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[Resilient]

So you do t believe in some level of privacy on a public forum?

We can all agree its legal to do but most of the time it's a gotcha thing that makes you morally weak.

No.............because it's a public forum.

Asking otherwise is trying to make the entire websites existence cater to your needs. Lol I'm not talking about the legality of it, wtf. It's not morally weak. Morally weak is grabbing them from a PRIVATE forum - all posts here are out in broad daylight.

 

[youngplaya21]

I lurk a few of the Community threads, but never post due to them all seeming like exclusive clubs or something. I feel that my noob post would simply go unnoticed while everyone in the thread continue talking to each other like it's the cool table in high school or something (I remember posting in a few back in the day introducing myself, but got straight ignored so I said fuck it)

 

[TheKaeptain]

Everyone is welcome in Dennis-GAF.

 

[A Link to the Past]

well since nobody but me pays for my internet I'm going to use it as I see fit (within the rules of decency and the law of course) telling me that I can't post this or retweet that is like trying to prevent me from fully utilizing what I pay for.

Firstly, you do not pay for NeoGAF or Twitter. If you retweet someone's content despite being told not to, then you're just engaging in harassment. It's not really a big deal if you retweet someone only to be asked to not, but if you do it simply because "it's the Internet bb, if you don't like it go home" is simply being disrespectful. No one can force you to behave appropriately, but you're doing yourself no favours by doubling down when asked to stop.

And let me repeat this

No one is trying to force you to do anything. People are trying to ask people to not do something. Don't treat it as an affront to your free speech rights that someone doesn't want you to RT them. Respect their boundaries.

A good analogy would be joining a conversation between two strangers in a public park. Just because it's a public park doesn't mean that it's okay to invade people's personal space, why should it be okay to invade their personal space online?

I didn't say they should be banned and I didn't bring up the TOS.

I don't think it can be labelled indecent in any case because it's a public forum. If you don't want a certain part of the forum, or certain posters to read it, don't post it. Don't cry foul when someone brings it up either.

Again, it's a matter of respect. You can choose to ignore a request from someone not to quote them, but it wouldn't be someone trying to restrict basic speech rights, and it wouldn't really serve you well to refuse beyond doubling down on your principles.

 

[Resilient]

It's not an affront to anything, but it's definitely pandering to individual needs for no reason other than they want you to. I'm not going to use Twitter and tell people to my retweet me. Is that not the entire purpose of the website? If I grab another users post, words they've said, I'm not harassing them. If you think that's harassment, that is bizarre. It's coddling to the extreme.

 

[A Link to the Past]

It's not an affront to anything, but it's definitely pandering to individual needs for no reason other than they want you to. I'm not going to use Twitter and tell people to my retweet me. Is that not the entire purpose of the website? If I grab another users post, words they've said, I'm not harassing them. If you think that's harassment, that is bizarre. It's coddling to the extreme.

It's not coddling to say "yo if you're asked to leave them alone you should probably leave them alone." A person shouldn't have to choose between people who think that being on the Internet means that they don't have to respect boundaries and going private so that they can't be retweeted by anyone. A single user's inability to retweet a person against their wishes is less valuable than a single user's ability to communicate with people freely.

 

[TheSadRanger]

well since nobody but me pays for my internet I'm going to use it as I see fit (within the rules of decency and the law of course) telling me that I can't post this or retweet that is like trying to prevent me from fully utilizing what I pay for.



our peers are members of NeoGAF who are free to post in any thread. this is why we had the NBA thread locked (rightfully so too) when a group of members gets too insular and doesn't accept newcomers it's bad for the whole forum.

NeoGAF is the community, everything else are threads started by the members to talk about any topic. anyone at any point is free to post in any topic at any point unless they are fragrantly breaking the TOS and at that point let a moderator handle it. I can't believe there are members who think community threads are it's own separate forums.

Eh, lets be honest, there are quite a few communities (including sports) on gaf that are pretty insular and cliquish. It is what it is, I'm sure sometimes it's intentional and sometimes it's not.

Other posters have already pointed out about being ignored/drowned out. There's quite a few exceptional communities though which seem really open to everyone like Lego and Comic gaf. I like to clown on marvel gaf sometimes but comic gaf is good people.

 

[Resilient]

It's not coddling to say "yo if you're asked to leave them alone you should probably leave them alone." A person shouldn't have to choose between people who think that being on the Internet means that they don't have to respect boundaries and going private so that they can't be retweeted by anyone. A single user's inability to retweet a person against their wishes is less valuable than a single user's ability to communicate with people freely.

So if I pull a post from Community that a user made and repost it in another thread, and they say I'm harassing them, then that is harassment?

This isn't a straw man - I want to know I'm understanding this right, cause it sounds excessive.

 

[Brakke]

what if there was a subforum where lurkers couldn't read it?

I'm curious how much money Evilore makes on lurkers (who get more ads per page) vs members (who presumably spend more time on GAF more often and therefore see more pages).

If secret forum encouraged more ~engagement~ from whales (lol) that'd be a thing to do. If secret forum drew traffic from 1-for-1 from public forum then it'd be Bad for Evilore since it'd mean less for lurkers to #engage with but no more engagement from members.

 

[The Technomancer]

So if I pull a post from Community that a user made and repost it in another thread, and they say I'm harassing them, then that is harassment?

This isn't a straw man - I want to know I'm understanding this right, cause it sounds excessive.

I might not classify it as "harassment" but depending on context yeah it can be pretty not-ok. The example in the OP is actually really good in that regard: yes GirlGAF is "public" and anyone can pull up any statements made in there if they'd like, but there's an unspoken general attitude of respect that discourages dipping your fingers into someone else's community discussion just to pull out "examples" to make your own point. I've been guilty of this in the past as well

 

[A Link to the Past]

So if I pull a post from Community that a user made and repost it in another thread, and they say I'm harassing them, then that is harassment?

This isn't a straw man - I want to know I'm understanding this right, cause it sounds excessive.

No. What? I clearly, and let me repeat this again, said that can be harassment if you disregard that you're doing something that bothers them and continue to do it. That's obviously not true in all cases, but in this specific case, what you're doing deals directly with them. What would be the point of continuing to do what they asked you not to do beyond spite?

 

[double jump]

no its cool imo but please feel free to post something every once in a while.
I follow gaf hop but rarely post in there myself.

I personally would love to see more people pop in and say 'hi' in bct specifically.

 

[hipbabboom]

Its a free internet OP but you should always clear your browser history after a visit to AnimeGAF or at least use TOR.

 

[ampere]

You don't need anyone's permission to follow a community thread, or to post in it. But the post referred to in the OP was, in context, pretty damn creepy. Even if it hadn't been, I'd generally discourage people from cross-posting into and out of community threads in order to call people out (or post history diving for that matter). Sure sometimes you get high fives and everyone's like "oh damn pwned" or whatever the kids are saying these days. But most of the time, even when that does happen, it's just a useless disruption.

Cyan is it creepy if I archive all your posts to pwn noobs later with amazing quotes?

Dude's are welcome to post in girl gaf. They do all the time.

Just keep in mind they will get ignored if they:

Ask for relationship advice
Creep on girl gaffers

Wait, all girls don't think alike?? omg

Yeah I could see how that would be pretty annoying.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Other posters have already pointed out about being ignored/drowned out. There's quite a few exceptional communities though which seem really open to everyone like Lego and Comic gaf. I like to clown on marvel gaf sometimes but comic gaf is good people.

Thank you for the kind words about LEGO GAF. I like to think we are welcoming there. I do wonder how many lurkers there are sometimes.

And yes, comic GAF is good people too, but damn does it move fast. But they are always helpful and kind.

 

[TheSadRanger]

It's not coddling to say "yo if you're asked to leave them alone you should probably leave them alone." A person shouldn't have to choose between people who think that being on the Internet means that they don't have to respect boundaries and going private so that they can't be retweeted by anyone. A single user's inability to retweet a person against their wishes is less valuable than a single user's ability to communicate with people freely.

I hate to burst your bubble but there's a whole nother forum full of gaf members that has a thread dedicated to pulling posts and shitting on them, and it's not the only forum either. I'm not talking about "shit neogaf says,reddit, or 4chan" either.

No one should really consider what they say on here sacred.

 

[A Link to the Past]

I hate to burst your bubble but there's a whole nother forum full of gaf members that has a thread dedicated to pulling posts and shitting on them, and it's not the only forum either. I'm not talking about "shit neogaf says,reddit, or 4chan" either.

No one should really consider what they say on here sacred.

Okay? That's not at all relevant to the idea of "when you're asked to not do something, please just don't do it." That you CAN do it doesn't necessarily mean you should, and arguing "but free speech" or whatever is silly.

 

[Cyan]

Cyan is it creepy if I archive all your posts to pwn noobs later with amazing quotes?

:/

 

[Resilient]

Okay? That's not at all relevant to the idea of "when you're asked to not do something, please just don't do it." That you CAN do it doesn't necessarily mean you should, and arguing "but free speech" or whatever is silly.

Why? If I want people to stop saying cunt because I find it offensive on this forum, should I call it harassment when people keep doing it?

It's coding man, that's what's silly. You're advocating controlling what people post just cause you seem it offensive when it realty really isn't harassment at all.

 

[KHlover]

Okay? That's not at all relevant to the idea of "when you're asked to not do something, please just don't do it." That you CAN do it doesn't necessarily mean you should, and arguing "but free speech" or whatever is silly.

I think what he wanted to express was more along the lines of "It's nice to expect GAF members to a certain etiquette, but before you post remember yourself that gaffers aren't the only ones reading your posts and some of the lurkers absolutely do crosspost with a malicious intent"

 

[TheSadRanger]

Okay? That's not at all relevant to the idea of "when you're asked to not do something, please just don't do it." That you CAN do it doesn't necessarily mean you should, and arguing "but free speech" or whatever is silly.

The specifics about this "re-tweeting" a post or whatever are vague, even if they've been asked not to. Which is why I brought up that ppl pull posts from here on other places and shit on said post/poster, I'm sure if that person were asked before hand they would say no.

That's entirely why I said people shouldn't take anything they say on here sacred.

 

[Suite Pee]

I lurked NFL-GAF for years until I finally posted. I often check the BCT when diet racism takes over a popular thread in the OT.

Anyone is welcome to post anywhere, but you'll be ignored or ostracized if you don't attempt to assimilate into that subculture's style of discourse. So, lurk a bit, first.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Why? If I want people to stop saying cunt because I find it offensive on this forum, should I call it harassment when people keep doing it?

It's coding man, that's what's silly. You're advocating controlling what people post just cause you seem it offensive when it realty really isn't harassment at all.

"Controlling"

You could do an awesome job explaining wherein lies the control implied in anything I've said. I just have no idea where you're pulling all these claims of people forcing you to do things. No one's forcing you to wash your hands, but it doesn't mean that it's not a good idea to do it anyway.

Also, a more appropriate analogy would be if you asked people to stop using the word "cunt" and they continued to use the word specifically to refer to you.

I think what he wanted to express was more along the lines of "It's nice to expect GAF members to a certain etiquette, but before you post remember yourself that gaffers aren't the only ones reading your posts and some of the lurkers absolutely do crosspost with a malicious intent"

Me issue is not with people doing it, my issue is with people who do it, are told by the people who made the posts that they'd like it if they didn't do it, and disregard their concern.

 

[Sir Blaming]

Well, you shouldn't be posting on any thread if you have no idea what is the culture inside.
Two, if you are quoting a post from another thread with no reason to start a discussion, then you are not going to be liked.
Three, it's NeoGAF. Just follow whatever thread you think interest you. It's a goddamn public forum.

 

[TheSadRanger]

Well, you shouldn't be posting on any thread if you have no idea what is the culture inside.
Two, if you are quoting a post from another thread with no reason to start a discussion, then you are not going to be liked.
Three, it's NeoGAF. Just follow whatever thread you think interest you. It's a goddamn public forum.

For some posters what I bolded isn't really an option in some communities that are often filled with inside jokes and hardly nothing to do with the topic they represent.

I'm not saying it's bad, I get it, it's human nature for people to be cliquish. But lets be real. Some communities are nothing more than cliques filled with people talking about whatever they want to talk about.

 

[Defuser]

Its a free internet OP but you should always clear your browser history after a visit to AnimeGAF or at least use TOR.

I find that offensive you would label AnimeGAF like that. Duckroll and Dresden post and moderate in there stictly ensuring no dumbshit or NSFW is being posted in Animegaf.

 

[hipbabboom]

I find that offensive you would label AnimeGAF like that. Duckroll and Dresden post and moderate in there stictly ensuring no dumbshit or NSFW is being posted in Animegaf.

Please understand. I said what you read on the assumption that people from animeGAF weren't being creepers and reading in on non-anime threads. OP was right! You've shown yourself to be uncouth. I'm offended and i demand an apology!

 

[Defuser]

Please understand. I said what you read on the assumption that people from animeGAF weren't being creepers and reading in on non-anime threads. OP was right! You've shown yourself to be uncouth. I'm offended and i demand an apology!

edit: Thats what I get for skimming through pages.

 

[komplanen]

I often read TransGAF because I like their vibes. Sometimes I check out other communities I don't belong into to see what they are about, like MLP or the BlackGAF etc.

 

[GamerJM]

I do this all the time, even for gaming communities. For me the problem is that I have a compulsion to read every single post in every topic I read, so I'm usually always behind in community threads. I read like, every dang post in those Smash 4 hype topics and hardly contributed.

 

[Violet_0]

it's not like as if anyone can stop me

 

[Lunar15]

I don't think it's a bad thing to learn the perspectives of people that are different from yourself. I think it's helped me a lot in the past few years. I don't really post in those threads, but that's mainly because I have nothing to add.

General rule applies, as always: Don't be a dick.

 

[User 73706]

People are usually pretty good about letting them into their communities. It's when you start pulling bullshit like sea-lioning into the black culture thread following some ignant-ass point you tried to make in off-topic that you'll find yourself in hot water.

 

[Coffee Dog]

People are usually pretty good about letting them into their communities. It's when you start pulling bullshit like sea-lioning into the black culture thread following some ignant-ass point you tried to make in off-topic that you'll find yourself in hot water.

Isn't the problem with the person who decided to talk shit on said sea lions in the community thread and bring a derail there instead of addressing it in the appropriate thread?

 

[Qasiel]

Drunk GAF will always be my favourite community. I think I've only ever actually been drunk once or twice when posting but there are some good people in there and they've got me through more night shifts than I'd care to admit.

 

[DoktorEvil]

I lurk NHL GAF because I like Hockey but don't know enough to really contribute.

I am a part of 2 communities: One on Gaming Side, another on OT.

Generally, there are some inside jokes relevant to those communities, but for the most part accept newcomers with open arms.

 

[Zombine]

ComicGAF is super welcoming, it's just kind of lame when lurkers pop in and try to shit on the things we enjoy. Sometimes I get a kick out of the lurkers who post and never come back, like the dude who asked for Hentai recommendations and got banned like a day later.

 

[Kinyou]

I don't really see a problem with it. I sometimes lurk the anime thread to see which of the current ones might be worthwhile.

About people quoting your posts in another thread; If you feel uncomfortable about a post being in the open like that, you probably shouldn't post it at all. The privacy in a community thread is just an illusion.

 

[User 73706]

Isn't the problem with the person who decided to talk shit on said sea lions in the community thread and bring a derail there instead of addressing it in the appropriate thread?

Not if the sea lion was trying to pull one of the usual "can't see color" points or some such nonsense. Addressing it in the relevant thread and in the community thread generally go hand in hand.

 

[PeskyToaster]

ComicGAF is super welcoming, it's just kind of lame when lurkers pop in and try to shit on the things we enjoy. Sometimes I get a kick out of the lurkers who post and never come back, like the dude who asked for Hentai recommendations and got banned like a day later.

I don't go into Comic GAF but I appreciate your guys' recommendation threads as I begin my initial forays into different comic book things.

Spoiler

Should I start from issue one or...??

 

[Kyuur]

Thread cross-posting feels scummy in general.

Community threads are meant to be welcome to anyone and everyone, so read and post where you want. Iirc threads not being inclusive of 'non-members' is grounds for termination of that thread.

 

[TwEE-N-Toast]

It's an open forum, if you want to give away your dark secrets maybe save them for a pm.

Cross posting is done all the time. There's the old "look at this guys history" thing people do when somebody has a controversial opinion. Even without quoting something specific you're sending eyes into community threads if that person posted there.

People are usually pretty good about letting them into their communities. It's when you start pulling bullshit like sea-lioning into the black culture thread following some ignant-ass point you tried to make in off-topic that you'll find yourself in hot water.

Is this an allegory for racism? Is that gentleman Bernie Sanders?

 

[cashman]

I hate to burst your bubble but there's a whole nother forum full of gaf members that has a thread dedicated to pulling posts and shitting on them, and it's not the only forum either. I'm not talking about "shit neogaf says,reddit, or 4chan" either.

No one should really consider what they say on here sacred.

A community solely made to follow Neogaf? Sounds like a boring place.

 

[HyperCubed4]

what if there was a subforum where lurkers couldn't read it?

Literally the best idea I've heard about changing GAF. And I've read like, 2 ideas.

Spoiler

Really though, I love this idea.

 

[Coffee Dog]

Not if the sea lion was trying to pull one of the usual "can't see color" points or some such nonsense. Addressing it in the relevant thread and in the community thread generally go hand in hand.

Well yeah, that's my point. Why is it that way? It's mockery behind the other person's back, or since it's an open forum, the perception of being behind the other person's back. It's a dick move.

 

[Tarkus]

I've had a few people message me on PSN because they saw my posts in the Souls communities and I've never seen them post. They usually want to co-op or PvP. Very cool indeed.

 

[Thelonelykoopa]

I lurk many community threads as it helps me better understand different sub-cultures which I don't normally associate my self with and can bring new interest.

 

[Cagey]

Well yeah, that's my point. Why is it that way? It's mockery behind the other person's back, or since it's an open forum, the perception of being behind the other person's back. It's a dick move.

Why is it that way? Because of the immature need to feel better than those the person is mocking since the target so clearly deserves it, rather than simply owning ones childish behavior for what it truly is. Lying to oneself to maintain the perception of a high ground while standing at sea level.

 

[Murder. She Wrote]

I occasionally lurk animegaf and lgbtqgaf but I very rarely post. I feel like if I want to be part of that community I'd have to post a lot more and me not that kind of orc. Also my sex life is nonexistent and I don't watch much animu :c

 

[jerry113]

I used to lurk the gafgirl thread in an attempt to gain a keen insight into female operations but I started feeling creepy so I left.

edit: i didnt want to be first on new page