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[C.Dark.DN]

I'm not saying AT&T is better in value but at least it covers other things that Apple doesn't. I don't think either are worth it to be honest. How often have you broken your phone in the past? The second you don't break your phone within two years, you've already spent more money than just paying the non-insured fee.

My old iPhone was screwed up multiple times.

What's the uninsured fee if you lose your phone, get it stolen, or do accidental damage?

 

[Marty Chinn]

My old iPhone was screwed up multiple times.

What's the uninsured fee if you lose your phone, get it stolen, or do accidental damage?

Was it screwed up from your damage or on its own?

AppleCare+ doesn't cover lost or stolen. Accidental damage like dropping and cracking the front glass goes up to $199.

 

[C.Dark.DN]

Was it screwed up from your damage or on its own?

AppleCare+ doesn't cover lost or stolen. Accidental damage like dropping and cracking the front glass goes up to $199.

My accidental damage.

I'm asking about non-insured fees now. So, 199$ for accidental damage. Do they cut you a deal if it's lost or stolen, or do you have to buy an unlocked, refurbished, or used one?

 

[Marty Chinn]

My accidental damage.

I'm asking about non-insured fees now. So, 199$ for accidental damage. Do they cut you a deal if it's lost or stolen, or do you have to buy an unlocked, refurbished, or used one?

I can understand your concern since you broke your phone before then.

I actually don't know what the fees are for lost or stolen. I think you just need to pay for the full price of the phone when that happens. Apple does sell refurbished ones for a bit of a discount.

 

[C.Dark.DN]

I can understand your concern since you broke your phone before then.

I actually don't know what the fees are for lost or stolen. I think you just need to pay for the full price of the phone when that happens. Apple does sell refurbished ones for a bit of a discount.

My 3G literally has no glass or home button right now. The ear piece doesn't work. Have to use speaker phone and turn it off and oneach time I want to switch apps. lol.

Rather than buying a lcd/glass/home button assembled replacement of ebay for the third time, I'm waiting to upgrade next week.

The ebay replacements were always quirky.

I haven't canceled my service because I have the old unlimited plan.

 

[Marty Chinn]

My 3G literally has no glass or home button right now. The ear piece doesn't work. Have to use speaker phone and turn it off and oneach time I want to switch apps.

Rather than buying a lcd/glass/home button assembled replacement of ebay for the third time, I'm waiting to upgrade next week.

The ebay replacements were always quirky.

I haven't canceled my service because I have the old unlimited plan.

Man what do you do with your phone? =) Fair enough then, sounds like you're a case where it may be beneficial to get it. Although that third time wouldn't have been covered =)

 

[C.Dark.DN]

Man what do you do with your phone? =) Fair enough then, sounds like you're a case where it may be beneficial to get it. Although that third time wouldn't have been covered =)

I'm horrible with things that need to be carried. I had to get plastic glasses to stop having problems with bent metal frames.

AT&T users are eligible for yearly iPhone upgrades right? So you technically only need a year of insurance?

 

[Marty Chinn]

I'm horrible with things that need to be carried. I had to get plastic glasses to stop having problems with bent metal frames.

AT&T users are eligible for yearly iPhone upgrades right? So you technically only need a year of insurance?

I think it's 18 months, maybe 21. Definitely not yearly.

 

[C.Dark.DN]

I think it's 18 months, maybe 21. Definitely not yearly.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1238878
Apparently people were getting a 1 year upgrade if their bill was over $100, but they changed it to around 20 months recently. Or something.

So, none of us can upgrade to the next iPhone?

Makes no sense.

 

[ramyeon]

Just splurged and ordered an unlocked 64GB White off Apple's site. I'm half way through a 2 year contract with an iPhone 4 but I'm going overseas for a year and need an unlocked phone. Will be passing the old 4 onto my mum probably, along with the contract.

 

[Tralfamadore64]

Any word on how soon these supply issues are going to be handled? I'm ready for my phone. I don't know if they think I'm not ready yet, but I am. Just... just take my money, and give me my phone. Slap one together, I'll come to you, Apple. I'm really done with the turn on/turn off to switch apps and the dishragging my phone to get the screen working.

 

[White Man]

I don't think the 5.0.1 patch did anything noticeable for my battery or 3G drops.

 

[Get'sMad]

Got mine yesterday after torturous 10 day wait from Apple (actually it wasn't that bad).

Loving it--- especially coming from a 3G which had caused a ton of issues for me in the last half year or so.

Updated to 5.0.1 right away...haven't noticed anything obvious or glaring when it comes to battery drain yet. but who knows I've only had it for a day and a half.

 

[Goreomedy]

I don't think the 5.0.1 patch did anything noticeable for my battery or 3G drops.

Same here.

Placebo patch?

 

[Bgamer90]

I am weak. White or Black?

Both are nice but white follows the "modern minimalist" style so I like it more.

 

[btkadams]

I don't think the 5.0.1 patch did anything noticeable for my battery or 3G drops.

yeah mine is the exact same.

 

[JaseMath]

For the iPhone 5, Apple really needs to ditch the physical home button. A capacitive button would work much better for a variety of reasons IMO. Other than that, after a month after switching from my Droid, I'm pretty happy.

 

[LCfiner]

Both are nice but white follows the "modern minimalist" style so I like it more.

yeah, I’ll pile on here. I really like the look of the white one now that I’ve had it for a while. I like the matching front and back faces plus I think it fits with the whole monolithic slab design of the 4 and 4S.

I definitely like the white look better on the phone than on the iPad or even the new iPod touch.

 

[Marty Chinn]

For the iPhone 5, Apple really needs to ditch the physical home button. A capacitive button would work much better for a variety of reasons IMO. Other than that, after a month after switching from my Droid, I'm pretty happy.

No, god no. They already made this mistake on the 3rd Gen iPod. That quickly got rectified and never happened again in any iPod released since then. You need the tactile feedback for the home button or it hinders usability.

 

[JaseMath]

No, god no. They already made this mistake on the 3rd Gen iPod. That quickly got rectified and never happened again in any iPod released since then. You need the tactile feedback for the home button or it hinders usability.

How so? It's that way on Android, and speaking from experience, it never once hindered my usability for any reason.

 

[cuevas. PhD.]

iPhone needs a menu button

 

[Marty Chinn]

How so? It's that way on Android, and speaking from experience, it never once hindered my usability for any reason.

Does Android use double tap gestures and hold gestures? The 3rd Gen iPod you could never really tell when you pressed and when you didn't press the button and it was really irritating. I really hope they don't go that way because that may make me upgrade to a 4S instead of a 5. 3rd Gen iPod was the worst iPod I ever owned because of the capacitive buttons. It's also the only iPod that did that so I think that says a lot. Like it or not, the home button is used for too many different things now to make it a capacitive button.

 

[LCfiner]

How so? It's that way on Android, and speaking from experience, it never once hindered my usability for any reason.

no, Marty is right.

a capacitive button on the face of the device can easily be accidentally triggered. example, watching a movie and holding it landscape then you trigger it when brushing against it. or if you’re scrolling or swiping rapidly in an app and your finger touches that spot.

no real point to make it capacitive except to make it seem more star trek-y (or of the home buttons were breaking left and right). the current method of requiring a push and getting that feedback works better

(it also helps with the need for quickly double tapping to bring up the recent items list and playback controls)

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

The current Home button is the best thing Apple has ever made.

 

[JaseMath]

Does Android use double tap gestures and hold gestures? The 3rd Gen iPod you could never really tell when you pressed and when you didn't press the button and it was really irritating. I really hope they don't go that way because that may make me upgrade to a 4S instead of a 5. 3rd Gen iPod was the worst iPod I ever owned because of the capacitive buttons. It's also the only iPod that did that so I think that says a lot. Like it or not, the home button is used for too many different things now to make it a capacitive button.

Android does use hold gestures and I don't see why double taps would be a problem. Having used both, I'll take capacitive over physical any day of the week. To each his own though - I don't think you're wrong, I just don't agree.

 

[nataku]

I only owned an Android phone for a week but was constantly hitting the capacitive buttons when holding or picking up the phone. Sure I may have gotten used to it after awhile but it still drove me nuts.

 

[giga]

Keep physical button. Add small gesture area. Swipe up to go home. See: Palm Pre.

 

[Technosteve]

Leave my button alone, second the swipe from an edge to go home. Love that feature in webos

 

[giga]

Actually swipe up from the gesture area to go into the app switcher might be better. I use four finger swipe up on the iPad so much now because it just feels more intuitive than double clicking the home button.

 

[tangmaster96]

the buttons on the side of the new iphone just make it that much more sweeter

 

[Deleted member 22576]

Dude they gotta figure out some way to let you know whats going on with your phone without opening up notification center. Its crazy when I pull it down and out of nowhere there are 6 notifications. Apple doesn't seem too keen on loading the status bar up with icons. But maybe they could make a little light that turns on inside the speaker grill or something. Its climbing down my back in a big way.

Really like the phone after its been coated in all my skin oils after the first week or so. Its not as slippery as it was when I got it.

 

[Oppo]

For the iPhone 5, Apple really needs to ditch the physical home button. A capacitive button would work much better for a variety of reasons IMO. Other than that, after a month after switching from my Droid, I'm pretty happy.

I disagree. I think that one central, physical button is actually reassuring for many users. Software buttons or those with no feedback (capacitive) always lack that reassuring tactile response. The Home button lets you know, no matter what, it will get you out of wherever you are and back to familiar territory. Plus, what would the advantage of a capacitive button be, beyond some very minor aesthetic quibble?

To each his own though - I don't think you're wrong, I just don't agree.

No but seriously, why? What's so preferable?

 

[tmdorsey]

Dude they gotta figure out some way to let you know whats going on with your phone without opening up notification center. Its crazy when I pull it down and out of nowhere there are 6 notifications. Apple doesn't seem too keen on loading the status bar up with icons. But maybe they could make a little light that turns on inside the speaker grill or something. Its climbing down my back in a big way.

Really like the phone after its been coated in all my skin oils after the first week or so. Its not as slippery as it was when I got it.

Do you have those notifications set to display on the lock screen? If your phone isn't locked and you feel like you are missing notifications the turn on badge notifications. The badges are the indicator that lets me know I need to check the notification center.

 

[Deleted member 22576]

Yeah, I have lockscreen and badges turned on. Its more just when I'm reading a book or cruising gaf or something and get messages and willfully ignore them and then forget about them. I think I just really became trained to always keep my peripheral vision on the look out for a flashing LED. And not having that just kills me. I mean, god, apple even has the default set to notify you of text messages TWICE. How is that not an admission the iPhone needs some sort of passive notifier?

My friend got a 4S today. We played around with facetime, which is funny when the phones are in the same room. It creates an endless feedback loop. I'm also tracking her with find my friends now.. which is awesome and slightly creepy.


Its kinda weird.. I had forgotten how ingrained the iPhone is in pop culture. We were at this chinese restaurant and the waiter just casually interjects "oh yeah, I went and got mine on the first day" blah blah blah.. he was totally eavesdropping on our conversation.

 

[RPS37]

Yeah, I have lockscreen and badges turned on. Its more just when I'm reading a book or cruising gaf or something and get messages and willfully ignore them and then forget about them. I think I just really became trained to always keep my peripheral vision on the look out for a flashing LED. And not having that just kills me. I mean, god, apple even has the default set to notify you of text messages TWICE. How is that not an admission the iPhone needs some sort of passive notifier?
.

I assume you know that you can use the flash for LED notification and that's probably not what you're looking for, but there is that.

 

[Blackhead]

I assume you know that you can use the flash for LED notification and that's probably not what you're looking for, but there is that.

The flash only goes off only when you get the message; it doesn't go off repeatedly. Plus it's at the freaking back of your phone, you ain't going to notice it unless you're in a room with the lights off at the middle of the night.

 

[RPS37]

The flash only goes off only when you get the message; it doesn't go off repeatedly. Plus it's at the freaking back of your phone, you ain't going to notice it unless you're in a room with the lights off at the middle of the night.

Wow. That's lame.

 

[Deleted member 22576]

Apple inadvertently created the perfect social network. Or at least has put the building blocks in place. A girl I've been hanging out with just got a 4S a few days ago, so naturally we've started tracking one another by GPS.

iMessage, FaceTime and Find Friends come together to create something very powerful. There is something very compelling going on here. Its very personal. Its the closest anyone has gotten to emulating another's presence. Which is the whole point of communication technology, right? Attachment.

I got back from a ride to Trader Joe's, pulled out my phone and was greeted with a message asking me what I had purchased. I replied with a photo. I wanted to FaceTime because my cat was doing something stupid but could see that she was not at home so I sent a video instead.

None of these concepts are new or novel. But as with everything, Apple creates the least amount of friction that comes with embracing these technologies. There is a real and tangible connection created. I've never felt as connected to another person through technology than I do using these services. Latitude, MMS, Gmail, etc. don't even come close to providing that sense of attachment.

 

[Doytch]

Dude, you didn't even deem to call her a girlfriend and you put a literal goddamn tracking beacon on your ass for her?

 

[Deleted member 22576]

wat?

 

[Doytch]

Was a half-joke. This is a girl you're dating, right?

 

[Deleted member 22576]

I only do things that I want to do for my own personal benefit.

 

[Soulscribe]

So three members of my family purchased a 4S over the course of the last week and a half so I've been working full time getting them all set up. It's amazing how they all were so eager to buy one but once they had it in their hands had no idea what to do with them. It's been a fun ride for me.

So my mom's iPhone arrives on Friday and she's upgrading from an old Razr. Is it possible to transfer information over from one phone to another without going to the ATT store? I set up the other phones as brand new units so I didn't have to worry about backing up contacts, so I dunno how to approach this one without having to go down to the store. Anyone?

EDIT: Anyone notice how the metal band on the 4S feels different from the one on the 4? It feels more matted or something, and is way less prone to fingerprints. I like it a lot more.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

I think Siri hates my wife. It is her phone, and most of the normal Siri joke questions dont work for her. It always says she is being insensitive, or gives her literal answers. I take the phone and do the same thing and it gives all the responses she was wanting.

Either it hates her, or it doesn't take me seriously at all.

 

[Deleted member 22576]

Obviously a glance at the settings menu would give me the answer, but is there anyway to shut off how Siri activates when you hold the phone up to your ear? I HATE that, it false triggers all the time.


...

Sweet. Turned it off.

 

[Husker86]

Apple inadvertently created the perfect social network. Or at least has put the building blocks in place. A girl I've been hanging out with just got a 4S a few days ago, so naturally we've started tracking one another by GPS.

iMessage, FaceTime and Find Friends come together to create something very powerful. There is something very compelling going on here. Its very personal. Its the closest anyone has gotten to emulating another's presence. Which is the whole point of communication technology, right? Attachment.

I got back from a ride to Trader Joe's, pulled out my phone and was greeted with a message asking me what I had purchased. I replied with a photo. I wanted to FaceTime because my cat was doing something stupid but could see that she was not at home so I sent a video instead.

None of these concepts are new or novel. But as with everything, Apple creates the least amount of friction that comes with embracing these technologies. There is a real and tangible connection created. I've never felt as connected to another person through technology than I do using these services. Latitude, MMS, Gmail, etc. don't even come close to providing that sense of attachment.

Honest question as I haven't seen what Find Friends is like but how is it different than Latitude?

Also, with family members I would feel creepy sending them a message asking what they bought based on me seeing their GPS beacon at a store...I can't imagine acquaintances. I guess if it was an ongoing back-and-forth thing it would be different.

 

[Deleted member 22576]

I honestly only used latitude like once, but from my recollection it was very janky and hard to use. And I think there was also some weird stuff where like by default others could see you on the map. Not friends, but just other latitude users in general. Find Friends feels very private.

As far as the creepiness factor.. yeah, its kinda there. I expect to turn it off once the fun wheres off. I think any sort of "creep factor" was completely mitigated by the excitement of new phones. Its also just a thing that I've been wanting to check out for YEARS. Like since Helio Mobile was touting that feature in the Pre-iPhone era. I wouldn't want my family or really any of my other friends to track me either, though. Its a very selective process to figure out who gets to track you and who doesn't.

I think you're right, I think the only reason it feels so powerful is because I do talk to this one specific person a lot throughout the day. So its just another layer on top of that. I mean, just by the nature of communicating so often my whereabouts are pretty much known anyway.

You can also disable it without unfriending people though. I think. So like, you know, turn it on a music festival or when you're going to meet someone downtown or what have you.

I'm still stewing on my experiences with it. I'm not really positive how I feel about it yet. But it is very thought provoking. It feels like the first genuinely "new" feature I've played with in a long time. Somehow having that knowledge of a person's physical location changes everything about communicating with them.

 

[Husker86]

I honestly only used latitude like once, but from my recollection it was very janky and hard to use. And I think there was also some weird stuff where like by default others could see you on the map. Not friends, but just other latitude users in general. Find Friends feels very private.

As far as the creepiness factor.. yeah, its kinda there. I expect to turn it off once the fun wheres off. I think any sort of "creep factor" was completely mitigated by the excitement of new phones. Its also just a thing that I've been wanting to check out for YEARS. Like since Helio Mobile was touting that feature in the Pre-iPhone era. I wouldn't want my family or really any of my other friends to track me either, though. Its a very selective process to figure out who gets to track you and who doesn't.

I think you're right, I think the only reason it feels so powerful is because I do talk to this one specific person a lot throughout the day. So its just another layer on top of that. I mean, just by the nature of communicating so often my whereabouts are pretty much known anyway.

You can also disable it without unfriending people though. I think. So like, you know, turn it on a music festival or when you're going to meet someone downtown or what have you.

I'm still stewing on my experiences with it. I'm not really positive how I feel about it yet. But it is very thought provoking. It feels like the first genuinely "new" feature I've played with in a long time. Somehow having that knowledge of a person's physical location changes everything about communicating with them.

I'm not trying to downplay it but Latitude is just like that. You have to add and accept someone as a friend, you can share only general location or fine location, you can "hide" from specific people without them knowing, you can also set it to continuously update a specific person for 15 minutes (second-by-second tracking of them); this was nice when I was stuck on my quad with a dead battery in some trails and my friend came and found me!

If anything this shows no matter if what Apple adds has been done before, they obviously have more influence to have people actually try features than Android.

Either way, both implementations seem pretty cool, I'll have to check out Apple's in person when I can.

 

[Deleted member 22576]

If anything this shows no matter if what Apple adds has been done before, they obviously have more influence to have people actually try features than Android.

Absolutely.

I also think part of it is that just more people have iPhones. When I tried out Latitude it was within the first few weeks of having my Droid. Which was like 2009. Obviously the landscape has changed drastically since then, but I still don't know many people with Android devices in real life. The majority of my friends don't even have smartphones. And those who do have iPhones.

Its also not just Find Friends. Its Find Friends combined with FaceTime and iMessage that makes the entire experience so impactful.

 

[talisayNon]

So like i said i still have my iphone 4s unused, carrier verizon. I've decided to give it to my girlfriend.

She's on verizon. Is it ok if she activates the Iphone 4s with her number then i take her old iphone and activate that with my current number? My mom bought this iphone for 200 dollars and signed a 2 year warranty with verizon..not sure if it's ok to just give it to another person on the same carrier?