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ReconYoda said:
They aren't even doing a Touch refresh every year anyways. This year they added a white model, but the black model IS last years model.
i dont see how my post disagres with that? because iphones come out every year developers have to cater to a variety of models with different specs. im not sure if the 3gs is not being phased out or stopped, but you're now going to find devs targetting the 3gs or iphone 4 (probably the iphone 4 because that has sold shit loads). only a few will push the 4s, unless theres some kind of push to make gaming a bigger feature?Marty Chinn said:
if anything, that argument pretty much plays into the 2 year consumer cycle, of that you shouldn't buy the latest iphones because nobody will be taking advantage of them anyway.
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Phoenix said:
Someone said the same thing in a Google+ post, I asked him to show me, he deleted his comment.
Ars had an article a few months ago on the two sensors 8MP Apple could've used for the 4S - http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2...phone-5-camera-wont-be-much-of-an-upgrade.arsMRORANGE said:the iPhone 4S still has a pretty dam small sensor most Point and shoot's could easily take it on, people who want this phone because of the camera are mad. 1080p is nice though.
big takeaway? it's another cellphone camera.
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Tobor said:
Games are still important, but they are just one aspect. Not everyone plays games. Let's also remember that those that push the hardware are also only a very small percentage and not the norm. Most games are designed to run well across the different platforms in order to not fragment their business.
There are plenty of things that could take advantage of more processing power, but the question is what really does and how does it affect you in a real world situation. As I said before, I think Siri is a good example. I think however, you're going to be hard pressed to find things that are going to run inferior on an iPhone 4 compared to an iPhone 4S. Heck, find me stuff that is noticeably different between a 3GS and a 4. That should speak volumes.
As others have said, the iPhone 4 is so great, that and developers trying to not fragment their market will limit taking advantage of these year spec bumps. They're nice on paper, but they are far less of a big deal compared to other announced features.
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Chinner said:
Don't forget the touch has the A4 and only 256 megs of RAM. Also the OG iPad only has 256 RAM. Neither device even has the 512 that the iPhone 4 has.
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Tobor said:
No, I don't enjoy playing 3D games on the iPhone because touch controls are terrible for those kinds of games. The only games I play are the 2D ones like bejeweled and stuff like that where the control scheme doesn't hinder the gameplay.
So yes, they are no longer important to me.
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So iphone 4 users. almost no reason to upgrade (unless your gary whitta).
-Like facetime and voice control and compass, siri will be a 1 trick pony until something isn't recognized and then you don't bother using it.
- With the 'new' ipod touch confirmed to still use A4 chipset, I'm pretty sure pretty much all apps will still work super fine on iphone 4.
- ios 5 isn't ios 4 for iphone 3g.
Wait another year and hopefully your phone won't shatter by then ;P
-Like facetime and voice control and compass, siri will be a 1 trick pony until something isn't recognized and then you don't bother using it.
- With the 'new' ipod touch confirmed to still use A4 chipset, I'm pretty sure pretty much all apps will still work super fine on iphone 4.
- ios 5 isn't ios 4 for iphone 3g.
Wait another year and hopefully your phone won't shatter by then ;P
I wonder which iPhone 4 the iPhone 4S looks like -- the Verizon or AT&T one?
I have the AT&T .. and it would be awesome if I could still use the same Bumper cases with the 4S. You can't with the Verizon iPhone 4 though.
HOWEVER, now that there's no antenna issues I might not even use a Bumper. So long as my skins fit (which they should).
I have the AT&T .. and it would be awesome if I could still use the same Bumper cases with the 4S. You can't with the Verizon iPhone 4 though.
HOWEVER, now that there's no antenna issues I might not even use a Bumper. So long as my skins fit (which they should).
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Marty Chinn said:
The bigger screen is the only one that would have been a tangible improvement for consumers. There are no NFC solutions out there in common use and likely won't be any for a while yet and LTE/4G in its current roll out is actually hitting where HSDPA+ is coming in at so you won't likely get much more download speed (realistically).
To be honest the only two things that people would have gotten were a new phone design and a larger screen - that's pretty much it. If people are upset by that, well... that's unfortunate.
Chinner said:
I don't know about anyone else in this thread, but I never claimed the 4S is shit. It's a better version of the iPhone 4, which was already a great phone.
But it's an updated version of the iPhone 4, hard to get excited over that.
It's got a faster CPU, but the iPhone 4 didn't have any trouble with it's processing speeds.
It's got a better camera, but the iPhone 4 didn't have a shitty camera.
It's got faster data transfer speeds, but those are theoretical and real world results never reach that.
The 3GS had a way better CPU over the 3G which had issues with graphically demanding apps.
That alone made the internal upgraded a significant factor. The 4S's enhancements are significant because the iPhone 4 never had any issues with performance.
I'm not arguing there isn't tangible benefits to nearly double the performance improvements. It will allow better and more complex software, ie Siri, to be possible, my only point is, at some point, speed is 'good enough' and other features become the selling points. The camera is a pretty good one, a new hardware design would be another. Chips, not so much.brain_stew said:
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October 14 is my birthday, I don't have a smartphone. Hint, hint, secret GAF admirer... I'd like a personal Stephen Hawking assistant.
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X-Frame said:
It's meant to look exactly like the Verizon version except that it has a sim card slot.
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bananas said:
I swear, we've made this point like 8 times over. Sigh.
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I've wanted an iPhone for a long time. I finally graduated college last May and was banking a new iPhone back last June so I could pay with it with my first few pay checks. I watched the conference and while I know the phone is damn impressive I can't help but feel a little bit disappointed. Maybe it's the lack of new design, maybe it's just a psychological effect that 4S doesn't seem like a true upgrade, or maybe because it went software upgrade over hardware upgrade. But the thing is I NEED a new phone. I've never had a smart phone, but old Samsung brick has a cracked screen and turns off on its own every couple hours.
So I know I'd be happy getting this (especially considering my parents said they'd buy it for my birthday) but I just know how I am and next year I'll be disappointed when they announce the iPhone 5. How easy is it to sell one of these a year from now and buying an iPhone 5 without having to extend my contract next year? Do people often do that when it comes to yearly upgrades?
So I know I'd be happy getting this (especially considering my parents said they'd buy it for my birthday) but I just know how I am and next year I'll be disappointed when they announce the iPhone 5. How easy is it to sell one of these a year from now and buying an iPhone 5 without having to extend my contract next year? Do people often do that when it comes to yearly upgrades?
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irfan said:
Share some of that RAM with the touch please!
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Chinner said:
The problem with this is that the 3GS still exists. Apple didn't kill it; they made it now free. So instead of phasing it out where maybe the 2 year cycle could apply, that's not going to happen. Plenty of people are going to hop on to a free iPhone and that's just going be still keeping the 3GS legacy alive rather than phasing it out.
Phoenix said:
I haven't kept up with NFC exactly, but I thought NFC devices could talk to each other.
im not making fun of you, you seem p sensible compared to the other loonies. as ive been saying, as a consumer its far better to work by the 2 year cycle both from a financial and technological point of view. i'm on a 3gs, so a 4s seems like the logical step-up (if i bother) because the the iphones have advanced greatly over the last 2 years. if i had a iphone 4, id wait until 2012.bananas said:
what im trying to say is, you have to wait to see large improvements of what you want (which appears to be design etc). its really the nature of the beast when apple is releasing models every year. they're probably on a redesign - refinement cycle and it wouldn't be worthwhile otherwise.
didn't apple say that iphone 4 has sold half as much as every other model combined? i cant remember, but youd figure the % of people owning iphone 4 greatly outnumbers the older models. then again, maybes theres an argument to be made that if people are waiting for free iphones then they're probably not going to bother buying the 'demanding' shit?the other chinn said:
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bananas said:
Time to bail out
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giga said:
That really would be awesome if done well, but I can imagine that Apple wouldn't want lazy developers messing up what could be a pretty seamless experience.
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Is the camera lens bigger? I'd like to purchase an iPhone 4 case for it and don't want to risk obscuring it in any way.
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Marty Chinn said:
Not really. The range of NFC is like 1 foot if I remember correctly. NFC is more about having devices touch each other and share information across close proximity (like electronic payments and such). NFC is for really short range, Bluetooth is for more of a local WAN.
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How practical is Siri?
I couldn't imagine using that on the bus.
If it doesn't have issues recognizing voice (this shit is like the hardest thing to do), then it would work wonders in the car... but that's the only location aside from home I would imagine using it.
I couldn't imagine using that on the bus.
If it doesn't have issues recognizing voice (this shit is like the hardest thing to do), then it would work wonders in the car... but that's the only location aside from home I would imagine using it.
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Vyer said:I don't see how 'well the iPhone 4 isn't slow' is valid. The OS isn't static, we're going to see a big update in a week or so and that will continue.
Hard to believe people are complaining/minimizing a jump to dual core. The Android guys eat that kind of shit up.
I think that's a good point, especially when you consider that a new OS and new hardware will mean new apps will come out to take advantage of it.
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