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[PeteBull]

I still don't know what the issue was with Sweet Baby that everyone was talking about since I never really read the OP on it... I'll look it up later.

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Once u read up on that gaming industry cancer, make sure to at least get info from both sides, not only superwoke sites with agenda(pc gamer, kotaku etc) but read something like this too at least

 

[DeafTourette]

that

I'm not always up on news or what the controversy was. Especially when I'm coming into it late. I'm pretty sure someone told me about it but I've since forgotten because life has been life-ing pretty hard. I'll get caught up when I can. This week is hard tho.

 

[hemo memo]

Be careful, guys. Your comments might be used somewhere as gaming news.

 

[PeteBull]

I'm not always up on news or what the controversy was. Especially when I'm coming into it late. I'm pretty sure someone told me about it but I've since forgotten because life has been life-ing pretty hard. I'll get caught up when I can. This week is hard tho.

Sweet Baby isnt something that happened a week ago, its years of their "diligent work" to make sure gaming industry gets/stays poisoned with all the progressive agenda/politics/clown worldview w/e u call it.

Sweet Baby Inc – We Know Stories.

sweetbabyinc.com

Founded in 2018, Sweet Baby Inc. is a narrative development and consultation studio based in Montreal and working around the globe. Our mission is to tell better, more empathetic stories while diversifying and enriching the video games industry. We aim to make games more engaging, more fun, more meaningful, and more inclusive, for everyone.

 

[DeafTourette]

Sweet Baby isnt something that happened a week ago, its years of their "diligent work" to make sure gaming industry gets/stays poisoned with all the progressive agenda/politics/clown worldview w/e u call it.

Sweet Baby Inc – We Know Stories.

sweetbabyinc.com

Wait... I haven't played it but HOW was God of War Ragnarok "inclusive "?

And they don't WRITE the games ... The story, sure .. but not CODING... Maybe I'm being too literal

Most of those I've never heard of

 

[Gamerguy84]

My Favorite franchise in 96 was Tomb Raider. Lara was one of the first. She fits in that story. So as long as it's not forced I don't give an F what I play as.

 

[PeteBull]

Wait... I haven't played it but HOW was God of War Ragnarok "inclusive "?

And they don't WRITE the games ... The story, sure .. but not CODING... Maybe I'm being too literal

Most of those I've never heard of

My backlog is gigantic, i still got first GoW installed on my pc and plan to finish it, bro so i didnt play ragnarok yet, u gotta ask some1 else, sorry

 

[DeafTourette]

My backlog is gigantic, i still got first GoW installed on my pc and plan to finish it, bro so i didnt play ragnarok yet, u gotta ask some1 else, sorry

All good. I didn't get a PS4 or PS5... Maybe next year I can get a discounted PS5 and get some games I missed if I don't get the Switch 2. I hate missing out on games like Tekken and Virtua Fighter.

Anyone able to tell me about Ragnarok?

 

[RoboFu]

As a black 50 yr old man, as I said before, I love that there is more representation on screen for black people in general, not just black men. My female friends and female cousins play games. They consume much of the same content (or kinds of content) that I do. I loved DS9 for being more diverse than other shows in that universe. Seeing Ben Sisko and be the LEAD and Captain was LOVELY, IMO.

Growing up, there weren't many positive black roles on TV and in movies, let alone lead roles where they were actually the leads. Even if they were positive, they weren't important to the story or they fit the magical negro trope. It wasn't until The Cosby Show that we had something where the characters weren't living in poverty or in "the hood" ... A Different World, a spin off show, was a landmark in showing young black adults in college at an HBCU (a fictional one) ... Even one who was an older adult returning to college.

I also know I'm not alone in that feeling.

As far as gaming goes, inclusivity is important too. Until about 2010, very few, if any, games had black leads. That number has grown but it's still small. And that's ok. Like some have said in another thread, we need more games that aren't centered around medieval Europe... Black Sun: Wukong is a great example, even though it isn't from the US. And is probably one of the only ones like it released IN the US with the sales numbers it has.

As far as LGBTQ representation, I'm all for it. None of it bothers me. Latinos, Muslims (that aren't depicted as terrorists for the 18,846,639th time), Jews, Sikhs, Filipinos, Thai, etc ... Bring them all in! (Japanese, Chinese and Koreans are well represented already in many videogames)


I still don't know what the issue was with Sweet Baby that everyone was talking about since I never really read the OP on it... I'll look it up later.

Oh... you are one of THOSE people... figures..



Most OLD people are cranky and easily confused.




But seriously you are not wrong it's just you don't seem to understand that when they say " inclusive " they don't mean it the way you say it. Inclusive these days is just code for " forced agenda " People can easily tell when something is organic or forced.

In the movie world organic would be Encanto which everyone loved vs an unneeded gay kiss in light year for no reason. Which no one liked.

 

[DeafTourette]

Oh... you are one of THOSE people... figures..



Most OLD people are cranky and easily confused.




But seriously you are not wrong it's just you don't seem to understand that when they say " inclusive " they don't mean it the way you say it. Inclusive these days is just code for " forced agenda " People can easy tell when something is organic or forced.

In the movie world organic would be Encanto which everyone loved vs an unneeded gay kiss in light year for no reason. Which no one liked.

Hey! I'm not THAT old! Dagnabbit!

*Wonders where my glasses are*

 

[DeafTourette]

PeteBull and RoboFu ... Thanks for making me laugh. I really needed it today. I appreciate you guys.

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

Bro, they literally just came out with that Zelda game where you play as Zelda because certain people wouldn’t stop complaining about not being able to play as her. Perfect example of forced inclusion.

And you already forgot my reply to that in this very thread. Nintendo as per tradition, was making a Link game with Echo powers. But then the playtesters kept using the sword and shield to the exclusion of the new powers. So they took the sword away from the player and use Zelda being the character as the excuse. Nintendo does NOT build games around themes, they build game systems and then come up with the theme later. Hence Splatoon being a paint game and the Squid was added later.

Basically why inclusion is cancer. it causes bad game games to be made by making gameplay come last in decision making.

Disagree. I'm 100% against forced messaging/inclusion and even I thought it would be tight to get a Zelda game where you play as Zelda. It isn't forced inclusion and they didn't invent female link, Zelda is a long standing character and I'm glad she got her own game. To me inclusion isn't important, but having cool characters is and Zelda is a cool cat. Link will be back next game, he needed a break. Might as well say Elden Ring is woke because it has type a type b body.

Why Nintendo created that game shall forever remain a mystery, but I doubt, "people wouldn’t stop complaining" affects Nintendo, otherwise they would have implemented many more of my ideas long ago.

Don't put that evil on Nintendo.

You too. Here is the original info about how the game was made, and it was NOT because diversity.
From Nintendo

Aonuma: We were initially thinking that Link would be the protagonist. But when we focused on the gameplay using echoes and had Link copying and pasting things into the game field, the sword and shield got in the way. If you have a sword and a shield, you can just fight using those. There's no need to rely on the monsters' power, right?
Terada: So, we thought, "What if players could use only echoes at first in order to understand the gameplay, and then as the game progresses, they get the sword and shield?" But even then, we thought that once they got the sword and shield, they would stop using echoes.
Aonuma: That's just your typical Legend of Zelda game. What are we going to do? (Laughs)
Terada: Echoes plus a sword and shield... They just didn't work well together. There is a wide variety of echoes, so to get the most out of the gameplay, we decided to stick with echoes only.
Aonuma: If that's the case, it must be someone who doesn't fight with a sword and shield, right? Who in the series would be a good fit for these powers and bring their insight to them? Well, that would have to be Princess Zelda.

 

[realcool]

"There's a fly in my soup."

"So?"

"I don't like flies in my soup."

"Wow... one fly in your soup and suddenly you don't like the soup?"

"No... I mean... yeah, I preferred the soup more when there wasn't a fly in it."

"Well, you're gonna have to get over it because fly-less soups are not being made anymore."

"OK, I guess I'm not getting soup anymore."

"Really?! Just because of one fly?!"

"Yeah, I just don't like flies in my soup. I'm sorry."

"You're a bad person for not liking the fly in the soup."

"Wait... why does that make me a bad person?"

"Because I said so."

"Oh... OK."

 

[Darkmakaimura]

I hate myself so I wouldn't want play a character like myself.

Yuck.

 

[ConkerTheSquirrel.]

"There's a fly in my soup."

"So?"

"I don't like flies in my soup."

"Wow... one fly in your soup and suddenly you don't like the soup?"

"No... I mean... yeah, I preferred the soup more when there wasn't a fly in it."

"Well, you're gonna have to get over it because fly-less soups are not being made anymore."

"OK, I guess I'm not getting soup anymore."

"Really?! Just because of one fly?!"

"Yeah, I just don't like flies in my soup. I'm sorry."

"You're a bad person for not liking the fly in the soup."

"Wait... why does that make me a bad person?"

"Because I said so."

"Oh... OK."

"That's a false equivalence! How dare you compare my tRuTh to a common house fly?! You're the reason that trans folk are dying by the day! TRANSPHOBE!"

Spoiler: ...

/s

 

[realcool]

"That's a false equivalence! How dare you compare my tRuTh to a common house fly?! You're the reason that trans folk are dying by the day! TRANSPHOBE!"

Spoiler: ...

/s

The beauty of the analogy is that the fly is a metaphor for anything one does not prefer and the soup can be a metaphor for entertainment. We all have preferences. We all seek certain types of entertainment and avoid others. We all do this for any reason. It's normal.

 

[deriks]

- Woke people that play just phone games asks if woke shit matters
NeoGAF: no

 

[Humdinger]

Better Bachelor featured this GAF poll (along with other data) in a recent video.

 

[mpgeist]

I really want people to make their own new thing and have it be whatever they want it to be. For me the line is drawn when you take existing canon or history and twist it into something it never was.

 

[Big Baller]

 

[Roxkis_ii]

Inclusivity is good.
Pandering is bad.

 

[pasterpl]

It is not important for me, but I don’t care about any woke stuff in games I play. Never bothered me, for me it doesn’t matter if game is inclusive or not. It is not a thing that would make buy or not buy a game, I simply doesn't care.