We don't need to trust the neutral, nor did Brexit town need to trust me.
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InFAMOUS [Mafia] [OT] No Good Karma...
- Thread starter melonrabbit
- Start date
CCS, last survivor or survive until a faction wins?
Survive until someone wins.
We don't need to trust the neutral, nor did Brexit town need to trust me.
Yeah, they should've killed you when you claimed.
Your lylo threat is weak, we're not at the point of no return, we can kill CCS.
Also I was JOAT with unclaimed powers, way more dangerous than a witch, and I believe that much of CCS claim.We don't need to trust the neutral, nor did Brexit town need to trust me.
Lylo threat? What are you talking about?Yeah, they should've killed you when you claimed.
Your lylo threat is weak, we're not at the point of no return, we can kill CCS.
We can kill CCS. I'm saying we shouldn't.
From a numbers perspective there is no benefit to lynching a neutral. We either let him being lylo forward a day by being alive or we take ourselves a day closer to lylo by lynching him.
seems like you're using the threat of lylo to influence opinions.
Current thoughts on the origin of the second kill?
No sane scum would redirect anyone to themselves. Redirect option would mean that there is a town pr (not worth revealing for this tyvm). In addition lol redirects with powers like CCS'.
Additional scum kill.
A neutral that cannot win before endgame.
No sane scum would redirect anyone to themselves. Redirect option would mean that there is a town pr (not worth revealing for this tyvm). In addition lol redirects with powers like CCS'.
Additional scum kill.
A neutral that cannot win before endgame.
Btw I wish I had posted this earlier but I'm pretty sure Cabot is scum.
As sure as you can be on a day 2 read anyway.
yeah i wish you had posted that earlier too.
Would be easier to believe it was genuine.
I'm not going to fake a scumread just to push a neutral who I'm 90% sure will be lynched anyway. Kawl is confirmed and hates neutrals, I think bats does too.yeah i wish you had posted that earlier too.
Would be easier to believe it was genuine.
Don't have time to fish for quotes right now but the biggest red flag is your approach to Zeusy and Waffle. Ignored them all yesterday, overkeen to throw them to the wolves today. Never mentions one without the other.
Bonus read: if Cabot is scum then both Zeusy and Waffle are 100% town.
I'm not going to fake a scumread just to push a neutral who I'm 90% sure will be lynched anyway. Kawl is confirmed and hates neutrals, I think bats does too.
Don't have time to fish for quotes right now but the biggest red flag is your approach to Zeusy and Waffle. Ignored them all yesterday, overkeen to throw them to the wolves today. Never mentions one without the other.
Bonus read: if Cabot is scum then both Zeusy and Waffle are both 100% town.
because they're both as useless as each other, and I give newbs a day grace. There were plenty other things to focus on yesterday.
The logic that if I'm scum both the nubs are 100% town is laughable in itself. I've essentially thrown shade at them and nothing more, there could easily be scum there between 1 of them that I'm trying to minimise by addressing them as a pair.
You've been pocketing me this game, lover. You've had me as 'solid town' pretty much from the getgo.
I think you're town though, so that's a small comfort at least.
Then there's this post covering AB which you picked up on yourself, however this post stood out to me because it was so verbosely on my side. You essentially defended me when there wasn't a need to:
For the sake of providing context to Dusk's post, here's the entirety of Cabot's "tunnel" before CCS started overreacting.
A post catching up on what happened overnight, mentions CCS for not doing much:
A read of LP, that mentions CCS as an aside:
Yes, that's it. Unless I missed something.
CCS immediately jumps to "you always do this" (is this a metashit? :O :O :O)
Cab responds with "erm no I don't?"
Which already brings us to the infamous
Looking back, I still can't see what CCS is even responding to with this post. Nor can I see what AB (and maybe Dusk?) objects to.
Neutrals add noise lover. I am not okay with letting one live.
Oh yeah and Blarg is probably town. He was the only person trying to bring the newbs more into the game yesterday (bizarre though his methods may be).
well he's done well this day phase to really win us all over.
Ok I'm trying to see if we can put CCS to work for town.
Suppose every morning he tells us who he targeted (A) and who he made them target (B).
A would be able to confirm they were possessed, as Kyan did.
A would know (*see downsides) who they targeted, which is useful for investigative roles (of both alignments, admittedly).
A's status as PR or ordinary would NOT be revealed by this (again see Kyan).
If B is dead, A is possibly scum (or otherwise lethal).
If A is dead, B might be paranoid (not hugely likely but w/e).
Downsides:
CCS can lie about B. This is the part I'm not sure about how damaging it is.
CCS will see the night kills before telling us B, so he has the chance to throw a lot of shade at A (by lying about B). This point can actually be negated if CCS posts in the first minute of the day a 200 word essay on why he chose B, including at least 5 quotes of B's posts.
I don't know if scum would kill CCS even if town 100% agreed to this plan (which won't happen), so we'd be in this for the long haul.
He could also still be scum, I guess.
Thots?
Thinking.
1. Difference between the target CCS names and the actual possession forces us to kill CCS to determine if he was manipulated. Same applies if CCS gets blocked I imagine.
2. Redirection would mess with investigatives, they'd (A) get a result but could not tell who they targeted until CCS would tell them.
3. CCSing someone does not indeed tell us anything about the target (A), apart from their capability murder things. Though, the mystery case of two possible scum kills is still unanswered.
I'll give a days grace by not lynching, not by completely ignoring them. How can you complain about them being unreadable when you've made no attempt to change that?because they're both as useless as each other, and I give newbs a day grace. There were plenty other things to focus on yesterday.
The logic that if I'm scum both the nubs are 100% town is laughable in itself. I've essentially thrown shade at them and nothing more, there could easily be scum there between 1 of them that I'm trying to minimise by addressing them as a pair.
You've been pocketing me this game, lover. You've had me as 'solid town' pretty much from the getgo.
Then there's this post covering AB which you picked up on yourself, however this post stood out to me because it was so verbosely on my side. You essentially defended me when there wasn't a need to:
Neutrals add noise lover. I am not okay with letting one live.
I don't care about the shade you've thrown at them, I care that they are inseparable in your mind. No way one of them is your teammate and not the other, and I highly doubt they both are.
Pocketing? Lover please, one early townread is not pocketing. Especially since I always do that just to fuck with you.
I had no interest in defending you during that exchange. I thought AB was scum and tried to get him lynched. I think that's clear so your "there was no need" rings extremely hollow.
Scumreading me in response to being scumread?
You're jumpy, lover.
Why are you jumpy, lover?
Oh you're too kindYour sudden turn on me makes me and it's timing makes me think there's a solid chance you're scum, but I will never read you clearly since we're so close, so I'm willing to give more time (and more opinions) for you before I push.
CCS is my choice today.
VOTE: Cabot
I think the only possible loss is if CCS targets a town investigative role AND lies about where he sends them. I'm not sure if that's an unsustainable loss though as long as we treat his claims with due scepticism.Right now I think the unknowns are too great and the possible gain too small compared to the possible losses.
Also scum will likely be more PR stacked than town at this point.
It's a hypothetical question.Why are you jumpy, lover?
He's jumpy because he's scum.
Why are the newbies so special lover? What about the fact that I ignored blarg for almost the entire day phase yesterday, is that influencing your town read on him?
Well jumping from null to scum is more understandable than jumping from town to scum.
You can say it's fucking with me, but there's been little in your posts that mention you view me suspiciously, just disagreeing with some of my thoughts now and then.
Well jumping from null to scum is more understandable than jumping from town to scum.
You can say it's fucking with me, but there's been little in your posts that mention you view me suspiciously, just disagreeing with some of my thoughts now and then.
I think the only possible loss is if CCS targets a town investigative role AND lies about where he sends them. I'm not sure if that's an unsustainable loss though as long as we treat his claims with due scepticism.
Also scum will likely be more PR stacked than town at this point.
We do not know if CCS make any scum use a kill, or just the scum who actually performs the faction kill. If the former, CCS would just mostly run interference against scum prs, best case would be to hit the scum killer, the worst would be the one you said. Overall a minor gain to town I'd say. Hmm.
The problem is that only CCS gets to know how is power works in relation to the scum kill. I want to hear that before committing.
UNVOTE
You didn't start today by suggesting Blarg should be lynched.Why are the newbies so special lover? What about the fact that I ignored blarg for almost the entire day phase yesterday, is that influencing your town read on him?
Well jumping from null to scum is more understandable than jumping from town to scum.
You can say it's fucking with me, but there's been little in your posts that mention you view me suspiciously, just disagreeing with some of my thoughts now and then.
I've hardly posted in this phase until recently, and CCS has higher the limelight since then. I also noticed you were overconfident, so I probably would have let that run a little longer anyway.
It's also possible his power doesn't affect the scum kill, in which case I suggest heWe do not know if CCS make any scum use a kill, or just the scum who actually performs the faction kill. If the former, CCS would just mostly run interference against scum prs, best case would be to hit the scum killer, the worst would be the one you said. Overall a minor gain to town I'd say. Hmm.
The problem is that only CCS gets to know how is power works in relation to the scum kill. I want to hear that before committing.
UNVOTE
lies about it
You didn't start today by suggesting Blarg should be lynched.
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I didn't start the day by suggesting they should be lynched either.
Now knowing that it was town v town yesterday, it's a good idea to see who voted where. I'm curious about the votes outside the pair the most.
OA, Zipped, TheG, Zeusy, Blarg are the ones who voted outside of dusk/AB.
TheG wasn't here, Zipped disappeared after unvoting flame when he threatened to claim, Blarg ??????, Zeusy was trying to understand how the game works, OA scumread CCS.
Next was this rather amazing fish pun which frankly should have got way more respect and kudos:
You two best start reeling in some scum toot sweet or we'll throw you to the sharks.
This does sound vaguely threatening I admit, you could maybe infer I'd target wasting one of them today.
Last but not least:
Waffle, Zeusy:
who are your top 3 scum reads and top 3 town?
Try and engage with the pair.
I should probably address them seperately though, you're right there lover. It sounds rude and devaluing to constantly pair them.
Noted.
Er, let me sort of restructure the first section of that post, I fucked the pasting and it doesnt make sense:
bolded the new bit
You didn't start today by suggesting Blarg should be lynched.
I didn't start the day by suggesting they should be lynched either.
Let's go through the posts mentioning the newbs.
Next was this rather amazing fish pun which frankly should have got way more respect and kudos:
This does sound vaguely threatening I admit, you could maybe infer I'd target wasting one of them today.
Last but not least:
Try and engage with the pair.
I should probably address them seperately though, you're right there lover. It sounds rude and devaluing to constantly pair them.
Noted.
bolded the new bit
A neutral witch makes more sense than having it be scum aligned so CCS is probably telling the truth. I wouldn't take it as a confirmation of Kyan since they could be a scum tracker or some other role that doesn't result in a kill.
Scum are going to night kill CCS anyway so I don't see a need to lynch them today. Scum or the other killer won't want to keep someone around that can interfere with their kills
I'm all for trying it.
I don't like these posts. I don't like how certain Kalor is of scum NKing CCS, that's a mistaken assumption.
At the risk of sounding contrarian, I thought Kalor was right in those posts, and I undervalued the threat to scum in my own analysis.
They could have counters, the numbers are still large enough that it's possible he will live for a while longer and then we're back on trusting the survivor neutral.
It's true he'll die eventually, he's unlikely to achieve his win con. I'm upset about it.
It's totally possible he wouldn't be NK'd but my plan hinges on not needing to trust him. His continued survival shouldn't be a reason to lynch him.They could have counters, the numbers are still large enough that it's possible he will live for a while longer and then we're back on trusting the survivor neutral.
It's true he'll die eventually, he's unlikely to achieve his win con. I'm upset about it.
We don't did you even read my post lover godhow do we know he told the truth about targeting me?
It's possible he redirected a scum to kill AB, and is just lying about it all.
The claim seems believable, that's about it.
Witches win when town loses
Or when town wins.
Not usuallyOr when town wins.
how do we know he told the truth about targeting me?
It's possible he redirected a scum to kill AB, and is just lying about it all.
The claim seems believable, that's about it.
Now I am scum?
grrr
Now I am scum?
grrr
i don't know what you are, CCS hasn't helped me there.
which is why I'm ok with lynching him.
Eh?CCS says he can force any scum to shoot.
CCS dies.
Flip does not contradict CCS' statement.
Only one kill during the night.
Guess who dies next?
Seems good.
Not usually
Well I do.
Silly speculation. If CCS can force any scum to shoot, I could be framed if scum control the additional kill. I think.
Even if that's true your role is bad for town e.g. you could mess up any remaining investigative role we have. There's no incentive for you to be honest about your night actions.Well I do.
CCS best chance to win is if scum are losing and therefore can't afford to spend a kill on him. There's his incentive to be honest, although I'm not advocating we trust him anyway.Even if that's true your role is bad for town e.g. you could mess up any remaining investigative role we have. There's no incentive for you to be honest about your night actions.
On the flip side he has no incentive to lie. He doesn't know what power roles he's messing with and if caught in a lie he'd be policy lynched.
I didn't even think of that before my plan just got even better.