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[RonaldoSan]

I don't hope we will see a third world war. When the first nuke is launched, every crazy leader in the world will rush to the panic room and start pushing buttons.

Albert Einstein:

"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."

 

[Guileless]

There will be no "world war" in our lifetimes. Who would fight it? For the first time in history, a majority of the world's population lives in democracies of some stripe. Democracies don't fight each other.

The remaining holdouts can certainly cause a lot of trouble through WMD, but who is going to ally with North Korea or Iran in a fight against the current world order? Nobody.

There won't be a world war without some drastic global reordering that we can't predict right now (or have any reason to expect). So relax and write songs about kittens and flowers.

 

[Socreges]

There will be no "world war" in our lifetimes. Who would fight it? For the first time in history, a majority of the world's population lives in democracies of some stripe. Democracies don't fight each other.

If that holds any water, then it requires that these states fit the ideal. Russia and China, for instance, do not. So, thank God for economic integration. But in the future (even in a few decades), we may have economic blocs that are sharply distinguished, and that would be dangerous.

I think it's silly to think another World War is inevitable in our lifetimes, but so is thinking there isn't a chance of one.

 

[yoshifumi]

GEOPOLITICAL CLIMATE LET ME BIZARRELY MISINTERPRET YOU

:lol:lol

 

[AssMan]

So what? We got Stankonia on our side. They're willing to drop even more bombs over Bagdad.

 

[Fresh Prince]

:lol

It reads like drug-induced slam poetry. Although the song is pretty awesome. So... who's going to lay it down?

:lol Jeff Downs for the beat, TBS for the the vocals and Kinesis as the ghost writer.
Now who's going to be the video hoe?

 

[Inumaru]

I'm kinda new here...KiNeSiS is someone's joke character, right? I mean, this can't be real... :lol

If not, there's a new think tank in the making here; KiNeSiS is its leader.

 

[Dagless M.D.]

I hear Russia and China teamed up

The only time I've seen this story reported was in the weekly world news... THE WEEKLY WORLD NEWS

 

[KiNeSiS]

I'm kinda new here...KiNeSiS is someone's joke character, right? I mean, this can't be real... :lol

If not, there's a new think tank in the making here; KiNeSiS is its leader.

Word on the streets is the only joke character is in your pants Son!
I hope anthrax spores eat at your insides and the searing wounds cause a painful demise!!

If you turn these serious concerns into a song.
I will have my goons stomp you in pools of blood vomit and your own piss!
Then I will sue and rob ya'll out of house and home!

 

[Inumaru]

Word on the streets is the only joke character is in your pants Son!
I hope anthrax spores eat at your insides and the searing wounds cause a painful demise!!

If you turn these serious concerns into a song.
I will have my goons stomp you in pools of blood vomit and your own piss!
Then I will sue and rob ya'll out of house and home!

OK, OK! I get it! Definitely a joke character.

And this guy is definitely white as snow. What brotha from the 'hood threatens to have his goons "stomp you in pools of blood vomit" and then threatens to sue? :lol

Oh, I almost missed the fact that "sue" is followed by robbing me out of house and home.
Please stop! You're killing me!

 

[Drozmight]

Once the world war three is over, I want Kinesis to write history.

 

[EviLore]

Word on the streets is the only joke character is in your pants Son

:lol OWNED!

 

[Fresh Prince]

Word on the streets is the only joke character is in your pants Son!
I hope anthrax spores eat at your insides and the searing wounds cause a painful demise!!

If you turn these serious concerns into a song.
I will have my goons stomp you in pools of blood vomit and your own piss!
Then I will sue and rob ya'll out of house and home!

Calm down dude it's not that serious :lol

 

[KiNeSiS]

You ignorant fuck.
What's race have to do with anything.

I didn't point out the fact that your a japanophile.
When your obviously white as rice but see that shit doesn't matter to me.

 

[cvxfreak]

World War III would involve the world.

Holy shit that's scary.

 

[KiNeSiS]

World War III would involve the world.

Holy shit that's scary.

See now you all are starting to realise how tension is building.
I sense this in my lifetime.
Oh well....

 

[Inumaru]

:lol OWNED!

"Owned", indeed. My, you're easily impressed aren't you? My mental image of you just dropped 15 years.

Once the world war three is over, I want Kinesis to write history.

Hell yeah, I'd buy that! This is definitely the thread of the day, thanks for the entertainment, Kinesis. :lol

Ps- OMFG Japan rulez Hello Kitty will pwn you all!! :lol

 

[Drozmight]

:lol :lol :lol

I like how you just stopped it with an Oh well...

 

[android]

Democracies don't fight each other

revolutionary war
civil war
war 0f 1812
i believe some of the indian/pakistani wars
And really do you think not being a democracy will stop Bush from attacking someone. :lol

 

[SD-Ness]

Bush sure doesn't make America look any better by spending $40 million for an inauguration party when you're fighting a war. Not to mention there's thousands upon thousands of people dying from the tsunami aftermath.

The government didn't pay that money. It was donated by big companies.

 

[Boogie]

revolutionary war
civil war
war 0f 1812
i believe some of the indian/pakistani wars
And really do you think not being a democracy will stop Bush from attacking someone. :lol

The theory is actually that liberal democracies do not go to war against each other.

American Revolutionary war-- Britain wasn't really much of a democracy in the 18th Century. And it was a revolutionary war, there was no "Democratic American state" that was fighting Britain.

war of 1812. against, Britain's suffrage was still very limited, I believe. As was the United States' at that point, but I'm less sure of that.

India/pakistani : Don't know nearly enough about Pakistan's or India's domestic situation during their wars, can't comment, but I'm sure the "liberal" qualifier still applies.

 

[EviLore]

"Owned", indeed. My, you're easily impressed aren't you? My mental image of you just dropped 15 years.

Quite the obnoxious one, eh? Realize that even if you consider KiNeSiS to be a joke character, he's still gained a moral victory out of this by drawing so much of your faux applause.

 

[KiNeSiS]

Quite the obnoxious one, eh? Realize that even if you consider KiNeSiS to be a joke character, he's still gained a moral victory out of this by drawing so much of your faux applause.

I don't mind if some cornballs view me as a joke character on a messageboard.
The real Character gets pussy that guy makes up for lack of pussy by engaging in online arguments.
A false sense of power for the powerless.
It's easy to taunt and insult from the safety of a glowing monitor behind a desk.

 

[bishoptl]

Yo K-Dawg you tell that mofo.

 

[Fifty]

I like your raps and all
Kinesis
But you should try a little bit
To rhyme
sorry dawg but that is so

 

[Inumaru]

Quite the obnoxious one, eh? Realize that even if you consider KiNeSiS to be a joke character, he's still gained a moral victory out of this by drawing so much of your faux applause.

Isolated use of the word "Owned" qualifies as obnoxious to me, to be honest.

And I didn't realize there was a moral battle being fought here; I'm not sure how being amused by a possible joke character qualifies as being a participant in one.

If I was, however, I'd like think that threats of violence would count against you...

Regardless, lighten up. Not sure why you're taking this so seriously, it certainly wasn't meant to cause the angst it obviously has. My apologies if I was overly sensitive though, EviLore. No harm intended.

Anyway, it's Friday, and my cocktail flag is up! Have a great weekend peeps.

 

[android]

Okay under the liberal democracy fighting each other, your right. But back to the 'democracies don't fight each other' statement. Democracies wouldn't need to start a World War. There are one billion Muslims in the world under oppresive democracies, if not dictatorships, not to mention China with their 1.3 billion people and North Korea and Africa. A world war doesn't need America or other liberal nations to start it. God knows America sat on it's butts for what six of the ten years of in both World Wars. Europe isn't where a world war would be fought.

Ps did I spell democracies right?

 

[ToxicAdam]

WWIII will be great ... that way they can make WWIII FPS games ... I am bored of the WWII ones.

 

[Boogie]

Okay under the liberal democracy fighting each other, your right. But back to the 'democracies don't fight each other' statement. Democracies wouldn't need to start a World War. There are one billion Muslims in the world under oppresive democracies, if not dictatorships, not to mention China with their 1.3 billion people and North Korea and Africa. A world war doesn't need America or other liberal nations to start it. God knows America sat on it's butts for what six of the ten years of in both World Wars. Europe isn't where a world war would be fought.

Ps did I spell democracies right?

Yes, you have 1.3 billion Chinese. Yes you have a billion Muslims. But you still have to think about who could conceivably fight who.

Just because you have a billion muslims doesn't make them a politically united group. ie. Iran would be more likely to fight Iraq than cooperate with it.

China? At the moment, China has more to gain by cooperatin economically with the West than competing with them. Although that can change, it doesn't seem likely for a while.

North Korea is a threat, but not for any world-scale war, IMO. They have a few nukes, and a few missiles to launch them, but not enough to prevent themselves from being smashed into the stoneage in retaliation. And no one is about to come to their defence in such a scenario.

Africa is just plain messed up. There is never going to be a major war fought over/about Africa.

I think Kobun Heat actually summed up the issue best with his crack in the beginning of the thread.

 

[Sirpopopop]

The theory is actually that liberal democracies do not go to war against each other.

American Revolutionary war-- Britain wasn't really much of a democracy in the 18th Century. And it was a revolutionary war, there was no "Democratic American state" that was fighting Britain.

war of 1812. against, Britain's suffrage was still very limited, I believe. As was the United States' at that point, but I'm less sure of that.

India/pakistani : Don't know nearly enough about Pakistan's or India's domestic situation during their wars, can't comment, but I'm sure the "liberal" qualifier still applies.

Pakistan is unsure whether it's a democracy or a dictatorship, depends on the time of day I guess...

Well... that's the best way to describe the political situation there from my perspective. Azih will probably give you a bigger account. In any case, I'm 100% certain the main point you made in your post about the two countries is correct.

 

[EviLore]

Aww, you're leaving? I'd like to continue baiting you.

Isolated use of the word "Owned" qualifies as obnoxious to me, to be honest.

Some have the luxury.

And I didn't realize there was a moral battle being fought here; I'm not sure how being amused by a possible joke character qualifies as being a participant in one.

Basic interpretational skills -1.

Regardless, lighten up.

First you belittle me for laughing at a joke, then I need to lighten up? Moody junior members these days.

Anyway, it's Friday, and my cocktail flag is up! Have a great weekend peeps

Cue the affirmation that you have a social life. KiNeSiS's jabs hurt a bit, maybe?

 

[Socreges]

For the record, if you laughed at that and said "OWNED!" to me, especially since it wasn't all that spectacular, I'd take that as more of an insult than you genuinely finding it LOL funny.

Just providing my perspective!

 

[EviLore]

Socreges: that wasn't the desired effect? I'm just fucking with the new recruit, let me have my fun ;b

 

[Mike]

There's something wrong with the world today
I don't know what it is
Something's wrong with our eyes

We're seeing things in a different way
And God knows it ain't His
It sure ain't no surprise
(YA!)

(Chorus)

We're livin' on the edge
We're livin' on the edge
We're livin' on the edge
We're livin' on the edge

God bless you, Aerosmith.

 

[Inumaru]

Thanks to Socreges for the moral support in this, my first GAF battle. ^_~

To EviLore: Junior Member hazing effect noted and humbly accepted.

Oh, and in case you think Kinesis's comments didn't hurt a bit, I had to drive home to make my cocktail, sit myself in front of my computer screen, and type this.

And you thought I was talking about my social life. Real drinkers drink alone! And they like it!

 

[Stele]

The sovie union and china were never good friends. Soviet Communism != Chinese communism no matter how much the soviet union wanted it to. Now Russia is democratic, and China is a free market communist nation. Never say never but in an actual war we really dont have competition, Europe is a joke, Russia is too poor, and China doesnt have to go to war, everyone in the world gives them money and invests in their economy. And its not like russia is dying to get at us, if any nation was to fire the first shot it WOULD be us thanks to our moron president. Even then i dont see anything in the near future that would bring the entire world into war, all the major players are in the same UN allaince. All the major companies of the world are making money from the global market. Its not like when Japan needed our oil to make their empire, or when germany was getting fucked in the ass because of the Versailes treaty. We arent isolationists anymore, we run this shit. And we are in turn run by countries that bought our bonds and can flood the market with our money to keep us in check. The next frontier space is going to need a global effort, really cant do that if the world was torn apart by war.

This is like the quintessential simpleton's view of the world.

For the first time in history, a majority of the world's population lives in democracies of some stripe. Democracies don't fight each other.

Democracies like the Democratic Republic of Korea, People's Republic of China, the one-party democracies of Japan and Singapore, and the chauvinist Hindu pseudo-democracy of India.

 

[android]

But you still have to think about who could conceivably fight who.

Okay. How about the worlds most disputed area. Kashmir. Nuclear India vs Nuclear Pakistan. And if I remember correctly, Russia has always been supportive of one while China supports the other. America seems to support them both. But right there you have a conflict which could engulf Asia and at the beginning threatens what? 1.5-3 billion people

As far as the Muslim peoples, they are more united than you think. In the end leaderships and governments mean nothing. If more mullahs start calling for a holy war against the west, alot of people will go. Look at Afganistan when the Russians invaded or Iraq right now. Now imagine if Bush attacks Syria, Iran and Lebanon on the ground of fighting terrorism. How do you think the people of Saudia Arbia, Eygpt, and Pakistan and Indonesia will feel, especially with radical clerics and Osama Bin Laden telling them the 'Great Satan' is trying to destroy Islam. Zarqawi went from a pretender to a major terrorist leader in Iraq and the world. Osama bin Laden's rise is no different. If the Neo-Con's get their full wish of a 'cleansing' of terrorist elements in the Middle East, it might not be a World War, but alot of people on both sides will die. Hell a lot of people have already died.

Now I'm not saying I think there will be another World War. I'm just throwing out scenarios which could lead to one. In fact with communication links getting faster and travel time getting shorter (or already shortened) I think we are far more likely to have a united world government, sometime in the next couple hundred years.

 

[Boogie]

Democracies like the Democratic Republic of Korea, People's Republic of China, the one-party democracies of Japan and Singapore, and the chauvinist Hindu pseudo-democracy of India.

Yeah, but just because they call themselves a "Democratic Republic" doesn't make it so

 

[Stele]

Android, if you're going to draw conclusions, you should at least keep up with current events -- India and Pakistan have had a 14-month ceasefire.

 

[Stele]

Yeah, but just because they call themselves a "Democratic Republic" doesn't make it so

Most of the world do not live in democracies -- not even close. That was my point.

 

[android]

India and Pakistan have had a 14-month ceasefire.

:lol a ceasefire. Between India and Pakistan. That will last :lol

 

[Boogie]

Okay. How about the worlds most disputed area. Kashmir. Nuclear India vs Nuclear Pakistan. And if I remember correctly, Russia has always been supportive of one while China supports the other. America seems to support them both. But right there you have a conflict which could engulf Asia and at the beginning threatens what? 1.5-3 billion people

Umm, no. See, I think you're really simplifying things by saying "Russia sides with these guys, China sides with these guys, therefore its a recipe for WORLD WAR".

India and Pakistan is an interesting situation because it is a conflict between two nuclear powers in which the vital interests of no other major power is deeply involved. Yes, you might be able to say that China would be interested, but enough to step into a shooting war between Pakistan and India? I highly doubt it.

As far as the Muslim peoples, they are more united than you think. In the end leaderships and governments mean nothing. If more mullahs start calling for a holy war against the west, alot of people will go. Look at Afganistan when the Russians invaded or Iraq right now. Now imagine if Bush attacks Syria, Iran and Lebanon on the ground of fighting terrorism. How do you think the people of Saudia Arbia, Eygpt, and Pakistan and Indonesia will feel, especially with radical clerics and Osama Bin Laden telling them the 'Great Satan' is trying to destroy Islam. Zarqawi went from a pretender to a major terrorist leader in Iraq and the world. Osama bin Laden's rise is no different. If the Neo-Con's get their full wish of a 'cleansing' of terrorist elements in the Middle East, it might not be a World War, but alot of people on both sides will die. Hell a lot of people have already died.

I'm sorry, but no. The Muslim world is not monolithic. Indonesia isn't going to go on an anti-American rampage upon an American attack on Iran. Mullahs have been calling for a Holy War already, you don't see muslim nations going to war against the States, do you? Notice which side Pakistan jumped to after 9/11? When the Mullahs say "jump", most muslim gov'ts say "sod off".

 

[Boogie]

Most of the world do not live in democracies -- not even close. That was my point.

Well, I would say that it is close. But then, I'd say that India is a democracy, whereas you expressed some skepticism at that idea. But it's not that important, and I don't think we should start nitpicking about such minor details.

 

[APerfectCircle]

"counting bodies like sheep to the rhythm of the war drums"
None of us are gunna know if there is going to be a world war 3, i don't think any country is going to be willing to tell america before they attack them.
it's kinda ironic america talking about weapons of mass destruction, who i would think would have the most of any country.
hopefully Australia will start staying out of these wars, our boomerangs aint gunna save us :S

 

[Fresh Prince]

hopefully Australia will start staying out of these wars, our boomerangs aint gunna save us :S

If anything we'll probably be the first to be attacked :lol :\

 

[Boogie]

"counting bodies like sheep to the rhythm of the war drums"
None of us are gunna know if there is going to be a world war 3, i don't think any country is going to be willing to tell america before they attack them.

Yeah, because World War I and II came out of nowhere

 

[Stele]

Android, your scenario for Kashmir is flawed because you are overestimating China's interest in South Asia, ignorant of China's approach to global ascension (peaceful rise for the moment -- vigorous internal development for the foreseeable future and no hegemonic adventures), and way overestimating Russia's obligations and influence toward its former dependencies (such as India), or its capability of doing anything even if it wanted. Russia can't even prevent the American-manipulated "regime changes" in Ukraine and Georgia right at its belly, and China is only interested in preserving the status quo with Taiwan until it completely overwhelms the island economically in about ten years time.

 

[Socreges]

Democracy is such a pretty word.

 

[android]

m sorry, but no. The Muslim world is not monolithic. Indonesia isn't going to go on an anti-American rampage upon an American attack on Iran. Mullahs have been calling for a Holy War already, you don't see muslim nations going to war against the States, do you? Notice which side Pakistan jumped to after 9/11? When the Mullahs say "jump", most muslim gov'ts say "sod off".

I don't want to start World War Three here, but you didn't read my post. The Islmaic government's didn't do anything in Afganistan or Chehnya or Iraq. It was the Jihadi's. A world war doesn't have to involve nations. Paramilitary groups and terrorists can cause more damage, death and destruction than any government. Look at Rwanda, Cambodia and the Sudan. Look at the current front in the war on terror, Iraq. Roving bands of resistance fighters are killing tens of people everyday. And I highly doubt it's going to end come Jan. 30. A large majority of these people came from outside Iraq. Why? Because they felt they had been called to arms in defence of Islam and one of her most holy areas. What will happen if Bush get a idea in his puny head that Iran had nukes, or Syria has Anthrax. How do you think the people there will feel? How would you feel,if you saw your neighbour country and religious brothers attacked?

Once again I'll state I think it is unlikely world war will happen. But do we really need one to feel the effects. More people have died in conflicts around the world, whether directly or indirectly(landmines, bombing civilians) since the Second World War, than those two wars combined.

 

[Boogie]

Android, your scenario for Kashmir is flawed because you are overestimating China's interest in South Asia, igorant of China's approach to global ascension (peaceful rise for the moment -- vigorous internal development for the foreseeable future and no hegemonic adventures), and way overestimating Russia's obligations and influence toward its former dependencies (such as India), or its capability of doing anything even if it wanted. Russia can't even prevent the American-manipulated "regime changes" in Ukraine and Georgia right at its belly, and China is only interested in preserving the status quo with Taiwan until it completely overwhelms the island economically in about ten years time.

Nice assessment. I was too lazy to do a good explanation myself.