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InFAMOUS [Mafia] [OT] No Good Karma...
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OceanicAir
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If I had to choose between the former group. I think I'd go for AB only because I think that Dusk is just really unhelpful town. While AB is a lot more muddled to me. Optimally though, I'd still go with CCS since I haven't really seen anything else that has jumped out at me and my prod against Kalor has had no effect.
Agree about Flame though.
Can you go over why you think AbsolutBro is scum real quick? I know that that some people were suspicious of how he defended CCS, but I would like to hear your present reasons for suspecting him.
Hey doc, you need to clear the cache for RF's tool, which is harder to do on iOS at least. A tip you should know as a mod.
Why would you consider Dusk? you've not really said anything on him.
What makes you discern Dusk as Unhelpful town vs crazy stirring scum?
Can you give me your CCS reasons again?
Mentioned it earlier, but these two posts really rub me the wrong way.
For what it's worth, my three biggest scum reads right now are Dusk, CCS, & AB. Though I will say that reading back a few posts, I would give CCS the benefit of the doubt. AbsolutBro on the other hand, I can't tell if he's scum trying to protect another scum or a scum trying to protect a townie for whatever reason.
Then again, they could always be lovers.
Then again, they could always be lovers.
crap this is a post i follow the logic of, what are you doing to me Bronx.
The AB loves CCS thing. I see CCS' reaction and it feels out of place. Aggressive defense with claim threats is rather much I feel. Odd. I'm not seeing the AB uses protect on CCS bit and that makes me worry about Splinter again. Then I see Zipped and Flame parrot Splinter's ideas and that makes me worried about them too.
Oh and this is such a weird answer. No
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Oh and this is such a weird answer. No
.The protect part is a bit easy to miss on a reread because ab takes the roundabout method of calling it meta shit which doesn't apply to discredit the push against ccs rather than out right defending him.The AB loves CCS thing. I see CCS' reaction and it feels out of place. Aggressive defense with claim threats is rather much I feel. Odd. I'm not seeing the AB uses protect on CCS bit and that makes me worry about Splinter again. Then I see Zipped and Flame parrot Splinter's ideas and that makes me worried about them too.
Oh and this is such a weird answer. No
At least is how those susp of him see it. I'm not as wholly convinced.
Yeah, that answer wasn't great.
I admit however that this may be a difference between what I expect a mafia player to think/give and what CCS expects.
Like out of CCS, AB and Dusk. Id put CCS at the bottom of the that threesome of most scummy.
Afterthis morning's responses, I feel that I just expected more of CCS than what he has given, which makes me think he's the most likely to be town of the three.
Dusk is admittedly a blind read, he's being really scummy right now, but he was really fucking scummy in Anime, so that's all I can say on him. I just feel like everything he has given us so far isn't an alignment tell, it's just Dusk.
AB is more curious. Splinter pressed him and he continued to give no real answer. I am expecting him to turn up before day end, but so far yeah. He defended someone really strongly when he didn't need to and the posts before just seem like he's turning up but not really applying his skills. I'm only weary about this because it seems that the group disagree with me, and well group rule is something to take note of.
I'll vote Dusk if I have to, because he's done too much damage in previous games for me to give him a free pass. AB is still my top scum for the day phase.
I admit however that this may be a difference between what I expect a mafia player to think/give and what CCS expects.
Like out of CCS, AB and Dusk. Id put CCS at the bottom of the that threesome of most scummy.
Afterthis morning's responses, I feel that I just expected more of CCS than what he has given, which makes me think he's the most likely to be town of the three.
Dusk is admittedly a blind read, he's being really scummy right now, but he was really fucking scummy in Anime, so that's all I can say on him. I just feel like everything he has given us so far isn't an alignment tell, it's just Dusk.
AB is more curious. Splinter pressed him and he continued to give no real answer. I am expecting him to turn up before day end, but so far yeah. He defended someone really strongly when he didn't need to and the posts before just seem like he's turning up but not really applying his skills. I'm only weary about this because it seems that the group disagree with me, and well group rule is something to take note of.
I'll vote Dusk if I have to, because he's done too much damage in previous games for me to give him a free pass. AB is still my top scum for the day phase.
OceanicAir
Member
Gut mainly and spending too much time with other unhelpful town in previous games as compared to crazy stirring scum. Seen too many mislynches in other games with the same reasoning. Of course, doesn't mean it applies here but its how I feel.
Didn't care for the way he defended himself. Maybe he usually defends that way in other games but it felt harsher than it needed to wothin the first 24 hours or whatever of D1. But much like Dusk it is gut feelings.
Defended CCS using out of game arguments instead of in game reads. Had no interest in determining CCS' alignment despite a) claiming not to have a read on him and b) taking the time to defend him.
There might have been more stuff that came up during our argument but that's the crux of it. He seems to trust CCS by default, no town player should be doing that.
ok this shit is fucking confusing still
OG accusation by Cabbie the Cabot: CCS IS BEING FLUFFY, POSTS MEANINGLESS THINGS AND DOES NOT EXPLAIN HIS VOTES. ALSO HE WANTS TO KILL POOR LP.
CCS: *assumes defensive yet aggressive stance* I'LL CLAIM.
Cabot wants AB to comment on CCS' reaction (= Cabot wants to know what AB thought of CCS' overall reaction to the original accusation?).
AB comments on the reaction post with the claim threat (but not on what caused the reaction, nor on the accusation overall?).
Splinter says that AB is wanting to shut the discussion down because he commented on a specific post and not on the overall matter.
AB says that he was talking about the overall reaction in his previous post critizised by Splinter. Implies (kinda? somewhat?) that the case against CCS was all about da #meta.
Am I even going the right way?
OG accusation by Cabbie the Cabot: CCS IS BEING FLUFFY, POSTS MEANINGLESS THINGS AND DOES NOT EXPLAIN HIS VOTES. ALSO HE WANTS TO KILL POOR LP.
CCS: *assumes defensive yet aggressive stance* I'LL CLAIM.
Cabot wants AB to comment on CCS' reaction (= Cabot wants to know what AB thought of CCS' overall reaction to the original accusation?).
AB comments on the reaction post with the claim threat (but not on what caused the reaction, nor on the accusation overall?).
Splinter says that AB is wanting to shut the discussion down because he commented on a specific post and not on the overall matter.
AB says that he was talking about the overall reaction in his previous post critizised by Splinter. Implies (kinda? somewhat?) that the case against CCS was all about da #meta.
Am I even going the right way?
you've described the events, but what do you feel of the events personally?
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1. CCS' reaction was extreme.
2. There is a disconnection between what AB is saying and what he says he is saying.
Assuming I am getting the events correctly, had to read it over a few times to make sense if all the parties in the discussion were agreeing that they were talking about the same things.
I added the bolded line, because you ignored the most important part of the whole chain. There is also a post by AB that literally says "I just want to make it clear I don't have a point here and move on". Will fetch actual quotes....
That one? I can see it being read as "it is the meta and nothing but the meta" but it's not that strongly worded so I read it more as a encouragement, like "do not fight against that what cannot be defeated." It links to the rest, kinda, but I feel it only becomes part of the defense with the rest of the discussion. At the time of posting, I don't see it being much of a defense at all.
Ok let's make sure I have this right.
Cabot calls CCS fluffy.
CCS complains about being meta read for... some reason:
AB consoles CCS:
Cabot asks for AB's read on CCS:
AB doesn't want to know:
I point out that CCS is overreacting to nothing, and accuse AB of not answering Cabot's question (there is a bit of confusion here because I can't tell what AB is talking about when he complains about meta):
AB claims he did answer cabot's question. It's still confusing to me, but I think he's defending CCS being frustrated about a meta read (that never happened):
Cabot calls CCS fluffy.
CCS complains about being meta read for... some reason:
AB consoles CCS:
Cabot asks for AB's read on CCS:
AB doesn't want to know:
I point out that CCS is overreacting to nothing, and accuse AB of not answering Cabot's question (there is a bit of confusion here because I can't tell what AB is talking about when he complains about meta):
AB claims he did answer cabot's question. It's still confusing to me, but I think he's defending CCS being frustrated about a meta read (that never happened):
The bolding is mine. The last line is the "I don't know CCS alignment and I don't care, I don't want to talk about this let's move on."
I had remembered it slightly out of order, clarified now.
They're probably waiting until the last 15 minutes to see which way the wind blows. Like always.
So do I, but where the fuck is he?!
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
Is it absolutely necessary to vote?
No. But if you do not vote, you are openly choosing to not use every townperson's strongest tool, their vote to rid the world of evil.
You are town, are you not?
No, but it's a very bad idea not to
Rules-wise, no. You can not vote, or explicitly vote for No Lynch, and either is 100% legal.
Strategically, not voting is seen as a scummy thing to do (and voting No Lynch is beyond the pale). Looking at voting patterns that emerge over time is one of the most reliable ways to find scum. Abstaining from that process comes across as trying to hide by not committing to anything.
I understand we've got very little to go on here. We'll very likely lynch town. But seeing who voted to lynch town, who voted for someone else, the reasons people gave for their votes: this is how we'll eventually track down scum. Plus, you never know. We could get lucky this time.
Bottom line: you're allowed to abstain, but voting is your civic duty.
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
Hmmm I just feel as if there's not enough info yet. And that maybe day two will be easier. I don't simply want to dogpile someone on the off chance they might be innocent.
Suppose we lynch Dusk and he turns out to be town. That gives us more info to work with on day 2 as we can look back at today knowing for sure that he was town. There will likely be other stuff to look out from the night phase as well, but the more info we have to work with the better. It'll almost always feel we don't have quite enough info.
What if it is worth to take the risk on brutally murdering an innocent on the off chance (n%) they are the avatar of the evil itself?
Because rolling that dice is the way to win. Death equals information. Life gives us nothing new to work with.
Lone_Prodigy
Member
With CCS, I find that he claims under the slightest pressure so perhaps he's trying a new outraged defence instead.
melonrabbit
Member
Please make note of the post minimum and your own perosnal post count before end of day.
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Yay or Nay?
Lone_Prodigy
Member
I think scum Dusk would be quieter, as town Dusk tends to make non-traditional posts that get him lynched, but again, maybe he's trying something new.
As for AB, he may play under a slightly different style that involves less meta. He may have just chained his wagon to CCS as an example.
As for AB, he may play under a slightly different style that involves less meta. He may have just chained his wagon to CCS as an example.
so who are you to two scum?
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
I guess it's better to vote for someone then no one
Vote: Dusk Soldier
Vote: Dusk Soldier
OceanicAir
Member
Gonna put my vote on where I think it belongs
vote: CCS
Not gonna do any last minute push on AB. But I want my vote on record.
vote: CCS
Not gonna do any last minute push on AB. But I want my vote on record.