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Worm_Buffet
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kitchenmotors said:
My case is even more lightweight, less obtrusive, less hassle, looks better, never gets in the way and still maintains my iPhone in a pristine state.
The case was NOTHING.
RevenantKioku said:
You need to separate between Apple and your provider Softbank. Apple haven't touched this joke of a push implementation.
RevenantKioku
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They as in both Apple and SoftBank. As far as I am concerned the problem lies with both of them.Worm_Buffet said:
Oh, and why I'm not using a different push account? Because apparently Yahoo mail can't properly handle Japanese!
Kung Fu Jedi
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RevenantKioku said:
You can think that, but you'd be wrong. It's completely up to the provider to work this out. Apple has Push implemented, Softbank needs to figure out how to update their (most likely) archaic servers to handle it.
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Hey, Apple is allowing this shit.Kung Fu Jedi said:
There has to be more to this than pure retardation. I mean, unless I am mistaken all other email addresses for SoftBank have to be able to do push because they work like any other phone in this country.
If there is some reason, then it basically comes down to Apple being dicks for releasing a product in a country where it cannot function properly.
If I am mad at anyone directly it is the dickheads in Japan using an iPhone and not telling me about this retardation.
RevenantKioku
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Dude, I have a phone that is like two steps below awesome. I can feel her juice dripping down on my face, but I cannot get my tongue into the holiest of holes.Tanned Greyface said:
Kung Fu Jedi
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RevenantKioku said:
Ok. Well as I said in a previous post, we've beat this dead horse, so lets move on. You're going to blame Apple, while the rest of us don't see the issue or feel that it's more of a provider issue. Fine, we get it. The Japanese market is different. I suggested yesterday taht you return the phone and get one that works more to your liking, but you said that wasn't possible. Do the Japanese carriers not give you a few days or a week grace period to return a phone? Everyone here in the States do. Or is that a difference in the markets as well?
Moving on, has anyone picked up X-Plane 9 for the iPhone? I'm so tempted to buy it, but I'm afraid of what it'll do to my battery life. :lol
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Speaking of Billy Joel, is there a way to disable the copying text it automatically does when replying to an email?
kitchenmotors
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lionelhutz said:
No, the front of the case is completely open. I use the Anti-Glare screen protector with the case. Can't even tell it's on there.
lionelhutz
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kitchenmotors said:
How does the screen protector attach? Is it static?
Robobandit
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Kung Fu Jedi said:
It is good... but as you suspected, it is a killer of battery life.
Kung Fu Jedi
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Robobandit said:
Thanks for the impressions! May avoid it then. Gaming on the iPhone is cool, but damn does it eat up the battery life.
I use bodyguardz, it's basically the same clear film for the screen everyone else uses but they also make one for the back.
It's the same material they use to coat helicopter blades or something
http://www.bodyguardz.com/
It's the same material they use to coat helicopter blades or something
http://www.bodyguardz.com/
Marty Chinn
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dagZ said:
$69.99 + taxes gets you in. That's the absolute cheapest. It's $39.99 for the voice and $30 for data.
Kung Fu Jedi
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Tobor said:
I'll be interested in hearing your thoughts.
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
I have a quick question about instant messaging via the iPhone...if I used something like Meebo, would I still get charged for every time I send and receive a message?
The Take Out Bandit
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Since 2.1 battery life is worse for me. Also Crashfari is even more useless.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Why would you think you'd get charged?AlphaSnake said:
Safari crashes on me a ton, even when viewing these forums.The Take Out Bandit said:
So the anti-glare screen cover is static? You don't put it on the iPhone like you would a screen protector for a DS or PSP? No sticky substance so you can re-position it if you put it on wrong?
While yes, you can reposition it...... you'll want to get it right the first time.Mutagenic said:
Sucks when little particles get stuck underneath.
You can even wash and reuse them if they get too dirty according to the site.
But I've never had a good result with that.
You at least get 2 per package.
The Apple Store only sells 2 types of film covers and the packaging is almost the same.
Make sure it's the anti-glare one.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
I'd like to echo this sentiment. What's with people thinking they'll get charged for text messages for using instant messengers? It's all just data, people. Those apps are using the data network, you're paying for x amount of data, so it'll use whatever data it needs, and that's all. It's not a tough concept to grasp.
biggkidd32
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quick question.
I don't want to fish through this huge thread, but why doesn't gmail push like yahoo?
I don't want to fish through this huge thread, but why doesn't gmail push like yahoo?
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Because they don't? There's really no conspiracy or laziness behind it. Yahoo just agreed to do push e-mail for iPhones, likely for the boost and publicity it'd give them.biggkidd32 said:
biggkidd32
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i hope gmail does add push. i have both gmail and yahoo, but gmail is my primary.
Kung Fu Jedi
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biggkidd32 said:
Forward G-mail to your Yahoo. Problem solved.
China doesn't even have 3G! They're fucking behind, that's why!Terrell said:
I can't believe you're blaming Japan and Korea for pushing their mobile standards beyond what the rest of the world offers. It's wrong to be the leading the world in technology now?
As much as I love my iPhone, you simply can't release a product in a market without meeting the market's requirements and expect things to go well. If everyone else is conforming to the standards of that market and you're not, then that's your problem, not that particular market's.
Nokia tweaks their phones for different markets. In iPhone's case, they don't even need to have Japan-centric hardware, they could just support the market better in firmware instead of using a hack to get things to work. That way, it'd still be compatible internationally.
To the end-user, e-mail texting works in Japan appears to work exactly the same as SMS does, except without the limitations of SMS, so it's proven that it works. There's no problem with it as you make it out to have, the problem is iPhone's implementation of it.
And you speak as if Korea and Japan are the only countries with non-international compatible networks. US has CDMA, if you had a CDMA-only phone and you went to, say Australia where all the networks are GSM/3G, you'd have exactly the same problem as a non-SoftBank phone in other countries.
Their networks aren't working elsewhere in the world because nobody is setting up the same sort of mobile networks elsewhere, but all most of them choosing to go with 3G instead. Japan installed much of their infrastructure before much of global shift to 3G, you expect them to scrap their existing networks just to conform?Terrell said:
Not to mention, the main issue at hand, e-mail texts and emoticons can be implemented on any network with Internet access, including 3G. Apple doesn't need Japan specific firmware like you say. They roll all their region-specific stuff for all their products, OS X, iPods, iPhones into the one product already. The iPhone already has region-specific settings, language options, and keyboard options. A proper implementation of e-mail texting would just add to that. Who said anything about region-specific firmware?
I think it's safe to say that those here standing up for Japan's existing services aren't expecting Apple to implement things that would require additional hardware, like 1Seg or osaifu-keitai. We're just saying the other stuff that could be done in software isn't being done, and they stand to be the loser for not doing it.
There's no reason e-mail cannot effectively replace SMS completely in other countries as it has in Japan, you just need to get the public to rethink the way e-mail CAN work on mobiles, and get them to see the advantages of it. Carriers would need assign customers an e-mail address with their number like in Japan and adopt the same standards for it so it works the same for all carriers.Terrell said:
The problem is that no one is willing to do this. Carriers see e-mail as completely seperate to texting, as a third party service when there's no reason they couldn't adopt it themselves. No need for seperate SMS and MMS services for the user, it's streamlined into one and the same. Not to mention the convenience of being able to send messages to any of your contact's phones from your PC with standard e-mail.
I'm very impressive by the resilience of the plastic back to scratches. I don't use any sort of case coz it defeats the purpose of having a nice looking phone, but I do slip it into an old Sony MD pouch when I put it in my pocket and such.Worm_Buffet said:
There are a couple teeny scratches, but it holds up far better than I would've though.
No, I'm against being a leader in an un-open proprietary technology implementation. It's why I dislike Microsoft, because it refuses to do things a standard way and won't impart its implementation to others (see: the reason iPhone can't access MSN Live/Hotmail). It's a matter of ONE group thinking they know what's best, when the optimal solution is non-proprietary implementations where possible. And yeah, I just compared Japan's mobile market to MICROSOFT.hirokazu said:
CDMA is also an OPTION in addition to a GSM phone with more operability worldwide. Japan gives its customers NO such option. And CDMA is offered in Europe, other parts of the Americas, Africa, the Middle East, other Asian nations (including most metropolitan areas of Japan!)... I could keep going, and it shows an extremely strong contrast to Japan's proprietary cell phones and networks, which work and are available in... Japan and Korea. Bit of a shorter list, huh?hirokazu said:
No, I expect Japan to push its technology as the standard, since it's supposedly ever so superior, but that was NEVER done. With most of the technology in Japanese mobile phones, there was little to NO attempt to make them a standard implementation of technology. Standardization works in a similar method to open source, where multiple people contribute to achieve a superior solution for all parties. Japan never even bothered with that, they took their tech and ran with it. For all we know, the rest of the world would have jumped on their systems and implementations as opposed to the 3G GSM and CDMA evolutions we now see everywhere else. But it was never proposed that anyone else be allowed any input, no consortium was constructed, NOTHING. FOMA, FeliCa chips (though Sony and its Japanese nationalist tendencies are probably more to blame for that), 1seg, push mail as a replacement for SMS... there was no intention or effort to globalize these things, preferring to create an unglobalized technology-hoarding mobile market. You can't expect other markets to adapt a technology that they can't have any input on, hence why GSM and CDMA won out worldwide, because it was a worldwide standardization initiative. No such initiative was ever presented by the creators of Japan's mobile technology.hirokazu said:
I certainly can't blame them for wanting to advance, but when it comes at the cost of interoperability, yeah, we have every right to call out Japan's mobile market for being stupid about it. They made this situation themselves, it's not up to Apple to fix it or bow to their needs. They got billions of other potential customers that all operate pretty much the same to please first.
You realize the difference betweenhirokazu said:
and ^_^, right? The technologies you say Apple already implements can be implemented without issue because there is no difference in actual use. People use a Pinyin keyboard the same way, because they're designed to work one specific way. Smileys are not emoji, and how do you make the distinction when it's all culture-based and not language-based? Do you suggest having a setting where you have to specify what type of emoticon input the phone recognizes based on your region of the world? Either way, you would have to specifically enable it and determine what each emoticon set based on what each region actually offers for emoticons as opposed to others.Yeah, there's a lot of things they could do to their software, and I would support... but I just simply don't see it happening. You blame Apple, but if you cater specifically to one market, you have to bend over backwards for ALL of them, and then you run a lot of risks of being walked all over and having unreasonable demands presented from all sides.hirokazu said:
Yeah, read the first section of my reply... it would have worked, but it's not like anyone tried to push for this kind of service, either, so...hirokazu said:
But I suppose all of this is moot, anyways, with Japanese carriers moving to LTE for its 4G technology and therefore actually meeting up with the worldwide standard in at least one degree. Well, maybe au and Softbank, at least. NTT-DoCoMo would likely rather create some 4G abomination that evolves from its FOMA brainchild, I'm sure.
I suppose I just find it inexcusable when people expect a world device to cater to them when it didn't have to be a problem if they used standardized technology in the first place, or even bothered to standardize their technology achievements.
OK, I'm quite done ranting on the situation. There's just too much Japanese nationalism about how "great" a keitai is... and it is, in a way. Unless you leave the country, then it's a nearly-useless BRICK. I just present the opinion that the situation Japan presented is its own by creating an insular market that a worldwide device like iPhone has trouble fitting into. Blaming Apple for the situation and demanding they make it work is like being incredibly tired but only being given the option to sleep on a bed of rusty nails. When you aren't given a lot of options to work with, finding a solution isn't easy without causing further potential problems.
By the way, that Incase looks slick.
Better late than never for Japanese technology?
http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2008/08/19/1761426-japan-to-start-overseas-cell-phone-technology-push
There will be no excuses from here on out on the part of the antiquated bloc of cell phone nations in adapting Japan's technology.
http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2008/08/19/1761426-japan-to-start-overseas-cell-phone-technology-push
There will be no excuses from here on out on the part of the antiquated bloc of cell phone nations in adapting Japan's technology.
TheExodu5 said:So I decided to get a data plan.
The thing that pushed me is that the promotion Rogers has in place allows for a 6GB data plan for $30/mo. The normal price is $100!!! F THAT!
So now I'm paying $55/mo for my cell + 6GB plan. Good deal!
So is that a $25 voice plan + $30 6GB? Or is it a cheaper voice plan + a value pack + 6GB? I'm curious.
I think stuff on here hasn't changed.omg rite said:
http://www.macrumors.com/2008/07/01/atandt-iphone-3g-pricing-details/
Good, awesome, bring it on, this is what they should have been doing at least 4 or 5 years ago already, at least. If they actually push this stuff to other markets, I think that's amazing for everyone. Between this and some carriers' commitment to the LTE standard, the majority of the gripes I brought to this thread will be put to rest. And the harder Japan pushes this tech, the more likely it will end up in the next revision of iPhone.cvxfreak said:
BUT... you say "better late than never", where I simply hope it's not "too little too late."
The Anti-Glare Screen Protector is awesome. People who see mine are more impressed by it than the phone. First reaction is usually "hey, I didn't know the screen was matte"
http://your.rogers.com/business/products/wireless/services/textmessaging/index.asp
You can already send SMSes through email to people's phones from your PC. At least in Canada, not sure if the providers in the States do it too: number@pcs.rogers.comhirokazu said:
http://your.rogers.com/business/products/wireless/services/textmessaging/index.asp
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