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[Socreges]

Not much I can do with a flat contradiction. Dead end :lol

....what contradiction? Me or you?

To get back to the heart of this since we have both revised ourselves a bit

You're right. We both came out too aggressive. I still disagree with some things in your post, but we've found such a middle ground that it doesn't seem worth pursuing anymore.

why is it that you think they are more deserving being looked down upon?

In general, I'd sooner think less of goths since they adhere to practically exactly what they dislike (re: society), while feeling they have superior principles. If you think that shouldn't be a generalisation, then we'll just disagree and you can consider that I just apply that to any goth that DOES apply. What I've found is that the goths have grown up. Many have matured intellectually and abandoned it altogether, while others have matured intellectually and kept much of it since it remains a part of their character (I think the latter is who you're referring to). So I guess my considerations are to when the goth phenomenon was still fairly strong. Now you've got a much lighter goth contingent that is wiser and more accepting, with younger goths that absorb the superficialities of it and the rebellion within it (who you think shouldn't be representative of 'true' goths).

I'm trying to be fairer to you from my perspective, but I still think you're being too defensive since you seem to have something invested in this (can't help but consider your statement that goths don't demand as much conformity as "mainstream society").

 

[demi]

I am not goth, but I do know someone:

 

[Mr. Bigglesworth]

Lets cut through all the bullshit.

95% of Goths are smelly, greasy, dumb losers that are desperately trying to convince everyone that they're the ones rejecting society -- when in reality it's society that has long ago rejected them. No one falls for the act and they look very silly, which is why we mock them.

Now I'm sure there are some perfectly nice and cool Goths that make up the other 5%, but I am yet to meet them.

No need to thank me.

 

[karasu]

It's funny how people keep saying goths are fooling themselves and that they're rejection of the mainstream is all an act, yet they're constantly mocked for being different. :lol

 

[border]

....what contradiction? Me or you?

I said "I don't think it's this way" and you essentially said "Yes it is". You just sort of contradicted me so tersely that there wasn't much I could do. Don't worry about it or anything, heh.

I'm trying to be fairer to you from my perspective, but I still think you're being too defensive since you seem to have something invested in this (can't help but consider your statement that goths don't demand as much conformity as "mainstream society").

Again, "conformity" in the connotative sense. I generally find that they are more accepting of group outsiders (mainstream folk or other subcultures) than outsiders are of them, and that whether or not you are welcome in their social circles doesn't have a great deal to do with how you dress.

I dunno, maybe that's the hallmark of any mature person though =)

95% of Goths are smelly, greasy, dumb losers

Can't you at least say "most of goths" if that's your outlook? Why try to feign authority on the subject by producing percentages when pretty much everyone will know you're pulling that data out of your ass?

 

[Piecake]

On a totally unrelated note, i always thought that visigoth was one of coolest names for an ethnic group.

 

[Eminem]

Let's give Gothics a reason to be depressed.

Gothics. When they're not getting their asses kicked, they're busy getting drunk and having sex with dead animals.

They give me diarrhea. What the hell's wrong with them? They always look pale, weak and sickly. Nothing a reality check can't fix. But no, they choose to dress up like french poets and walk around like vampires. Why don't you losers get a life and quit pretending like you're depressed? Maybe then people will stop treating you like the dipshits that you are, and you'll gain some respect. You know, I've done my homework. I've probably checked out over 50 pages by people who consider themselves "gothic." I've read over 20 definitions, and none of them were consistent. They're quick to label themselves as gothics, but they can't even pick a definition and stick with it. Instead, they allow people like myself to stereotype them by aesthetics. The bottom line is, that there probably isn't a universally accepted definition of a gothic because the entire movement or lifestyle (or lack thereof) revolves around just that: aesthetics. Sounds trivial and unimportant to me.

Don't get me wrong here, I have nothing against depressed people. As I come to understand it, most gothics aren't even depressed. They just act that way because they're cowards. Cowards afraid of dying. I almost laughed out loud when I first read this. Afraid of dying? Why is this even an issue? Well tough shit. If they're so afraid of dying, then they shouldn't have been born. Not my loss.

They're so afraid of death and dying, yet they smoke, drink and have unprotected sex. I know not all gothics are like that, but I don't give a shit about being politically correct. So don't mail me saying "On your page you said all [insert name of dipshits here] are [insert stereotype here]." Yes, I know. Nobody cares. My point is that gothics are shitty, and something should be done about them.

I propose that we build a giant cannon, gather up all the gothics, pack them into the cannon, and launch them into a brick wall. SLAM. No more gothics. Maybe then they'd have a reason to be depressed. That is, if any of them lived. They're all so pale and weak that a mere launch into a brick wall might finish them off.

I was going to talk about this girl I went to high school with that was a shit-eating gothic, but I'm too tired. Just take my word for it, she was shitty.




http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=gothics

 

[Vieo]

Most of the goths I've seen fall into this catagory:

1. Scribbles poetry under tree during lunch period.
2. Doesn't have music class, isn't in a band, yet carries guitar case with them every where for attention.

I don't mind number 1, but number 2 needs a kick in the head.

 

[IAmtheFMan]

I always wanted to follow a Goth around during laundry day.

 

[Ill Saint]

Live and let live.

 

[Belfast]

Let's give Gothics a reason to be depressed.

Gothics. When they're not getting their asses kicked, they're busy getting drunk and having sex with dead animals.

They give me diarrhea. What the hell's wrong with them? They always look pale, weak and sickly. Nothing a reality check can't fix. But no, they choose to dress up like french poets and walk around like vampires. Why don't you losers get a life and quit pretending like you're depressed? Maybe then people will stop treating you like the dipshits that you are, and you'll gain some respect. You know, I've done my homework. I've probably checked out over 50 pages by people who consider themselves "gothic." I've read over 20 definitions, and none of them were consistent. They're quick to label themselves as gothics, but they can't even pick a definition and stick with it. Instead, they allow people like myself to stereotype them by aesthetics. The bottom line is, that there probably isn't a universally accepted definition of a gothic because the entire movement or lifestyle (or lack thereof) revolves around just that: aesthetics. Sounds trivial and unimportant to me.

Don't get me wrong here, I have nothing against depressed people. As I come to understand it, most gothics aren't even depressed. They just act that way because they're cowards. Cowards afraid of dying. I almost laughed out loud when I first read this. Afraid of dying? Why is this even an issue? Well tough shit. If they're so afraid of dying, then they shouldn't have been born. Not my loss.

They're so afraid of death and dying, yet they smoke, drink and have unprotected sex. I know not all gothics are like that, but I don't give a shit about being politically correct. So don't mail me saying "On your page you said all [insert name of dipshits here] are [insert stereotype here]." Yes, I know. Nobody cares. My point is that gothics are shitty, and something should be done about them.

I propose that we build a giant cannon, gather up all the gothics, pack them into the cannon, and launch them into a brick wall. SLAM. No more gothics. Maybe then they'd have a reason to be depressed. That is, if any of them lived. They're all so pale and weak that a mere launch into a brick wall might finish them off.

I was going to talk about this girl I went to high school with that was a shit-eating gothic, but I'm too tired. Just take my word for it, she was shitty.




http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=gothics

Ahhh yes, the "angry little man on the internet trying to be funny via sarcastic 'humor' and vague allegory" rant page. If that isn't some bullshit conformist trend on the internet, then I honestly don't know what is. Hell, that's not even an example of GOOD rhetoric. Maddox is such a tool (lol, don't goths like that band?). His attempts to continually outdo his previous rants serves as an underpinning for the desire to boost his own ego, whether one could agree with them or not.

 

[Eminem]

Ahhh yes, the "angry little man on the internet trying to be funny via sarcastic 'humor' and vague allegory" rant page. If that isn't some bullshit conformist trend on the internet, then I honestly don't know what is. Hell, that's not even an example of GOOD rhetoric.

conformist trend? if anyone started that "trend" it was THAT MAN, who has been doing it since 1999.

 

[Belfast]

conformist trend? if anyone started that "trend" it was THAT MAN, who has been doing it since 1999.

Give me a break. People have been assholes on the 'net since it was created.

 

[Eminem]

Give me a break. People have been assholes on the 'net since it was created.

:lol :lol :lol then how is it a "trend" ????

whatever dude. you didn't think it was funny, i did. we can get through this.