Support NeoGAF

[lowlylowlycook]

think about what you just typed for more than 3 seconds.

Uh, after 3 seconds all I'm getting is that Killzone 2 is magic pixie dust that will make all the losses go away?

Is that the right answer?

Also, I thought that the people saying Sony was fine with killing off their Playstation brand to win the war with HD-DVD, yet never have an estimate of just how much they think the royalties will be worth were bad enough, but Jesus H Christ, where is this "PS3s increased Bravia sales" bullshit coming from?

Did I miss the memo?

 

[Averon]

Also, with confidence shaken in the PlayStation 3's future as a financially viable platform, isn't it possible that third-party publishers could begin to shift resources away from the PS3? Could we see more Xbox 360 exclusives as a byproduct of PS3 indifference?

If third-party support wanes, I don't believe that Sony's first-party development could make up for that shortfall and the PS3 would simply fade away. Sure, it's a "perfect storm" scenario, but I don't think it can be discounted as a ridiculous scenario.

HD games are too expensive for 3rd parties to ignore the PS3 user base. 3rd parties dropping PS3 support is as likely as SCE shutting down anything soon. The PS3 having crappy 3rd party support like the GC is wishful thinking at this point.

 

[sun-drop]

Many - myself included - doubt that the PS3 will have a profitable 'phase' anytime soon. If the current unprofitable 'phase' continues, it could be more trouble keeping it around than it's worth.

mate ..it's hardly even 2 years old.

reality check please.

 

[Woo-Fu]

Many - myself included - doubt that the PS3 will have a profitable 'phase' anytime soon. If the current unprofitable 'phase' continues, it could be more trouble keeping it around than it's worth.

Monkeys could fly from my ass too. I'll be buying monkey-proof underwear before I seriously worry about Sony ditching the PS3.

 

[FabCam]

Also, with confidence shaken in the PlayStation 3's future as a financially viable platform, isn't it possible that third-party publishers could begin to shift resources away from the PS3? Could we see more Xbox 360 exclusives as a byproduct of PS3 indifference?

If third-party support wanes, I don't believe that Sony's first-party development could make up for that shortfall and the PS3 would simply fade away. Sure, it's a "perfect storm" scenario, but I don't think it can be discounted as a ridiculous scenario.

This would be very likely if third party games sold poorly on PS3. CoD4 is was over 3 million (i think). Fallout 3 is over a million etc. Why would they ditch working on a console that gives them so much money?

 

[KernelPanic]

Monkeys could fly from my ass too. I'll be buying monkey-proof underwear before I seriously worry about Sony ditching the PS3.

I'd say almost all of Sony's divisions are relying on the PS3 in some way.

SCE - games
Electronics - Blu-Ray, Bravia/HDTV sales
Sony Pictures - movie downloads
Sony BMG - They'll have a music store I believe ?

Killing the PS3 would affect a lot more than just SCE.

 

[Chernobyled]

So basically, there will be no PS4?

 

[Tartarus]

Many - myself included - doubt that the PS3 will have a profitable 'phase' anytime soon. If the current unprofitable 'phase' continues, it could be more trouble keeping it around than it's worth.

You've been the butt of most jokes in the last two pages, I don't think sun-drop cares about your crazy predictions.

 

[YourMaster]

OK, so it's confirmed that Sony is out of business. Does anybody think the bank could find a buyer for what's left of their entertainment division? Will apple buy it?

And when they do a clearance on the last PS3s will they go for something like 30$ or should I suspect the price will be more in line with the profitable blu-ray players from companies with a future?

 

[Mr. Enigma]

Who would have thought this thing would have been such a disaster since the E3 2006 announcement of 599 U.S. Dollars?

 

[Petrae]

mate ..it's hardly even 2 years old.

reality check please.

In his defense, the worldwide economy is in its worst state in nearly half a century. Sony continues to lose money on each unit sold, and recent sales trends indicate a faint pulse for the console versus its competition. It's not catching up to the Wii, and it's doubtful that the PS3 can catch up to the Xbox 360 in terms of installed userbase numbers thanks to a lack of exclusives and a still-exorbitant price point (especially in today's marketplace).

Why would it be out of the realm of possibility for Sony to drop the PS3? What does Sony have to gain at this point? Short of a $100 price drop (which might not even be enough), the PS3 will remain as a high-end luxury item that prices out potential consumers who haven't yet bought one.

 

[KernelPanic]

Who would have thought this thing would have been such a disaster since the E3 2006 announcement of 599 U.S. Dollars?

I don't believe launching at $599 was planned. They launched when the system was too expensive to make. PS3 was supposed to hit 2 years after Blu-Ray or so.

It was either launch at $599 and take massive losses or let Microsoft and Nintendo have Xmas '06 to themselves.

They chose the first option and paid heavily for it (more than anticipated I'm sure).

 

[oneHeero]

Who would have thought this thing would have been such a disaster since the E3 2006 announcement of 599 U.S. Dollars?

Are you serious? Where you under a rock when that announcement happened? Everyone lol @ that announcement.

A disaster? 15 million+ ww? BluRay is the definite HD format? This article doesnt even pertain to the gaming division as stated numerous times, yet its a disaster? haha. Trolls/juniors are ridiculous. :lol

 

[Petrae]

This would be very likely if third party games sold poorly on PS3. CoD4 is was over 3 million (i think). Fallout 3 is over a million etc. Why would they ditch working on a console that gives them so much money?

Fair point, and well-taken. As long as what there is of the PS3 userbase still buys these games, it does make sense to keep porting them from the 360.

As far as third-party games using the PS3 as the lead development platform, though, you'd tend to think that we won't see many of these.

 

[RobbieNick]

I'm not worried about the PS3 myself. I just think it will be quite a while till we see a PS4.

The main problem with Sony and MS is that they try so desperately to jump out their new system ahead of the competition, that they do so at a huge loss. (Meanwhile, Nintendo just sails by year after year making nothing but profit.) Not only that, they shorten the lifespan of their previous system right at the height of it's success. (With MS killing the original X-Box completely.) Although I must admit, the PS2 is still going pretty strong despite the PS3 being out for over two years now. But this generation needs to last much longer than the previous one in order to be profitable.

If there's one thing Sony did right it was adding Blu-Ray to the PS3. It may have added extra cost to the system, but with that move, they helped kill HD-DVD and made their format the only one in HD. Now, with the cost of Blu-Ray players getting down to $199, it will help secure their format even further. (They just need to get the cost of the discs down to a reasonable price.) It may not have the best system for gaming, but with high-def games and Blu-Ray, a PS3 is an HDTV's best friend.

So basically, I don't think this spells doom and gloom for Sony, they just need to ride out the wave and not be in a huge rush to get the next expensive console to market. Having the Sega Genesis out for two years didn't hurt the Super Nintendo.

 

[Woo-Fu]

Ease down, Ripley!

 

[hwalker84]

So basically, there will be no PS4?

There will be. But expect it to be Wii like in the terms of performance compared to the previous console.

 

[lowlylowlycook]

Are you serious? Where you under a rock when that announcement happened? Everyone lol @ that announcement.

A disaster? 15 million+ ww? BluRay is the definite HD format? This article doesnt even pertain to the gaming division as stated numerous times, yet its a disaster? haha. Trolls/juniors are ridiculous. :lol

How much money to you estimate Sony will make off of Blu-Ray? And by how much money, I mean how many billions in profits.

I severely doubt Sony will abandon the PS3, but make no mistake, the PS3 has been a disaster of epic proportions for Sony.

 

[Afrikan]

I'd say almost all of Sony's divisions are relying on the PS3 in some way.

SCE - games
Electronics - Blu-Ray, Bravia/HDTV sales
Sony Pictures - movie downloads
Sony BMG - They'll have a music store I believe ?

Killing the PS3 would affect a lot more than just SCE.

although highly unlikely.....PS3 "naysayers" should be fortunate that Sony doesn't go the drastic route of just working together with in itself... meaning Spiderman the game, only on PS3...James Bond only on PS3.....etc same with movie downloads

 

[Fenderputty]

I don't believe launching at $599 was planned. They launched when the system was too expensive to make. PS3 was supposed to hit 2 years after Blu-Ray or so.

REALLY ...?

I was always under the impression that without the PS3 Sony would have got it's ass kicked in the format war.

 

[lowlylowlycook]

although highly unlikely.....PS3 "naysayers" should be fortunate that Sony doesn't go the drastic route of just working together with in itself... meaning Spiderman the game, only on PS3...James Bond only on PS3.....etc same with movie downloads

Or maybe they shouldn't feel so fortunate:

 

[Forsete]

How much money to you estimate Sony will make off of Blu-Ray? And by how much money, I mean how many billions in profits.

I severely doubt Sony will abandon the PS3, but make no mistake, the PS3 has been a disaster of epic proportions for Sony.

A few trillion dollars or so.

 

[WasteLand Soldier]

i cant believe so many people are shouting MS playstation 4. wtf? the brand is now tarnished. the xbox brand is as strong as its ever been especially with LIVE. MS would take the martha stewart brand before the PS brand guys. come on. get real.

 

[Weisheit]

A few trillion dollars or so.

:lol

You're serious?

 

[Loudninja]

i cant believe so many people are shouting MS playstation 4. wtf? the brand is now tarnished. the xbox brand is as strong as its ever been especially with LIVE. MS would take the martha stewart brand before the PS brand guys. come on. get real.

:lol

 

[duk]

i cant believe so many people are shouting MS playstation 4. wtf? the brand is now tarnished. the xbox brand is as strong as its ever been especially with LIVE. MS would take the martha stewart brand before the PS brand guys. come on. get real.

:lol geezus

 

[Beer Monkey]

although highly unlikely.....PS3 "naysayers" should be fortunate that Sony doesn't go the drastic route of just working together with in itself... meaning Spiderman the game, only on PS3...James Bond only on PS3.....etc

You say that like they own James Bond and Spiderman and that the rightsholders wouldn't mind getting a lot less royalties than they currently get. Having the movie license does not make them Jesus fucking Christ.

 

[Forsete]

:lol

You're serious?

Of course not. :lol

 

[andycapps]

There will be. But expect it to be Wii like in the terms of performance compared to the previous console.

Agree here 100%. It'll be a slight upgrade of the PS3, but I doubt they will launch over $399 again. I'd expect a Blu-ray drive, standard hard-drive (maybe even solid state drive depending on cost when next gen starts), iterated design of the cell, new mid-high end graphics card, etc.

 

[JavyOO7]

Yeah, I don't think Sony's gaming division is going anywhere soon. Their PS3 will eventually make money. Only way I see them go the way of the do do is if their sales from PS3 to PS4 go down even further. Like 15-24M world wide. Then again, that didn't stop Nintendo. =p

 

[Afrikan]

You say that like they own James Bond and Spiderman and that the rightsholders wouldn't mind getting a lot less royalties than they currently get. Having the movie license does not make them Jesus fucking Christ.

"highly unlikely"

not just unlikely.....but highly unlikely

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

although highly unlikely.....PS3 "naysayers" should be fortunate that Sony doesn't go the drastic route of just working together with in itself... meaning Spiderman the game, only on PS3...James Bond only on PS3.....etc same with movie downloads

First, Sony is in absolutely no position to make that happen with Spider-Man. Second, such actions would cause considerably more harm to Sony's bottom line than they could ever hope to make up via PS3 revenue.

 

[WinFonda]

If you read the article, it's all in the details and the game division doesn't appear to be at risk at all. I think it has more to do with electronics like Walkman that are clearly no longer relevant in the market -- stuff that Sony has held on to some 15 years past its prime. I think Sony still has a lot of these quirky electronic divisions that should be axed, but...

The bit about Howard Stringer being able to take the reins and remove the old guard is something that's been around for awhile. I watched in an interview with him on the Charlie Rose show and he basically said the Japanese are very strict and protective of their workers, and it's difficult to restructure or let certain workers go.

He also talked about how he's been striving to achieve a greater harmonization between Sony's various entertainment divisions - music, games, and movies. These are some of their most profitable divisions.

The game industry is too profitable a business for Sony to want to leave it. It's been very profitable for them in the past, and it's only going to get more profitable going into the future. Even if they're taking a short term loss now, it's more important to 'ride the wave' to a more profitable long term future. The game industry is like the next movie industry and Sony has a foothold in both. You straight trippin' if you think that's expendable to them.

 

[Grampa Simpson]

mate ..it's hardly even 2 years old.

reality check please.

Sony's strategy relies on a 1st place position. They're not getting that, or even a close second. Also - as a comparison - the Wii was profitable out the door.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

If you read the article, it's all in the details and the game division doesn't appear to be at risk at all. I think it has more to do with electronics like Walkman that are clearly no longer relevant in the market -- stuff that Sony has held on to some 15 years past its prime. I think Sony still has a lot of these quirky electronic divisions that should be axed, but...

The bit about Howard Stringer being able to take the reins and remove the old guard is something that's been around for awhile. I watched in an interview with him on the Charlie Rose show and he basically said the Japanese are very strict and protective of their workers, and it's difficult to restructure or let certain workers go.

He also talked about how he's been striving to achieve a greater harmonization between Sony's various entertainment divisions - music, games, and movies. These are some of their most profitable divisions.

The game industry is too profitable a business for Sony to want to leave it. It's been very profitable for them in the past, and it's only going to get more profitable going into the future. Even if they're taking a short term loss now, it's more important to 'ride the wave' to a more profitable long term future. The game industry is like the next movie industry and Sony has a foothold in both. You straight trippin' if you think that's expendable to them.

Surprisingly, I agree with 100% of a WinFonda post, and it is this one.

 

[Digital-Hero]

First, Sony is in absolutely no position to make that happen with Spider-Man. Second, such actions would cause considerably more harm to Sony's bottom line than they could ever hope to make up via PS3 revenue.

How do you know this? Do you have access to the budget for each division or are you in a position of management to speak on such things?

 

[Grampa Simpson]

Wow at that xbox fanboy. :lol This thread rocks.

Nintendo fanboy, thank you.

 

[Woo-Fu]

If you read the article, it's all in the details and the game division doesn't appear to be at risk at all.

This is NeoGAF, dude.

 

[Tartarus]

Nintendo fanboy, thank you.

I was talking about Jtyettis but thank you for admitting it.

 

[PowderedToast]

As long as the games keep coming I'm fine and dandy.

 

[Dunlop]

If there's one thing Sony did right it was adding Blu-Ray to the PS3. It may have added extra cost to the system

if the world economy wasn't in the crapper.....maybe.

Right now that decision is like an anchor dragging the Playstation brand down into the abyss.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

How do you know this? Do you have access to the budget for each division or are you in a position of management to speak on such things?

So basically you're suggesting that Sony withholding all of their content from non-Sony branded players would result in a benefit to the company's bottom line?

Were you alive for the Betamax, man?

 

[Forsete]

if the world economy wasn't in the crapper.....maybe.

Right now that decision is like an anchor dragging the Playstation brand down into the abyss.

Not sure how expensive a BD drive is at the moment to be honest. Newer low end BD players arent that expensive anymore, and I wonder how much of that cost does into the surrounding hardware.

 

[WinFonda]

A few trillion dollars or so.

It's estimated that Toshiba makes around 1 billion annually from DVD royalties. That's pure profit though, so it's a nice chunk of change.

Of course, Blu-Ray isn't nearly as ubiquitous as DVD yet. But it's certainly on the right track of adoption that DVD was. It's not a stretch to say BRD makes Sony 3+ billion over the course of the format. That alone will have paid for PS3's R&D.

Surprisingly, I agree with 100% of a WinFonda post, and it is this one.

Hmmm can't say I remember having strong disagreements with you in the past

 

[Grampa Simpson]

I was talking about Jtyettis but thank you for admitting it.

Never would have denied it. Here. Lemme put my other avatar on, help clear things up.

 

[Dunlop]

Not sure how expensive a BD drive is at the moment to be honest. Newer low end BD players arent that expensive anymore, and I wonder how much of that cost does into the surrounding hardware.

Still a bit I would imagine. I was referring the decision to do it at launch however.

They were sure the brand was strong enough to get many loyalists to overlook the price (insert work 2 job quote here). In time when supply had met up with the "insane" demand the cost of the BD drive would be much lower and the system would be priced for the casual market. Sony would rule the gaming and physical HD media world.

Looked good on paper

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

It's estimated that Toshiba makes around 1 billion annually from DVD royalties. That's pure profit though, so it's a nice chunk of change.

Of course, Blu-Ray isn't nearly as ubiquitous as DVD yet. But it's certainly on the right track of adoption that DVD was. It's not a stretch to say BRD makes Sony 3+ billion over the course of the format. That alone will have paid for PS3's R&D.


Hmmm can't say I remember having strong disagreements with you in the past

No, but still - 100%! Pretty crazy times.

 

[BobsRevenge]

Christ guys. There will be a PS4. The market is too big to leave behind, especially with the PSP doing so well. They will go about it differently and it'll be cheaper on arrival, but it will be made and it will probably be significantly more powerful than the PS3.

 

[Beer Monkey]

How do you know this? Do you have access to the budget for each division or are you in a position of management to speak on such things?

You don't even have to know that. You have to know that Activision paid big bucks for the Bond license until 2014 and Spiderman through 2017, and that they didn't negotiate these terms based on getting dicked out of multiplatform revenue.

 

[Afrikan]

You don't even have to know that. You have to know that Activision paid big bucks for the Bond license until 2014 and Spiderman through 2017, and that they didn't negotiate these terms based on getting dicked out of multiplatform revenue.

fair enough... I should have been more specific (and checked some facts)...I'll fix some things...

although highly unlikely.....Playstation "naysayers" should be fortunate that Sony didn't/doesn't (in 2014/17) go the drastic route of just working together with in itself... meaning Spiderman the game, only on PS4...James Bond only on PS4/5.....etc same with movie downloads

in the middle of the PS4/xbox720 gen (when install bases might be similar).... Sony releases James Bond only on PS3 using in house engine.... game looks too ridiculously good to pass up. :|