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In The Dark Knight, would it have been better if Katie Holmes stayed on as Rachel?
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Chuck Norris
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It was better seeing Maggie die
GodParticle
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She can't act, holmes
neoism
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There's a deleted scene where he does exactly that and leaves by van.
This would be a still from it I think
the only thing i hate about nolans joker and TDK movie is their wasnt enough of him... the movie needed about 10-20 minutes more of joker...FlashbladeGAF
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Would have made the death scene more impactful considering you would have thought Batman would find a way to save her
CosmicGroinPull
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Yeah, wouldn't have really mattered, but I prefer Maggie slightly more.
Though yes, Bale's chemistry with her sucked. Again, didn't matter.
Though yes, Bale's chemistry with her sucked. Again, didn't matter.
Basileus777
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Gyllenhaal was underwhelming and had no chemistry with her romantic interests, but a lot of that comes from how poorly written her character was in TDK.
Guerrillas in the Mist
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I think Nolan generally struggles to write good material for women in his movies. Carrie-Anne Moss' character in Memento is probably one of the few exceptions.
OrlanisWorks
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I very much disliked Maggie Gyllenhaal. I thought she was awful and that her character in the movie was generally awful. Should've died a lot sooner in the movie.
Katie Holmes would've provided consistency, and that's enough for me to have preferred her to remain in the role.
Katie Holmes would've provided consistency, and that's enough for me to have preferred her to remain in the role.
Yeah, it's pretty apparent he doesn't give a fuck about it.
Jason Frost
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The Joker is crazy, that's why he said that.
That is pretty much true. Even in The Prestige the women are pretty much throwaway characters who are barely peripheral to the two main leads.
True Savior
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It would have been better if Maggie was in Begins.
Yes, I do think it would have been best if Katie stayed.
I couldn't see Maggie as Rachel as Katie had already played her. Didn't work with continuity in the same story.
Just like I still can't look at Don cheadle in the role of Rhodey in the iron man/avengers movies when I know it should be Terrence Howard there continuing the role. Just damages the consistency.
I couldn't see Maggie as Rachel as Katie had already played her. Didn't work with continuity in the same story.
Just like I still can't look at Don cheadle in the role of Rhodey in the iron man/avengers movies when I know it should be Terrence Howard there continuing the role. Just damages the consistency.
way more
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20-40 minutes of him in transpo for sure. Just to show how he was making his way around this city. It was a gaping plot hole at the very least.
Night Hunter
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Sexist an generally stupid comments aside, whatever, but I cannot let this comment slide
The Honourable Woman, breh ...
hugocésar;171639932 said:
The Honourable Woman, breh ...
AgentLampshade
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I wish her character was replaced by Tommy Elliot instead and he and Bruce could have drunken lad nights out together.
And set up a much better final film.
Napalm_Frank
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I don't remember anything of either performance
peanutbutterlatte
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The completely unintentional comic timing when she says "Everything's going to be alr-" then gets turned into barbecue 2 seconds later would still remain.
As would Eckhart's unintentionally hilarious "RACHELLLLL RACHELLL RACCCCCHEEEELL AAAAAAAAAH"
As would Eckhart's unintentionally hilarious "RACHELLLLL RACHELLL RACCCCCHEEEELL AAAAAAAAAH"
way more
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Yeah, very unintentional. It's not like they planned it that way for months.
peanutbutterlatte
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Bucket Mouse
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Maggie is the better actress but I would have preferred Katie in the role for the sake of continuity.
With the benefit of hindsight, I also think the Harvey Dent character should have been in BB too, even in a small role as Bruce's friend.
With the benefit of hindsight, I also think the Harvey Dent character should have been in BB too, even in a small role as Bruce's friend.
This. That was the most jarring part.
Netherscourge
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The character in general was boring and annoying.
Maggie's performance was more dramatic, though. Katie seemes less... mature?
Maggie's performance was more dramatic, though. Katie seemes less... mature?
True Savior
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Are you Michael Bay or some hollywood casting director ?
That's such a sexist remark. I dont find Maggie very attractive , but she's also not unattractive. Bruce Wayne isnt a billionaire fighting over some beautiful maiden . He has affection for the friend whom he grown up with and knows his true face. Harvey works with her , generating a normal bond between them.
She's a good actress. She acts confident , trustful , yet unable to believe that Bruce will ever stop being Bat's . She does a good job.
Yeah my brain doesn't accept it. Her behaviors totally different in TDK. I also would have felt more sting seeing her with Harvey Dent while Bruce couldn't be with her. But alas I'm like "who fucking cares bruce, we've never seen that girl in our life".
That part did work well. She really felt at a loss for words. But then Bruce saving Katie Holmes Rachel would have felt more at stake the "then you'll love me'.
That part did work well. She really felt at a loss for words. But then Bruce saving Katie Holmes Rachel would have felt more at stake the "then you'll love me'.
Takamura-San
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Well, this case is a little different though. I heard the new guy did great.
Nah. The role was pretty weakly written in both films I thought but Maggie at least brought some acting chops and tried to force life into the character. Holmes tried too but doesn't have the acting chops to make nearly as much of an impression.
Honestly though the role was really written in both more as a narrative and thematic device vs an actual character. Meryl Streep couldn't have done much with it in her prime IMHO.
Honestly though the role was really written in both more as a narrative and thematic device vs an actual character. Meryl Streep couldn't have done much with it in her prime IMHO.
Nah, smart move from Nolan. Always leave them wanting for more.
WTF?
Anyways, both women are quality actors and would have been fine playing the role in either of the movies. The problem was the role itself - just more damsel in distress BS. Women aren't trophies to be fought over. Shame that such an otherwise fine movie decided to reinforce that stupid trope.
This is probably closest to the truth.
PHOENIXZERO
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"Mad Money" always sounded like a PR excuse, she probably wasn't coming back regardless because of how unhappy certain people supposedly were with her performance on top of what happened when she was on the Begins promotional tour.
I don't think a movie has the ability to alter your fucked up sense of humor
Rabbi_Vole
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Because Terrance Howard demanded more money to fuel his Rocky Road addiction.
No, he's spot on. Pointing out that someone isn't attractive and doesn't fit a role doesn't make you a sexist.
YesNOnoNOYes
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Tangentially, doesn't the men cast in superhero movie usually has better chemistry between each other anyway? Especially since most of the important roles are usually men heavy, except for the token love interest role.
:x
peanutbutterlatte
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Scorpion Soldier
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Would've preferred a different actress all together TBH. Katie's performance wasn't great, but Maggie didn't seem to fit the character either.
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