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[ValiantInstance]

OP also strikes me as a 'not everything has to be political' type, i.e. a normal person. Unfortunately the people who push this stuff do not agree with you.

There are many useful idiots who think agreeing with these things projects them as a good and virtuous person. But the 'true believers' believe that every aspect of your life should be viewed through a political lens, and that they in fact have a moral duty to do so.

 

[Gamerfan81]

This is one of the last message boards where you can have a dissenting opinion. Enjoy it.

I was banned at another forum, no it's not the purple one, for just saying I don't want politics and social issues shoved in games, and that games should be for fun and escapism, I was banned for using "right-wing dog whistling" whatever the fuck that means.

Hell, this place still has a few purple members that lingers around, they aren't banned and can voice their opinions.

 

[Danjin44]

Don’t need to worry it just a video game forum, it not that serious that people need to stress over it.

 

[MujkicHaris]

I don't like your post OP.

 

[delfrickintree]

Fuck off alt acount of retardera cuckmodteam, u got ur safe space where insane views of clownworld are promoted and any person who has sane views that actually have basis in reality and biology gets punished/silenced/banned, so u want to make our precious gaf just like that?

The major difference between here and rainbow forum(or other ones that not lean but simply are deep in the abbys of wokeism) is here any1 can voice their views- no1 forces any1 to adjust their worldview, including having traditional values that survived milenia.

Todays "rightwing" is what few decades ago was normal moderate view.
There is a reason they cant make gems like married with children in today's world but it was perfectly fine in the 80s/90s

You make a fascinating hilarious and aggressive point. Keep it up because these nerds expect a level of softness and decency that allows them to keep annoying us. All of the passiveness we see here only paves the way for worse times, as the "strong men / good times" saying goes. Not all of us can guard the keep 247 but we can all do our part. o7

 

[March Climber]

You know sometimes you make a good point.

Thank you.

Does go to show that you arent banned though

I read the rules. I have never advocated for outright permabanning someone for thinking differently as that’s what partly creates an echo chamber anyway. I just like rule consistency.

One problem in this thread is it seems that people are conveniently ignoring the other parts OP brought up that create the chamber and are instead laser focused on the banning part and why this site is better.

If I had written the OP I would have never even hinted at any other website. This is a GAF ordeal that should be insulated in conversation. Other sites muddy the waters and make it harder to have an earnest convo, because certain sites here are met with anger.

 

[bitbydeath]

You’re welcome to your wrong opinion and you won’t get banned for it.

That should be enough.

 

[OverHeat]

 

[delfrickintree]

Thank you.

I read the rules. I have never advocated for outright permabanning someone for thinking differently as that’s what partly creates an echo chamber anyway. I just like rule consistency.

One problem in this thread is it seems that people are conveniently ignoring the other parts OP brought up that create the chamber and are instead laser focused on the banning part and why this site is better.

If I had written the OP I would have never even hinted at any other website. This is a GAF ordeal that should be insulated in conversation. Other sites muddy the waters and make it harder to have an earnest convo, because certain sites here are met with anger.

Yea I honestly dont care about other forums. I was on gamefaqs since like 2000 and its always been a mess lol. It does suggest that people are becoming e-domesticated online rather than "on grass" so there is a shift of attitude and desire for dignity when it used to be lawless pioneer territory. I swear ive had this conversation before with others here, or maybe im going even more senile. Ah well!

 

[RJMacready73]

Hey it's perfectly acceptable to voice concerns and opinions and tbh i've seen quite a few posts on the DA threads kicking back against the tide so to speak from those that have no issues with the game or its content, seen the term "chud" thrown around as well.. no fucking idea what it means (im old af) so there seems to be a few lurking purple hairs and that's great imo, makes a for a big melting pot of threads and comments from all walks of life and adds spice to the discussions...

I occasionally head over to the "dark side" for shits and giggles and Oh boy, thon place is an echo chamber of madness where if you don't tow the line 110% they insta ban you, i've seen bans handed out and for the life of me can't see why and it's that sort of moderation and group think that is fucking scary to me and has no place here, they really do think they are better and were all some sort of trump loving nazi's (i fucking hate the orange cunt with a passion btw) instead what we are over here is everyone they are not.. a fucking normal slice of humanity

 

[IllegalLemon]

We're not anti-woke kind sir. We just hate having Woke politics jammed into the videogames we play, and then forcefully shoved down our throats, so that game devs with an agenda could please the powers that be and score ESG points and funding and please the sexual minorities and their mental illness, all the while ruining the games industry in the process.

 

[dDoc]

I think the main point of the post is that you can start a thread about a game and it will have a female lead for example, by the 4th or 5th page it's devolved into arguments about woke and DEI even if the game isn't woke and if anyone disagrees they get labelled shills, woke, apologists, 'part of the problem' etc.

Not saying this happens every thread but it is becoming more and more of a problem and makes this site less fun than it used to be.

Blame this on the insanity that has infiltrated gaming over the past decade.

We always had female characters. If a game was good, people played it. Simple as that.

But corporations, DEI initiatives and greed turned many games, that could have been good, into a cesspool.

And the only ways to combat this is to 1) Do not buy the products burdened with this stuff and 2) Be vocal about these products.

 

[Paasei]

I like that even these cunts can have their opinions. And anyone else who then doesn’t like said opinion is capable of discussing it respectfully rather then immediately voice to ban it.

Just like you will not be banned for yours in this post. Censorship is not appreciated very much.

 

[delfrickintree]

One more thing I would like to add before returning to shitposting. Modern politics is not even politics anymore, which is why we have to separate it. Some of us might get a real job someday and it is crucial that you do not mix these garbage poolitics in normal conversation. Its a proximity mine you fuckin noob! Keep intelligent thoughts in your head and roll them around for a while. sometimes buzzwords are fun and we like to meme shit into the ground. When in doubt, lurk and learn. Reality changes rapidly, dont e-ternalize your mistakes for a quickie like i often do

 

[PeteBull]

You make a fascinating hilarious and aggressive point. Keep it up because these nerds expect a level of softness and decency that allows them to keep annoying us. All of the passiveness we see here only paves the way for worse times, as the "strong men / good times" saying goes. Not all of us can guard the keep 247 but we can all do our part. o7

Post of mine u quoted would likely warrant me ban on rainbow forum 10 times over, i was never there-never made an account for obvious reasons- but i saw fellow gaffers posting screenies with totally innocent timid posts and still getting banned for it.
And those were 1-2 sentences praising game or just saying they gonna play/check out the game their modteam didnt like/didnt allow to speak of for example

 

[delfrickintree]

Post of mine u quoted would likely warrant me ban on rainbow forum 10 times over, i was never there-never made an account for obvious reasons- but i saw fellow gaffers posting screenies with totally innocent timid posts and still getting banned for it.
And those were 1-2 sentences praising game or just saying they gonna play/check out the game their modteam didnt like/didnt allow to speak of for example

Sounds great brother, keep being a champion!! Mind if i put you on speed-summin to bite someone's head off?

 

[PeteBull]

Sounds great brother, keep being a champion!! Mind if i put you on speed-summin to bite someone's head off?

No ty, im not a cannibal altho i remember back in the days i played psx game where u could be one

 

[AgatonSax]

I shall take my entertainment either through supporting and playing well crafted, intelligent, engaging games or else through watching amateurish, preachy slop crash and burn.

I shall take my entertainment.

 

[Calico345]

This is one of the last message boards where you can have a dissenting opinion. Enjoy it.

I was banned at another forum, no it's not the purple one, for just saying I don't want politics and social issues shoved in games, and that games should be for fun and escapism, I was banned for using "right-wing dog whistling" whatever the fuck that means.

Hell, this place still has a few purple members that lingers around, they aren't banned and can voice their opinions.

Sounds like a site that I know...

 

[keefged4]

This isn't the steam forums, you can't farm clown awards here

 

[delfrickintree]

No ty, im not a cannibal altho i remember back in the days i played psx game where u could be one

Dang,. well ive always wanted a petebull on a leesh to intimidate any lurkers around my intellectual property

 

[PeteBull]

Just curious, other than further moderation (I don't think that's really needed), what points do you think are wrong?

I think the main point of the post is that you can start a thread about a game and it will have a female lead for example, by the 4th or 5th page it's devolved into arguments about woke and DEI even if the game isn't woke and if anyone disagrees they get labelled shills, woke, apologists, 'part of the problem' etc.

Not saying this happens every thread but it is becoming more and more of a problem and makes this site less fun than it used to be.

Saying that, people are allowed their opinions, but sometimes it goes too far especially if you are of a different viewpoint, but then, many of GAF (me included) are quite argumentative so I myself do need to just chill a little sometimes.

(And there is always the report and ignore buttons but many of us don't like using those unless it gets really extreme)

U saying us being argumentative like its our flaw- i for one(being born and living in communist country as small kid where ppl couldnt voice their opinions, and it was punished by longtime prison sentences or worse ) think totally opposite- being argumentative is being able to think for urself, its being manly, its thinking logically and not being afraid to express it, its very good thing.
Especially for a guy, u dont wanna be sheep that follows some1 else w/o actually thinking about it(one of the reasons celebs promoting something, including politics, looks so cringe/wrong btw).

 

[RoadHazard]

While I'm definitely not a fan of pushing DEI into absolutely everything, I also smh when people cry "WOKE!" as soon as a game has a female or colored protagonist (or just someone they find unattractive). There has to be a middle ground here.

 

[Feel Like I'm On 42]

Anything less than the destruction of toxic woke/DEI ideology is not enough

How many jobs have lost due to this woke virus infecting gaming industry?!?

If you don’t hate woke/DEI, you’re part of the problem

This. How many games does it have to ruin before peopls realize there's no good that comes from it?

 

[jufonuk]

 

[delfrickintree]

This. How many games does it have to ruin before peopls realize there's no good that comes from it?

Being ahead of the game is a curse. Its going a be a while before we have satisfactory impacts. It is in motion, have faith

 

[FunkMiller]

One thing I'd definitely suggest the OP does is go back and look through the threads about Baldur's Gate 3 here on Gaf.

That game contains just as much - if not even more - 'wokeness' (whatever the fuck that actually means) as Concord, Dragon Age Veilguard, Dustborn etc.

But it is rightly regarded as being an incredibly good game here.

That's because it's well written, with good characters, and a compelling, interesting world.

If the OP does this, he'll see where the problem actually lies for a majority of the people who post on here.

 

[Feel Like I'm On 42]

While I'm definitely not a fan of pushing DEI into absolutely everything, I also smh when people cry "WOKE!" as soon as a game has a female or colored protagonist (or just someone they find unattractive). There has to be a middle ground here.

9/10 times that's because it's woke though

 

[Rockondevil]

In my decade of being a member and several years prior lurking I much prefer how GAF is now compared to anything prior.

This forum is quite free to say what you want, within reason. I dislike the woke world immensely, but you do you and voice what you want, nobody is stopping you.

 

[Wolfpact1983]

Do you want my cookie cookies?

 

[PeteBull]

While I'm definitely not a fan of pushing DEI into absolutely everything, I also smh when people cry "WOKE!" as soon as a game has a female or colored protagonist (or just someone they find unattractive). There has to be a middle ground here.

There are many examples of mediums having diverse cast and not being woke, lemme remind u of those 2 movies
Alien from 1979

Super strong, smart female protagonist but by all means 0 wokeness there.

First predator movie from 1987

Cast diverse af but even more competent and believable, add to that kevin peter hall playing predator, supertall black guy- extremly professional and nice person, he got the role not coz he was black, but coz he simply fit the role best

And even better example, old non DEI terminator2 scene:

Timeless classic- nuff said

And here from newest DEI infected terminator movie, basically same scene, they had amazing template from T2 and yet they made this artrocity:

So many years later yet worse effects, 0 hype, no feels, no nothing, just woke ideology poured into it as hard as possible

 

[Ashamam]

OP also strikes me as a 'not everything has to be political' type, i.e. a normal person. Unfortunately the people who push this stuff do not agree with you.

My observation is pretty much inline with the OP. There is definitely a trend in people seeing everything through culture war glasses. I think its just a reflection of the world, especially the US. For those of us in the middle (and not in the US) who just want to play games and admire the artform its a bit off putting to be honest. This you must belong to one side or the other is bullshit. Rational people hold mixed opinions.

 

[delfrickintree]

There are many examples of mediums having diverse cast and not being woke, lemme remind u of those 2 movies
Alien from 1979

Super strong, smart female protagonist but by all means 0 wokeness there.

First predator movie from 1987

Cast diverse af but even more competent and believable, add to that kevin peter hall playing predator, supertall black guy- extremly professional and nice person, he got the role not coz he was black, but coz he simply fit the role best

And even better example, old non DEI terminator2 scene:

Timeless classic- nuff said

And here from newest DEI infected terminator movie, basically same scene, they had amazing template from T2 and yet they made this artrocity:

So many years later yet worse effects, 0 hype, no feels, no nothing, just woke ideology poured into it as hard as possible

Alright pete you had a good run, time to ring it back. this isnt the venue for classic media versus modern. its about forum community

 

[delfrickintree]

My observation is pretty much inline with the OP. There is definitely a trend in people seeing everything through culture war glasses. I think its just a reflection of the world, especially the US. For those of us in the middle who just want to play games and admire the artform its a bit off putting to be honest. This you must belong to one side or the other is bullshit. Rational people hold mixed opinions.

ALL of the poeple who you deem as not middle, used to be middle. I dont like it either

 

[TrebleShot]

Is this because of Dragon Age?

 

[PeteBull]

Alright pete you had a good run, time to ring it back. this isnt the venue for classic media versus modern. its about forum community

Just showed u quick few examples of how "good old days" movies looked vs new woke shit, any1 can see the difference, and not for the better.
The "antiwoke" crowd is often described as worst scum of the earth by leftists clown but we actually love women and are never against diversity, just it has to be done in a proper way, using logic and it all should make sense, so exactly opposite to how its done currently.

 

[RoadHazard]

There are many examples of mediums having diverse cast and not being woke, lemme remind u of those 2 movies
Alien from 1979

Super strong, smart female protagonist but by all means 0 wokeness there.

First predator movie from 1987

Cast diverse af but even more competent and believable, add to that kevin peter hall playing predator, supertall black guy- extremly professional and nice person, he got the role not coz he was black, but coz he simply fit the role best

And even better example, old non DEI terminator2 scene:

Timeless classic- nuff said

And here from newest DEI infected terminator movie, basically same scene, they had amazing template from T2 and yet they made this artrocity:

So many years later yet worse effects, 0 hype, no feels, no nothing, just woke ideology poured into it as hard as possible

I'm not sure exactly what those Terminator differences have to do with DEI though? T2 is just an amazing movie and the other one isn't.

 

[midnightAI]

Blame this on the insanity that has infiltrated gaming over the past decade.

We always had female characters. If a game was good, people played it. Simple as that.

But corporations, DEI initiatives and greed turned many games, that could have been good, into a cesspool.

And the only ways to combat this is to 1) Do not buy the products burdened with this stuff and 2) Be vocal about these products.

But that's my point, everyone is so quick to label something as woke when it isn't. If a game truly does fit the 'woke' label then it deserves criticism (Concord is fully deserving of it).

A good example of this is (sorry to keep going on about this)... Ghost of Yotei, a game I was really excited for, the previous game being my game of the gen, watched the trailer, looks fucking awesome, came on here to discuss it and it was already being labelled Ghost of Wokey or whatever, sucked all the discussion out of what looks like an interesting change in time period, additional weapons and stances etc.

 

[midnightAI]

U saying us being argumentative like its our flaw- i for one(being born and living in communist country as small kid where ppl couldnt voice their opinions, and it was punished by longtime prison sentences or worse ) think totally opposite- being argumentative is being able to think for urself, its being manly, its thinking logically and not being afraid to express it, its very good thing.
Especially for a guy, u dont wanna be sheep that follows some1 else w/o actually thinking about it(one of the reasons celebs promoting something, including politics, looks so cringe/wrong btw).

I didn't say any of that, but carry on ranting

 

[peish]

I’ve been a longtime (lurking) member and have always appreciated this space for what it is, a forum where gamers can discuss their opinions, insights, and sometimes, their frustrations. However, I’m beginning to notice a disturbing trend here. GAF seems to be morphing more and more into an anti-woke echo chamber, and I think this shift is undermining the integrity of our community.

Let me be clear – I’m not a fan of woke ideology. Like many of you, I have my reservations about how it’s shaping the gaming industry and media at large. The trend toward more woke-friendly narratives and content in games, at times, feels forced and often detracts from the quality of the experience. Criticizing this direction in game development is valid, and these are discussions worth having.

However, what’s worrying to me is how Gaf, in its criticism of "woke" culture, is starting to mirror some of the same behavior that people criticize on another more purple coloured forum, just from the opposite side. The intolerance, aggression, and outright hostility toward other viewpoints are becoming just as prevalent here, and it’s honestly a little disheartening. The constant attacks, labeling, and echo chamber effect are alienating people who might think differently or hold a more moderate view. It's almost as if you’re either all-in with the dominant stance here or you're simply not welcome.

I wish that discussions here were moderated a bit more to promote balanced viewpoints and discourage personal attacks. I’d love to see users show more self-restraint, critical thinking, and maybe even a bit of self-reflection before posting purely emotional outbursts. We don’t all need to agree, but we do need to recognize each other’s humanity, especially when we disagree. After all, we’re all gamers here and came to this forum because we care about gaming.

Tolerance is a two-way street. Just as we criticize certain movements for pushing one-sided narratives and shutting down dissent, we need to be careful not to fall into the same trap. Tolerance means accepting that others might hold views we don’t like or agree with. It means treating others respectfully, even when we fundamentally disagree. I worry that we’re losing that here on GAF.

In the end, we’re all gamers, sharing this space to talk about a medium we care about. We don’t have to agree on every issue, but we should be able to disagree without devolving into hatred or intolerance. I hope we can steer the community back toward a more balanced and respectful discourse before it becomes something unrecognizable....

I disagree. This forums is pretty chill and moderated. It’s as good as you can get in today’s world of “modern” audiences

 

[delfrickintree]

y

I disagree. This forums is pretty chill and moderated. It’s as good as you can get in today modern forums

/thread

 

[ValiantInstance]

My observation is pretty much inline with the OP. There is definitely a trend in people seeing everything through culture war glasses. I think its just a reflection of the world, especially the US. For those of us in the middle (and not in the US) who just want to play games and admire the artform its a bit off putting to be honest. This you must belong to one side or the other is bullshit. Rational people hold mixed opinions.

Who started it though?

I'm sure we've all seen the bible bashing nutjobs in the 90s and early 00s calling Harry Potter a demonic warlock or GTA being responsible for real crimes. But these people were always a joke. This time the pearl clutchers have come from the other side of the spectrum, but they have enforced their ideas and beliefs into everything you love. And they believe it is morally correct to do so.

 

[gtabro]

So when people get together behind an idea it’s reduced down to an “echo chamber”? Have you thought that maybe if not all maybe most of these people just so happen to share the same opinion on a given problem and are not just parroting each other’s words?

 

[Gerdav]

It’s Marxism and it’s bigger than just the video game industry, allowing this cancer to spread will quite literally lead to the end of western democracy as we know it, this is a interview from 1983 with a KGB defector who is describing what’s happening today in perfect detail, ignoring it is not a option if you value freedom.

 

[LeftThumbstick]

The anti-woke are the bane of humanity’s existence. I just picture a fedora wearing edgelord whenever I see the comments.

It has driven me away from gaming, politics destroys everything it touches.

 

[pudel]

OP, pick your poison. An echo chamber where everyone can say what he wants or an echo chamber where only the "correct opinion" (<- lol) is allowed. Easy choice for me.

 

[kyussman]

Tolerance is a two-way street

Thing is,there are some things I won't tolerate,the mutilation of childrens bodies in the name of perverted ideologies is one of them.Comparing this place to resetera is nuts,interacting with the average person on here despite their views it's obvious they are pretty normal.....resetera is full of actual nutters and communists.Fuck that place.This forum is fine,there are plenty of people defending the Dragon Age game despite it's disgusting gender ideology bullshit,and they are allowed to do so even if I think it's fucking gross,lol.

 

[Shifty1897]

OP isn't wrong, we all need to try to be a little more accepting of others, especially when it costs nothing to do so. A little more "in the middle", a little less "ResetEra but in the opposite direction".

 

[PeteBull]

I'm not sure exactly what those Terminator differences have to do with DEI though? T2 is just an amazing movie and the other one isn't.

The difference is, and i keep saying it about many modern games too- when ur top priority is to push woke agenda, then making highest quality product is distant meaningless goal, thats usually the reason most(to not say almost all) products like that are of bad quality.

When making games or commercial movies(entertainment in general) top priority should always be making product of highest quality, when its not the case we experience what we experience nowadays with modern holywood movies or games made for "modern audience" aka for nobody- huge drop in products quality.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

It's just the exact opposite of Era. Lol

I don't really see much difference, so OP has a point.