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planar1280 said:
iOS still looks good but man it needs a change of scenery. it is starting to show its age. They need to up the IQ AKA MAC OS 9 to X. I can see in the screens above that Android has come a long way and now nearly on par with iOS.
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These statements seem to be at conflict unless we're saying that Android looks even older or something despite making progress.
 
RubxQub said:
These statements seem to be at conflict unless we're saying that Android looks even older or something despite making progress.
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yes Android still has issues in UI useability but it is making grounds fast. iOS UI has gone virtually unchanged outside of a few enhancements and tweaks
 
planar1280 said:
yes Android still has issues in UI useability but it is making grounds fast. iOS UI has gone virtually unchanged outside of a few enhancements and tweaks
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But should it change just to change? It seems like they're adding capability in things like notification center and the way it handles notifications in general...but I don't think they are going to do a UI overhaul just for the sake of it.
 
Technosteve said:
then why are we having this conversation?
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Because we have differing opinions on what mature or modern software and UI design encompasses?

About the only thing competently mature or modern about the iPhone design experience is, imo the actual physicality of the device itself. The shape, look, materials, weight and feel. It's just such a shame the boldness stops short there and does not transition in to the UI itself which is the polar opposite in style and aesthetic.


RubxQub said:
These statements seem to be at conflict unless we're saying that Android looks even older or something despite making progress.
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What he's saying is that iOS5 has improved functionality but a dated aesthetic.
 
RubxQub said:
But should it change just to change? It seems like they're adding capability in things like notification center and the way it handles notifications in general...but I don't think they are going to do a UI overhaul just for the sake of it.
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every review and my own opinion on iOS5 is, yes the features are great but the UI is starting to show its age. OS 9 to OS X change wasnt really needed but did take place and now OS X is better for it
 
nib95 said:
Why? Because it dares to assume we are competent and intelligent, able to understand and accept UI that has the courage to go beyond holding our hands in appreciation for mature design?
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I find it very interesting that people feel that interfaces should require a learning curve to be usable, instead of being just intuitive.
 
The absolute worst looking thing in iOS is that popup panel with buttons when you want to share the link or whatnot. When you press the middle button from the toolbar in Safari, that one. It looks so outdated, and even inconsistent with anything else in OS. Contrast it with the notification panel, and it's just funny how completely outdated buttons panel looks in comparison.

They've also added so many buttons to it in Safari over the years that it's now running into risk of having its own scrollbar if they add one more button to it.

The fact that the iOS doesn't have Live Tiles is absolutely shameful too. Those little red balloons are pretty much lol worthy at this point compared to what you get in WM7.

nib95 said:
About the only thing competently mature or modern about the iPhone design experience is, imo the actual physicality of the device itself. The shape, look, materials, weight and feel. It's just such a shame the boldness stops short there and does not transition in to the UI itself which is the polar opposite in style and aesthetic.
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I've been feeling the same for some time now.
 
Lord-Audie said:
I find it very interesting that people feel that interfaces should require a learning curve to be usable, instead of being just intuitive.
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Exactly, a UI that "holds your hand" is the best UI you can have.
 
planar1280 said:
every review and my own opinion on iOS5 is, yes the features are great but the UI is starting to show its age. OS 9 to OS X change wasnt really needed but did take place and now OS X is better for it
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I won't deny that people are saying the OS is dated because it hasn't obviously changed on the whole...but I also don't think people should want things to change arbitrarily.

Introducing new OS schemes should improve the use of the device, not just change it because it wants to change.

Not at all saying there can't be improvements made, I'm just saying I don't have any major overhauls that I feel are really necessary. Notifications were even fine in my day to day use, but now they are even easier and nicer.

Hopefully if they do do some kind of UI overhaul, it'd be to improve the use of the platform and not just reshape it so they can slap a "new" label on the box.

I'm pretty sure we agree, just spelling it out :P
 
Lord-Audie said:
I find it very interesting that people feel that interfaces should require a learning curve to be usable, instead of being just intuitive.
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As I mentioned earlier, I am an iPhone user but the learning curve mentioned about Android devices to me is laughable as even as a non Android user I feel there isn't much to learn. My definition of intuitive evidently is very different from yours.

I see a big round horribly old fashioned 'Send' button and think, counter intuitive and ugly. I see a nice slick looking graphically poignant arrow and think, yes, this is a better use of the space surrounding it, is still just as functional without having to hold my hand in addressing what it symbolises and is in turn 'intuitive'.
 
Gary Whitta said:
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Thank you!
 
RubxQub said:
I'm telling you guys, the resolution adjustment required to make the phones have a bigger screen and still keep them retina would be awkward.

By the time the 5 comes out, I'm sure roughly 50-70% of the active market will be using either the 4 or the 4S. If the 5 hits and now apps need to be universal in a whole new way that they work on the iPhone 4/4S, iPhone 5 and iPad 2/3...it's going to start becoming a problem for developers
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This is all true. However, they can up the screen size to 3.7" and it will still be higher than 300ppi. I don't think they'll want to make the screen much bigger than that anyway as to keep it accessible to one handed usage for people with smaller hands.
 
Usage: 1 Hour, 37 Minutes
Standby: 1 Day 0 Hours
Battery: 65%

That's a huge improvement for me from the 3GS.
 
I'd like some press and hold context menus in iOS, but otherwise, it's quite an amazing mobile UI both in terms of aesthetic and functionality.
 
Zefah said:
I'd like some press and hold context menus in iOS, but otherwise, it's quite an amazing mobile UI both in terms of aesthetic and functionality.
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I mean, it's quite simply the dumbest UI you can possibly have.

"I want to run an application, therefore I poke the one I want and it runs"
"I don't want to run that application anymore, therefore I poke the only button, and it closes"

Nothing confusing about it at all at the surface. It's only when you get into more advanced things like moving around app icons, making folders, deleting apps, using gestures to delete songs/emails, jump into settings to mess with things...those are all things I'd put under "advanced". I know that sounds stupid, but I don't think anyone needs to know how to do these things to use the phone effectively. More efficiently...but not effectively.
 
Plasmid said:
I'm really pissed C-Spire has the iphone 4s now, they have a plan of unlimited data, messaging, and 500 minutes (idgaf about minutes) for 50.00/month.

That's half my AT&T bill. Fuuuckkk.

C-Spire is a southern US regional carrier, great service, even around the rest of the nation.
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I pay $50 for 500 mins, unlimited text and Internet with Sprit SERO. :p

Would be $30 with a regular phone
 
Chuck said:
Good lord those Android screens look atrocious. Thankfully Apple would never design a UI that fucking ugly.
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I don't know, Apple has done some stupid shit recently with some of their UIs. iTunes 10 saw some serious ugly revisions along with the calendar and that stupid leather bar.
 
RubxQub said:
I mean, it's quite simply the dumbest UI you can possibly have.

"I want to run an application, therefore I poke the one I want and it runs"
"I don't want to run that application anymore, therefore I poke the only button, and it closes"

Nothing confusing about it at all at the surface. It's only when you get into more advanced things like moving around app icons, making folders, deleting apps, using gestures to delete songs/emails, jump into settings to mess with things...those are all things I'd put under "advanced". I know that sounds stupid, but I don't think anyone needs to know how to do these things to use the phone affectively. More efficiently...but not effectively.
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It only sounds stupid to people who don't understand what makes iOS so great. simplicity is key.

One thing that I ran into with my time on the Nexus S was the need to manage application location due to split storage. apps are installed on a small internal partition by default and you have the ability to move them to external storage.

I hope that has been fixed in 4.0. no user on these platforms should have to worry about the location of an app between multiple storage spots. it's mind boggling that it's evern there. ugly, ugly, ugly.
 
Ok, I think you and I have vastly different ideas on what a mature user interface is. Let's break this down to what i think are the core aspects each OS tries to emulate.

Android: A PC desktop model, multiple desktops screens with widgets while a draw system to hold apps. Some apps can be pinned to these desktops and some are there by default. You need to go in to APP launcher to run your installed programs. The over all feel of the OS is like a desktop operating system, you have to navigate through it's system to get from X to Y to do Z.

iOS: There are no application shortcuts, there are only screens of application icons that's it. Every time you launch an application the Operating system give over the UI UX to the application. The device becomes what ever you are running. There are nothing superfluous, when you exit out of the application you are brought back to where your applications are. In terms of simplicity an application will do what it describes, the only navigation to reach these Apps are swiping through the "desktop" of the OS to find the application you want. Everything else in the OS is how you manipulate between Apps, how you interact with Apps outside of the one screen one App mentality and how native services interact with Apps.

iOS is dead simple, it's mature in what it does it runs Apps.

Android there is an expectation from it's user model that you can do complex tasks, it does not hide the complexity but this allows flexibility. But you need to learn how to navigate between these modes DeskTop => App Drawer => Apps
 
Sorry if this has been asked, but is there a way to resize photos on the phone (for sending texts, etc.)? I think my MMS texts might be getting blocked because the file size of the photos is so huge.
 
Crud, when setting a location sensitive reminder, does it constantly have your GPS on? Because the arrow was on the entire day for a reminder I set. I imagine that it is just letting you know it is polling your location more than constantly checking your location.
 
gutterboy44 said:
Crud, when setting a location sensitive reminder, does it constantly have your GPS on? Because the arrow was on the entire day for a reminder I set. I imagine that it is just letting you know it is polling your location more than constantly checking your location.
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I can't say exactly how frequently it's checking where you are, but yeah, the location services icon is present whenever you have a location based reminder set.
 
RubxQub said:
I can't say exactly how frequently it's checking where you are, but yeah, the location services icon is present whenever you have a location based reminder set.
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Thanks. I guess I am just going to have to get used to seeing that icon. I didn't notice any sort of unusual battery drain.
 
gutterboy44 said:
Thanks. I guess I am just going to have to get used to seeing that icon. I didn't notice any sort of unusual battery drain.
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That's the good news. I had a reminder set early in the morning and used my phone heavily all day and didn't notice any excessive drain as a result.

I'd have to play with it more to say for sure, but I was also confused what was going on until I checked the location services options and saw that it was Reminders.
 
Anyone notice that the home button on the 4S is too sensitive? I keep waking up siri in my pocket until I turned her off on the lock screen..Maybe this is contributing to the battery drain?
 
A new day of testing. Have reminders turned off, brightness at the midway point, and location services runnign for siri and facebook. It has been 3 hours off my charger and I am at 90%. So I guess I will never use reminders unless the phone is hooked up to a charger.
 
grap3fruitman said:
I can't get the Bluetooth on this thing to sync with my car. It just searches constantly. I had no issues with my previous phone. Any suggestions?
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Same thing happened to me (Ford Fiesta). The problem was with the car. I had to go into a menu on the car and make it forget my previous phone that it was synced too. Delete that from memory, and then it had no problem finding the iPhone 4S.
 
The best thing about ICS, UI wise, is the ditching of droid sans and the addition of the helvetica-clone roboto font.

I never liked droid sans. always looked off.

everything else, unfortunately, still looks poor to my eyes. I'm not a huge fan of this recent surge of leather and linen in every new apple app (the iphone launch apps don't have this fake real world object chrome and are better off for it) but it's still better than the way android does "flat" UI.

WP&, otoh, does chromeless UI much better than ICS.
 
As someone who just recently got onboard with iOS, what is this talk about leather and linen graphics on apps? The only place where I can see that as remotely applicable in iOS is with the background graphic when you open a folder. Maybe I'm just not downloading the right (wrong?) apps?
 
jiji said:
I want to use my iPhone (4S) to transfer files from a memory card (SD/CF) to cloud storage or to an external USB drive (preferable). Is there a device that will allow me to do this?
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Why would you want to use iphone for that when it doesn't have an SD slot?
 
Zefah said:
As someone who just recently got onboard with iOS, what is this talk about leather and linen graphics on apps? The only place where I can see that as remotely applicable in iOS is with the background graphic when you open a folder. Maybe I'm just not downloading the right (wrong?) apps?
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Use the App Find my Friends, it is a visual abortion.
 
How long should a completely drained 4S take to fully charge? Mine just took 3.5 hours. Is that normal? Pretty sure my 3Gs was much quicker than that.
 
Technosteve said:
Use the App Find my Friends, it is a visual abortion.
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Ah, I never downloaded it because it kind of scares me. I don't really want people to know exactly where I am, nor can I think of many situations where being able to track people using GPS would be particularly helpful to me.

cloud_sleep said:
How long should a completely drained 4S take to fully charge? Mine just took 3.5 hours. Is that normal? Pretty sure my 3Gs was much quicker than that.
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Plugged into a wall or a computer?
 
Lord Error said:
Why would you want to use iphone for that when it doesn't have an SD slot?
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Ideally, I'd need something with an external SD slot or a full-sized USB cable for connecting a memory card reader. I'm trying to figure out if this exists, and if the iPhone has any means of connecting an external storage device.
 
Epix said:
Ordered it the day after preorders started from an ATT store......still hasn't shipped...
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Same here, ordered from the website a few hours after they went on sale although my card was flagged as possible fraud so that delayed the transaction. Still waiting on my shipment but AT&T said that a new batch of phones should be shipping by the 21st.
 
cloud_sleep said:
Laptop.
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I find that charging devices takes a lot longer when you plug it into another device rather than directly into a power socket.

Oh, on the topic of battery life, I took the bus to work today and spent about 40 minutes playing Infinity Blade, 5 minutes playing Tiny Wings, 10 minutes playing Aralon HD, and another 15 minutes or so using the 3G connection to check email, Facebook, G+, Twitter, and browse GAF. I left the house with a 100% charge and by the time I arrived at work I was down to 70%.
 
OK, this is weird. My 4S seems to crash (needs to be reset) every day at around (or maybe exactly on) 2:00 pm. Any thoughts?
 
Matt said:
OK, this is weird. My 4S seems to crash (needs to be reset) every day at around (or maybe exactly on) 2:00 pm. Any thoughts?
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I dunno, but are you using the trick to place the newsstand folder in a folder? If you have mags/apps in that newsstand and put it in a folder, when it does the automatic DL thing it could crash.

Other than that, I have no clue bro. Make sure it's the exact same time every time, and you'll narrow the causes greatly.
 
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