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Introducing Meta Quest 3 + Lower Prices for Quest 2

SilentUser

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This is actually pretty cool! I'm a big fan of VR nowadays and hopefully the market will get a lot bigger so when can see more full titles jumping in, like Village. I wish a huge success to Quest 3 so we, gamers, all win.
I'm 100% happy with PSVR2, so I don't feel like changing to another ecosystem (specially considering how weak my PC is lol). I'm so used to it, it doesn't take even 2 minutes to set it up and boot a game, I think. I love it.
 
SmokedMeat

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James Sawyer Ford said:
No, power will be what pushes it forward

I don’t think these platforms will have sticky lineups

If I have a Quest 2, what does the Quest 3 have that justifies buying a new headset? The leap simply isn’t good enough. Hence why power pushes it forward
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Power has nothing to with success.

Quest 2 easily beat out more powerful VR units due to it being a convenient, all in one unit, at an affordable price.
 
R6Rider

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James Sawyer Ford said:
I don’t disagree per se but I’m not sure if Quest 3 will have the same success as 2 since it’s not that big of a leap
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Quest 3 probably won't sell nearly as well as Quest 2 did. Convincing people it's worth getting if they already have Quest 2 is going to be the biggest thing.

Even more so if they have a Quest 2 and another headset on PC or PSVR2 (which will have better looking games, more features, controllers with MUCH better features, etc.)
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That's what I think is going to happen with the Switch 2 as well.
 
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hlm666

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Expected way more AR stuff, Asgards Wraths 2 looked intresting but overall not a great show. Gunman Contracts Standalone is still my most anticipated upcoming VR game then, they didn't move the needle.
 
CrustyBritches

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I'm interested in Powerwash Simulator, Ghostbusters, Arizona Sunshine 2, Bulletstorm, and Asgard's Wrath 2. The mixed reality Demeo segment they showed on Quest 3 looked awesome. There's a lot of potential for tabletop games on Quest 3.

I'll be day-1 for Quest 3. Will pass my Quest 2 off to the kids and have it for mp sessions. Full BC with Quest 2 is great to hear.
 
FoxMcChief

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I’m 100% sold on a Quest 3.

No rush to get one at launch though. I can wait for some early stuff to get ironed out.

As a PS5 owner, I wasn’t sure which one I was going to get, the Sony vr or Quest 3. The price and the fact that I can play all my existing Quest 2 games was the clincher.
 
Romulus

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Btw, all the footage of Asgard's Wrath was from Quest 2. The devs have hinted the Quest 3 is a massive upgrade over Quest 2, but they won't comment on the game differences. I would imagine this is to keep from ruffling feathers of the large Quest 2 install base. I would imagine a huge leap over Quest 2 though.
 
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64bitmodels

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RoboFu said:
Dumb take .. you need a PS5 for psvr to work. You only need a quest 3 to play games.
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yeah. PSVR2 can only work with a PS5, quest 2/3 can be used on PC. If you don't own a ps5 and you want to use psvr2, it's not 500 dollars you'll need to spend but a grand. Quest 3 is usable upon purchase. not to mention that unlike PSVR2, it's actually backwards compatible.....

We have enough console wars as is we don't need fucking VR wars.
 
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Romulus

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Quest 2/3 is good for VR and PSVR2. PSVR2 will get ports of 80% Quest games and as they improve in complexity, that only benefits PSVR2 owners.
 
rofif

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If quest 3 got pancake lenses, I don't care if it got worse graphics than psvr2... psvr2 fucking sucks with Fresnel lenses and extremely small sweet spot. It's also uncomfortable and a bit heavy.
The biggest problem with psvr2 is that it requires incredible precision to set the sweetspot right but you dont have any Y axis setting. Like wtf... if you have the wrong headshape, psvr2 will just keep falling on the bridge of your nose and its too low for good sweetspot.

Fuck psvr2, hello pancake lenses
 
AJUMP23

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I don't think I am getting VR, I like it, but I can't justify the price. HL:Alyx is about the only thing I want to play.
 
Romulus

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rofif said:
If quest 3 got pancake lenses, I don't care if it got worse graphics than psvr2... psvr2 fucking sucks with Fresnel lenses and extremely small sweet spot. It's also uncomfortable and a bit heavy.
The biggest problem with psvr2 is that it requires incredible precision to set the sweetspot right but you dont have any Y axis setting. Like wtf... if you have the wrong headshape, psvr2 will just keep falling on the bridge of your nose and its too low for good sweetspot.

Fuck psvr2, hello pancake lenses
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I agree Quest 3 will have much better lenses, but the PSVR2 sweet spot has never been that huge of a deal for me.
 
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64bitmodels said:
yeah. PSVR2 can only work with a PS5, quest 2/3 can be used on PC. not to mention that unlike PSVR2, it's actually backwards compatible.....

We have enough console wars as is we don't need fucking VR wars.
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There always must be a war to fight on behalf of our favoured companies
 
rofif

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Romulus said:
I agree Quest 3 will have much better lenses, but the PSVR2 sweet spot has never been that huge of a deal for me.
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It is the smallest sweetspot I've ever seen on a vr sadly.
But it is a bigger issue for me because my fat head REJECTED psvr2. It just kept sliding up on the back of my head no matter how tight it was
 
FoxMcChief

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AJUMP23 said:
I don't think I am getting VR, I like it, but I can't justify the price. HL:Alyx is about the only thing I want to play.
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HL:A is worth jumping into the VR medium for. It’s a top 3 gaming experience in my entire life. It’s up there with Mario 64 3D platforming and Call of Duty 4 multiplayer experiences, imo. Those are my top three.
 
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Pelao

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Any news on whether it will use foveated rendering? I'm interested for the exclusives, but not if it will look significantly blurrier than PSVR2.
 
nemiroff

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Trogdor1123 said:
Can someone break it down for me? I want to buy a set but don’t know which. I’m thinking the psvr2 for my ps5 but might get a new headset for pc as I’m looking at building a new one any ways
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Well, as a VR veteran and enthusiast who has bought and keep buying a lot of headsets, here's a warning: Do NOT listen to individuals in this thread who I bet none has tried all the options in the market.

And if you see someone who says "PCVR" as if it's all the same it's a sure sign they dont know what they're talking about.

Anyway, to be slightly helpful, I'll point out that there are youtubers out there who do VR headset testing across the board (including standalone and PSVR) for a living, at least start there and see how it aligns with your situation. (I'm on my phone, maybe I'll post links later)

Personally I'm waiting for the new wave of pancake lens tethered headsets to replace my 4K Reverb G2.
 
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FoxMcChief

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Trogdor1123 said:
Can someone break it down for me? I want to buy a set but don’t know which. I’m thinking the psvr2 for my ps5 but might get a new headset for pc as I’m looking at building a new one any ways
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Get the Quest 3. It will be compatible with your PC, plus it can play its own set of games when not tethered to hardware.

Seems like a no brainer to me. Especially if you want to watch porn. Which we all do, but just don’t talk about.
 
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nemiroff

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Hmm, I have a lot of headsets, but initially I like what I see here. This might be good casual companion to my tethered headset that I use for simulators.
 
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reksveks

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Trogdor1123 said:
Can someone break it down for me? I want to buy a set but don’t know which. I’m thinking the psvr2 for my ps5 but might get a new headset for pc as I’m looking at building a new one any ways
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How urgently do you need a VR headset? I would just wait for the quest 3 reviews personally.
 
Buggy Loop

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Pelao said:
Any news on whether it will use foveated rendering? I'm interested for the exclusives, but not if it will look significantly blurrier than PSVR2.
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What do you mean? Foveated introduces blur but keeps focus with eyes to not notice.

Quest 3 will simply be full resolution..

Pancake lenses will make the DOF and sweet spot more effective than any fresnel solution (and PSVR2 is even more narrow sweet spot than typical fresnel solutions)
 
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DemonGamerTTT

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Trogdor1123 said:
Can someone break it down for me? I want to buy a set but don’t know which. I’m thinking the psvr2 for my ps5 but might get a new headset for pc as I’m looking at building a new one any ways
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Here's what I got about all of those so far:
  1. PSVR 2: This headset is designed exclusively for the PS5 console, which means you need to own one to use it. It has good lenses that provide a clear and immersive view of the virtual world. It also has gorgeous games that take advantage of the PS5's graphics and processing power. The tracking for the controllers is good and accurate, and it also supports foveated rendering based on eye tracking, which means the headset can adjust the resolution and detail of the image depending on where you are looking, this can help game performance as well . The reviews for the PSVR 2 are very good across the board, and many users praise its comfort and quality.
  2. Quest 2: This headset is a standalone device that can run its own games without a PC or console. However, the graphics are not very impressive compared to the PSVR 2 or PCVR games. The controllers are good but not excellent, and they can lose tracking if you move them too much to the side, down or back of your head. You can also play PCVR games with the Quest 2 using a cable or wifi, but there is some latency and compression artifacts that can affect the image quality and immersion. The Quest 2 has passthrough, which means you can see your environment and play mixed reality games, but it is black and white and the lenses have a little bit of fish eye effect.
  3. Quest 3: This seems to be a good upgrade over Quest 2, which was released in 2020. It is smaller and lighter, which makes it more comfortable to wear. It has better controllers that track the headset instead of the other way around, which improves their accuracy and range. It also has color passthrough with better cameras, which will allow you to have a very good mixed reality experience. It will probably work very easily with PC VR games, but it is still going with the wifi route, which is not very impressive. Someone pointed out that their new processor has AV1 decoding capabilities, which is great because it has a very good image quality even with low bitrates. However, it will have even more latency than the old h264 one.

Basically:
  • If you like to play fast and responsive games that are easily affected by latency(Beat Saber, maybe multiplayer games) PSVR cold be a good option as you already have a PS5.
  • If you just want some experience in standalone VR + some PCVR at the cheap quest 2 is a good option but you will have to deal with not perfect image quality and some latency.
  • If you want standalone VR plus have a newer hardware(is going to be supported longer and play newer games in the future) with very promising integration with PCVR(better image decoding with AV1) but are willing to deal with latency(isn't going to be better than its predecessor) than quest 3 may be a option for you.
 
Buggy Loop

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Anyway, this is high on my wishlist. Can’t wait to see the games for it.

Native lone echo or half life Alyx should be possible (I doubt valve will port). The chipset is way beasties. Teraflops aren’t everything, the chip also has ML tensor cores and RT. Mostly interested in the AI upscaling possibilities.

I said that my next headset would not be fresnel and I’m already in the Quest 2 ecosystem so keeping the games is a big plus. I’m never going back to wired either unless it’s a cockpit sim for flying or races. I switched from wired to wireless midway through my Half life Alyx play and it was a game changer.

Valve would have to announce a killer Deckard and soon! Announce it with Half life 3 VR and packed with the headset ;)
 
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Romulus

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rofif said:
It is the smallest sweetspot I've ever seen on a vr sadly.
But it is a bigger issue for me because my fat head REJECTED psvr2. It just kept sliding up on the back of my head no matter how tight it was
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Fair enough. I sort of jump the gun with your opinion initially but I ran into a friend recently with the same issue. It was manageable but barely.
 
Pelao

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Buggy Loop said:
What do you mean? Foveated introduces blur but keeps focus with eyes to not notice.

Quest 3 will simply be full resolution..

Pancake lenses will make the DOF and sweet spot more effective than any fresnel solution (and PSVR2 is even more narrow sweet spot than typical fresnel solutions)
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On PSVR2 at least, it is quite noticeable when a game does not take advantage of foveated rendering as it looks more blurry in game, due to not optimizing the rendering resolution where you are looking.
If Meta Quest 3 doesn't have a similar system, I assume that either the games will have to be less graphically ambitious to reach the native resolution of the device or they will look blurrier due to not being able to reach it.
 
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Ozriel

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James Sawyer Ford said:
No, power will be what pushes it forward

I don’t think these platforms will have sticky lineups

If I have a Quest 2, what does the Quest 3 have that justifies buying a new headset? The leap simply isn’t good enough. Hence why power pushes it forward
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The leap is more than good enough. Much more powerful hardware, more comfortable, less bulky, higher res screens, AR apps…

It’s a true generation ahead of the Quest 2.
 
FoxMcChief

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The AR stuff alone is a sweet jump in the right direction for this kind of tech. I wonder how many games might force you to use both VR and AR.
 
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Ozriel

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FunkMiller said:
It's the same price as PSVR2, but will be a lot less powerful.
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Way more portable, easier to travel with, PCVR support, AR mode.

Also cheaper than PSVR2.

No need to downplay one side.

FunkMiller said:
The PSVR2 is the best place to go if you want the highest visual fidelity games, with the least amount of hassle. I find PCVR to be way too finnicky with all the settings you have to fuck about with to get things in a sweet spot. PSVR2 is the best of both worlds... easy to use, with the most advanced games.
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The most advanced VR game is still PCVR exclusive, and VR games on Steam are hassle free. Get a decent PC
 
Buggy Loop

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rofif said:
It is the smallest sweetspot I've ever seen on a vr sadly.
But it is a bigger issue for me because my fat head REJECTED psvr2. It just kept sliding up on the back of my head no matter how tight it was
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It's even narrower than most fresnel solutions. I really don't understand why.

Pancake lenses are game changers.

Also let's not forget subpixels (because unlike TVs, it’s a few inches from your face)

Quest 2: 1,832 x 1920 x 3 = 10552320
PSVR2: 2000 x 2040 x 2.5 = 10200000 (It's 2 pixels with a shared subpixel, 5/2 = 2.5, diamond pentile)
Pico 4: 2160 x 2160 x 3 = 13996800
Quest 3: 2064 x 2208 x 3 = 13671936

It's 34% more subpixels.
 
rofif

rofif

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Buggy Loop said:
It's even narrower than most fresnel solutions. I really don't understand why.

Pancake lenses are game changers.

Also let's not forget subpixels (because unlike TVs, it’s a few inches from your face)

Quest 2: 1,832 x 1920 x 3 = 10552320
PSVR2: 2000 x 2040 x 2.5 = 10200000 (It's 2 pixels with a shared subpixel, 5/2 = 2.5, diamond pentile)
Pico 4: 2160 x 2160 x 3 = 13996800
Quest 3: 2064 x 2208 x 3 = 13671936

It's 34% more subpixels.
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oh yeah for sure. subpixels make a huge difference but I still take that "newpaper" grain like on quest 1 with OLED.
psvr2 got like an additional effect of mura or something. really strange compared to other oleds
 
Gamerguy84

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Have a Q2 and a PSVR2. Will take a look though and see if something is therr that would make ms sell my Q2 for this upgrade.

Also glad to hear they are updating my Q2.
 
FunkMiller

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Ozriel said:
The most advanced VR game is still PCVR exclusive, and VR games on Steam are hassle free. Get a decent PC
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I have a 3070 and a Ryzen 9 5900. psvr2 is better and easier. PCVR games are not hassle free. Not with a Quest 2 anyway.

Quest is better for convenience and portability (when not playing pc games), but psvr2 is far better for the actual gaming experience.
 
DenchDeckard

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I'm going in on the quest 3. Just to confirm it's an USB c cable from pc to headset to stream my games?

I have loads of quest games snd steam games so looking forward to this.
 
Buggy Loop

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Apple will probably have these optics btw, or close to it by the rumours, 4k4k micro OLED 5000 nits



Just super stupid price probably. I'm hoping Deckard is announced before Quest 3 release so that it makes easier to decide which path to go. Quest 3 otherwise if Deckard is not any time soon. (they were rumoured with micro OLED too.
 
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