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lowlylowlycook
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Wait for James Bond on PS4?
Someone make it stop.
Someone make it stop.
GenericPseudonym
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BobsRevenge said:
No.
BobsRevenge said:
One of the few logical posts in this thread, which is going to be true, despite the hopes and dreams of some people. Will it be perhaps a huge leap in power? Maybe not. But it might not be due to R&D cut backs as much as diminishing returns on the guts, like the HDTV market for one example. Cell will be even cheaper for them to produce by then (don't be surprised to see the old target of "Cell farms" that were spoken about before launch, with a series of them handling GPU duty as well), Blu-Ray drives will be dramatically cheaper, and HDD/Solid state memory keeps dropping on a daily basis in price.
Sony wanted to push the envelope with Tech, and this is what they got: A victory in media format, and a slower selling console at the same time. They have to live with those choices. Will the format win be enough to help them out? Will the PS3 start picking up in sales again once games that show a clear night and day difference to the competition along with a new price cut put them in the right direction? We'll see.
ViperVisor
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KernelPanic said:
Investment in this more efficient PS3 is likely not worth it unless they apply this in a $250 PS4. And that is more $$$$$ right downs that could pay off in 5 years. Sony peeps are not likely to be happy with that.
Nuclear Muffin
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The gaming division won't go, it has too much potential (And is driving the blu-ray horse as well) but I think that heavy cuts are inevitable. I reckon that we'll see a lot less games with stupidly high budgets like Killzone 2 and more games like Singstar and Ape Escape, Home will probably be abandoned as well (good riddance!)
Also we might see more PS1 PSN games (Virtually no cost, all profit)
A Wii style console next gen is a dead certainty now (Though it's obvious that this was gonna happen from both MS and Sony next gen anyway!)
Also we might see more PS1 PSN games (Virtually no cost, all profit)
A Wii style console next gen is a dead certainty now (Though it's obvious that this was gonna happen from both MS and Sony next gen anyway!)
lowlylowlycook
Member
J-Rzez said:
I have a feeling that the Feb NPD thread will be quite awesome. And the March thread after everyone claims that Killzone was only out for X days.
After that we're down to, what, "Wait for WKC", right?
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
GenericPseudonym said:
Yes.
The juice from the article seems to be with the Credit Suisse analysts comments about the future focus on software.
His comments make a lot of sense now that weve got a 10 year period of financial results to refer to, and while Im not an expert, Sonys roi from the gaming business wasnt exactly good. Koya Tabatas comment doesnt seem ass-pulled, as it questions Sonys investment fundamentally as a hardware manufacturer.
From 1998 to 2008 Sonys net income from the gaming division was 1.9$ billion, being a market leader from 1999 to 2007 (give or take). For the same period, the software-only developer Electronic Arts profited around 1.5$ billion (linked if you care). Nintendo omgleavingtheconsolebusiness Corp., the only other console producer operating through the 10 year period, stated 17$ billion net income, about 9 times Sonys gaming division profits.
Looking at the fundamentals, Sony is pulling successful third-party numbers, not even close to what a first-party should achieve. This is the cold analysis shareholders care about: what they got back from such a large investment of resources. Investors want low-risk profitable business practices, and Koya Tabata seems to believe (I may be the only one reading it this way) Sony should cut heavily on hardware developing, focusing instead on producing great software, who knows through synergies between their music, movie and gaming studios. Oh! By refraining investment on hardware production Im not trolling about Sony going third-party, its just about a shift of focus, moving funds previously allocated to hardware R&D. It should specially affect the electronics division, given the global crisis impact on sales (not to mention the ongoing war with LG and Samsung, which during the past few years seem to hurt Sony and Sony only).
Bottom line for my opinion here, unless a u-turn happens in this market, the PS4 will probably become a small affordable system, with a revolutionary input device. See what I did here?
His comments make a lot of sense now that weve got a 10 year period of financial results to refer to, and while Im not an expert, Sonys roi from the gaming business wasnt exactly good. Koya Tabatas comment doesnt seem ass-pulled, as it questions Sonys investment fundamentally as a hardware manufacturer.
From 1998 to 2008 Sonys net income from the gaming division was 1.9$ billion, being a market leader from 1999 to 2007 (give or take). For the same period, the software-only developer Electronic Arts profited around 1.5$ billion (linked if you care). Nintendo omgleavingtheconsolebusiness Corp., the only other console producer operating through the 10 year period, stated 17$ billion net income, about 9 times Sonys gaming division profits.
Looking at the fundamentals, Sony is pulling successful third-party numbers, not even close to what a first-party should achieve. This is the cold analysis shareholders care about: what they got back from such a large investment of resources. Investors want low-risk profitable business practices, and Koya Tabata seems to believe (I may be the only one reading it this way) Sony should cut heavily on hardware developing, focusing instead on producing great software, who knows through synergies between their music, movie and gaming studios. Oh! By refraining investment on hardware production Im not trolling about Sony going third-party, its just about a shift of focus, moving funds previously allocated to hardware R&D. It should specially affect the electronics division, given the global crisis impact on sales (not to mention the ongoing war with LG and Samsung, which during the past few years seem to hurt Sony and Sony only).
Bottom line for my opinion here, unless a u-turn happens in this market, the PS4 will probably become a small affordable system, with a revolutionary input device. See what I did here?
HallucinatingElvis
Banned
I dont understand why anyone would believe the whole fucking gaming division would go, as much as I am in the MS camp even I dont logically see that happening. I would of course be surprised to see it left untouched as it would appear that changes are needed. I can see some trimming of fat but no, no shutting down of the division....just crazy talk
Zombie James
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lowlylowlycook said:
You know, some people just like playing good games without obsessing over sales. I'm starting to think that maybe GAF should have a separate Business/Sales forum alongside Gaming... once you mash the two together, it leads to a lot of blatant flamebait and trolling. Imho, of course.
As long as Sony's restructuring doesn't cancel any games people are looking forward to playing, it's all good to me. Even if studios or divisions are sold off, i'm much more interested on having the games survive and release.
edit: typo.
Segata Sanshiro
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And people who are sufficiently developed so as to be able to enjoy more than one area of interest will wait for both.antiloop said:
_leech_ said:
There are separate threads. Console lobbyists simply can't help themselves and don't understand how to not open threads. Then they find the more outlandish statements, claim everybody is making them and then start a whole "With us or against us" crusade against common sense.
It's the same with every platform. It's the same with every topic (reviews, previews, postviews, anything in print, on television or radio, fast food drive-thru menus, condom brands, banana hammocks vs boxers, hootie and the blowfish, hannah montana, fraggle rock.)
This is why Dead Space is the game of the year. It's pretty much the only thread where the petty bickering has been kept to a minimum.
lowlylowlycook
Member
arne said:
Dammit you're right. :lol
"Wait for ..." is a many headed hydra, it seems.
Woo-Fu
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Mindlog said:
PC version, console fans try to start a war over that title and both camps end up crushed.
On another note, I don't know why people still seem to think the ps3 is lacking in software. One can only assume those people have a 360 and do not count any title that shows up on that platform. A quick check of Metacritic lists 368 titles for PS3.
My bet is on small cuts here and there, and instead a large refocus on software. Both in terms of new more mainstream titles and reusing old franchises.
Also as to the focus on software features in their products: Netflix on their TVs and Bluray players, maybe even PS3. More focus on MMOs including Home (which is seemingly quite profitable, imagine if they improved it and offered a ton more clothes and items). More focus on improving features, because they clearly have gotten the hardware down pat in almost all their product lines. Also, maybe a focus on PS2 emulation on PS3, which would solve the age old complaint, and also open up donwloadable PS2 games.
Those imagining some huge game changing things are delusional. The brand is incredibly strong and they simply need to reorient for the future much like almost every other company. MS included, see the other thread where they are restructuring as well and laying of nearly 20% of their worldwide employees.
Also as to the focus on software features in their products: Netflix on their TVs and Bluray players, maybe even PS3. More focus on MMOs including Home (which is seemingly quite profitable, imagine if they improved it and offered a ton more clothes and items). More focus on improving features, because they clearly have gotten the hardware down pat in almost all their product lines. Also, maybe a focus on PS2 emulation on PS3, which would solve the age old complaint, and also open up donwloadable PS2 games.
Those imagining some huge game changing things are delusional. The brand is incredibly strong and they simply need to reorient for the future much like almost every other company. MS included, see the other thread where they are restructuring as well and laying of nearly 20% of their worldwide employees.
HallucinatingElvis
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so now we're up to 20%?
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
:lol Thread title.
CrushDance
Banned
You missed it.lowlylowlycook said:
Anyone who thinks sony's situation isnt going to affect the gaming division is a complete dumbass. Of course anyone who thinks the gaming division is just gonna get axed is also a complete dumbass.
Ways its affecting the gaming division
1. Price Cut - Taking a loss isnt exactly an attrative situation given what the company is going through.
2. Game funding - Not going to affect the best developers but I wouldnt be surprised if lesser projects start getting axed or things we havent yet heard about. Along with developers culling any unnecessary personnel/extra personnel or looking for ways to cut down.
3. Any 3rd party collaborations and funding - Not exactly the right time to be funding exclusives
Ways its affecting the gaming division
1. Price Cut - Taking a loss isnt exactly an attrative situation given what the company is going through.
2. Game funding - Not going to affect the best developers but I wouldnt be surprised if lesser projects start getting axed or things we havent yet heard about. Along with developers culling any unnecessary personnel/extra personnel or looking for ways to cut down.
3. Any 3rd party collaborations and funding - Not exactly the right time to be funding exclusives
Yeah, it's funny watching people talking about axing the whole division when I expressly stated in the opening post that it wasn't likely, but may - MAY - result in a dramatic restructure to the business model. It's just a matter of where and how bad. And something REALLY bad isn't an out-of-left-field thing. Highly unlikely, sure, but it's definitely not totally off the table, either.Chumly said:
Sony has had two super-mega successes in the PS1 and PS2, and the PSP has done decently enough in a market where competitors normally can't hold Nintendo's jockstrap. It took the Sega CD, 32X, Saturn, AND Dreamcast to not live up to expectations before Sega went down. I highly doubt Sony will cancel the PS4.
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
Sweet Jesus why did I come into this thread
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Fixed, because when you boil it all down even Sales-age regulars are just fanboys of analyzing trends, charts and figures. The term isn't restricted to typical console warz!drohne said:
Sega also wasn't billions in debt and didn't have other industry profits propping it up. But with the current financial situation, with Sony already threatening to slash thousands of jobs within the company, those times are at significant risk. It's time to put away the lipstick, we can't dress up this pig the same way anymore.Monroeski said: