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InFAMOUS [Mafia] [OT] No Good Karma...

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*Splinter

Member
batsnacks said:
The witch is correctly guessing 2 scum members AND correctly guessing which scum is making the kill in this hypothetical situation that basically never happens. CCS is actually just mafia way more often than this ever happens.

The witch hurting town happens a LOT more often, that's why town lynches witches.
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If he redirects a kill from scum's target to a top suspect then that's a huge boon for town, regardless of said suspect's alignment.

If he also posts his first minute essay then we also have a good chance of lynching scum, as a bonus.
 
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*Splinter

Member
cabot said:
Also he can’t be scum cause He was defending CCS is crap.

He already said his plan is dependent on CCS playing to the optimal resolution, something which I’ve seen time and again to be a faulty premise.
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His optimal play is to follow what I already described in excruciating detail.

This is not a complex plan.
 
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Kawl_USC

Member
*Splinter said:
His optimal play is to follow what I already described in excruciating detail.

This is not a complex plan.
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With the alternative being the moment he doesn't he gets lynched.

But no there's no way we could ever utilize this to try and make some headway. Let's lynch not scum for sure instead zzzz
 
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SkyOdin

Member
Just caught up this morning.

Kawl_USC said:
Vote: SkyOdin

Give me something genuine that takes the sourness out of my stomach that your earlier post out there.

Convince me I'm off base here bud. How do you feel about splinter x Cabot? Bats x kawl? Kyan x ccs?
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You know, I can understand some of the suspicion, since I have been a little lazy about being active in the game this time around. I've been distracted by too much FFXIV and mobile games. Sorry about that.

As far as as the main topics that emerged overnight, here is my definitive answer:

Vote: CCS

I don't trust neutrals.

There is a tiny chance I could have been convinced to put my faith in a self-professed neutral player if they were deeply moved to work in towns interests. But that isn't how CCS has been playing so far at all. CCS is playing only for CCS. He has been utterly disinterested in the outcome of votes and has instead been acting purely out of self-preservation (and thus in pursuit of his own victory). Everything from his initial threat to role claim to this current gambit at using his powers to test Kyan have been done purely for the sake of self-preservation. My read is that he would betray town without a moment's hesitation, no question.

As far as cabot x splinter goes, I obviously am on the same side as cabot as far as CCS's fate is concerned. Now, that doesn't mean I fully read cabot as town. Scum cabot and town cabot both play very similarly, and I am somewhat dubious of cabot's commuter claim. From past experience, I am wary of putting my full trust in cabot just because I agree with his arguments most of the time. I also don't know how to read splinter. I don't think his arguments are in the best interest of town, though. I am also clearly missing an in-joke between the two or something.

For now, I think both batsnacks and Kawl are cleared town. I think paranoia about a godfather whenever someone is cleared by a cop is an unnecessary distraction. We need to be aware of the possibility, but it is so unlikely that it isn't worth stressing over.
 
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*Splinter

Member
SkyOdin said:
There is a tiny chance I could have been convinced to put my faith in a self-professed neutral player if they were deeply moved to work in towns interests. But that isn't how CCS has been playing so far at all. CCS is playing only for CCS. He has been utterly disinterested in the outcome of votes and has instead been acting purely out of self-preservation (and thus in pursuit of his own victory). Everything from his initial threat to role claim to this current gambit at using his powers to test Kyan have been done purely for the sake of self-preservation. My read is that he would betray town without a moment's hesitation, no question.
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Why would a neutral be playing in town's interest?

How, when and why would CCS betray the plan I described earlier?
 
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Flame_AC

Member
As a player of the inFAMOUS games, I want he role names from both cabot and our dear 'friend' the witch. So far all of our other roles have been reasonable mirrors of the characters in the game,s but I'm having a hard time even thinking of someone who would qualify as a witch. I'm on team anti-CCS here.

Vote: CCS
 
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*Splinter

Member
SkyOdin said:
Your plan isn't the problem. It is CCS's vote that has me concerned. I don't want a neutral kingmaker around in the end-game.
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CCS being alive brings us one day closer to lylo, this is true.

However, if it costs us one day to lynch him, then we don't gain anything. We have the same number of potential mislynches either way.

In terms of numbers, lynching CCS is an entirely neutral action (no pun intended).
 
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*Splinter

Member
Kyanrute said:
"Why would a neutral be playing in town's interest?"
- Splinter, defending a plan to make a neutral to play according town's interests.
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Notice I have spent a single post trying to convince CCS to drop his win con and play for town?

Because he doesn't need to.
 
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SkyOdin

Member
We also have to consider that keeping CCS around could turn into an ongoing distraction. The only way to keep CCS in line is to use the threat of a proceedural lynch, but that involves eating up a bunch of time each day talking anout whether now is the day to lynch CCS.

Furthermore, the threat to lynch CCS if he becomes uncooperative loses its teeth when the people who want to make that deal are arguing that lynching CCS is a waste of town's time.
 
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*Splinter

Member
SkyOdin said:
We also have to consider that keeping CCS around could turn into an ongoing distraction. The only way to keep CCS in line is to use the threat of a proceedural lynch, but that involves eating up a bunch of time each day talking anout whether now is the day to lynch CCS.

Furthermore, the threat to lynch CCS if he becomes uncooperative loses its teeth when the people who want to make that deal are arguing that lynching CCS is a waste of town's time.
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It's only a distraction if people make it a distraction.

This isn't something that should need revisiting. It only really works if people get on board with the idea of letting CCS live out the game.

As soon as he fails to follow the plan he gets lynched, simple as that. He's no longer a benefit at that point.
 
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CCS

Banned
Flame_AC said:
As a player of the inFAMOUS games, I want he role names from both cabot and our dear 'friend' the witch. So far all of our other roles have been reasonable mirrors of the characters in the game,s but I'm having a hard time even thinking of someone who would qualify as a witch. I'm on team anti-CCS here.

Vote: CCS
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Sasha.


Kyanrute said:
CCS, did ya pm melon about your power and its interaction with the scum faction kill?
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Yes. It can make scum kill even if they weren't chosen to kill that night.
 
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SkyOdin

Member
*Splinter said:
It's only a distraction if people make it a distraction.

This isn't something that should need revisiting. It only really works if people get on board with the idea of letting CCS live out the game.

As soon as he fails to follow the plan he gets lynched, simple as that. He's no longer a benefit at that point.
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This is mafia. Getting town to do anything, no matter how simple, is akin to herding cats.
 
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Kyanrute

Member
CCS said:
Sasha.

Yes. It can make scum kill even if they weren't chosen to kill that night.
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If the scummie you target wasn't making the kill, and scum use their kill (duh), do two kills happen (assuming no protection/other interference)?

If you target a scum pr, do you redirect a kill or their power? What if that pr is making the kill?
 
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CCS

Banned
Kyanrute said:
If the scummie you target wasn't making the kill, and scum use their kill (duh), do two kills happen (assuming no protection/other interference)?

If you target a scum pr, do you redirect a kill or their power? What if that pr is making the kill?
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Yep, you would get two scum kills that night in thag situation.

That I don't know about.
 
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Blargonaut

Banned
►



  1. [f] WaffleTaco– ??
  2. [m] Zeusy– ??
  3. [m] Ri'Orius– ??
  4. [m] OceanicAir– ??
  5. [m] TheGoddamn– ??
  6. [m] Kyanrute– ??, stated on D2 that he was Possessed by someone during N1 -> apparently by CCS** | p1 / p2 / p3
  7. [m] betsnacks– [TOWN] "BETTY", 'Beloved' a.k.a. 'Innocent Citizen'. D1: Host-confirmed as Town-aligned. N1: During D1, had claimed receipt of 1-shot Power during N0; p1... target unknown? Exposed D1.​
  8. [m] CCS– [NEUTRAL?] "SASHA?", 'Witch' a.k.a. 'Survivor/Possessor'? N1: Redirected Kyanrute's Power (if any) to an unknown target**? not to AbsolutBro or Timeaisis? Claimed D2. | p2 / p3​
  9. [m] Bronx-Man– ??
  10. [m] SkyOdin– ??
  11. [m] AbsolutBro– [TOWN] "TRISH DAILEY", 'Doctor'. N1: Target unknown? (killed N1)​
  12. [m] cabot– [????] "?", 'x-shot Commuter'? N1: Expended an evade use? ?-shots remaining? Claimed D2.​
  13. [m] Blargonaut– ??
  14. [m] Dusk Soldier– [TOWN] "NIX", 'Vigilante'. N1: --. (eliminated D1)​
  15. [m] Timeaisis– [TOWN] "Seattle Hipster", 'Citizen'. N1: n/a. (killed N1)​
  16. [m] Lone_Prodigy– ??
  17. [m] *Splinter– ??
  18. [m] Kawl_USC– [TOWN]*, ??​
  19. [m] isaacnukem– ??
  20. [m] Zippedpinhead– ??
  21. [m] Flame_AC– ??
  22. [m] Kalor– ??
  23. [m] acohrs– [TOWN] "REGGIE ROWE", 'Daytime Sacrificial Alignment Cop'. D1: Investigated Kawl_USC, found him Town-aligned*; p1 / p2 / p3. (left D1)​
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23 players.
15 / 23 as-yet-unknowns.
6 confirmed Town (4/6 dead) / 19?
0 caught Mafia / 4? 5?
1 Neutral claimant.​
 
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Kawl_USC

Member
:/ rip

Think that pushes the value of your role back over the other way.

I thought if you targeted scum the other NK target would be saved from your over riding the target. The way you've described it now makes it an additional one for one trade which devalues your benefit a fair bit imo.
 
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Ri'Orius

Member
Kawl_USC said:
:/ rip

Think that pushes the value of your role back over the other way.

I thought if you targeted scum the other NK target would be saved from your over riding the target. The way you've described it now makes it an additional one for one trade which devalues your benefit a fair bit imo.
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See, I was thinking that if he hit a scum that wasn't the one issuing the NK then his power would do nothing, which vastly devalues its investigative capabilities. So his clarifications increase his utility in my eyes: I'd happily trade townies' lives for confirmed scum targets.

CCS clearly can't be trusted indefinitely, since if he behaves 100% town then scum will kill him. The optimist in me wants to try to string him along long enough for that to happen: let him give us a bit of info and then eat a mafia bullet. But... that's not going to happen. CCS will try to play both sides to fulfill his wincon, and can possibly do that in a way we won't see happen.

VOTE: CCS
 
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Zippedpinhead

Member
Thanks blarg for the run down: at first I thought it was a reads list.


Then I quickly realized I was an idiot and it was just our players list on the first page.

I'm sticking to my vote on CCS. If he can make our night kills go up I'm against it. Again DG1 makes me incredibly wary of neutrals.
 
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SkyOdin

Member
OceanicAir said:
If we had an ascetic member here do you think they'd be town or mafia?
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Hard to say. I would expect an ascetic to be town or a neutral role, but I can't be certain. Often, ascetic is added to another role to either strengthen it (serial killer) or weaken it (cop who can't be protected).
 
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Zippedpinhead

Member
SkyOdin said:
Hard to say. I would expect an ascetic to be town or a neutral role, but I can't be certain. Often, ascetic is added to another role to either strengthen it (serial killer) or weaken it (cop who can't be protected).
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Kawl_USC said:
Can only be targeted by kills during the night.

Poison doctor in....gafia 3 I think was ascetic. Super serial killer back up cop in phoenix wright was ascetic.
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Thanks, not too familiar in those two games. But interesting only night targetable, I can see why for say a poison doctor it's a plus, but for a cop it would really be shitty
 
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batsnacks

Member
This is me tomorrow when CCS is mafia:

red] VOTE: Kawl_USC [/red

this is Kawl in disbelief of my epic scumhunting skills:

"h-how did you know? I am in disbelief!"
 
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batsnacks

Member
Kawl_USC said:
Yea because you've painted such a logical case that I can actually respond to.

For fucks sake dude. Just know scum are laughing their heads off at your stupidest tunnel yet
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My case owns and mafia are shaking in their boots at the godfather's impending lynch
 
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YesNOnoNOYes

Member
DAY 2 CURRENT VOTE TALLY:

CCS (7)
Kyanrute 1050 1123
cabot 1091
batsnacks 1127
Zippedpinhead 1159
Bronx-Man 1230
SkyOdin 1304
Flame_AC 1306
Ri'Orius 1329

SkyOdin (3)
Kawl_USC 1196
Blargonaut 1261
Kalor 1291

cabot (1)
*Splinter 1119

isaacnukem (0): cabot 988 1091, batsnacks 1008 1127

Bronx-Man (0): Flame_AC 1049 1306

*Splinter (0): Blargonaut 1158 1261

No active vote for Day 2: CCS, isaacnukem, Kyanrute (has previously voted), Lone_Prodigy, OceanicAir, TheGoddamn, WaffleTaco, Zeusy

Day 2 Postcount: *Splinter 62, batsnacks 46, Blargonaut 12, Bronx-Man 9, cabot 92, CCS 37, Flame_AC 7, isaacnukem 3, Kalor 9, Kawl_USC 38, Kyanrute 44, Lone_Prodigy 4, OceanicAir 8, Ri'Orius 3, SkyOdin 9, TheGoddamn 0, WaffleTaco 2, Zeusy 2, Zippedpinhead 6


Day 2 ends:
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Automated vote tally here

10 votes for majority
 
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