Is Halo still relevant?
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FUNKNOWN iXi
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LMFAO
Relevant? Of course it is.
Is it still the king of LAN & Online Multiplayer Shooters? It's hard to say, really. I would like to think that the Halo series (specifically Halo: Combat Evolved & Halo 2) will be remembered for innovating console first person shooters. Both games had accomplished some great things that was not common place at the time of their respective releases, and that will not change.
Is it still the king of LAN & Online Multiplayer Shooters? It's hard to say, really. I would like to think that the Halo series (specifically Halo: Combat Evolved & Halo 2) will be remembered for innovating console first person shooters. Both games had accomplished some great things that was not common place at the time of their respective releases, and that will not change.
Fahzgoolin
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rel·e·vant -- closely connected or appropriate to the matter at hand.
Yes, it's closely connected or appropriate for the first person shooter genre, first person shooter fans, sci-fi genre, sci-fi fans, multiplayer offline/online etc. Why is this even a question?
Halo 4 sold exceptionally well, but the multiplayer was not received as well due to changes. 343 isn't daft and recognized this and is shifting their focus on a Halo 2/Halo 3 type multiplayer arena experience. You know...being relevant to their own franchise.
Counter Strike has hardly changed, yet is still "relevant." There is no aim-down-sights, no loadouts or perks and it's still "relevant."
Edit: Removed condescending remarks about thread. My apologies.
Yes, it's closely connected or appropriate for the first person shooter genre, first person shooter fans, sci-fi genre, sci-fi fans, multiplayer offline/online etc. Why is this even a question?
Halo 4 sold exceptionally well, but the multiplayer was not received as well due to changes. 343 isn't daft and recognized this and is shifting their focus on a Halo 2/Halo 3 type multiplayer arena experience. You know...being relevant to their own franchise.
Counter Strike has hardly changed, yet is still "relevant." There is no aim-down-sights, no loadouts or perks and it's still "relevant."
Edit: Removed condescending remarks about thread. My apologies.
ViewtifulJC
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Yeah, because words like Guardians are truly the pinnacle of innovation. Oh, and space capes hold the secrets to everything.
Guardians (1991)
What kind of arguments are these.
Halo has dudes with guns shooting aliens
you know what else had dudes with guns shooting aliens?
Contra (1987)
#staywoke
Rain City Gamer
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Great Shooters will always be relevant, especially with the pedigree of Halo. Remember Halo was the juggernaught and then COD game around. The most important game right now for Halo is COD:AW. If it gets COD back into the good graces of shooter fans after the subpar Ghosts than Halo 5 will be exactly where the previous Halos were (Only with less market share on Xbox One). Add to that the fact that 2015 is going to have a TON of great games so the thirst for games won't be what it was this year which could also affect Halo 5.
On the flip side, I think people are growing tired of the Modern shooter formula a little bit (Much like WW2 shooters 5 years ago) so that could help Halo 5. But some of that has been suppressed by Titanfall, Destiny and the shift of COD:AW.
Either way Halo will always be relevant but I don't think it will ever bee as big as it was for Halo 2 and Halo 3.
On the flip side, I think people are growing tired of the Modern shooter formula a little bit (Much like WW2 shooters 5 years ago) so that could help Halo 5. But some of that has been suppressed by Titanfall, Destiny and the shift of COD:AW.
Either way Halo will always be relevant but I don't think it will ever bee as big as it was for Halo 2 and Halo 3.
ArchedThunder
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*skims thread*
I don't know if I'd hold Counter Strike as an example of a relevant franchise. I mean does it even have any mindshare among mainstream audiences?
ArchedThunder
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It has a bigger active player base than Halo.
freakzilla3000
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Yes.....Yes it is.
Fahzgoolin
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Being "mainstream" has nothing to do with being relevant. But yes, Counter Strike still has a massive following and isn't going anywhere.
Yeah, because words like Guardians are truly the pinnacle of innovation. Oh, and space capes hold the secrets to everything.
Guardians (1991)
What kind of arguments are these.
Where are the capes? What is your point? They are copying this game instead of Destiny? I would be much more inclined to think they are copying a recent mega hit game like Destiny than some shareware from '91.
ArchedThunder
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Sci-Fi and cloth is a OLD trope, have you never even seen Star Wars?
You do realize, that the cape served only one purpose right? It was just there for the surprise effect...
Also it's called Guardians, because Halo 4-6 is about the Guardians of the Galaxy, the Forerunners.
FUNKNOWN iXi
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Guys...... Guys. I found 343's purpose for the cape and you may not like it:
They're bringing back Active Camo as a permanent ability in the form of a cape.
An invisible cloak bitches.
dragonelite
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Inbe4 the mantle
Yes I realize, it is a trope. A trope Halo is not known for and Destiny is. Surprise effect? What do you mean? I was certainly surprised that instead of using any of the iconic images or things they are known for in the diverse Halo universe that they would choose to overtly copy and subliminally attempt to tie themselves to their nearest competitor. It's not a move made out of confidence and originality.
I just thought of this after I typed that , but you certainly aren't trying to say they were trying to hide the fact it was Master Chief are you? We all knew it was a Halo trailer the moment it started. You are not going to tell me you didn't know that was Master Chief, right?
ArchedThunder
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That's exactly what he is saying, that was the point. At the beginning of the trailer is wasn't clear in any way that it was Halo.
lol
Yes, they actually were. Frankie confirmed that several times in a coupple of Halo threads. It was purely for the surprise effect, so that people didn't knew it was Chief.
I didn't knew that it was Chief, but I guessed it. I don't see how this is relevant to this thread, though?
many places
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We all know Halo 1, 2, and 3 were excellent games that Bungie knocked out of the park. But Reach and now Destiny? Nah, I don't think that same trust can be put into them if they were to ever come back to Halo. And as for Gears, Rod and a lot of ex-epic guys are at Black Tusk now and other guys from very strong studios work there. We haven't even seen what they are doing with it yet so it's unfair to say it won't be as good as 1 and 3 were(gears).
HighResTomato
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Right, it will be better since 343 actually give a damn.
Halo is absolutely still relevant, at least to long-time fans. And by Halo, I mean the m cheifs cumpilation. I'm super excited to play HCE on Xbox Live, at long last. I'm super excited to finally be revisiting H2.
Halo 5, on the other hand... Well, let's just say that 343 has a lot to prove after H4 being a complete disaster.
Halo 5, on the other hand... Well, let's just say that 343 has a lot to prove after H4 being a complete disaster.
Class, this is what you call an opinion. I liked it.
dragonelite
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I think given CBOAT rumor i think most people thought it was prince of persia.
-Desert
-Cape
Sounds like PoP
Twilight Gap
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Nope. There was absolutely no context at the beginning of the trailer, so Halo didn't cross my mind at all until I saw Cortana's chip and heard the Halo motif chime along with it. At that point, his cloak was still on.
Okay dragonborn, those PS exclusives are popular franchises too. Nevermind that sales are not the only determination of relevance.
Why does 343 make you feel Halo will lose relevance over the course of this generation? Because of Halo 4?
I knew that was Halo and who it was immediately. That was the least surprising thing I have ever seen. As I stated, I found the cape to be surprising only because it seemed to be referencing their competition. The fact he was wearing a cape was the ONLY surprising thing there was.
I love Bungie Halo and think 343 Halo is crap from what they have given us. They have had their hands in the franchise since '09 and have yet to give us anything that is even comparable to what Bungie put out. It's just my opinion, I'm used to it not being popular amongst Halo fans. That's life.
On Topic; My opinion is Halo's relevancy in all regards will continue to dwindle in the years to come much, much faster than many of you anticipate and it will never reach the heights of the Bungie era again.
I see it this way, Destiny is the evolution of Halo which is the evolution of Marathon. Hate away. It doesn't bother me.
Chronology
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Yo so I'm thinking about playing the Halo series, but is it worth it past the early Bungie installments? I hear that things went downhill after 3, which I guess is the reason for this thread.
Some people here are really out of touch.
Halo is one of the more relevant and mainstream franchises out there. The last game sold 4 million, and most people would know what Halo is due to the massive marketing behind the games. It also was one of the most influential shooters at the time. Since then, books, shows, movies, anime , graphic novels, and more have spawned from the series.
Even as someone who doesn't own an XBO, Halo is something that keeps me wanting to get one.
So, yes it is pretty relevant.
Halo is one of the more relevant and mainstream franchises out there. The last game sold 4 million, and most people would know what Halo is due to the massive marketing behind the games. It also was one of the most influential shooters at the time. Since then, books, shows, movies, anime , graphic novels, and more have spawned from the series.
Even as someone who doesn't own an XBO, Halo is something that keeps me wanting to get one.
So, yes it is pretty relevant.
It's a pretty decent shooter, and is definitely worth checking out if you have any of the 'Xbox's or PC. Reach was good but most didn't like the MP. Halo 4 was a pretty sub-par due to a pretty bad SP and MP.
Silphonica
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Peak yet the turning point as to when things started to go sour. At least in the competitive community Halo 3's reception was less than stellar and many of the old school players dropped from the circuit, and those who stayed, stayed through the problems and were very vocal at the time about things that worked and things that didn't.
In that fear of becoming irrelevant halo: reach totally flipped Halo on it's head and, this was pretty much the death of competitive Halo, the CoD youtube/MLG community and big prize tournaments is what halo practically built and now the presence has been dark for the longest time, H4 gave us hope, and as solid of a game as it was, it still didn't feel like Halo.
November will be very interesting for Halo, personally I'm just happy H2 classic is back, the atmospheric design of the MP maps were cool as fuck, ever since h3+ that atmosphere has been wiped out, for shinier bloomier things.
That's good for you, but I would say the numbers show that you're in the minority.
Twilight Gap
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this. the franchise as a whole is only growing and it wont be going away for a long time. but the popularity of the games depends on how they restore, expand and maintain the fanbase. tmcc and halo 5 beta are a big step in the right direction
Lord Malachite
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Still a relevant franchise. It has seemingly peaked and fallen off a bit, but still sells significantly and is in no danger of being irrelevant. It's unknown how much the upcoming MCC will have an impact on Xbox One sales at this time--although I think it will unquestionably have an extremely high attach rate. Next year's numbered Halo installment will likely provide a very significant boost to the Xbox One though. People still enjoy what Halo has to offer both in SP and MP and it is unquestionably one of the best guns Microsoft can bring to bear in the Console Warz.
Well, that's just your opinion.
Are you implying, that 343i had influence on Halo Reach, because they didn't. That was still Bungies game and Bungie made that pretty clear. 343i didn't do anything other than Halo Legends (anime series) and Halo Waypoint (Web and Xbox app) until 2011, where Bungie gave them control over Halo Reach and where they released Halo CE:A.
Assumption. Halo 4 sold pretty well (over 10 million units), but wasn't received well by most Halo fans. That's still a pretty good number for an exclusive title.
Opinion.
Yup.
I said it was all my opinion. What is the point of quoting it and putting "opinion"? Halo 4 is a game that sold a lot of copies. From an objective standpoint it was a disappointment in all regards except sales. Unless you count losing your multiplayer community overnight a rousing success?
Oh, I consider Reach to be the last decent Halo. I certainly don't think 343 did more than the map packs.
Bungie Halo > 343 Halo any way you slice it.
Opinion.
Oh please, this tired Theyre ganging up on me defense. You want to have a big mouth, but you dont want to accept the consequences of what comes out of it. Your arguments have flimsy to say the least and people poke holes in it, but you changed the subject to fit your purpose. A normal person would just accept that flawed logic was wrong, and move on.
Its been apparent that you dont care about the franchise anymore, and thats fine. The problem however is your persistent whishing that it becomes irrelevant. And you make sure that everybody knows it with colorful words like rotting corpse. People who want some specific franchise to die are the worst, because therere egotistical to want that.
And no, youre not some voice or reason that everybody is trying to drown out. Youre posts are tame compared to some of the criticisms given over at HaloGAF, but most of those are well thought out and well argued. You have to be harsh to sometimes tell the truth. Thinking that the collective there is some hivemind is foolish, because none are more critical about Halo and its future than they.
Anyway, the cape Halo trailer debuted last year; well before the hype machine started on Destiny. So your piggybacking theory falls in the water.
I wouldn't count remasters though. It can't be considered annualized in the same way CoD is for example.
How many people bought Halo 4?
343 have a real chance this gen to establish Halo as the number 1 FPS again. Bungie are more interested in ticking boxes then gameplay, and Cod is just the same old thing.
They 343 just need to make a back to basics arena shooter, and a open varied singleplayer. If they do, Halo will be more popular then ever.
They 343 just need to make a back to basics arena shooter, and a open varied singleplayer. If they do, Halo will be more popular then ever.
Halo is nowhere close to CS in terms of popularity.
No, the number suggest that fewer people were playing it at certain intervals after it was launched compared to previous releases in the series.
Metacritic is not at all scientific, but the game still received 734 positive reviews, 108 mixed, 201 negative. So ~70% of user reviews are favourable. Not quite a minority.
ProvenDeadly
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Does anyone actually think Gears will EVER be more financially or critically successful as Halo? Is that a serious opinion?
Shill.
I hope Halo regains it's stride. FPS need more variety. Getting really tired of pressing left trigger to aim down a gun to spray an enemy with bullets that kill them in less than a second.
The mobility of titanfall destiny and cod aw looks cool but it's still the same old gunplay. I want some precision focused, longer time to kill, no ADS goodness back.
BeforeU
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Highly doubt it.
CS is actually perfect comparison. Halo is console CS.
This thread
lmao
Bl@de
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I don't think pc gamers would even care (even if I would maybe play it). Halo isn't a big deal for esports. Cs:go is everything. And the singleplayer won't sell so much units to justifiy the costs of a port.
I dont like Halo as a franchise but come on. Surely 343 should be given more chances before you can make blanket statements like this.