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[Kyanrute]

I feel like Cab is scummy. My vote near the start of D1 was a joke, but more and more I feel like he's actually a good lynch target.

What happened to some of your day one candidates, why are they not getting a mention here?

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

DAY 2 CURRENT VOTE TALLY:

isaacnukem (2)
cabot 988
batsnacks 1008

CCS (1)
Kyanrute 1050

Bronx-Man (1)
Flame_AC 1049

No active vote for Day 2: *Splinter, Blargonaut, Bronx-Man, CCS, isaacnukem, Kalor, Kawl_USC, Lone_Prodigy, OceanicAir, Ri'Orius, SkyOdin, TheGoddamn, WaffleTaco, Zeusy, Zippedpinhead

Day 2 Postcount: *Splinter 9, batsnacks 16, Blargonaut 0, Bronx-Man 3, cabot 25, CCS 8, Flame_AC 6, isaacnukem 1, Kalor 4, Kawl_USC 1, Kyanrute 14, Lone_Prodigy 3, OceanicAir 2, Ri'Orius 2, SkyOdin 4, TheGoddamn 0, WaffleTaco 2, Zeusy 1, Zippedpinhead 1


Day 2 ends:

Automated vote tally here

10 votes for majority

 

[CCS]

What happened to some of your day one candidates, why are they not getting a mention here?

Because I don't particularly feel that they're scummy any more. If I did I would have mentioned them.

 

[Kyanrute]

Because I don't particularly feel that they're scummy any more. If I did I would have mentioned them.

Aaaaand who were the candidates?

fast answers net extra points

 

[cabot]

Time to lay some bait then...

Things are getting fishy around here 🤔

You two best start reeling in some scum toot sweet or we'll throw you to the sharks.

 

[CCS]

Aaaaand who were the candidates?

fast answers net extra points

Apart from Cab, LP and you were the main ones.

 

[Kyanrute]

Apart from Cab, LP and you were the main ones.

I don't see you mention LP on day one. I see you mention Bronx and me. Why is this? Why did you not pursue your leads on day one? What made you think that the people you mention were suspicious? What changed your view on them from suspicious to not?

And why do these details need to be milked out of you instead of you contributing them willingly?

 

[cabot]

Apart from Cab, LP and you were the main ones.

Day 1 view of me:

Started as a joke, still don't really scum read you but more so than I do either Dusk or AB

You've basically said in this sentence you don't view any of Dusk, AB or I as scum, yet you'd be okay with trying to start a wagon on me last minute.

Day 2:

I feel like Cab is scummy. My vote near the start of D1 was a joke, but more and more I feel like he's actually a good lynch target.

I mean you still seem to say that I'm a good lynch target than outright scum, again staying away from a hard scum stance. When I pressed, you didn't give me a reason, other than gut feels which is a reason that only gets weaker as the game advances when there's actual evidence.


I can see this as scum, I did it my first time, because I struggled to call others scum when I knew they weren't, it didn't take till the 2nd time where I decided to try to ignore the scum chat most of the time and get into the mindset that I was town.

 

[cabot]

Waffle, Zeusy:

who are your top 3 scum reads and top 3 town?

 

[CCS]

I don't see you mention LP on day one. I see you mention Bronx and me. Why is this? Why did you not pursue your leads on day one? What made you think that the people you mention were suspicious? What changed your view on them from suspicious to not?

And why do these details need to be milked out of you instead of you contributing them willingly?

I'm at work so I don't have time to contribute beyond answering questions.

They weren't strong enough leads to pursue.

Early D1 play, I wouldn't put too much weight on them. Later play made me reassess.

 

[CCS]

I'm not scum, and I have a guaranteed town read on someone. But you're not getting it until tomorrow.

 

[Kyanrute]

I'm not scum, and I have a guaranteed town read on someone. But you're not getting it until tomorrow.

i too have a guaranteed town read on bats, what a coincidence

I assume you can't tell us why you can't give the read today?

 

[CCS]

i too have a guaranteed town read on bats, what a coincidence

I assume you can't tell us why you can't give the read today?

I can tell you, but I have to stop you guys lynching me somehow

 

[CCS]

Ah, screw it. I'm bored.

I am a Witch. Neutral role, my win condition is to survive.

Every night I can possess someone, and make them visit someone else and use their power (if they have one).

I possessed Kyan last night. The person he visited did not die, so Kyan is not scum.

 

[CCS]

That is, unless there were some hilarious doctor shenanigans.

Hmmmmmmmm

 

[cabot]

Well, first of all, that was the suspicion I had back at the end of day one, and it's possible I got tunnel-visioned on that and failed to realize what impact AB's towniness had on the end-of-day shenanigans.

But even when both are town, tying the vote delays town. If the vote had been tied, I don't think we would've given up on AB and Dusk. If anything we'd be more certain that at least one of them is scum. We'd possibly spend two additional days (and maybe some night powers) lynching/investigating/nightkilling both of them. Seems pretty good for scum.

Even a failed attempt to tie the vote could've made us more suspicious of AB. We don't think the mafia killed him, so they wouldn't have known that he'd already be cleared at this point in time. Without that night kill we could be wasting day two lynching AB.

Meanwhile, I really don't see a good reason (and neither has supplied one) for CCS or Sky to have started nonsense at that stage of the day.

i don't see a really good reason for scum!CCS or scum!Sky doing it, so I need to be convinced more.

To be clear here, you think if the vote between AB and Dusk didn't tie, then we would've moved away from them in the day phase?

I can see the tie causing suspicion for Dusk, as shown here:

This last minute AB train sure is interesting.

"Dead air surrounding dusk"

5 votes saving dusk out of no where

but I don't agree the tie would've stopped us moving target again. There were no third runners and not enough people were around for a super quick switch (the tie started around 10 minutes before deadline).

I also see myself understanding Sky's explanation here:

On the other hand, CCS didn't seem particularly interested in the actual outcome of the vote. His voting behavior was sewing chaos, but he never betrayed any actual interest in or opinions on the two people being voted off.

Now CCS doing it as scum is odd, but I think theres a good enough amount there outside of this vote tieing to still consider him for a lynch today.

Anyhoo, other things:

LP:

I feel like there is likely scum among the most active players besides bats and Kael but that's a topic for another day.

it is now another day, care to discuss this some more?

 

[*Splinter]

So I think it's safe to say CCS and Kyan aren't both scum.

At this stage of the game I'd also let CCS' "I'll tell you tomorrow" play out. I think he's scum, but we have the luxury of time, for now.

 

[*Splinter]

And once again I am too slow to post.

 

[cabot]

I can tell you, but I have to stop you guys lynching me somehow

This is redundant now, but if you left this tidbit without anymore you'd have been NKed for sure.

Ah, screw it. I'm bored.

I am a Witch. Neutral role, my win condition is to survive.

Every night I can possess someone, and make them visit someone else and use their power (if they have one).

I possessed Kyan last night. The person he visited did not die, so Kyan is not scum.

Oh goody a neutral claim.

Specify how your possession works. This isn't a guaranteed town confirmation in my head.

 

[Kyanrute]

OH NOES AM SPOOKD

*runs*

 

[*Splinter]

This is redundant now, but if you left this tidbit without anymore you'd have been NKed for sure.

Which would have been a good play for a townie about to be lynched.

 

[CCS]

This is redundant now, but if you left this tidbit without anymore you'd have been NKed for sure.



Oh goody a neutral claim.

Specify how your possession works. This isn't a guaranteed town confirmation in my head.

Every night I choose a target. I then choose someone for them to visit. If they have an ability, they use it.

 

[cabot]

Every night I choose a target. I then choose someone for them to visit. If they have an ability, they use it.

why would this mean he isn't scum then?

I assume if he didn't choose to do the faction kill, it makes no difference?

 

[CCS]

why would this mean he isn't scum then?

I assume if he didn't choose to do the faction kill, it makes no difference?

He didn't visit one of the dead players.

 

[Kyanrute]

He didn't visit one of the dead players.

Kyaaa likes to spook ppl!

who did kyaaa spook!?

 

[cabot]

He didn't visit one of the dead players.

Ah yeah, makes sense.

Though there still could be roles that mess with this.



I want you flipped, because I don't trust survivor roles.

 

[*Splinter]

Don't tell Kyan who he spooked

 

[*Splinter]

He didn't visit one of the dead players.

Do you know for sure that your ability would trigger the scum faction kill? What if you targeted a scum tracker while a different scum did the kill?

 

[Kyanrute]

Don't tell Kyan who he spooked

Hmm ok that is a good point. Feel free to use that against me if ya want me dead at any point. My bad, silly me.

 

[CCS]

Don't know if it'll get an answer, but can I call for a clarification from Melon about if my power allows for two scum kills?

 

[*Splinter]

Don't know if it'll get an answer, but can I call for a clarification from Melon about if my power allows for two scum kills?

You would have to pm her

 

[Kalor]

A neutral witch makes more sense than having it be scum aligned so CCS is probably telling the truth. I wouldn't take it as a confirmation of Kyan since they could be a scum tracker or some other role that doesn't result in a kill.

 

[*Splinter]

The role sounds real, the unchecked assumptions about the scum kill suggest otherwise.

I'm leaning "likely real" at the moment, although I suspect we will end up lynching a survivor anyway.

 

[cabot]

gafia towns have been screwed by neutral survivors quite a few times.


Town is currently down against Scum in this game.


There's no negative to flipping CCS today.

 

[CCS]

gafia towns have been screwed by neutral survivors quite a few times.


Town is currently down against Scum in this game.


There's no negative to flipping CCS today.

Cheers buddy.

Knew it was a good idea to try and kill you

 

[cabot]

Cheers buddy.

Knew it was a good idea to try and kill you

Quelle surprise.

 

[CCS]

Quelle surprise.

I though Kyan was scum, got him to visit you. That plan went to shit early on

 

[Kyanrute]

If faction kill does not count as a ability (it belongs to a group normally instead of a specific person), I still could be a goon.

CCS is some sort of a perverted, mutated version of a role cop.

death to cops

 

[CCS]

If faction kill does not count as a ability (it belongs to a group normally instead of a specific person), I still could be a goon.

CCS is some sort of a perverted, mutated version of a role cop.

death to cops

At this point, what's the merit of killing me? I'm willing to bet that almost all of town's PRs are dead. Therefore, every night I'm either effectively vanilla or I'll find scum. Surely the percentage play there is to keep me around?

 

[cabot]

At this point, what's the merit of killing me? I'm willing to bet that almost all of town's PRs are dead. Therefore, every night I'm either effectively vanilla or I'll find scum. Surely the percentage play there is to keep me around?

1) that would require trusting you, as you can imagine I'm not so game when you just admitted your intention to waste me.

2) Plenty of times where a survivor plays town until he doesn't have to (ie scum have enough numbers to win), you're a free vote that can sway to whichever side has the upper hand. You're not town aligned, you're town-motivated until you're not.

 

[cabot]

VOTE: CCS

 

[*Splinter]

Ok I'm trying to see if we can put CCS to work for town.

Suppose every morning he tells us who he targeted (A) and who he made them target (B).

A would be able to confirm they were possessed, as Kyan did.

A would know (*see downsides) who they targeted, which is useful for investigative roles (of both alignments, admittedly).

A's status as PR or ordinary would NOT be revealed by this (again see Kyan).

If B is dead, A is possibly scum (or otherwise lethal).

If A is dead, B might be paranoid (not hugely likely but w/e).


Downsides:
CCS can lie about B. This is the part I'm not sure about how damaging it is.

CCS will see the night kills before telling us B, so he has the chance to throw a lot of shade at A (by lying about B). This point can actually be negated if CCS posts in the first minute of the day a 200 word essay on why he chose B, including at least 5 quotes of B's posts.

I don't know if scum would kill CCS even if town 100% agreed to this plan (which won't happen), so we'd be in this for the long haul.

He could also still be scum, I guess.



Thots?

 

[Kalor]

Scum are going to night kill CCS anyway so I don't see a need to lynch them today. Scum or the other killer won't want to keep someone around that can interfere with their kills

 

[Kyanrute]

At this point, what's the merit of killing me? I'm willing to bet that almost all of town's PRs are dead. Therefore, every night I'm either effectively vanilla or I'll find scum. Surely the percentage play there is to keep me around?

We do not know the scum prs. We do not know if they are able to manipulate you, what puts your usefulness into question even if we would trust you.

 

[cabot]

Thots?

Hope the majority goes #teamNO

 

[*Splinter]

2) Plenty of times where a survivor plays town until he doesn't have to (ie scum have enough numbers to win), you're a free vote that can sway to whichever side has the upper hand. You're not town aligned, you're town-motivated until you're not.

From a numbers perspective there is no benefit to lynching a neutral. We either let him being lylo forward a day by being alive or we take ourselves a day closer to lylo by lynching him.

 

[Kalor]

Ok I'm trying to see if we can put CCS to work for town.

Suppose every morning he tells us who he targeted (A) and who he made them target (B).

A would be able to confirm they were possessed, as Kyan did.

A would know (*see downsides) who they targeted, which is useful for investigative roles (of both alignments, admittedly).

A's status as PR or ordinary would NOT be revealed by this (again see Kyan).

If B is dead, A is possibly scum (or otherwise lethal).

If A is dead, B might be paranoid (not hugely likely but w/e).


Downsides:
CCS can lie about B. This is the part I'm not sure about how damaging it is.

CCS will see the night kills before telling us B, so he has the chance to throw a lot of shade at A (by lying about B). This point can actually be negated if CCS posts in the first minute of the day a 200 word essay on why he chose B, including at least 5 quotes of B's posts.

I don't know if scum would kill CCS even if town 100% agreed to this plan (which won't happen), so we'd be in this for the long haul.

He could also still be scum, I guess.



Thots?

I'm all for trying it.

 

[cabot]

From a numbers perspective there is no benefit to lynching a neutral. We either let him being lylo forward a day by being alive or we take ourselves a day closer to lylo by lynching him.

we can't trust the neutral. You were gonna bone town in Brexit lover, don't think I've forgotten your intentions.

 

[CCS]

1) that would require trusting you, as you can imagine I'm not so game when you just admitted your intention to waste me.

2) Plenty of times where a survivor plays town until he doesn't have to (ie scum have enough numbers to win), you're a free vote that can sway to whichever side has the upper hand. You're not town aligned, you're town-motivated until you're not.

When I've been neutral before I've always tried to help town. I'm offended that you think so little of me.

Ok I'm trying to see if we can put CCS to work for town.

Suppose every morning he tells us who he targeted (A) and who he made them target (B).

A would be able to confirm they were possessed, as Kyan did.

A would know (*see downsides) who they targeted, which is useful for investigative roles (of both alignments, admittedly).

A's status as PR or ordinary would NOT be revealed by this (again see Kyan).

If B is dead, A is possibly scum (or otherwise lethal).

If A is dead, B might be paranoid (not hugely likely but w/e).


Downsides:
CCS can lie about B. This is the part I'm not sure about how damaging it is.

CCS will see the night kills before telling us B, so he has the chance to throw a lot of shade at A (by lying about B). This point can actually be negated if CCS posts in the first minute of the day a 200 word essay on why he chose B, including at least 5 quotes of B's posts.

I don't know if scum would kill CCS even if town 100% agreed to this plan (which won't happen), so we'd be in this for the long haul.

He could also still be scum, I guess.



Thots?

I'd be willing to go with this.

 

[Kyanrute]

CCS, last survivor or survive until a faction wins?