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I so hate myself for buying one of these last night.

But I DO enjoy how easy it synchs up with my Mac Book.

I've avoided Apple products for 10 years and in the space of one month, I've become just another Mac douchebag.
 
2 Minutes Turkish said:
I so hate myself for buying one of these last night.

But I DO enjoy how easy it synchs up with my Mac Book.

I've avoided Apple products for 10 years and in the space of one month, I've become just another Mac douchebag.
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douchebag
 
2 Minutes Turkish said:
I so hate myself for buying one of these last night.

But I DO enjoy how easy it synchs up with my Mac Book.

I've avoided Apple products for 10 years and in the space of one month, I've become just another Mac douchebag.
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Nah, look on the bright side. You were probably just a douchebag anyway.


:D
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
For your podcast thing, are you referring to how when you delete an episode, it never shows up again, even if you get a full list from iTunes? In your Podcast menu, hold Shift (or Alt, one of the two) when you click on the little triangle icons that expand/collapse the full episode listing. Holding Shift will force iTunes to retrieve a full, brand-new listing rather than remembering that you deleted some episodes.
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That's so helpful; thank you so much. I'll still need to figure out which ones I've already listened too but I'll just rely on my memory for that (It's alt not shift by the way)

border said:
BitTorrent seems like it'd be kind of obnoxious for anything other than mainstream music (dead torrents for anything old and unpopular). Plus you have to use your web browsesr + another app. I'd rather have an all-on-one package.
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that's why all thse private trackers popped up only to get busted by the RIAA and their government puppets last year. Between soulseek and atease you should be covered for spur of the moment downloading of the newest stuff. Bittorrent is always for bigger planned grabs like Frank Zappa's oeuvre or the Pitchfork 500...
 
iTunes being a memory hog is the least of its problems. It's a piece of shit Windows application, through and through.

Nothing about it uses any standard UI elements. That means that every screen, every scroll bar, every menu item, and more - every single part of the shitty UI requires custom draw after custom draw, meaning that every single screen takes forever to load.

Furthermore, because it adopts ridiculous MacOS standards instead of Windows standards, clicks do not give any type of feedback whatsoever. When you click something, you have no idea if that click was actually registered until the screen changes - if my iPhone is plugged in and I click on it in the interface, it can be more than 10 seconds that the entire UI is frozen for without any recognition that you clicked it at all, until it finally switches.

This is particularly bad when iTunes doesn't have focus - the signs that it's lost focus are so minor and unnoticeable, yet if the application doesn't have focus, clicks don't register. Meaning that, if I click my iPhone and wait the usual 10+ seconds and nothing happens, I don't realize it until I've wasted my time that the first click only gave the app focus, and I need to click it *again* to switch.

All these complaints among others, such as slow scrolling, window resizing only from the lower-right corner, and more - are why iTunes is an absolutely shitty Windows application in every way. Hell, I didn't even touch on the more subjective arguments about how it manages music and syncing across devices.


It's like Apple coded iTunes to run on some third-rate OS X virtualization engine just so that they don't need to spend the time writing a decent, proper Windows application.
 
wow, sounds like itunes on windows has really taken a dump since I last used it.
 
2 Minutes Turkish said:
I so hate myself for buying one of these last night.

But I DO enjoy how easy it synchs up with my Mac Book.

I've avoided Apple products for 10 years and in the space of one month, I've become just another Mac douchebag.
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wow...

so you bought a computer and a music player from a company that makes products you are interested in.

yep, complete douchebag behavior, right there.


just enjoy the stuff you got. Owning an Apple product doesn't make you either a hipster or a douche or better or worse than anyone.



Jtwo said:
wow, sounds like itunes on windows has really taken a dump since I last used it.
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I last used it on Windows back when it was version 4. It ran acceptably (but not great) back then. The iTunes bloat came to both the Mac and Windows versions in v.7, as I remember. I guess the Windows version got hit harder.
 
Hmm, I used to use it all the time before I got a mac and I remember really liking it.
It would never freeze or act unresponsive.
 
dLMN8R said:
Anything I've described is the way iTunes has always been since its original Windows release.
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You're correct that it's never followed Windows UI guidelines. But it hasn't always been as crazy slow and unresponsive as you describe it to be now. I used the Windows version to import most of my CDs and put in proper tags for hundreds of old mp3s and it never froze up on me or crashed.

It acted weird compared to my other Windows programs, of course, but it wasn't slow and unreliable. But perhaps this has, sadly, changed.
 
2 Minutes Turkish said:
I so hate myself for buying one of these last night.

But I DO enjoy how easy it synchs up with my Mac Book.

I've avoided Apple products for 10 years and in the space of one month, I've become just another Mac douchebag.
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If it's any consolation, we all thought you were a douchebag waaayyyy before last month.
 
So if I wanted to cancel my iphone 3g plan and go ahead with the coming soon unlocked feature to switch carriers. Would it be $175 for the entire cancellation or would I also pay to have my number moved?
 
dLMN8R said:
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Good God you fuckin nailed it. I have the exact same gripe about iTunes and its unresponsiveness. It may not irritate casual users but it bugs the fuck out of me...little things like when I have the itunes window open on one monitor and I'm surfing the web on another monitor...and say I wanna unmount my iphone by clicking the eject icon but you end up clicking twice because the program's not "in focus" (one click to "switch" to itunes and another to press the eject icon)...it really does feel like they didn't bother building the program from ground up...it being a memory hog doesn't bother me that much since I have 4 gigs ram on this mid-range PC which I use for heavy design work at home (using a mac at work...being a tech freak at heart, i embrace both macs and pcs equally)
 
adelante said:
Good God you fuckin nailed it. I have the exact same gripe about iTunes and its unresponsiveness. It may not irritate casual users but it bugs the fuck out of me...little things like when I have the itunes window open on one monitor and I'm surfing the web on another monitor...and say I wanna unmount my iphone by clicking the eject icon but you end up clicking twice because the program's not "in focus" (one click to "switch" to itunes and another to press the eject icon)...it really does feel like they didn't bother building the program from ground up...it being a memory hog doesn't bother me that much since I have 4 gigs ram on this mid-range PC which I use for heavy design work at home (using a mac at work...being a tech freak at heart, i embrace both macs and pcs equally)
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I should have also noted that all my rants are experiences I have using iTunes on a Q9550 2.83ghz quad core with 4gb of ram. System power is not the issue here :D
 
My problem with iTunes is that it has the best UI (when you enable the browser) of any Windows media manager, hands down, so I want to defend it even though it has no business consuming the massive amount of RAM that it does, and no business being as laggy and clunky as it is. Plus every minor update is like 200mb and I have to restart my computer to install it, which is some bullshit.

But really, I mean, you've got to defend it somewhat. Just look at how unbelievably shitty and horrible Windows Media Player still is; it dicks around with your ID3 tags by default, its entire interface is predicated on the idea that all your music is DRM-infected or if it isn't that you still want to buy it for whatever reason, and in general it feels like it's created by music studio executives, not software designers.

Like, iTunes is shitty, but it's made by people who understand music organization. Windows Media Player is created by a focus group of people who hate the very idea of mp3s and hate you.

Winamp is way better mechanically than iTunes, but its interface is such a fuckin' eyesore.
 
Aristotlekh said:
Like, iTunes is shitty, but it's made by people who understand music organization. Windows Media Player is created by a focus group of people who hate the very idea of mp3s and hate you.
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What? Windows Media Player is fantastic for MP3s. You can just import files and easily search for tag data online and get album art, it's much easier to manage your music in it than iTunes for that alone.
 
Kung Fu Jedi said:
Anyone pick up SimCity for the iPhone yet? I'm soooo tempted, but was waiting on some reviews/impressions. Looks great!
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I was literally about to hit buy on my Iphone and found out there is no rotate camera option for the game. That will make building roads and power lines a NIGHTMARE!

Not sure i want to purchase this now.
 
TheGreatDave said:
What? Windows Media Player is fantastic for MP3s. You can just import files and easily search for tag data online and get album art, it's much easier to manage your music in it than iTunes for that alone.
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uh yeah, I'm not sure where that WMP hate comes from. The library management, views, and features are easily comparable to iTunes, and in many ways superior. Particularly album browsing with the art stacks on the side, the speed of the interface, and pretty much everything else about it.

If I didn't have an iPhone, I'd use WMP or Winamp in a heartbeat.
 
WMP11 is fantastic. I think the hate is still coming from version 10 and below where it was bloated and terrible. 11 started with new code from scratch and it's much faster and pleasant to use.

Aristotlekh's point about WMP/Zune software fucking with your ID3 tags is valid, though. iTunes never touches the tags without your permission. Downloaded album art doesn't even touch the file. It's put in a separate folder and iTunes puts a link to it in your library XML file.
 
Maybe I'm OCD, but automatic ID3 tag fetching scares the hell out of me. I do it manually in the interest of accuracy. Anyway, I think iTunes' organization is just a lot more aesthetically pleasing and more easily navigable, but that's a subjective thing. WMP really turns me off, especially with the way artist browsing is done in that cumbersome large font/letter division format, with stupid shit placed way too prominently in the interface by default, like playlists, album length, and ratings, which I find pretty inconsequential.

Also, going to an artist's collection actually navigates away from the artist view page, which is a giant pain in the ass if I'm, for example, looking at a Dave Alvin album and want to be able to look at an album credited as Dave Alvin & The Guilty Men, i.e. his touring band. I have to navigate back to the artist page and scroll down a notch. Annoying.
 
I agree, iTunes on Windows is a slow piece of shit, that really shouldn't be using OS X UI elements at all, but built as a Windows application and adopt whatever Windows design concessions there are, good or bad. I understand WHY Apple built it like they did, but it's obviously not performing as great as it could.

That said, iTunes doesn't just play mp3's. It burns discs, plays videos, podcasts, audiobooks, has an intelligent suggestion system, internet radio, tv shows, cell phone manager/syncher/application manager/backup manager, shared media player, complete media store, parental restriction system, media server and so on and so on.

True, a lot of people won't use half those features, but to complain that a 'mp3 manager' should run better, well, it's a bit more complex than that. iTunes is a huge, complex piece of software. Yes, it should run way better on Windows (I find it's OS X performance to be pretty great).

If you aren't happy with the way it works, and you keep buying iPods, then it's your own stupid fault and deserve no pity. It might be slow, and it might have niggles that you don't like, but it's not broken, and if you keep buying regardless, then shame on you.

There is other software out there that can manage your iPod and music for you, go and use those if iTunes is so bad. I've tried a few out, but find them to be lacking in design and features.

Sure, Apple try and encrypt the database on your iPod to prevent this happening, but you can understand why. iTunes Music Store.
 
Zune's software does everything iTunes does and I find it much better in pretty much every respect. I love iTunes for it's ability to get high-res artwork for my songs, and it's better at manually entering song details. That's about it. Still, I don't use my iPhone as a music player too often, so I've just loaded it up with a few bands and that's enough. I still carry a Zune around with me.
 
cvxfreak said:
I have no idea why such remarks would be made, but :lol
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2 Minutes Turkish said:
Thanks man, it's comforting to know.
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Can't speak for speak for anybody else but I'm still pissed at 2 mins turkish for popping up in that thread where the guy suspected his wife was cheating, the one about all those text msgs, claiming he knew the couple and then disappearing along with the Op without leaving any answers. Talk about being a tease (as does his name which make me think of Turkish Delights every time :lol )
 
dLMN8R said:
It's like Apple coded iTunes to run on some third-rate OS X virtualization engine just so that they don't need to spend the time writing a decent, proper Windows application.
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It never occurred to you that Apple isn't getting quality developer support from Microsoft because they're, y'know, a direct competitor to them?
 
Terrell said:
It never occurred to you that Apple isn't getting quality developer support from Microsoft because they're, y'know, a direct competitor to them?
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Maybe if Office 2008 was a shitty, poorly coded, non-native OS X application, you'd have a point. Alas, Microsoft is fully capable and has demonstrated many times that they can write both quality Windows applications *and* OS X applications. Apple is fully capable of doing the same, yet they do not.
 
So...on the App store on my iPod Touch...some of the apps don't have a price or option to download. For example, I'd like to download the "2009 Presidential Inauguration Guide", but I can't. Is it because it's only availible for the iPhone?
 
Hootie said:
So...on the App store on my iPod Touch...some of the apps don't have a price or option to download. For example, I'd like to download the "2009 Presidential Inauguration Guide", but I can't. Is it because it's only availible for the iPhone?
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That must be it. It was available to install on my iPhone.
 
ugh my iTunes library is so messy with double and often times triple copies of songs mainly due to me doing some file rearrangement, im just going to throw all of my mp3s into 1 folder and delete my library and add that folder, my playlist should take care of re-sorting everything

and my friend basically just offered me his 4GB iPhone for $80, it has a decent amount of normal wear, no screen cracks or anything, trying to decide if its worth it to buy it and unlock/jailbreak and resale
 
Hootie said:
So...on the App store on my iPod Touch...some of the apps don't have a price or option to download. For example, I'd like to download the "2009 Presidential Inauguration Guide", but I can't. Is it because it's only availible for the iPhone?
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Restart your touch? I just downloaded it and installed it on my ipod touch... Is your touch up to date?
 
dLMN8R said:
Maybe if Office 2008 was a shitty, poorly coded, non-native OS X application, you'd have a point. Alas, Microsoft is fully capable and has demonstrated many times that they can write both quality Windows applications *and* OS X applications. Apple is fully capable of doing the same, yet they do not.
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*LOL* Did you just suggest that the Office apps aren't shit? Take it from someone who worked at an AASP... not worth the $100+ you spend on it. I've seen so many people come to us with Office issues. PowerPoint not staying open for longer than 10 minutes, regardless of document being altered. Word improperly retaining formatting when document is saved and closed. Entourage database files corrupting themselves every 2 months, even if the user stays below the database file size cap Microsoft put on it. And don't get me started on how pants-on-head retarded Messenger is, why do you think every sane Mac user would rather use Adium?! It's also the only installer outside of early Adobe beta builds and LimeWire that I have ever seen corrupt an OS to the point of requiring a re-install.

So please, I know you're trying to make a point, but let's not get DELUSIONAL.
 
Terrell said:
*LOL* Did you just suggest that the Office apps aren't shit? Take it from someone who worked at an AASP... not worth the $100+ you spend on it. I've seen so many people come to us with Office issues. PowerPoint not staying open for longer than 10 minutes, regardless of document being altered. Word improperly retaining formatting when document is saved and closed. Entourage database files corrupting themselves every 2 months, even if the user stays below the database file size cap Microsoft put on it. And don't get me started on how pants-on-head retarded Messenger is, why do you think every sane Mac user would rather use Adium?! It's also the only installer outside of early Adobe beta builds and LimeWire that I have ever seen corrupt an OS to the point of requiring a re-install.

So please, I know you're trying to make a point, but let's not get DELUSIONAL.
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Oh please. As if his statement was any more delusional than yours. "It's Microsoft's fault that iTunes for Windows is bad!"
 
I bought coverscout recently as itunes was missing a ton of coverart. After crashing a few times, it seems to have gotten coverart for most of my stuff. Trouble is, not all of the art that coverscout has found actually shows up in itunes.

is there any reason for that? AFAIK coverscout embeds the album art in the ID3 tags so its more portable, and itunes should pay attention to that - most albums show up fine. I'm just confused why some don't.
 
mrklaw said:
I bought coverscout recently as itunes was missing a ton of coverart. After crashing a few times, it seems to have gotten coverart for most of my stuff. Trouble is, not all of the art that coverscout has found actually shows up in itunes.

is there any reason for that? AFAIK coverscout embeds the album art in the ID3 tags so its more portable, and itunes should pay attention to that - most albums show up fine. I'm just confused why some don't.
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You bought this thing for $40 just to find album art?

GimmeSomeTune is free and works great. Fetches lyrics too.
 
I'm leaving for a week starting tomorrow and going to be in the car for like 40 hours. Has there been an updated GAF app/web app that allows posting?
 
eznark said:
I'm leaving for a week starting tomorrow and going to be in the car for like 40 hours. Has there been an updated GAF app/web app that allows posting?
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The current one allows you to post just fine, it simply opens up Safari and takes you directly into GAF. It'll even quote if you want it to.
 
eznark said:
the secondapp one? I didn't think it allowed posting? Or do you mean just going to GAF on safari?
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The GAF Web App doesn't allow you to post directly, but if you do click on the quotes on the post it'll take you into Safari and allow you to type your responses. It's always done this.
 
On day one evening of my iPhone ownership. Gotta say all round very happy with the purchase. However is it just me or is the wifi net access speeds a tax slow? Right now, this is my biggest annouance with it. love the phone however. A lot :D
 
DarkJC said:
Oh please. As if his statement was any more delusional than yours. "It's Microsoft's fault that iTunes for Windows is bad!"
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Yes, how delusional that the developer of the OS and main support resource for developers has culpability for the state of a piece of commercial software for its platform. But if iTunes is guilty of shitty implementation, than Office for Mac, with all its data-loss goodness, must equal a plague to mankind.
 
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