it is a standard. The lack of voice chat in PS3 games is unusual. Even at launch Resistance had voice chat.

 

[Solid Samus]

I haven't followed tech on this front: is it possible to have a free skype (or similar) multi voice chat session, from a smartphone or tablet?

I assume close friends would use it.

One of my fondest gaming memories is playing Uncharted 2 online with my best friends.
It was the first (and last) period when we would join every night and play for hours.

Only one of these friends has a Wii U, so having voice chat with him will be easy anyway through facetime.

Clearly not as convenient, but not that hard either with some motivation.

Of course. Playing select PC games with buddies is the only reason I Skype anymore. Long session strategy games are so much better when you can see the people you're playing with

 

[TI82]

It's not over embellishing people's complaints. It's exactly what's happening. You've done it yourself in the past.

"Gamepad sucks, give controller support."
"Why support so many controllers? Just give me one standard option like the other consoles."

We just had this in the guy complaining about Pikmin 3 thread.

Every day we have this kind of weird list of bullet points that come back in every single thread despite half of them being solved in their originating threads. I'm just growing tired of constantly seeing the same people make the same arguments in every single thread time after time after time. We're all aware that no party chat sucks and that region locking's bad and that Nintendo should have just made a PS4 or should have gone third party because we'll get Mario on PS4 yay!

It's all the same arguments done to death. It's an endless circlejerk and I'm just tired of seeing the same posts from the same posters in every single thread. Apparently if you have any differing opinion you're an apologist and I'm honestly kinda done ignoring it and am going to start calling it out now.

The game pad does hurt my hands I've always said this. You can still support both... It's not that difficult.

 

[deltatheta]

Still trying to figure out how Nintendo can simultaneously be limiting communication because they are prioritizing family values and because they're just too cheap and lazy.

I'm guessing the reason that Nintendo doesn't just provide an opt-in system is because only a tiny percentage of people actually turn the parental controls on. And doing an age gated opt in would lead to a massive meltdown like we saw on here when there was a possibility of requiring a credit card validation to turn off the New 3DS's porn filter.

 

[FinalStageBoss]

I don't understand people against this, it's not that fucking hard to hit a mute button.

 

[WhiteRabbitEXE]

No? I just disagreed with "standard".

Are you really going start an argument of semantics?

standard

[stan-derd]

noun

something considered by an authority or by general consent as a basis of comparison; an approved model.

a rule or principle that is used as a basis for judgment

an average or normal requirement

95-99% of online games on PS3 have in-game voice chat. Meaning it's effectively standard functionality. Regardless of NBA2K7. Or whatever one or two other extremely irrelevant examples you can muster up.

 

[Solid Samus]

I really don't think it is.

Vitriolic voice chat isn't uncommon. Harassment, name-calling etc. It's clear that Nintendo wants Splatoon to be an online game for everyone and voice chat would be a hinder that.

I do think Nintendo made a mistake in not allowing voice chat with people on your friends list, and allowing parents or adults to toggle that on.

I think that vitriolic voice chat is a lot less common these days as its being characterized as being, but sure, vc with randoms means its always a possibility, especially when almost every player would have a mic built into their controller.

 

[cheesekao]

1. Not clear at all.
2. Yes, I agree... hence why I disagreed with you.
3. I'd consider it a mode since, well, it has different rules.
4. Indeed. There's also the mini-games at the arcades.

I don't disagree that we have a general idea. I disagree with the parroting of "game is light" from certain people as if they had video evidence. I was originally skeptical on five maps. After playing the game, I don't think I will care because I think the maps have very good design and good to decent re-playability. God knows I played Spacemarine PvP, and heck if I remember seeing more than three maps.

As I said, review copies are out Monday and several reviewers have already said they'll let us know what they think well ahead of time. Then we'll know.

Okay I get what you're saying but is those who said that the game 'seems' content light are being fair with their statement since it's not really a definitive statement. I know that making a de facto statement about the game before it's released is not the wisest thing to do but being concerned about the contents of a game that one is interested shouldn't always be shunned. I'm aware that there comes a point where the 'concern' gets overblown but from what we know the game 'seems' to be light on content to some people. Explaining to them why they are incorrect in their assessment is fine but then there's people like this.

are you even trying to shit up this thread at this point? least you could do is research your inane whining before diarrhoea farting it onto a forum.

You must understand this is disingenuous.

By your standards Call of Duty has 5 weapons. Assault Rifle, Shotgun, SMG, LMG, Sniper.

It's also a simplification, ignoring sub and power weapons.

Okay so I edited my post from 'weapons' to 'weapon classes'. Hope that clears up a few things.

 

[Octavianus]

I cannot, for the life of me, understand why there's people defending this.

I can't play the game to comment on the quality but between the lack of voice chat and the content roll out, it seems like Nintendo are trying to kill the game.



While not part of the system OS, I can't think of many online games that didn't have voice chat.

I can't for the life of me understand why people are against this. Voice chat would add nothing to the game.

"Other games have voice chat so this game should have voice chat too."

I hope LoZ has voice acting, even if the alternative is just as relevant to many other people for good reasons. Even if the alternative would in no way shape or form preclude me from playing exactly the way I want to anyway. I don't want text exposition even as an option. Why?

'Fuck text.'

Thats not strange tho

You're cute.

 

[Neff]

One additional point:

Nintendo has a sweet, talented, and fun community of friendly people. These are people I want to banter with in a multiplayer Nintendo game.

How dare you presumptuously and falsely assume that voice chatting with them would be "toxic" or that they would "curse you and your mother". You have no basis to make those claims, which completely mischaracterize the Nintendo community.

This is a very good point. Nintendo's gaming community is generally more mature and easygoing than that of Sony's or Microsoft's. But it only takes one dickhead to ruin it for everyone.

 

[weekev]

Really hoping voice chat gets brought in with friends lobbies. Seems like a necessity if this game has a chance of making an impact on the competitive scene. It has everything else goingfor it...

 

[Gabe3208]

How is their flagship epic game not having voice acting not strange? I mean they already act like they're talking and have voices for grunts and other sounds.

I think this is something that really shouldn't change. There's a certain "art" or "feel" of having no voices in TLoZ. It's kind of like colorizing a black and white film. You wouldn't want to watch Citizen Kane in color.

 

[WhiteRabbitEXE]

I can't for the life of me understand why people are against this. Voice chat would add nothing to the game.

The ability to communicate factually and definitively adds nothing to a social experience.

Seriously?

 

[Doctor_Thomas]

I can't for the life of me understand why people are against this. Voice chat would add nothing to the game.

"Other games have voice chat so this game should have voice chat too."

Good rebuttal, let me follow up with this.

Yes, pretty much. If other games are doing it, there's probably a reason for it and it's because, in a team based shooter, the idea of not having a way to communicate with your team in a quick, sensible manner makes no sense. The concept of no ability to chat, even as an option, in 2015, is just Nintendo all over - other people did it first, so we're not going to do it.

 

[Vena]

Are you really going start an argument of semantics?

Nope. Actually was just misinformed based on my reference of: the games I own.

I'm aware that there comes a point where the 'concern' gets overblown but from what we know the game 'seems' to be light on content to some people. Explaining to them why they are incorrect in their assessment is fine but then there's people like this.

This is the issue, particularly to the person to whom I replied.

 

[NotLiquid]

Still trying to figure out how Nintendo can simultaneously be limiting communication because they are prioritizing family values and because they're just too cheap and lazy.

I'm guessing the reason that Nintendo doesn't just provide an opt-in system is because only a tiny percentage of people actually turn the parental controls on. And doing an age gated opt in would lead to a massive meltdown like we saw on here when there was a possibility of requiring a credit card validation to turn off the New 3DS's porn filter.

The opt-in could have been handled through the game itself I imagine. Even if it had to mean for Nintendo to really just "hide" features.

Not that any sort of opt-in would actually solve Nintendo's problem. Pretty sure I recall another member post an article from Valve as to why opt-in fails to prevent online toxicity.

Its a situation where you're either forced to deal with the unfortunate reality of it if you want to have it. There's no way to have the cake and eat it.

 

[Papercuts]

I can't for the life of me understand why people are against this. Voice chat would add nothing to the game.

"Other games have voice chat so this game should have voice chat too."





You're cute.

On the flip side, what would the option of having voice chat take away from the game, to you? An option doesn't change anything on that end, but the people who want voice chat would have an actual avenue for it. Therefore it's simply better.

That is why any defense of it seems flabbergasting to me.

 

[TI82]

I think this is something that really shouldn't change. There's a certain "art" or "feel" of having no voices in TLoZ. It's kind of like colorizing a black and white film. You wouldn't want to watch Citizen Kane in color.

Adding voice to previous games would fit your idea of coloring films, but new games... No. That isn't right at all.

 

[Stilton Disco]

This is a very good point. Nintendo's gaming community is generally more mature and easygoing than that of Sony's or Microsoft's. But it only takes one dickhead to ruin it for everyone.

Bollocks. No ones community is better or more mature than anyone else's. There are just as many insufferable wankers and worse, teenagers, on every system.

Case in point, I'm part of Nintendo's online gaming community, and I'm awful.

 

[Vena]

Bollocks. No ones community is better or more mature than anyone else's. There are just as many insufferable wankers and worse, teenagers, on every system.

Case in point, I'm part of Nintendo's online gaming community, and I'm awful.

Not the Ouya.

 

[Solid Samus]

You're cute.

Honestly I just couldn't figure out how else to respond to that post you made on the other page other than to point out how strange it was with a similarly reasoned example. You're not the first one to make that post in here or on GAF and you surely wouldn't be the first to have someone respond like its foolish either. Disliking voice chat is one totally understandable thing but advocating for its complete absence, apparently solely because it doesn't suit your preference, is really kind of lame ... considering you'd have the same experience through a one time toggle like those available in many other games, without stripping others of the option.

That you've decided voice chat could not possibly add anything to the game in any form, friend-limited or otherwise, just says to me that you lack perspective, and that you are not interested in a reasonable discussion. Or any discussion, given that the contents of your posts have already been addressed multiple times when others made the in this very thread, which you probably haven't read. Hell, people have said this kind of thing before in defense of other games too, and it always goes over the same way, for good reason.

 

[jariw]

I can't for the life of me understand why people are against this. Voice chat would add nothing to the game.

It would add nothing to the game that's available on day 1, but at least lobby voice chat (within the team) for the features added in the August update could add a dimension to those modes.

 

[Haunted]

I'm not ever using voice chat to communicate with strangers and even I think Nintendo should be called out for it.

 

[Alienous]

Bollocks. No ones community is better or more mature than anyone else's. There are just as many insufferable wankers and worse, teenagers, on every system.

Case in point, I'm part of Nintendo's online gaming community, and I'm awful.

Lol.

 

[cheesekao]

This is the issue, particularly to the person to whom I replied.

Well it doesn't seem that way to me but if you think so then I have no right to say you're wrong and I apologize for whatever inconvenience and whatnot that I may or may not have caused.

 

[WhiteRabbitEXE]

On the flip side, what would the option of having voice chat take away from the game, to you? An option doesn't change anything on that end, but the people who want voice chat would have an actual avenue for it. Therefore it's simply better.

That is why any defense of it seems flabbergasting to me.

Realistically this is the only argument that matters, but they just keep passing over it whenever the point is made, and then someone comes in and mentions angry twelve-year-olds again and the argument chain starts anew.

 

[Vena]

Well it doesn't seem that way to me but if you think so then I have no right to say you're wrong and I apologize for whatever inconvenience or whatnot that I may or may not have caused.

In a single post? Sure.

When its repeated in every thread with "Splatoon" on it? It gets tiresome.

Realistically this is the only argument that matters, but they just keep passing over it whenever the point is made, and then someone comes in and mentions angry twelve-year-olds again and the argument chain starts anew.

"Angry twelve year olds."

What happens now?

 

[Gabe3208]

Adding voice to previous games would fit your idea of coloring films, but new games... No. That isn't right at all.

But it takes away from that nice silent feel the games just have. I dunno, I guess it's just my personal preference.

 

[TI82]

But it takes away from that nice silent feel the games just have. I dunno, I guess it's just my personal preference.

I don't even see how you can say that when the characters have little sound effects, Beetle in wind Waker even speaks his.

 

[CarlieCaplin]

I don't care about voice chat. I don't want to talk to or hear strangers BUT I think that there should be the option to talk to your friends.

I don't know if this has been asked but could the inclusion of voice chat also have an impact on the age rating?

 

[NotLiquid]

I will say I do find umbrage in the idea of calling the ommission of voice chat "cheap and lazy".

This company got voice chat working for Prime Hunters on the DS. If anything was made clear yesterday from Splatoon's online test, it was that their efforts in building a stable netcode that won't buckle under pressure is anything but "cheap and lazy".

I'm all for criticizing a game for lacking something but have the perspective to at least dignify your argument. "Cheap and lazy" is an, ironically, cheap and lazy argument. If they wanted to get voice chat, they would do it. But it has nothing to do with money or laziness. Call it what it is - misguided.

 

[Neff]

Bollocks. No ones community is better or more mature than anyone else's. There are just as many insufferable wankers and worse, teenagers, on every system.

Case in point, I'm part of Nintendo's online gaming community, and I'm awful.

Well yes, we know that

You're the reason there's no voice chat in Splatoon ;P

 

[cheesekao]

I don't care about voice chat. I don't want to talk to or hear strangers BUT I think that there should be the option to talk to your friends.

I don't know if this has been asked but could the inclusion of voice chat also have an impact on the age rating?

ESRB and their equivalents don't rate online experiences from what I've seen. There's usually a text that says that before the title screen.

 

[gconsole]

How could someone defend a choice of not including voice chat in multiplayer game as a good thing? I mean , if you don't like it you can still mute people , etc. But if you need it for communication, you have absolutely no option at all. So, do I need to use Skype just to chat with my chat during game or something?

Nintendo fan is ridiculous. Seriously. This is 2015. All multiplayer game on other machine has this feature. Do you want to keep your audience small as it is or expand? OMG.

 

[deltatheta]

The opt-in could have been handled through the game itself I imagine. Even if it had to mean for Nintendo to really just "hide" features.

Not that any sort of opt-in would actually solve Nintendo's problem. Pretty sure I recall another member post an article from Valve as to why opt-in fails to prevent online toxicity.

Its a situation where you're either forced to deal with the unfortunate reality of it if you want to have it. There's no way to have the cake and eat it.

I dunno, I imagine the scenario Nintendo wants to avoid is a little kid getting the game, turning the voice chat on, then playing the game around their parents who hear the profanity/slurs/negativity and go to the press about how awful Nintendo is.

A large part of Nintendo's demographic is very little kids, younger than what Microsoft and Sony are targeting. Maintaining a family friendly image is very important to them, economically.

 

[KazenY2J]

I can't for the life of me understand why people are against this. Voice chat would add nothing to the game.

"Other games have voice chat so this game should have voice chat too."

Are you forgetting that this is a team-based shooter, which requires interaction with your teammates?

This is indefensible, especially for a game in 2015.

 

[Gabe3208]

I don't even see how you can say that when the characters have little sound effects, Beetle in wind Waker even speaks his.

I mean for the main characters. Have you ever heard Charles Martinet talking in Mario's voice for a while? listen here, it's extremely annoying. I don't want to have that impression of Link.

 

[atr0cious]

I think if anything, Nintendo may add like a lobby chat, so mlgers, probably me, can strategize for the next round, but I doubt, we'll see it in game.

 

[TI82]

I dunno, I imagine the scenario Nintendo wants to avoid is a little kid getting the game, turning the voice chat on, then playing the game around their parents who hear the profanity/slurs/negativity and go to the press about how awful Nintendo is.

A large part of Nintendo's demographic is very little kids, younger than what Microsoft and Sony are targeting. Maintaining a family friendly image is very important to them, economically.

Nintendo: We are sorry parents but upon game bootup the user is prompted if they would like to chat with other players. Parents are also told to set up parental controls to disable all voice chat if they so choose.

 

[Solid Samus]

Are you forgetting that this is a a team-based shooter, which requires interaction with your teammates?

The same fanbase who will tell you to grab some friends and fuckin' socialize next time an N game doesn't even have online because as always "it's better than playing with randumbs and 12yos online would be, right?", but talking to anyone including your friends when a game does go online? What is even the point, right? It doesn't like enhance gameplay or whatever lolz

 

[Conan-san]

It was both announced as and started development as a 4v4 multiplayer shooter. Splatoon has always been a multiplayer-first IP.

So? Smash has always been a multi-player party fighting game first IP and that doesn't stop the single player campaigns (multiple, even) from being some of the better examples in a genre that trees them like an afterthought with only the likes of Netherelm and ASW picking up the prolapsed slack elsewhere.

Just because the single player campaigns in other Multilayer Focused shooters have been unmitigated bum since No Russian doesn't mean Nintendo follows in lock-step.

 

[impact]

NBA2k7 comes to mind right off the top of my head.

lmao holy shit

"off the top of my head"

 

[cheesekao]

A large part of Nintendo's demographic is very little kids, younger than what Microsoft and Sony are targeting. Maintaining a family friendly image is very important to them, economically.

I don't really think that statement carries as much weight as it used to anymore. There are plenty of lewd stuff in their current games like bayonetta2, fire emblem, XenobladeX and possibly a few others.

 

[deltatheta]

I think if anything, Nintendo may add like a lobby chat, so mlgers, probably me, can strategize for the next round, but I doubt, we'll see it in game.

Probably not if they've already gone on record as no voice chat, but Mario Kart 8 has lobby chat with friends. The lobbies are so short that it's pretty pointless, though.

I don't really think that statement carries as much weight as it used to anymore. There are plenty of lewd stuff in their current games like bayonetta2, fire emblem, XenobladeX and a few others.

There's a big difference between mature content in games that are rated M and marketed to adults and de facto mature content that ends up in a game that's marketed to children.

 

[mrlion]

Bollocks. No ones community is better or more mature than anyone else's. There are just as many insufferable wankers and worse, teenagers, on every system.

Case in point, I'm part of Nintendo's online gaming community, and I'm awful.

I'm laughing more than taking this serious.

 

[stryke]

It's not lazy or cheap, it's a consciously stupid decision.

 

[cheesekao]

There's a big difference between mature content in games that are rated M and marketed to adults and de facto mature content that ends up in a game that's marketed to children.

I would assume that any company that wants to keep up a 'family friendly' appearance would abstain from 'non-family friendly' content altogether. I wouldn't really call Disney a family friendly company anymore if they start making perverted cartoons(unless they already have). Then again, they may have amde M rated movies so maybe you're right...I guess?

 

[atr0cious]

I would assume that any company that wants to keep up a 'family friendly' appearance would abstain from 'non-family friendly' content altogether. I wouldn't really call Disney a family friendly company anymore if they start making perverted cartoons(unless they already have).

Lol, Disney is the OG of perverted cartoons.