Tumble at sixteen instead of Blood for Blood? Path of the Assassin at level one? IdrA is kind of a scrub.
Introduction to MOBAs
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The_Hitcher89
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I wanted to like Dota 2 so much 
Just don't have the patience to get good at it. Can't handle the one-on-one battles against even the bots in the training mode, let alone keep track of couriers/items/tower priority etc
Just don't have the patience to get good at it. Can't handle the one-on-one battles against even the bots in the training mode, let alone keep track of couriers/items/tower priority etc
Turin Turambar
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A new top plays of Smite has been released, it's a good chance to show the game here to people who doesn't know it but maybe are interested
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSw88U3E7CQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSw88U3E7CQ
dude hes just playing the game for fun, whats your problem?
sobaka770
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If you mean SmartCast, then not yet, but devs said there will definitely be. (there's no keybinding yet, Alpha build lol)
this has taught me league needs a catgirl champion
also smite looks fun but super weird. i dunno if i could appreciate the mix
There is key rebinding and matchking for DotA vis customkeys.txt and Dotacash respectively. More importantly, Dota 2 is still lacking most of the alternate modes and customizations such as Easy Mode, Death Match, Super Creeps, All STR/AGI/INT, etc.
b&jy77VjiKn$#F
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Ha, never get old.
Ya that's what I meant. It's called quick cast in league and I dont really play dota anymore so I forgot what its called in that. But ya, if it's not there now i'd assumed it would be coming. Good to know the devs said they are going to add it.
Is that Nasus' wife?
yea totes but ahri in general is the bestest thing ever
still wouldn't say no to proper catigrl
Imperfected
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Nidalee's a catgirl.
Or a girlcat. I always get the two confused.
Or a girlcat. I always get the two confused.
Dota has two!
*Girls that ride cats, not girls that are cats.
foxes aren't cats
I thought there never was a good community around that game. There was the quiet group and the vocal group. And the vocal group was... not good.This thread makes me sad that Super Monday Night Combat is dead.
If there was still a good community around that game I wouldn't even be playing Dota 2 right now
she's neither
she's a girl that turns into a cat
you need the ears and the tail for her to be the real thing
still these ahri and nidalee comments go to show that rito is on the right track
Explain this. I have no Dota 1 experience aside from playing some matches of it on stream for funziea, but I wasn't worried about the intricacies of negative armor, and attack speed.
That said, there are some differences between Dota 1 and 2 I would like to see fixed in Dota 2.
-Faceless Void's Chronosphere should be "pause" and not stun. The difference is that everything stops. If someone BKB's then gets Chrono'd, then the BKB duration countdown stops during the Chrono. I am unsure if it has this effect on channeling (thinking Sand King).
-Shadow Fiend should be able to turn when Razing. This makes a big difference in how fast you do things.
-Every bug with Meepo. One example is if a clone is killed when you have Aegis, you lose money even though it does not count as a real death. Another one is that Sand King can get multiple kills on him just by killing him once. You do this by affecting each Meepo with the Caustic Finale debuff, then kill one. All the Meepos that explode count as kills for SK. I have been double killed by one before as Meepo. It is possible for him to get a rampage just off of Meepo
This isn't really something that needs fixing. Especially now when -armor heroes like Dazzle and Slardar are so strong.
i need names
Delicious Waffles
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Thanks for the introduction. I was always curious about these types of games, especially Dota 2 since it's free to play. Thing is, I'll probably never give one a try. They seem very intimidating to get into as a complete novice.
Mirana and Luna
No it doesn't (it sells a lot, though), and I think it's a terrible game. But aside from my opinion, Smash Bros came out years after SF2, when fighting games were getting more and more complex and it was kind of an answer to that trend. In mobas, I don't see that trend, it's like after SF2 everyone was trying to make their own Smash Bros and no one was trying to make King of Fighters.
they are really hard to get to
i wouldn't really recommend playing any of these games without friends but if you have 'em, use 'em
all these games are pretty awesome
Imperfected
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You know Kitty Katarina skin is a thing, right?
Interesting. I can see why negative armor strats are so good now. It is something that can be fixed though, as going full minus armor gets ridiculous. I'm talking SF, Elder Titan, TA, VS, Dazzle, and an AC and Desolator with some Medallions for funzies
do any doto players would rather have like league skins?
i find that the pretty drawing + full change sounds a lot more satisfactory as like a purchase. like microtransactions tend to not feel rewarding, but since skins are pretty expensive and look pretty cool it almost always feels great when you get a new skin
like customization is nice but u know, full catgirl skins
i usually go for the tasteful skins since i think of myself as a fine gentleman (and i've been called such so i think there's some truth to it) but sometimes my darker side prevails
i played her once but eh
my problem with doto is that doto players like to boast about invoker and meepo and shit and then when you play it they tell you to play lina and you're like "why bother i can get this in league"
i find that the pretty drawing + full change sounds a lot more satisfactory as like a purchase. like microtransactions tend to not feel rewarding, but since skins are pretty expensive and look pretty cool it almost always feels great when you get a new skin
like customization is nice but u know, full catgirl skins
it's another one of my embarrassing skin purchases
i usually go for the tasteful skins since i think of myself as a fine gentleman (and i've been called such so i think there's some truth to it) but sometimes my darker side prevails
luna is that diana lookalike rite?
i played her once but eh
my problem with doto is that doto players like to boast about invoker and meepo and shit and then when you play it they tell you to play lina and you're like "why bother i can get this in league"
Heavy's Sandvich
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I think it's useful being the source of material and information as soon as possible. If this does take off, people will be seeking these videos.
There are full skins in Dota 2, just very few. There's one each for Lina, Legion Commander, and Terrorblade. They are unfortunately expensive as shit too.
As far as game complexity goes, the real changes compared to LoL are in terms of more nuanced game systems and more interesting items rather than individual hero abilities.
Pureauthor
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I believe either are fine, but I think the item and set system is more friendly to Valve's system of allowing most items to drop ingame.
RumblingRosco
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I remember playing Aeon of Strife heavily in Starcraft / Brood Wars. It was fairly simplistic due to the limited editor options, even when hacked, of SC/BW. I got into DOTA for Warcraft 3 and TFT and that was super addictive. Jumped into League of Legends beta and played that around the fall of 2009 as I recall but quit as soon as it left beta... I forget why, but I think I didn't feel like re-grinding everything I'd unlocked and didn't have the time to commit to the game anyway. Played HoN for about a day and didn't like it enough. Played one or two matches of Dota 2 but found it too hardcore and again I wouldn't have the time to play it enough to be competitive.
So, I'm looking forward to Heroes of the Storm. It seems the most casual-friendly, but solid enough overall to still be enjoyable. I'm excited for beta access, whenever that occurs.
So, I'm looking forward to Heroes of the Storm. It seems the most casual-friendly, but solid enough overall to still be enjoyable. I'm excited for beta access, whenever that occurs.
Dang, she was always one of my favorites.
SteveWinwood
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I do not believe keys are in any way evil.
Imperfected
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I'm always cool with giving people more customization DOTA-style, even if I had to accept a long time ago (mostly due to MMOs) that giving most people options results in them looking like clowns with disorders.
You just sort of get over the fact that "character customization" means "make the ugliest thing you can" to a significant percentage of players, I guess.
You just sort of get over the fact that "character customization" means "make the ugliest thing you can" to a significant percentage of players, I guess.
so what are doto's sjokz and euranae equivalents?
the subtleties are interesting but harder to grasp
well, it's less about her and more about my expectations being twisted by what people usually tell me when talking about the game
like people snaring their own teammates, 72 spells on a single guy, managing 4 clones at the same time, teleporting all over the map, etc.
like she might be great and actually really fun, it's just that my friends are idiots lol
yeah, it's more about what i'm told by doto players every time i talk to them
the subtleties are interesting but harder to grasp
totes, getting free cosmetics would be lovely
well, it's less about her and more about my expectations being twisted by what people usually tell me when talking about the game
like people snaring their own teammates, 72 spells on a single guy, managing 4 clones at the same time, teleporting all over the map, etc.
like she might be great and actually really fun, it's just that my friends are idiots lol
Well done on the thread Steve, nice to see that people are (mostly) getting along.
How many cosmetics are there in League? I've always wondered whether Riot are able to keep up in quantity with what a community can output. Though I expect the quality is more consistent when the company does it themselves.
How many cosmetics are there in League? I've always wondered whether Riot are able to keep up in quantity with what a community can output. Though I expect the quality is more consistent when the company does it themselves.
SteveWinwood
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there's a lot, tho imo not enough
all champions have one skin, with most having 2 or more and a few having 5 or 6. there's a bunch of legendary skins of varied qualities (some are godly, some are really bad) and there's 2 ultimate skins, both of which are pretty awesome but also pretty expensive (tho discounted enough on release that a lot of people get them)
there should be more tho, i want more
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Strife has been designed as a introductory MOBA, and it does a pretty good job at it. So if you want to get started, I'd suggest that game above everything else.
After you get bored with the limited hero pool in Strife, LoL would be next MOBA in-line, followed by DOTA2 just to see what all the fuss is about.
If non of them do it for you, then seek the newer alternatives.
The alternative starting point would be LoL bot matches.
After you get bored with the limited hero pool in Strife, LoL would be next MOBA in-line, followed by DOTA2 just to see what all the fuss is about.
If non of them do it for you, then seek the newer alternatives.
The alternative starting point would be LoL bot matches.
I still want there to be a super skin that you unlock once you own all of a champion's skins. Champ needs to have a minimum of 4 or something like that.
I'm reading that this sjokz person is an LCS host and podcast member? Seeing as Valve only have the International, it's hard to draw comparisons, but in terms of hosting I guess 2GD (some might know him from other stuff) does that for a number of tournaments these days, including the last two TIs. But the commentary studios are community ones rather than Valve.
Euranae I could only find cosplay news, which I assume isn't her main thing so I dunno.
As for hero complexity, some Dota players are always gonna try to big up the harder ones to make it seem like they are all that hard but in reality most heroes follow the same basic outline in most MOBAs. The only thing I have gathered from my friend who plays League is that there are more micro intensive heroes in Dota than most, but they aren't everywhere or anything.
Imperfected
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Yes and no. They've been doing a good job with skins lately, but they're still responsible for the Garbage Pail Kid mess that is Poppy, so they get no free passes.
Most champions have between one and three non-default skins, I'd guess. A few have significantly more, either because they're older, more popular, or just easier to make skins for than others.
The main benefit of having Riot do skins themselves is that you get stuff like Super Galaxy Rumble that, due to the sheer scale of work involved, you're pretty unlikely to see as a community-made creation. (Actually I don't think it would be allowed even if someone did make it, I'm pretty sure it breaks some rules of silhouette readability and such.)