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[Soapbox Killer]

I don't think it's overrated. It's in the bottom half of the highest marvel tier.

It's flawed for sure but it has the weight of some 20 movies on it's shoulders. The fact that it's even coherent is a testament to its own existence. This should have been impossible.


There are 5 or 6 movies in the MCU better than Endgame but none that have the responsibility it has. It's a curious juxtaposition.

 

[wondermega]

I caught IW on streaming and was quite surprised to have enjoyed it as much as I did - really had no idea how they were gonna follow up, but I was definitely not going to miss the theater experience the 2nd time around, with Endgame. The hype was huge and everyone was mega-gushing over it - I caught it a week into its run, by then everyone I knew had already seen it - so I caught a midnight show (first time I have ever done that?) at the theater by myself (definitely the first time I have done that!) It was.. ok. I was definitely expecting better, and it had good bits - the final battle was fun to watch. But overall the film was so much less than half as good as the (admittedly high bar) of the first film. In hindsight, I think I watched most of it once again on Hulu. It's alright, still better than everything else that's released since (but that's not really saying too much). I am interested to see what happens with Secret Wars..

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Let's get one thing straight re the actors.
RDJ was not star power when he was hired for Stark, the studio heads wanted nothing to do with him.
Chris Hemsworth was literally unknown when he was hired.
Scarlet Johansen was basically unknown, yeah she was in Lost in Translation way back in 2003. Her only 2 other notable roles were in The Island and The Prestige and most people forget she's in The Prestige.
Chris Evans, not a big name, people knew him from the FF movies but they weren't the best movies.
Don Cheadle also did not have star power, people knew him but weren't sure what movies he was from.

The MCU put these actors on the map.

The casting was god tier tho.

In any case phase4 is a huge disappointment - multiverse of madness notwithstanding.

 

[Soapbox Killer]

The casting was god tier tho.

In any case phase4 is a huge disappointment - multiverse of madness notwithstanding.

I used to think that as well but I'm staring phase 4 over starting with Falcon and Winter Soldier and I must say upon second viewing, this show is solid as hell. Phase 4 should have started here.

 

[Ionian]

I used to think that as well but I'm staring phase 4 over starting with Falcon and Winter Soldier and I must say upon second viewing, this show is solid as hell. Phase 4 should have started here.

I'd be a bit different. I thought LOKI TV show was great yet the trailers for the other shows did nothing for me;

So I waited and read reactions as I had no hype left after Endgame. The story was done and I found the film boring as obviously everyone would be back.

Then again I knew that in Infinity War but it seemed to have more gravity to it.

Forgettable dialogue and CGI madness at the end.

Loki at least had a new slant on it. Was stupidly good dumb fun and I mean stupid but that's the point.

It took the piss out of the multiverse. Hell look at the video he has to watch;



That had me interested again but bleugh as to what came after. (That I watched, wasn't going to waste my time on all but neither did I with previous phases).

 

[bender]

Tank Girl is underappreciated.

 

[Ionian]

Tank Girl is underappreciated.

Don't think I ever watched the film but had the poster. Was crazy into iMage/Dark Horse stuff as a young teen. Just never got around to it.

Why is no one apart from MTV ever try a film version of 'The Maxx'? Seems perfect for low budget stuff. If McFarlene gets another chance with 'Spawn', it's a shame.

Then again I seem it being pretty dark with regards to dealing with child sexual abuse. Open to correction on this.

EDIT: Looking at the Wiki I remembered right. It's dark.

The Maxx - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[bender]

Don't think I ever watched the film but had the poster.

 

[Ionian]

Hahaha brilliant, added to the list. Cheers!

Gwen Steffani hasn't aged a day.

 

[fallingdove]

Not by me. I thought Endgame was incredible, and the biggest, most epic “tie everything together” ending of all time. The entire MCU has been nothing short of remarkable, and in a lot of ways it brings together all the decades of advancements in movie making and story telling via cinema, and perfectly exemplifies all of it in one masterpiece of a story arc (phase 1-3).

It’s really exciting to see phase 4 starting off so strong and I can’t wait to see what the rest of phase 4-6 has in store for us.

Agreed that Phases 1-3 were great (near perfect even - were it not for Captain Marvel, a majority of Agents of Shield episodes, and the fact that they didn’t lean in harder on the WW2 elements of CA1 or ACTUALLY carry Red Skull forward as a recurring villain).

But you’re out of your mind friend if you think that Phase 4 is off to a strong start. The fact that the core of the arc is multi-verse is boring, played out and makes every story told without consequence. Phase 4 is pretty deep at this point and the contributions worth anything were Spiderman, Shang Chi, Loki, and maybe half a Wandavision? Everything else has been B-tier netflix shit.

 

[Kev Kev]

Agreed that Phases 1-3 were great (near perfect even - were it not for Captain Marvel, a majority of Agents of Shield episodes, and the fact that they didn’t lean in harder on the WW2 elements of CA1 or ACTUALLY carry Red Skull forward as a recurring villain).

But you’re out of your mind friend if you think that Phase 4 is off to a strong start. The fact that the core of the arc is multi-verse is boring, played out and makes every story told without consequence. Phase 4 is pretty deep at this point and the contributions worth anything were Spiderman, Shang Chi, Loki, and maybe half a Wandavision? Everything else has been B-tier netflix shit.

I guess I’m out my mind then, because I fucking love it! It’s every bit as good as phase 1-3, just without the all stars like Cap and Tony. But it’ll be fun to see the new all stars rise up. Can’t wait for the rest.

 

[sol_bad]

Agreed that Phases 1-3 were great (near perfect even - were it not for Captain Marvel, a majority of Agents of Shield episodes, and the fact that they didn’t lean in harder on the WW2 elements of CA1 or ACTUALLY carry Red Skull forward as a recurring villain).

But you’re out of your mind friend if you think that Phase 4 is off to a strong start. The fact that the core of the arc is multi-verse is boring, played out and makes every story told without consequence. Phase 4 is pretty deep at this point and the contributions worth anything were Spiderman, Shang Chi, Loki, and maybe half a Wandavision? Everything else has been B-tier netflix shit.

Where has the multiverse been played out in Hollywood films?

 

[Ionian]

Where has the multiverse been played out in Hollywood films?

The Matrix?

 

[Hawking Radiation]

For me Infinity War was better

Hulk getting his ass kicked
Thanos snapping Loki's neck
The fight on Titan
Wakanda battle
Thor getting a new weapon

All these things were Wow moments for me. We don't really get all these impactful events in Infinity War. It's just a Back to the Future with superheroes with a big battle at the end.

 

[Ionian]

For me Infinity War was better

Hulk getting his ass kicked
Thanos snapping Loki's neck
The fight on Titan
Wakanda battle
Thor getting a new weapon

All these things were Wow moments for me. We don't really get all these impactful events in Infinity War. It's just a Back to the Future with superheroes with a big battle at the end.

You're mixing up films dude, your posts are Infinity War. Other is Endgame.

I typo all the time as well.

 

[fallingdove]

Where has the multiverse been played out in Hollywood films?

Non-Marvel Movies/TV shows from the last 15 or so years -

Justice League - Crisis on Two Earths
DC Crisis on Infinite Earths
Looper
Cloverfield Paradox
Vivarium
Fringe
Another World
The OA
Coherence
His Dark Materials
Source Code
Star Trek (2009)
Entangled
The Man in the High Castle
Dr. Who
The Flash
Midnight Gospel
Infinity Train
Terminator Genesis
Rick and Morty
Everything, Everywhere, All at Once

And then all the Marvel stuff…

Into the Spiderverse
Loki
What If…
Spiderman: Far From Home
Multiverse of Madness

and on and on and on. Boring.

 

[Ionian]

Non-Marvel Movies/TV shows from the last 15 or so years -

Justice League - Crisis on Two Earths
DC Crisis on Infinite Earths
Looper
Cloverfield Paradox
Vivarium
Fringe
Another World
The OA
Coherence
His Dark Materials
Source Code
Star Trek (2009)
Entangled
The Man in the High Castle
Dr. Who
The Flash
Midnight Gospel
Infinity Train
Terminator Genesis
Rick and Morty
Everything, Everywhere, All at Once

And then all the Marvel stuff…

Into the Spiderverse
Loki
What If…
Spiderman: Far From Home
Multiverse of Madness

and on and on and on. Boring.

In fairness, pick the decade prior when GoT would be number one.

I'm happy to see the last episodes of;

Better Call Saul

That's it, haha. The harvest used to be ripe every year.

They dropped the ball during a break.

So will watch threads about new more shows now than I have done the last last few years. It's always geek shit which I like, but I'm too old for 12-13 episodes with 3 good.

Just a waste of time.

Something new would be nice. The new GoT thing, tempted but will wait for opinions, don't care about spoilers as If it sounds good, i'd be just just interested why is it from posts and will check it out.

As for the LoTR stuff, no way. Half the people who liked the source material never even read his books, the dialogue in the books was atrocious yet people treat it as high art.

A werewolf riding a camel through forests and lakes but need to stop for dentists after smashing villages (and teeth). I'm in! (that idea is mine so TM before it gets stolen).

 

[Doom85]

I think you guys are confusing timelines and multiverse. Alternate timelines are caused by the use of time travel or such to create an alternate timeline or more. An alternate universe is just that, an alternate universe, and as such doesn’t have to follow the rules of the main universe we’re following. This is how Professor Xavier exists in the universe Strange visits despite seemingly not existing in the main MCU universe (and likely won’t be played by Stewart in them). Or how the two Peter Parkers of other universes don’t have Tom Holland’s appearance, as well as no Avengers and no threats from extraterrestrial forces aside from Venom in Maguire’s universe (and since Eddie leaves behind a piece, possibly the symbiote doesn’t exist in the main MCU universe either). Or why a universe Strange and America quickly hop through is animated. I mean, if that last example doesn’t explain the difference, I don’t know what will.

From my understanding, in Loki, Kang isolated the universe he was in from all the others. His mission was to eradicate any possible alternate timelines from emerging in his universe, but all the other universes he had no control over. Of course, then Sylvie fucked that all up.

Then Strange made things worse with his spell trying to help Peter which let other universes connect to ours. Then America showed up who could cross universes, as well as Wanda and Strange both using dreamwalking. And at the end of Strange 2, Clea shows up who can possibly cross universes as well. But none of their universe hopping had anything to do with timelines.

And the MCU is not the only fictional world to use both alternate timelines and alternate universes. In Dragonball Z, three timelines were known by the end of the Cell Saga due to Trunks’ use of the time travel machine his mother invented. In Dragonball Super, it’s revealed there’s 12 alternate universes with Goku’s universe being Universe 7. But this wasn’t due to time travel, rather these universes always existed. And time travel again does show up in Super, with Zamasu and such. And time travel would create more alternate timelines, though seemingly in Dragonball’s case creating a new timeline extends to all 12 universes (the other 11 probably won’t change much compared to whatever universe the alternate timeline was set off in), whereas again in the MCU alternate timelines only apply to the universe they’re in.

But yeah, like some examples people are listing. Terminator films utilize time travel only. Barring a serious narrative shift, there won’t be a Terminator film where dogs walk on two legs and talk in present day, or when people sing physical musical notes appear beside them. That sort of crazy shit happens in Spider-verse and Everything, Everywhere All at Once because with alternate universes there are no rules to how an alternate universe could be compared to our known universe. But with alternate timelines you generally have to follow the rules of the reality of the universe they are in.

 

[thismeinteil]

If anything, it was overrated when it came out. But, just like TFA, over time, people are starting to realize it wasn't as great as they thought it was, hype and nostalgia having blinded them temporarily.

Personally, I wouldn't have had time travel involved at all. And Adam Warlock should have been there, not Captain No Emotion. It would have made it closer to the comics.

Speaking of Captain Marvel, it's funny how they were building her as the next face of the MCU, yet completely abandoned that idea when people didn't like her. Who would of thought just plopping a new character into the MCU, whose comic failed several times, telling us she's the most powerful character EVAR, even though she wasn't in the comics, wouldn't have been excepted?

 

[Ionian]

If anything, it was overrated when it came out. But, just like TFA, over time, people are starting to realize it wasn't as great as they thought it was, hype and nostalgia having blinded them temporarily.

Personally, I wouldn't have had time travel involved at all. And Adam Warlock should have been there, not Captain No Emotion. It would have made it closer to the comics.

Speaking of Captain Marvel, it's funny how they were building her as the next face of the MCU, yet completely abandoned that idea when people didn't like her. Who would of thought just plopping a new character into the MCU, whose comic failed several times, telling us she's the most powerful character EVAR, even though she wasn't in the comics, wouldn't have been excepted?

She was truly bad. Not her fault (The actress)

I imagine they wanted a single film of the character but the ones they did were ... boring.

So now Ms. Marvel, fine, hope it's good.

Fact is people saw the earlier ones didn't care it about more.

Same happened to Superman films. Batman films and even X-Men films.

 

[sol_bad]

Non-Marvel Movies/TV shows from the last 15 or so years -

Justice League - Crisis on Two Earths
DC Crisis on Infinite Earths
Looper
Cloverfield Paradox
Vivarium
Fringe
Another World
The OA
Coherence
His Dark Materials
Source Code
Star Trek (2009)
Entangled
The Man in the High Castle
Dr. Who
The Flash
Midnight Gospel
Infinity Train
Terminator Genesis
Rick and Morty
Everything, Everywhere, All at Once

And then all the Marvel stuff…

Into the Spiderverse
Loki
What If…
Spiderman: Far From Home
Multiverse of Madness

and on and on and on. Boring.

I said Hollywood film.

Looper
Cloverfield Paradox
Vivarium
Coherence
Source Code
Star Trek (2009)
Terminator Genesis
Everything, Everywhere, All at Once

You came up with 8 films in 15 years. That's not very many and they all handle alternate realities in various different ways. They are all different genres of film as well.
Same with No Way Home and Multiverse of Madness, they both use the concept in entirely different ways.

I guess if you have personally watched every movie and TV show on your list I could see why you're over it.

Speaking of Captain Marvel, it's funny how they were building her as the next face of the MCU, yet completely abandoned that idea when people didn't like her. Who would of thought just plopping a new character into the MCU, whose comic failed several times, telling us she's the most powerful character EVAR, even though she wasn't in the comics, wouldn't have been excepted?

How do you know they've abandoned it? We've seen her at the end of Shang Chi with Wong and Bruce.

These were announced in 2019, the same year as Endgame.

Feige also confirmed that a sequel for Captain Marvel was being arranged that same day, it would have released in July of this year.

Captain Marvels main filming was finished by June/July in 2018. Additional photography was done in November 2018 (standard practice for Marvel Studios since Iron Man 1). Released in March 2019.
Black Widow started filming in May 2019.
Eternals started filming in July 2019.
Shang Chi started filming in February 2020.
Multiverse of Madness started filming in November 2020.
Quantomania started filming in February 2021.
Love and Thunder started filming in January 2021.
Wakanda Forever started filming in June 2021.
The Marvels started filming by August 2021.
GOTG3 started filming in November 2021.

There is a million different parts moving at Marvel Studios. You should do actual research instead of talking out of your butt hole.
You really expect them to release Captain Marvel 2 the very next year in 2020?

 

[cobaltorange]

The opposite, the previous movie is like 100x times better.

For the first 2 hours it was like looking to an high budget episode of legend of tomorrow...

And not sure who the fuck thought that doc hulk, fat thor or the boring shit with his mother was a good idea for such an "epic conclusion".

And then you have this fucking scene

And thanos being manhandled like a bitch by redhead and captain assless (at least he get rid of the second one after a while)

The highlight was the capt america part with thor hammer, shit was good.

In conclusion, not really a fan in the slightest.

Legends of Tomorrow was great though. Not sure why you're acting like it wasn't.

 

[cobaltorange]

Agreed that Phases 1-3 were great (near perfect even - were it not for Captain Marvel, a majority of Agents of Shield episodes, and the fact that they didn’t lean in harder on the WW2 elements of CA1 or ACTUALLY carry Red Skull forward as a recurring villain).

But you’re out of your mind friend if you think that Phase 4 is off to a strong start. The fact that the core of the arc is multi-verse is boring, played out and makes every story told without consequence. Phase 4 is pretty deep at this point and the contributions worth anything were Spiderman, Shang Chi, Loki, and maybe half a Wandavision? Everything else has been B-tier netflix shit.

I don't understand the "Phase 4 is garbage" sentiment. The other phases had plenty of bad/mediocre movies too imo. The Hulk, Iron Man 2 and 3, Thor 1 and 2 (thought Ragnarok was ok, but way better than the first two), Avengers 2, Antman 1 and 2, Cap Marvel.

Are people forgetting how much of a lukewarm reaction all of those movies got now? Now people are saying these were all great? People are quick to forget I guess how all the phases have been a mixed bag. Lol.

 

[Ionian]

I said Hollywood film.

Looper
Cloverfield Paradox
Vivarium
Coherence
Source Code
Star Trek (2009)
Terminator Genesis
Everything, Everywhere, All at Once

You came up with 8 films in 15 years. That's not very many and they all handle alternate realities in various different ways. They are all different genres of film as well.
Same with No Way Home and Multiverse of Madness, they both use the concept in entirely different ways.

I guess if you have personally watched every movie and TV show on your list I could see why you're over it.




How do you know they've abandoned it? We've seen her at the end of Shang Chi with Wong and Bruce.

These were announced in 2019, the same year as Endgame.

Feige also confirmed that a sequel for Captain Marvel was being arranged that same day, it would have released in July of this year.

Captain Marvels main filming was finished by June/July in 2018. Additional photography was done in November 2018 (standard practice for Marvel Studios since Iron Man 1). Released in March 2019.
Black Widow started filming in May 2019.
Eternals started filming in July 2019.
Shang Chi started filming in February 2020.
Multiverse of Madness started filming in November 2020.
Quantomania started filming in February 2021.
Love and Thunder started filming in January 2021.
Wakanda Forever started filming in June 2021.
The Marvels started filming by August 2021.
GOTG3 started filming in November 2021.

There is a million different parts moving at Marvel Studios. You should do actual research instead of talking out of your butt hole.
You really expect them to release Captain Marvel 2 the very next year in 2020?

Can you imagine being in that boardroom and either excusing yourself for a toilet break, or snorting into your coffee with laughter?

 

[Ionian]

I don't understand the "Phase 4 is garbage" sentiment. The other phases had plenty of bad/mediocre movies too imo. The Hulk, Iron Man 2 and 3, Thor 1 and 2 (thought Ragnarok was ok, but way better than the first two), Avengers 2, Antman 1 and 2, Cap Marvel.

Are people forgetting how much of a lukewarm reaction all of those movies got now? Now people are saying these were all great? People are quick to forget I guess how all the phases have been a mixed bag. Lol.

True, that's why some people don't watch everything, some do and the fight continues.

I don't like half but love others yet many agree otherwise.

The problem is, even if you hated the last film. You want the next to be great.

Hell, I don't care about about half of those IP's.

Still happy he's there though.

Now here becomes the problem, not our opinion but as we're getting older with kids etc. their NEW demographic. It ain't aimed at us.

I don't care but some people do. Look about the crying of the new MU. It's an evolution.

Endgame done for me, I loved the time with it but face facts it's a new market. Why I think the new characters etc.

They can pay for their OWN tickets now. That's the market.

That's the reality, like it or not. Feel old now?

 

[fallingdove]

I think you guys are confusing timelines and multiverse. Alternate timelines are caused by the use of time travel or such to create an alternate timeline or more. An alternate universe is just that, an alternate universe, and as such doesn’t have to follow the rules of the main universe we’re following. This is how Professor Xavier exists in the universe Strange visits despite seemingly not existing in the main MCU universe (and likely won’t be played by Stewart in them). Or how the two Peter Parkers of other universes don’t have Tom Holland’s appearance, as well as no Avengers and no threats from extraterrestrial forces aside from Venom in Maguire’s universe (and since Eddie leaves behind a piece, possibly the symbiote doesn’t exist in the main MCU universe either). Or why a universe Strange and America quickly hop through is animated. I mean, if that last example doesn’t explain the difference, I don’t know what will.

From my understanding, in Loki, Kang isolated the universe he was in from all the others. His mission was to eradicate any possible alternate timelines from emerging in his universe, but all the other universes he had no control over. Of course, then Sylvie fucked that all up.

Then Strange made things worse with his spell trying to help Peter which let other universes connect to ours. Then America showed up who could cross universes, as well as Wanda and Strange both using dreamwalking. And at the end of Strange 2, Clea shows up who can possibly cross universes as well. But none of their universe hopping had anything to do with timelines.

And the MCU is not the only fictional world to use both alternate timelines and alternate universes. In Dragonball Z, three timelines were known by the end of the Cell Saga due to Trunks’ use of the time travel machine his mother invented. In Dragonball Super, it’s revealed there’s 12 alternate universes with Goku’s universe being Universe 7. But this wasn’t due to time travel, rather these universes always existed. And time travel again does show up in Super, with Zamasu and such. And time travel would create more alternate timelines, though seemingly in Dragonball’s case creating a new timeline extends to all 12 universes (the other 11 probably won’t change much compared to whatever universe the alternate timeline was set off in), whereas again in the MCU alternate timelines only apply to the universe they’re in.

But yeah, like some examples people are listing. Terminator films utilize time travel only. Barring a serious narrative shift, there won’t be a Terminator film where dogs walk on two legs and talk in present day, or when people sing physical musical notes appear beside them. That sort of crazy shit happens in Spider-verse and Everything, Everywhere All at Once because with alternate universes there are no rules to how an alternate universe could be compared to our known universe. But with alternate timelines you generally have to follow the rules of the reality of the universe they are in.

It’s all the same thing. Multi-verse theory is based on the idea that there are alternate universes tied to the probability of outcomes. Alternate timelines are just one series of probable outcomes in the stories being told. In fact, Everything, Everywhere, All At Once is focused on timelines the same way that Terminator Genysis is. The weirder worlds are just structured around more obtuse deviations in the timeline. At the end of the day, the timeline/multiverse plot device is - moderate to extreme juxtaposition of worlds in which the hero is presented with an environment that is familiar but unfamiliar and is tasked with getting things back to normal. It was used in science fiction pulp from the 20s and 30s, The Twilight Zone, Planet of the Apes, Back to the Future II, and a million other pieces of media. The idea isn’t new or creative.

In the case of the latest phases of MCU and DCEU, I honestly believe that it has less to do with “We have a unique, interesting universe to build” and more with “We want to play around with gender and racial character shifts, and we don’t want to pay actors from the first phases of our universe to reprise until the end of time”.

 

[GymWolf]

Legends of Tomorrow was great though. Not sure why you're acting like it wasn't.

It was ok-ish at best but it was not the point, for an epic conclusion wasting 2 hours in time travel bullshittery was far from ideal.

 

[sol_bad]

It’s all the same thing. Multi-verse theory is based on the idea that there are alternate universes tied to the probability of outcomes. Alternate timelines are just one series of probable outcomes in the stories being told. In fact, Everything, Everywhere, All At Once is focused on timelines the same way that Terminator Genysis is. The weirder worlds are just structured around more obtuse deviations in the timeline. At the end of the day, the timeline/multiverse plot device is - moderate to extreme juxtaposition of worlds in which the hero is presented with an environment that is familiar but unfamiliar and is tasked with getting things back to normal. It was used in Astonishing Stories Pulp, The Twilight Zone, Planet of the Apes, Back to the Future II, and a million other pieces of media. The idea isn’t new or creative.

In the case of the latest phases of MCU and DCEU, I honestly believe that it has less to do with “We have a unique, interesting universe to build” and more with “We want to play around with gender and racial character shifts, and we don’t want to pay actors from the first phases of our universe to reprise until the end of time”.

Everything Everywhere All At Once has nothing to do with timelines.

RE actors, you are just theorising. Robert Downy Jr's contract was over with Avengers 2 and 3. Marvel Studios paid him a shit load of money to return for Civil War, Homecoming and Avengers 4. They aren't afraid to pay actors big money. Chris Hemsworth, Jeremy Renner and Mark Ruffalo are still in the MCU and Samuel L Jackson is returning in a staring role for a series. Fact is, Downey and Evans want to move on to other things in their career for now.

 

[Alter_Fridge]

Non-Marvel Movies/TV shows from the last 15 or so years -

Justice League - Crisis on Two Earths
DC Crisis on Infinite Earths
Looper
Cloverfield Paradox
Vivarium
Fringe
Another World
The OA
Coherence
His Dark Materials
Source Code
Star Trek (2009)
Entangled
The Man in the High Castle
Dr. Who
The Flash
Midnight Gospel
Infinity Train
Terminator Genesis
Rick and Morty
Everything, Everywhere, All at Once

And then all the Marvel stuff…

Into the Spiderverse
Loki
What If…
Spiderman: Far From Home
Multiverse of Madness

and on and on and on. Boring.

You forgot Predestination

 

[Ionian]

Everything Everywhere All At Once has nothing to do with timelines.

RE actors, you are just theorising. Robert Downy Jr's contract was over with Avengers 2 and 3. Marvel Studios paid him a shit load of money to return for Civil War, Homecoming and Avengers 4. They aren't afraid to pay actors big money. Chris Hemsworth, Jeremy Renner and Mark Ruffalo are still in the MCU and Samuel L Jackson is returning in a staring role for a series. Fact is, Downey and Evans want to move on to other things in their career for now.

More like they said thanks, was great but this is going on too long and took that cheque.

How are people not seeing this wasn't retired like Star Wars with a Darth Vader?

There is no new major villain.

Spoiler: a

The rumours of Dr.Doom, gimme a break. After Thanos?

Asses in seats.

Unspoiled spoiler, when this goes tits-up. X-Men in the credits.

 

[sol_bad]

More like they said thanks, was great but this is going on too long and took that cheque.

How are people not seeing this wasn't retired like Star Wars with a Darth Vader?

There is no new major villain.

Spoiler: a

The rumours of Dr.Doom, gimme a break. After Thanos?

Asses in seats.

Unspoiled spoiler, when this goes tits-up. X-Men in the credits.

Kang is the new major villain at this stage.

 

[Ionian]

Kang is the new major villain at this stage.

Possibly as hinted by Loki, BUT ...

 

[RaduN]

Weak movie in virtually every regard, especially coming from the Infinity War set-up, which was better in every possible way.

 

[sol_bad]

Possibly as hinted by Loki, BUT ...

Even Feige has said as much, one of the Avengers films is called the Kang Dynasty. And he'll be showing up in Ant-Man 3 as well. I'm sure he'll show up elsewhere as well.
Just with him being in Loki and Ant-Man 3, he will have already had much more of a presence than Thanos did in phase 1, 2 and the majority of phase 3.

 

[Ionian]

Even Feige has said as much, one of the Avengers films is called the Kang Dynasty. And he'll be showing up in Ant-Man 3 as well. I'm sure he'll show up elsewhere as well.
Just with him being in Loki and Ant-Man 3, he will have already had much more of a presence than Thanos did in phase 1, 2 and the majority of phase 3.

I've no inside info. But he might twerk as a super power, adjust your pads.

I mean sanitary pads, bitch it can be mean.

(Not who i meant might turn up)

 

[fallingdove]

Everything Everywhere All At Once has nothing to do with timelines.

RE actors, you are just theorising. Robert Downy Jr's contract was over with Avengers 2 and 3. Marvel Studios paid him a shit load of money to return for Civil War, Homecoming and Avengers 4. They aren't afraid to pay actors big money. Chris Hemsworth, Jeremy Renner and Mark Ruffalo are still in the MCU and Samuel L Jackson is returning in a staring role for a series. Fact is, Downey and Evans want to move on to other things in their career for now.

Lol - Everything, Everywhere, All at Once has nothing to do with timelines huh? Watch it again. You missed a few things.

And of course Disney are afraid of being held hostage by the financial requirements of these actors. I guarantee Disney were evaluating the brand impact of loosing Chris Evans and RDJ vs negotiating another contract and paying them even more money. Disney kept a few players from the first arc to mitigate brand risk but I wouldn’t be surprised if they only have a couple movies left in them as Disney off boards the rest of the arc 1 cast.

 

[sol_bad]

Lol - Everything, Everywhere, All at Once has nothing to do with timelines huh? Watch it again. You missed a few things.

And of course Disney are afraid of being held hostage by the financial requirements of these actors. I guarantee Disney were evaluating the brand impact of loosing Chris Evans and RDJ vs negotiating another contract and paying them even more money. Disney kept a few players from the first arc to mitigate brand risk but I wouldn’t be surprised if they only have a couple movies left in them as Disney off boards the rest of the arc 1 cast.

I have only seen Everything Everywhere Al At Once and I do know that there are flashback scenes where things happen differently to the prime reality, but that's just showing what happened in that reality from what I remember.

You are incorrect in your assumption about actors. Downey has been in 8 MCU movies and Evans in 7 MCU movies as leading men. They don't want to only do MCU movies for the rest of their lives. And Marvel Studios want to keep pushing for new things, new characters and new events, they don't want to be stuck with 2 leading men for the rest of the studios lifespan.

I have no doubt that Doctor Strange, Shang Chi, Captain Marvel and Ant-Man will be pushed to the forefront of the MCU and they'll be the heart and soul moving forward.

It's pricey but the Story of Marvel Studios is a wealth of knowledge and gives a real good look at how the studio worked throughout the Infinity Saga.

 

[Toons]

I used to think that as well but I'm staring phase 4 over starting with Falcon and Winter Soldier and I must say upon second viewing, this show is solid as hell. Phase 4 should have started here.

People are revising history to say the MCU was always hitting every time on all marks but they didn't become truly consistent til around 2014. 2013 had thor 2 and iron man 3.

Incredible hulk the second film barely scored a profit. Captain americas first movie was mixed to a lot of people though I always liked it.

The set up phases of MCU are never gonna be good as the payoff. We are in the setup phase, the second one, and those 2 avengers flicks will be the payoff.

 

[Ionian]

I have only seen Everything Everywhere Al At Once and I do know that there are flashback scenes where things happen differently to the prime reality, but that's just showing what happened in that reality from what I remember.

You are incorrect in your assumption about actors. Downey has been in 8 MCU movies and Evans in 7 MCU movies as leading men. They don't want to only do MCU movies for the rest of their lives. And Marvel Studios want to keep pushing for new things, new characters and new events, they don't want to be stuck with 2 leading men for the rest of the studios lifespan.

I have no doubt that Doctor Strange, Shang Chi, Captain Marvel and Ant-Man will be pushed to the forefront of the MCU and they'll be the heart and soul moving forward.

It's pricey but the Story of Marvel Studios is a wealth of knowledge and gives a real good look at how the studio worked throughout the Infinity Saga.

They got too expensive.

New Capt. America.

So many options for Iron People.

Why should they care right now with films that had a death scene.

 

[Ionian]

Even Feige has said as much, one of the Avengers films is called the Kang Dynasty. And he'll be showing up in Ant-Man 3 as well. I'm sure he'll show up elsewhere as well.
Just with him being in Loki and Ant-Man 3, he will have already had much more of a presence than Thanos did in phase 1, 2 and the majority of phase 3.

Boom then, there you go. A shadow one at best.

The final boss is meant to to be hinted at whatever a newer phase is.

 

[Ionian]

Even Feige has said as much, one of the Avengers films is called the Kang Dynasty. And he'll be showing up in Ant-Man 3 as well. I'm sure he'll show up elsewhere as well.
Just with him being in Loki and Ant-Man 3, he will have already had much more of a presence than Thanos did in phase 1, 2 and the majority of phase 3.

I watched most. Tired now. Kang in Loki was such a minor role, that I don't care.

I'll read opinions and watch.

No harm in that, this shit is boring.


And you're referring to Loki and he's in what?

Less then a minute as a dude on an office chair. Talking to a God! (Loki)

 

[Nobody_Important]

Nah its about where it needs to be. What the MCU did with Phase 1 & 2 has changed cinema for a generation.


I will say the irrational salt some people have towards it is a bit much though lol

 

[KrakenIPA]

I appreciate it. It's not getting 'better' with every re-watch, but I re-watch it.

 

[CYRU5_DA_GR34T]

I aprreciate that we got to see it in all its glory before phase 4 showed up and basically killed the MCU

 

[CYRU5_DA_GR34T]

When I saw end game in theater I was like the only person I knew who left disappointed. It's nice to see others coming around to the fact it is disappointing.

It's not bad per sae, but I don't think it is a good follow up to IW. Too much comedy. And I'll never get over what they did to Hulk. He deserved his moment against Thanos after the way IW started. It also never made sense to me how Thanos was so powerful in IW without the stones.

Its fine, and I actually have enjoyed it more in subsequent watches. But it's a weak ending to infinity saga in my opinion.

could've been worse, they could have ended it during phase 4, at which point I'm afraid to even picture such a thing.

 

[Sgt.Asher]

I still can't get over the wakanda scientist girl with toothpick arms walking with fist holsters. First time i saw it i didn't notice that it was a girl power scene

 

[HoodWinked]

I still can't get over the wakanda scientist girl with toothpick arms walking with fist holsters. First time i saw it i didn't notice that it was a girl power scene

She STICC

 

[Ionian]

I still can't get over the wakanda scientist girl with toothpick arms walking with fist holsters. First time i saw it i didn't notice that it was a girl power scene

I still can't get over been nerds about it, they watch anime.

It was fine. Silly sure, but fine.

 

[jufonuk]

Op what are you Disney exec? Papa needs a new condo.

 

[Slicker than your average]

It's boring garbage. I was interested in seeing where they'd take it after infinity war.

They resolved it with boring time travel shit.