Worm_Buffet
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Terrell said:
Perhaps developers are given the choice to kill the iPod app in order to use more memory?
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Perhaps developers are given the choice to kill the iPod app in order to use more memory?
dskillzhtown
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I know I am late to the party, but just got Pandora today, and it is marvelous!
Kung Fu Jedi
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Costanza said:
Well, depending on how it was delivered, they wouldn't be able to do anything about it really.
dskillzhtown
keep your strippers out of my American football
Kung Fu Jedi said:
That is what I was thinking. If they just created a site with the iPhone in mind, Apple couldn't do much about it.
Iron_Scimitar
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nakedsushi said:
Its good to 'exercise' the battery. Let the battery run down to empty or near empty at least once a month.
Kung Fu Jedi
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Terrell said:
Considering they are all still under an NDA and can't even talk to one another about the tips and tricks they can do for iPhone development, I wouldn't just chalk it all up to "lazy developers".
Apple needs to lift the NDA so they can all share their knowledge and insights. I'm sure we'll see better apps when that happens, and it'll build a sense of community amongst the developers as well.
How would lifting the NDA help in this circumstance? Do we really think that Apple wouldn't provide basic information with the SDK to developers about how to run iPod functionality in the background?! Do we REALLY think Apple is that stupid that they would deprive developers of a function that anyone who owns an iPhone would want?!Kung Fu Jedi said:
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MercuryLS said:So after about an hour of fiddling, i've got an unlocked 2.0 iPhone (2G version). Fucking awesome
Nice. It took me a day and a half to unlock mine. I searched the web for an unlocking method, that took about a half an hour. It took me a day to figure out how to put the phone into DFU mode. Thanks to youtube (Which I totally forgot to check) it all worked out.
Kung Fu Jedi
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Terrell said:
Hmm... all the iPhone developers screaming about not being able to share information means nothing of course and the fact that they're annoyed as hell that they can't talk about things amongst one another means nothing as well. I'm not saying that they can't figure out how to use iPod and their apps at the same time, but their ability to optimize and make cleaner, more efficient apps could be very compromised.
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dustytruly
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Darko said:
jailbreak your iphone
I'm not really sure what the NDA amounts to in practice, as far as limiting dev discussion. There's plenty of discussion on Apple's own developer forums which aren't in any way locked behind secure access login or the like. And there's plenty of sites offering various iPhone SDK tutorials.Kung Fu Jedi said:
dskillzhtown
keep your strippers out of my American football
Darko said:
That is badass, but wouldn't that kill your battery even more?
Kung Fu Jedi
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kaching said:
Hmm... so why have various blogs been reporting that the developers are a bit annoyed with Apple that the NDA hasn't been lifted yet. For example:
http://www.tuaw.com/2008/06/09/iphone-sdk-nda-still-in-effect/
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080728-iphone-nda-doing-more-harm-than-good.html
amongst others.
I'm sure everyone would be happier if they didn't have to deal with an NDA at all. I'm just saying that there appears to be plenty who are ignoring it and even Apple doesn't seem to be doing much if anything to police it.Kung Fu Jedi said:
I'd be willing to bet that it's the blogs who are more bothered by it than the devs, just because it's easier to go after the blogs if they break the NDA than it is to go after an anonymous dev posting on a forum.
The thing that seems to have devs more legitimately annoyed right now is the approval process for getting their apps on the App Store.
Thanks, I just wish I could have seen that for myself at a friggin' IN-STORE AT&T kiosk. You'd think a store in the heart of Philadelphia would at least be in a good 3G spot, but that doesn't appear to be the case here.Chorazin said:
Just like on desktop platforms, developers have no obligations to localise their applications. Why force them to when they might not even have the resources to do so. It's best to keep it that way. If one app is available in more languages than a competing app, then they may just be rewarded with more users. No point making it a requirement.Terrell said:
Targeting a specific market/area is fair game to me too. Not every country has the same services available. What annoys me though, is that these apps are available in countries where they're not supported. This makes sense if people might find the app useful if they're going to a particular country where it can be used, but the least the developers could do is explicitly state what countries/areas the app works in, rather than assume everyone lives in the US.
Iron_Scimitar said:
no. that applies to nickel based battery tech.
The only reason to let li-ion batteries drain down is to recalibrate the battery life indicator.
Two things kill li-ion batteries like those in laptops and the iPhone, heat/temperature, and deep drain cycles.
I thought this was common knowledge at this point, clearly noted on my laptop manual. Li-ion batteries are designed to last longest with shallow cycles, as in if you could get 100 deep discharge cycles you could get thousands if the battery was never below 50%.
So to recap...charge every night, short drain cycles are good, and keep it out of a hot car (esp a fully charged one).
Battery University is a good place to start. Here is a link so you will know I am not full of shit...but this is well documented all over the place.
All kinds of good tips and info:
http://www.batteryuniversity.com/parttwo-34.htm
The natural degradation of li-ion regardless of use is also why having non user replaceable batteries completely sucks.
Ptaaty said:
so why does apple's own site say to drain the battery once a month?
http://www.apple.com/batteries/iphone.html
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If you have a 3G phone and go out side of the coverage area, does the phone resort to 2G or edge?
itunes is a piece of shit. How do i backup my phone? I don't want to sync, i don't want all my music and shit to go on my phone, i want the opposite, i want to take whatever is on my phone (sms, music, call history, etc) and back them up on my pc. How do i do that?
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WHAT THE FUCK? I tried syncing from within itunes and i lost all my music! This is the ONLY pc i've ever synced my phone from before. wtf is this shit. Isn't there a better way to do this?
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WHAT THE FUCK? I tried syncing from within itunes and i lost all my music! This is the ONLY pc i've ever synced my phone from before. wtf is this shit. Isn't there a better way to do this?
Gamer @ Heart
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Good to hear. Which one?suaveric said:
Also, is there an Apple or AT&T upgrade plan or do i have to go through the hassle of buying it and activating it seperatly. Can i back up all my data and throw it on a new phone through itunes?
Gamer @ Heart
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suaveric said:
Ah ok. I have always heard them mentioned independently, so i was confused.
Knowing this, i really want to upgrade, especially now that my battery drains incredibly fast meaning i would have to replace in amonth or two for 70 bucks anyway.
Could someone link me to a 3G coverage map?
Gamer @ Heart said:
Go here:
http://www.wireless.att.com/coverageviewer?wtSlotClick=1-0015ZN-0-1&WT.svl=calltoaction
Then click "View 3G/Mobile Broadband coverage (in select areas)" on the bottom right.
Gamer @ Heart
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AirBrian said:
Thanks.
It looks like they have Colorado Springs and San Juan, PR covered. : )
Worm_Buffet
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Terrell said:
You can't infer anything from one game looking bad while not allowing the iPod to run at the same time. Perhaps the developers of Spinblox do not need to disable the iPod functionality, maybe they do. Just because you can't justify that need by virtue of its visuals doesn't mean either way.
As I think I said, it's only speculation on my part. Maybe you need to disable the iPod just to allow your app to use audio? Are there any apps out there that run concurrently with the iPod and also play sound?
At any rate, it's not just "lazy devs". You realize that with the iPod being a native functionality of the OS, it would actually be more work to go out of your way to disable the iPod if it wasn't necessary?
koam said:
You can't. Your iPhone is associated with a single iTunes library. Plug it into another machine and it will not back up music etc.
You can sync contacts/calendars/etc. across multiple machines by checking the desired content.
I use Mac iTunes at home, Windows iTunes at work, and never have any content syncing issues. You have to quit thinking of iTunes as complicated, and then it all starts making sense.
I used Spinblox as an example, but there's a number of completely simple apps that are missing this feature, too, ones that don't even HAVE sound.Worm_Buffet said:
Once again, I use the not-so-high standard of Trism to back my claims. Trism runs its sound effects over-top of your playing audio tracks. It does everything an App Store app SHOULD do.
And yeah, I'm also aware that iPod functions are native to the OS, but that still requires code for proper function and integration while another app is running.
I'll state it again, a lot of these problems we're discussing are the developers' fault. Calling them "lazy" may have been a blanket statement, when it's obvious some of these developers were just in too much of a rush to push their app to the store that they thought "oh well, I'll just update it later" (which leaves no wonder to me that the update approval process is so bunged up) And if that's the case, no amount of information sharing is going to stop this problem. I love the App Store as much as the next guy, but I refuse to support developers and their "gotta get it posted, who cares that it's unpolished and missing features" ideals. I don't support it on any other platform, why should I support it on this one? It's not like OSX Mobile is somehow a more difficult platform than a PC or console.
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