jm89
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Because it's not on PS4.
In 2025 there is still just as many active PS4's than there are Xbox Series consoles in homes. PS4 will be 12 years old in November.
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Ar¢tos
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Sorry, I thought you were listing current gen only games that are GOOD, not all of them.
SILKYSMOOTH30FPS
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Who is talking about pc gpu's? I am talking about the performance of the system as a whole.
SILKYSMOOTH30FPS
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All Steam Survey will show you are one game andys that play nothing but CS and Dota. You don't need any kind of relevant hardware to play these relitcs, and that's exactly why the average has such low end rigs.
Heisenberg007
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And the fact that so many player are happily playing games on PS4 still yet again proves that "performance" is an overrated thing for most gamers.
Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
Its only now that cross gen releases see PS4 drop from its usual 1080p30. But if you bought it or XBO in November 2013, you still got Atomfall, Black Ops 7, Splitgate 2 and PS4 got The Finals. Or any of Nightdives work
Heck, i haul ass on a PS4 Pro. I still bought Atomfall because its so enticing playing these things on old HW, even tho my PS4 Pro is still kinda okay HW wise.
Heck, i haul ass on a PS4 Pro. I still bought Atomfall because its so enticing playing these things on old HW, even tho my PS4 Pro is still kinda okay HW wise.
SILKYSMOOTH30FPS
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"Most gamers" includes the ultra casuals that play nothing but Warzone once of twice a week while drinking some Corona Light. Why should i, or somebody else cares if they're OK with sub 30fps gaming? Those are not people that take their hobby even remotely seriously, it's just a thing they do on the side.
Heisenberg007
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And? What does that matter?
They still represent the "majority of gamers." We're the niche - the hardcore gamers. They are not the niche.
Why should they care if you're not okay with 30 FPS gaming?
Besides, why is that a point of concern for you? If people are happily enjoying 30 FPS gaming, what's the issue here?
SILKYSMOOTH30FPS
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Because when the main demographic left on the system are people that can't even tell the difference between 22 and 60fps, this "ps4 is still super active" is not impressive at all. I am not concerned about anything, or anybody, just saying that i, as someone who cares about the visuals and performance of a game, would never be able to stick to this 12y old console. It's like the PS2 being used as a dvd player for years after the 7th gen has began, and people bragging about the ps2 still being "active" after all those years later. Nothing impressive here.
Heisenberg007
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Everyone has different circumstances, bro. Not everybody can afford $2,000 gaming PCs, especially if they are not a hardcore gamer.
It's a good thing that they have a very affordable option where they can play games at reasonable performance levels.
Wow, who would have thought that a console manufacturer releasing a cross-gen exclusive would delay the migration to the new generation?
If games like Horizon Forbiden West were PS5 exclusives, people might have already switched.
The casual user simply saw the beginning of Sony's crossgen generation and thought "I'm going to stick with the PS4" and never changed his mind...
If games like Horizon Forbiden West were PS5 exclusives, people might have already switched.
The casual user simply saw the beginning of Sony's crossgen generation and thought "I'm going to stick with the PS4" and never changed his mind...
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Pretending that around 40 million isn't a active ecosystem when devs are happily still supporting it & even going back porting current generation games to it now is crazy.
Mr Reasonable
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Around 40m is a dead system that nobody will develop for, starting any second now, according to a few of Neogaf's most prolific posters.
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One big difference is that PS4 games are also playable on the 80 million PS5's so that's actually a 120 million active user-base when you make a PS4 game.Around 40m is a dead system that nobody will develop for, starting any second now, according to a few of Neogaf's most prolific posters.
Tobimacoss
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Difference is 40 million users on outdated hardware.Around 40m is a dead system that nobody will develop for, starting any second now, according to a few of Neogaf's most prolific posters.
Roufianos
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Which devs are happily supporting? What AAA games this year are releasing on PS4 besides Yakuza and Nightreign? All it is are ports, sports and indie games. You do realise PS3 and 360 also got similar support until 2018?
Who's going back and porting? Jedi Survivor is an outlier and a failed experiment at that.
Tony Hawk sold 5% of launch sales on PS4 in the UK. Piscatella said last year that Xbone and PS4 versions were under 10% of total sales. Those 40 million are kids and casuals. Almost all of the core game buying audience are on PS5.
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They also went back & ported the Finals to PS4.
PS4 is getting lots of games right now too many to even name
ChorizoPicozo
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Is helldivers 2 on PS4?
Roufianos
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So why don't you name me some prominent upcoming AAA releases?
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Are you slow or something? Why are you trying to make it about certain games? The point is devs are steadily making games for PS4.
The games don't have to fit your criteria
MikeM
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Is the PS4 population that much higher than PS5?
Also, Cerney stated 75% of PS5s run perf mode.
This is fairly normal for Playstation.
As you note - PS2 sold 60M post 360 launch - ie. beating LTD of every XBox other than 360, in just the period of 'nexgen' it was on the market.
PS1 sold over 30M after PS2 launched - making it the second best selling console of the PS2 generation (ie. it beat DC, GC and XBox during the time they were all on the market together).
I don't think active users can be directly compared because after consoles went online proper with 360 generation, the tail changed significantly on that. So I'm pretty sure PS4 is the first of its kind in that respect (it's also current record holder for most software sold of any console by significant margin - including the PS2).
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Yeah I know it's no way of knowing the active user base of the older consoles other than new software sales from games that released on the platform in the twilight years.
I try to think back to 2011 - 2012 but I can't picture as many PS2 games releasing like what's happening now with PS4 . This would also be around 2018 for PS3 .
YeulEmeralda
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But is that a game that requires the power of a PS5?
Roufianos
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Oh I'm sorry for imposing a super niche criteria of AAA releases - not like they're the bedrock of a thriving ecosystem or anything
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Yep something is wrong upstairs.
We are talking about a console in its 12th year
Like I said it's too many games to even name being released on PS4
Are you too young or naive? Because hardware perfomance on console is a minor factor to sell well.
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SILKYSMOOTH30FPS
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Dumb question, and has nothing to do with what i originally said. Does selling well means that the system is great, or what are you even implying?
I'm not implying anything. I'm just saying console sales aren't tied to the hardware perfomance but more about the games offer.
SILKYSMOOTH30FPS
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Of course not. I never said that it was either.
But when those same games run and look much better on a newer system, sticking to something that was released in 2013 is ridiculous UNLESS you can't purchase the newest product. For example, i know for a fact that in Brazil a shitload of people are still on ps3's and ps4's because they can't get a ps5, it's too expensive. And i would assume there are many other regions like that, where people still use last gen systems because they have no choice. And when you take that into consideration, millions still using the ps4 almost 13 years since it was released ain't impressive at all, because if they could get a ps5, they would have years ago.
Or probably such people are fine to the ps4 performance and doesn't care to spend more for the ps5 improvement? Couldn't be not impressive to you but hold around 40 milions of users in such dated hardware it's not bad for the company.
SILKYSMOOTH30FPS
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When you have no choice, yes, you're fine with it, you take what's given and deal with it. If they had a choice, there isn't a single person that would take a system from 2013 over one from 2020, it makes zero sense.
You are really very obtuse.
kazuyamishima
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There's a high chance of upgrade from PS4 players to PS5 or even PS6 with the right pricing/current games only.
SILKYSMOOTH30FPS
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Why? I want to hear your reasoning.
Because what you think is logic it's just a personal convinction. If for such people the ps4 performance are fine you can't argue otherwise against them.
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SILKYSMOOTH30FPS
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It doesn't matter if the performance is fine or not, they simply have no ways of ugrading the system. What you're suggesting is something i could see being a thing for the first year or two after the ps5 was released, but we're almost half a decade into this generation, that is a lot of time. Those same people are most likely gonna be using a ps4 even when the ps6 launches in 2027. Do you think that's because they don't feel like an upgrade is warranted?
Roufianos
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Aren't you the one who made this retarded thread trying to claim PS4 had 'dominated' Xbox Series? Why is it then that AAA devs are supporting Xbox Series and not PS4?
Then you claim that devs are 'happily supporting' PS4 and it's an 'active ecosystem' yet get all defensive 'oh it's a 12 year console' when asked to name some upcoming AAA releases. Well, if it's a 12 year old console don't make a dumb ass thread about how it's 'dominating' then.
Just admit you don't know shit and made a fucking stupid console war bait thread for attention.
40m active users doesn't mean shit when a release only earns 5% of total sales. Shame you're not capable of anything more than surface level analysis. I'd call you dumb but based on your console war bait, you're only 12 so perhaps there's hope for you yet.
By the way all these ports and indies are still coming to Xbox One also, guess that's also an active ecosystem according to you? The reason I mentioned AAA devs, aside from the fact that they're the fucking lifeblood of the industry, is that they have to actually scale their games to PS4, so the fact that they're not willing to shows the sales are not worth the resources. An indie coming to PS4 doesn't mean shit because the game could probably also run on a $100 phone - there's no reason not to release it on last gen as no optimisation is required.
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You can't know lol. There are many pc gamers with terrible rig and they are absolutely fine with opinable games performance. You just live too much in your bubble of convinctions.
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BlackTron
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Wait until you hear how many people are still on Sega Genesis.
The simple ability to run the game is the first 95% of feature. People have bigger priorities than upgrading to Bluray to watch the same movie, to Ferrari to run the same commute, or to PS5 to play the same game. You're the one who sounds ridiculous imposing your priority system that everyone should automatically want a marginal upgrade of the same item.
At this point it's kind of the same reason Indies support PS4/X1. It's low-cost enough that it makes no sense not to release it, despite low returns.
And of course they also know rather well where 'their' active users are, so then it's cost vs. benefit - if 5% sales earn a profit on the port costs, it still happens.
Hell we got Hogwarts on Switch 1 and that took some effort.
I don't think it's that simple. These long tails are fed by the very incremental nature of hw evolution now. It was much easier to see what made PS2 different from PS1 - we've long since lost that, and this is just another way consoles have become like PCs.
You're upset about facts even Sony said PS5 is just recently over taking PS4 active user-base
You came up with the stupid AAA stuff just to have a dumb argument.
SILKYSMOOTH30FPS
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When the ps4 was released, i watched a few vids showing on how the ps2 was still huge in Brazil. All those people who used one in 2014-2015 couldn't afford anything newer.
What i am saying is just common sense, and this has been the case for generation of consoles. If we could confirm the amount of ps4 usage by region, you would instantly see that it's primarily used in countries where tech is much harder to acquire than in NA or EU.
Crayon
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Good lord. Plenty of people who could buy a PS5 for $500 are actively choosing the PS4 they already have for $0. Then they do something else with the $500. Is this making sense yet?
Fluffytheterrible
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Absolutely not. But there are new games (atelier series) that were clearly made with newer tech in mind that still release on ps4.